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(The Daily Beast)   The lawyer for the ex-cop who shot and killed a man in a Florida movie theater may use the Stand Your Ground defense because the victim "threw an unknown object" at the defendant. That "object?" It was likely popcorn   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 1007
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2014-01-15 01:32:22 PM

The Larch: Trivia Jockey: The Larch: So, I guess what I'm trying to say is this: don't kill people, and don't text in a movie theater.

OK, fine.  But what bothers me is you don't seem to be admitting there's a slight imbalance between the two.

And what bothers me is that I seem to be in a twilight zone episode full of people who are saying that it's OK to text in a theater.  Seriously, read the thread... there are people here saying it was OK because it was the previews, or because it doesn't usually bother too many people, and all sorts of other excuses for terrible behavior.  It's crazy world.


I think I'd say it's not cool to text in a theater and it's very bad to shoot someone regardless of the venue.
 
2014-01-15 01:32:25 PM

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

 
2014-01-15 01:32:28 PM
Let's all go to the LOB-bee,
Let's all go to the LOB-bee,
Let's all go to the LOB-bee,
and grab ourselves a gun!
 
2014-01-15 01:32:30 PM

farking_texan: Jim from Saint Paul:
I know what you present on here bub. Maybe you're different in the real world.
You come off as an awful person with little to no regard for human life if that human life happens to do something you find annoying. It's all you present on here.

You didn't score high on reading comprehension tests, did you "bub"?


2/10. Your works earlier in the thread were much more convincing.
 
2014-01-15 01:33:04 PM

The Larch: Trivia Jockey: The Larch: So, I guess what I'm trying to say is this: don't kill people, and don't text in a movie theater.

OK, fine.  But what bothers me is you don't seem to be admitting there's a slight imbalance between the two.

And what bothers me is that I seem to be in a twilight zone episode full of people who are saying that it's OK to text in a theater.  Seriously, read the thread... there are people here saying it was OK because it was the previews, or because it doesn't usually bother too many people, and all sorts of other excuses for terrible behavior.  It's crazy world.


It isn't OK to be a jerk, but you don't get to kill people for being jerks.
 
2014-01-15 01:33:11 PM

Trivia Jockey: Farker Soze: Trivia Jockey: Farker Soze: Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.
Two douchebags are now permanently removed from society.  It's a process.

You're a terrible person.

What?  One asshole movie texter and one hothead overreacting idiot are now gone from society, slightly elevating the average politeness of civilization.  Don't hate me because I'm telling it like it is.


You're such a massive dick that if you took Viagra, you'd get taller.


At least I don't text in theaters.  I'm going to assume you do, being all defensive of it.
 
2014-01-15 01:33:44 PM
I think the key question here is: Was the 40yo that got killed being respectful to his elders?
 
2014-01-15 01:34:00 PM

natas6.0: normally I would stand with the cop, assuming he would have the experience and good judgement to carry a weapon after years of experience.
Normally I wouldn't have a problem bringing a weapon into a movie theater after colorado
but THIS farking guy...


See, I would assume that cops have pretty poor judgement, are mad on their own power and are used to having their poor calls covered up and supported by other cops. But maybe I'm just super cynical after that kid who probably had some kind of mental illness got repeatedly tazed and shot on a Toronto streetcar. At least one of the cops got a murder charge, so I guess the system is not entirely corrupt.
 
2014-01-15 01:34:19 PM

The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.


Yeah I'm sure the guy angry enough to murder someone wasn't hostile towards the guy at all despite the report of another patron being harassed by the shooter on her way to the bathroom a week prior.
 
2014-01-15 01:34:19 PM

deanis: The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.


Texting, teasing, and throwing popcorn!? . Seriously, if things this small in magnitude cause you fits of rage: seek help. I can't wait until the next time someone does something I don't necessarily like (the next time someone farts next to me on a plane, BOOM. Shows over cupcake).


I can't find any reference to any article with the laughing or teasing in it. The police report itself doesn't have it. The police have confirmed he was texting the daycare provider and he threw the popcorn bag in addition to the argument.
 
2014-01-15 01:34:19 PM

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


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2014-01-15 01:35:04 PM

The Larch: And what bothers me is that I seem to be in a twilight zone episode full of people who are saying that it's OK to text in a theater.


The way I read the thread, these people are saying texting in a theater isn't all that bad when compared to being shot for it.

Yes, I agree with you that if someone is texting during the film (I don't give a sh*t about previews), they're horribly rude and selfish.  But the context for this thread is whether you get to shoot someone for that.  So in that context, no, I don't think texting was all that big of a deal.
 
2014-01-15 01:36:04 PM

Dimensio: durbnpoisn: As I said before, which everyone seems to have missed...

His lawyer will make a case, no matter how absurd it may seem, just to ensure that he gets a fair trial.
This is the only way that the prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty.

I have been informed, by sincere individuals, that a defense attorney invoking a legal justification as a defense is itself demonstration of a need to repeal that legal justification, regardless of whether the defense is successful.


I agree.  But in a state where that legal justification exists, the defense has to at least give it a try.
They have to try every angle, starting at the beginning.  Once that argument is deemed untrue or useless, like, the judge rules that a bag of popcorn hardly constitutes a deadly attack requiring deadly self-defense, it will be time to move on to the next thing.
Once all avenues are used up, it may come to a plea of guilty and request for leniency.
 
2014-01-15 01:36:42 PM

Farker Soze: At least I don't text in theaters. I'm going to assume you do, being all defensive of it.


I don't.  But I'm still capable of being sympathetic with someone who did and was shot to death for it.
 
2014-01-15 01:36:44 PM
"Hey friend, mind not texting, I'm trying to enjoy my movie experience here with the wife"
"Sorry about that, let me go to the lobby"
END OF STORY !
 
2014-01-15 01:36:54 PM

The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.


Where in the hell are you getting your misinformation.  It clearly stated he was texting during previews.  During previews a lot of times the lights are still on in the theater.


At no point did the article say that the manager or usher came and spoke to the texter,  hence why the texter is quoted as saying "What did you go and tell on me when?" When the old man came back, witnesses stated, alone and agitated, most likely because no one is going to stop a texter during previews.


Reading comprehension is a skill taught in elementary school perhaps you need to go back.
 
2014-01-15 01:36:57 PM
Once again, this case has nothing to do with Stand Your Ground. There was no retreating, need to retreat, or anything to do with retreating. There wasn't even an altercation.

One person got hit with popcorn, and wrecklessly murdered another human being through unlawful escalation of force.

If the state has the death penalty, he should get it. If not, the rest of his very short life will be spent behind bars. There's absolutely no controversy here. This shooter's life is effectively over as it should be.
 
2014-01-15 01:37:04 PM
Yet another in a long string of isolated incidents.

/nothing to see here, move along
 
2014-01-15 01:37:05 PM

The Larch: And what bothers me is that I seem to be in a twilight zone episode full of people who are saying that it's OK to text in a theater.  Seriously, read the thread... there are people here saying it was OK because it was the previews, or because it doesn't usually bother too many people, and all sorts of other excuses for terrible behavior.  It's crazy world.


You are a tree and you suck at trolling. Go back to breathing carbon dioxide, doing photosynthesis, gently waving your leaves around, and smelling the sweet breezes of the good clean air, not the polluted air of too many bodies in a confined place and the overwhelming reek of artificial chemicals. Return to your roots--it's not too late. Movies are greatly overrated anyway.
 
2014-01-15 01:37:34 PM

redmid17: You know the police report doesn't mentiog laughter at all. Also he was texting his daughter's daycare provider, not his daughter. She is three and this was a matinee film in the afternoon.


Interesting.  Can you post a link to the arrest reports?
 
2014-01-15 01:38:22 PM

kbronsito: My take on this... the retired cop was in his 70s but he still wants to be a tough guy and start shiat with people in the street. But a younger guy can really hurt him, so he need his gun. So you see, without a gun he wouldn't feel comfortable acting like a tough and picking fights in public. And isn't protecting his right to do that worth a few lives here or there?


That was my read too. The cop-as-bully thing is tough to pull of when you are 70 and that has got to be frustrating. He tried to intimidate the "the mad texter" who immediately sized up the 70 year old man as little threat. That probably pissed the ex-cop off even more. "Respect my authoratay!".

Finally the texter throw popcorn at the loudmouthed asshat who is SO freakin concerned that he might see a little phone light during PREVIEWS.

Dick move for sure, but not deserving of summary execution by grandpa small penis.
 
2014-01-15 01:38:39 PM

SpectroBoy: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

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Funny that so many fell for that.  Seemed kind of obvious that it was sarcasm.  Of course, whenever I read a post on the internet anymore I assume it's satire unless proven wrong.
 
2014-01-15 01:38:51 PM

Nutsac_Jim: serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.

Apparently, douches can marry good looking white women.


Yeah, looking back on it I'm not sure why my original mental image of the guy had so many tattoos and scars.  The "I was just texting my daughter" excuse (a.k.a. "It's ok for me to text.  It's different when I do it.") should have correctly categorized this guy into the appropriate stereotype.  Probably the only tattoo he has is of an Iron Man logo (though he only did the half).
 
2014-01-15 01:39:02 PM
Last weekend I was in a theater and they didn't show the "turn off your phone and buy stuff in the lobby" reel until after the previews when they turned the lights down. And people are still coming in and finding seats during the previews.
 
2014-01-15 01:39:15 PM

FlashHarry: bottom line: if the cop hand't had a gun on him, the victim would likely be alive today.



Bottom line, if the asshat hadn't lost his shiat and shot a dude the victim would be alive today.
 
GBB
2014-01-15 01:39:35 PM

Confabulat: Did the theater give refunds?


Best question, so far.
 
2014-01-15 01:39:49 PM

cig-mkr: "Hey friend, mind not texting, I'm trying to enjoy my movie experience here with the wife"
"Sorry about that, let me go to the lobby"
END OF STORY !


previews, not the movie.  Reading for the win.
 
2014-01-15 01:40:18 PM

The Larch: redmid17: You know the police report doesn't mentiog laughter at all. Also he was texting his daughter's daycare provider, not his daughter. She is three and this was a matinee film in the afternoon.

Interesting.  Can you post a link to the arrest reports?



So laughter can get you shot?  Man, Dane Cook must be the most well-protected guy in the world.
 
2014-01-15 01:40:41 PM

cryinoutloud: Movies are greatly overrated anyway.


I saw American Hustle the other day.  That was pretty good.  Before that, I saw Howl's Moving Castle, about six or seven years ago.  That wasn't as good as I had hoped it would be.  Oh well.   One for two isn't a bad average.
 
2014-01-15 01:40:51 PM

deanis: Texting, teasing, and throwing popcorn!? . Seriously, if things this small in magnitude cause you fits of rage: seek help. I can't wait until the next time someone does something I don't necessarily like (the next time someone farts next to me on a plane, BOOM. Shows over cupcake).


While shooting him was totally uncalled for, beating him would not have been. If you don't think it is such a big deal, I am sure you would totally sit still if someone flung food at you or dumped their drink on you right? What would you do in that scenario, walk off if a 3rd party did nothing to resolve the situation? Do you have siblings? The first course of action is to tell Mom and Dad. If Mom and Dad don't do anything about it or your sibling continues to annoy you, you get a free pass to beat the shiat out of them and make them stop.
 
2014-01-15 01:40:55 PM
I live in Austin, home of the Alamo Drafthouse theaters. They make a big deal about throwing people out for phone usage. Madonna recently got tossed for it.

Of course, servers constantly blocking the screen and talking is a feature. Maybe we should chill the fark out about texting in the theater. If the tiny screens are making it impossible for you to see the big screen, you may have an attention disorder.

/always turns my phone off
 
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2014-01-15 01:40:56 PM

farking_texan: Jim from Saint Paul:
I know what you present on here bub. Maybe you're different in the real world.
You come off as an awful person with little to no regard for human life if that human life happens to do something you find annoying. It's all you present on here.

You didn't score high on reading comprehension tests, did you "bub"?


www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2014-01-15 01:41:19 PM

The Larch: redmid17: You know the police report doesn't mentiog laughter at all. Also he was texting his daughter's daycare provider, not his daughter. She is three and this was a matinee film in the afternoon.

Interesting.  Can you post a link to the arrest reports?


http://videos.media-alert.com/3240223b-fef9-49e5-9ac9-913e8afc1cc3.p df

Best articles I've seen:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/14/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting /
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cops-friends-stunned-respec te d-captain-movie-theater-slaying-article-1.1578945  (has copy of report too)
 
2014-01-15 01:41:36 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: farking_texan: Jim from Saint Paul:
I know what you present on here bub. Maybe you're different in the real world.
You come off as an awful person with little to no regard for human life if that human life happens to do something you find annoying. It's all you present on here.

You didn't score high on reading comprehension tests, did you "bub"?

2/10. Your works earlier in the thread were much more convincing.


Yes,  I'm just here to troll you.  Try going back and actually reading what I wrote, Jimmy.
 
2014-01-15 01:43:08 PM

Dimensio: DubyaHater: Stand Your Ground=Legal Murder.

How, exactly, was the accused former police chief acquitted so quickly? When did this acquittal occur? By what means did you obtain this information? I cannot locate such a report anywhere.


If you can drag "Stand Your Ground" out every time someone is murdered, the law has become a joke. The law is being treated as grounds for legal murder. It's a bullshiat law that should be repealed.
 
2014-01-15 01:43:33 PM

deanis: The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.


Texting, teasing, and throwing popcorn!? . Seriously, if things this small in magnitude cause you fits of rage: seek help. I can't wait until the next time someone does something I don't necessarily like (the next time someone farts next to me on a plane, BOOM. Shows over cupcake).


^this

In my entire life I think a total of two morons threw some popcorn at me, one time it was Milk Duds and I angrily told that guy to stop(those hurt) and he did, but no, never did anyone think of starting a fight or pulling a gun.

Someone throwing popcorn at you? You move if they won't stop.

It's only popcorn that someone threw at you. Oh no! Your pride! Get over yourself, everyone suffers indignities in life.
 
2014-01-15 01:44:20 PM

The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.


Serious question: What's wrong with texting in a movie theater?

Using a phone in anyway during a performance, even to just check the time, in majorly annoying.  In a dark theater the light of the screen is a big annoyance to everyone around.

But this wasn't during the movie.  This was during previews, which I know some people take seriously, but are shown before the house lights come down.

So really, what's wrong with using a mobile phone in a theater before/after the performance?  What if he took out the phone during the end credits, after the lights come up, so let someone know the movie was over?  Is that a shooting too?

I wonder about the mentality of a person who thinks 1) polite conversation, 2) raised voice, 3) popcorn throwing, 4) close-range shooting is an appropriate escalation sequence.
 
2014-01-15 01:44:25 PM
Just a PR stunt by the defense to get the state to quickly offer a better deal to contain the shiatstorm.
 
2014-01-15 01:44:27 PM
Very sad that a man lost his life, that cop should have shot him in the foot or something and then I would have applauded him. Pretty high proportion of the population that are selfish classless people with no manners or consideration.

Why yes, I do laugh when I hear of belligerent, slow walking jaywalkers getting hit by cars, why do you ask?
 
2014-01-15 01:44:39 PM
assets.nydailynews.com
The texting vigilante from a related article.
Apparently being the "texting police" was his thing.

The poor bastard he murdered was only texting during previews. Not even the main feature.
 
2014-01-15 01:44:44 PM

DubyaHater: Dimensio: DubyaHater: Stand Your Ground=Legal Murder.

How, exactly, was the accused former police chief acquitted so quickly? When did this acquittal occur? By what means did you obtain this information? I cannot locate such a report anywhere.

If you can drag "Stand Your Ground" out every time someone is murdered, the law has become a joke. The law is being treated as grounds for legal murder. It's a bullshiat law that should be repealed.


You could say the same thing about self-defense, insanity, etc.
 
2014-01-15 01:45:01 PM
Hmmm..not much interesting here, just a lot of sad. Curits Reeves appears to be a typical insecure meat-head cop, with far below average intelligence. Based on the report someone else posted, he's been behving this way his entire life, which is typical of his ilk. He's a wretched piece of crap, and apparently always has been. I'll hope that he's brutally victimized and, ultimately, dies in prison. But I know better than to get my hopes up too high. There's no justice in this life, and probably not a next one.
 
2014-01-15 01:45:03 PM

farking_texan: Jim from Saint Paul: farking_texan: Jim from Saint Paul:
I know what you present on here bub. Maybe you're different in the real world.
You come off as an awful person with little to no regard for human life if that human life happens to do something you find annoying. It's all you present on here.

You didn't score high on reading comprehension tests, did you "bub"?

2/10. Your works earlier in the thread were much more convincing.

Yes,  I'm just here to troll you.  Try going back and actually reading what I wrote, Jimmy.


http://www.fark.com/comments/8101122/88728905#c88728905" data-cke-saved-href="http://www.fark.com/comments/8101122/88728905#c8 8728905">farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


 You obviously come off as giving more of a shiat that the dude had his phone out then that he was murdered. I see LOTS of scentences on why the dead guy was awful and 4 words on how the murdered MAY have done somemthing wrong.
 
2014-01-15 01:45:15 PM

KarmicDisaster: Last weekend I was in a theater and they didn't show the "turn off your phone and buy stuff in the lobby" reel until after the previews when they turned the lights down. And people are still coming in and finding seats during the previews.


It's been the same for me since cell phones became a "big" thing, last decade or so maybe. A lot places will dim the lights -- not turn them off -- for the previews, but people are always coming in and finding a seat, checking their phone, or talking to their friend in the next seat. I don't really give a shiat about the previews, so it doesn't bother me. I can watch the trailer at home with reasonable volume.

The people trying to walk by me to sit down and possibly spilling stuff on me concerns me a lot more than the people who might distract with me a phone during the previews.
 
2014-01-15 01:45:16 PM

Trivia Jockey: The Larch: And what bothers me is that I seem to be in a twilight zone episode full of people who are saying that it's OK to text in a theater.

The way I read the thread, these people are saying texting in a theater isn't all that bad when compared to being shot for it.

Yes, I agree with you that if someone is texting during the film (I don't give a sh*t about previews), they're horribly rude and selfish.  But the context for this thread is whether you get to shoot someone for that.  So in that context, no, I don't think texting was all that big of a deal.


Also, if I'm in a farking afternoon matinee for some hollywood piece of shiat movie, and my daycare provider texts me -  even if it's the feature, I'm going to read it because it could be something a lot more important than said piece of crap movie on the screen.  And if you complain I'll tell you to suck my dick.  Get over it, it's a little light momentarily out of the corner of your eye.  If you are so intolerant of other people that you can't stand to be around them, then wait untill it comes out to rent and stay home ... public movie theaters are not the same as expensive opera houses where everyone paid handsomely to be there and etiquette and politeness is paramount.  It's just a shiathole where the show mind-numbing crap to us plebs to keep us placated and stupid.  If you go anywhere public, your are going to run into assholes that are going to be rude to you ... you don't get to shoot any of them.  If you can't deal with that, don't go in public.
 
2014-01-15 01:45:37 PM

dazed420: cig-mkr: "Hey friend, mind not texting, I'm trying to enjoy my movie experience here with the wife"
"Sorry about that, let me go to the lobby"
END OF STORY !

previews, not the movie.  Reading for the win.


 The previews are part of the entire "movie experience" aren't they?
 
2014-01-15 01:45:43 PM

Farker Soze: What? One asshole movie texter and one hothead overreacting idiot are now gone from society, slightly elevating the average politeness of civilization. Don't hate me because I'm telling it like it is.



Don't forget the ripple effect of having movie texters know that they're risking their lives by behaving like assholes.

Of course, there is the small matter of another family that was destroyed by an asshole cop.
 
2014-01-15 01:45:44 PM

s2s2s2: I live in Austin, home of the Alamo Drafthouse theaters. They make a big deal about throwing people out for phone usage. Madonna recently got tossed for it.

Of course, servers constantly blocking the screen and talking is a feature. Maybe we should chill the fark out about texting in the theater. If the tiny screens are making it impossible for you to see the big screen, you may have an attention disorder.

/always turns my phone off


Then you are also familiar with the fact that people use their phones as flashlights to read the menus as Alamo which due to the height of the tables and stadium seating, is incredibly annoying since you cannot but help see a giant glowing screen. Thankfully, this doesn't happen often except when you get people who have never been to an Alamo Drafthouse and show up when the previews are rolling or when the movie itself starts - rather than get there early to order their buckets of beer and open them up so the clanging and bottle caps don't annoy everyone else.

/loves Alamo
 
2014-01-15 01:46:19 PM
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The Fark threads will be epic.
 
2014-01-15 01:46:31 PM
Jeeze, what about those JERKS that show up during the previews and try to find seats! I'm trying to watch the previews here BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!
 
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