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(The Daily Beast)   The lawyer for the ex-cop who shot and killed a man in a Florida movie theater may use the Stand Your Ground defense because the victim "threw an unknown object" at the defendant. That "object?" It was likely popcorn   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 1007
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2014-01-15 01:17:39 PM

Farker Soze: Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.

Two douchebags are now permanently removed from society.  It's a process.



You're a terrible person.
 
2014-01-15 01:17:41 PM
Am I late for the open-carry proponents crying about threats they can deter because of an expensive leather holster holding their .40-cal penis-enlarger?
 
2014-01-15 01:18:11 PM

farking_texan: Jim from Saint Paul:

Right. You'd have to give a shiat about anyone else. to possibly be embarassed about anything.

You don't know me at all, farkwad.


I know what you present on here bub. Maybe you're different in the real world.

You come off as an awful person with little to no regard for human life if that human life happens to do something you find annoying. It's all you present on here.
 
2014-01-15 01:18:29 PM

funzyr: I'll bet if he threw skittles that most of the people in this thread would be on different sides than they are.


Well done, sir.  Bravo.
 
2014-01-15 01:18:37 PM
I'm going to guess that when this guy gets convicted, as would seem inevitable based on the information available so far, those who are still butthurt about the GZ thing will take it as further evidence of a racial injustice toward TM.
 
2014-01-15 01:18:37 PM
Stand Your Ground=Legal Murder.
 
2014-01-15 01:18:43 PM

Chummer45: Trivia Jockey: farking_texan: If you initiate a physical confrontation and wind up getting shot, it's your own damn fault.

Do you think throwing popcorn is 'initiating a physical confrontation' that justifies a response with a pistol?

He's a god-awful troll.


I'd say borderline troll. He got a lot of hits with his Boobies or two, but he's been far too engaged to actually be a good one.
 
2014-01-15 01:19:09 PM
I see that the images with an American flag in the background, a gun, and "I stand with Curtis Reeves--protect your right to carry!" slogan have started making their rounds of Facebook...
 
2014-01-15 01:19:11 PM

serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.


you mean the vic was white?

grokca: FlashHarry: grokca: I blame John Cleese for not teaching us how to properly defend against popcorn.

Yeah, you try that with a pineapple down your windpipe.

What movie were they watching?


"Lone Surivivor" ironically enough
 
2014-01-15 01:19:30 PM

darthaegis: It's always good to meet a Vet from that day, regardless of the side you were on... Do you still hear the melting butter?


No, but I can still sure as hell smell it.  I love the smell of butter in the morning.
 
2014-01-15 01:19:33 PM

ned4spd8874: Can Florida stop being a state now please?


We're more of a third world refugee camp, now. At least south of the I-4 corridor.
 
2014-01-15 01:20:01 PM
Going to have to go with "throwing popcorn isn't enough to shoot someone over" on this one. It's a pretty stupid thing to do, and makes you an asshole, but that's about it. Guy obviously wasn't expecting an even bigger asshole to trump his assholishness.
 
2014-01-15 01:20:51 PM

JerkStore: I see that the images with an American flag in the background, a gun, and "I stand with Curtis Reeves--protect your right to carry!" slogan have started making their rounds of Facebook...


Which is ridiculous, because we're not arguing against his right to carry, we're arguing against killing a father of a 3-year-old because he threw popcorn at you.
 
2014-01-15 01:20:56 PM

DubyaHater: Stand Your Ground=Legal Murder.


How, exactly, was the accused former police chief acquitted so quickly? When did this acquittal occur? By what means did you obtain this information? I cannot locate such a report anywhere.
 
2014-01-15 01:21:17 PM
This strikes me as first degree murder considering he brought the weapon into a place and situation where there's the least likelihood of harm or death and few people caught up in the rare scuffle inside a darkened movie house are prepared to be shot for throwing garbage or popcorn.

Then when one takes into account he was an ex-cop, it isn't hard to imagine a man with the taste for action willing to escalate a small encounter a into full blown tragedy for the thrill of it all. However, I would add that most ex-cops are obviously not that way otherwise society would feature more of this.


/badoomtsssss
 
2014-01-15 01:21:36 PM

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


He was retired law enforcement. Or were you being ironic? Because rain on your wedding day is not ironic.
 
2014-01-15 01:21:39 PM
You know someone next to me texting during a movie would be kind of a distraction, I admit.  But do you know what would REALLY be irritating and make it hard to watch a movie?  Some asshole getting up and screaming at someone else for silently texting in their seat then coming back in the theater after making a complaint and shooting that person to death ... THAT'S the worst!
 
2014-01-15 01:21:44 PM

Magorn: serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.

you mean the vic was white?grokca: FlashHarry: grokca: I blame John Cleese for not teaching us how to properly defend against popcorn.

Yeah, you try that with a pineapple down your windpipe.

What movie were they watching?

"Lone Surivivor" ironically enough


"I'M HIT!"

"WE'RE ALL HIT, CAN YOU FIGHT?"

/Just saw the commercial
 
2014-01-15 01:21:54 PM

Magorn: What movie were they watching?

"Lone Surivivor" ironically enough


It's not irony.

/please don't shoot me for that
 
2014-01-15 01:21:56 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: LeroyBourne: Onkel Buck: DROxINxTHExWIND: Onkel Buck: LeroyBourne: So this is the zimmerman2.0.  I can't wait for the circus trial.

Gonna be hard for the media to make this a racial witch hunt with two creepy as crackers being involved.


Gonna be even harder for you bigots to decide who to root for.

The white guy! Duh!

The media will show pictures of the aggressor (when referring to him) and old frail man sitting alone in the park feeding ducks and other birds anything but pop corn, maybe day old bread.


I'm trying to figure out what's taking you all so long to come to your conclusion that the dead guy was at fault. It was instantaneous in the other case.


A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.
 
2014-01-15 01:21:58 PM

Trivia Jockey: The Larch: Seriously? You think texting in a movie theater is OK?

It isn't ok.  However, discussing the propriety of texting in a theater in this thread is really missing the point.


Exactly.  It's not OK.  It's never OK.   Never text in a movie theater.  Just don't ever do it.  Ever.

Also, it's not OK to kill people either.   Don't do that either.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is this: don't kill people, and don't text in a movie theater.  Good people avoid doing both of those.  If you do either of those things without some sort of life-or-death reason for doing it, you're not a good person.  You're a bad person, and you should feel bad.

You killed someone just to watch him die?   You're a very bad person.

You texted your daughter in a theater, and then laughed at an old man when he asked you to stop?  You're a very bad person.

Both of these people are very bad people.  Both did things that nobody should ever do.  One is dead.  One is in jail.
 
2014-01-15 01:22:07 PM

mbillips: deanis: mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.

How farked up is your life if someone throwing popcorn at you makes you "long" to shoot them? Grow up farkwads, have some self control.

That's pretty much standard Southern man reaction. It's not the popcorn; it's the lack of respect for my potential deadliness. Spitting on me would draw the same reaction. We're raised like that. Insult to honor = physical assault.

/I've pretty much grown out of it, but I UNDERSTAND.


So, you're reinforcing southern stereotypes? This is great.
 
2014-01-15 01:22:07 PM

Farker Soze: Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.

Two douchebags are now permanently removed from society.  It's a process.


Uh no.  If the old guy lives long enough to survive the year of judicial process.  He will be back out to kill again.  His own son, a cop showed up at the scene first, all evidence that could convict this retired war hero is long gone.  Wife better leave the state if she knows whats good for her and her daughter, or they will fark her life up.  Accidents happen all the time.
 
2014-01-15 01:22:33 PM
As I said before, which everyone seems to have missed...

His lawyer will make a case, no matter how absurd it may seem, just to ensure that he gets a fair trial.
This is the only way that the prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty.
 
2014-01-15 01:22:54 PM

walktoanarcade: This strikes me as first degree murder considering he brought the weapon into a place and situation where there's the least likelihood of harm or death and few people caught up in the rare scuffle inside a darkened movie house are prepared to be shot for throwing garbage or popcorn.


First degree murder is applicable only if he entered the theater with the intent to commit homicide. Without any demonstration of such intent at the outset, a first degree homicide charge is not appropriate.
 
2014-01-15 01:23:49 PM

Trivia Jockey: farking_texan: If you initiate a physical confrontation and wind up getting shot, it's your own damn fault.

Do you think throwing popcorn is 'initiating a physical confrontation' that justifies a response with a pistol?


No.  Did I say that?
 
2014-01-15 01:24:06 PM

spiderpaz: But do you know what would REALLY be irritating and make it hard to watch a movie? Some asshole getting up and screaming at someone else for silently texting in their seat then coming back in the theater after making a complaint and shooting that person to death ... THAT'S the worst!


So true.  That's why the local AMC theaters always runs this pre-show ad:

For everyone's enjoyment of the show, please kindly turn off your cell phones, and refrain from texting or shooting people in the chest.  Thank you!
 
2014-01-15 01:24:08 PM
Monty Python:

Why'd you shoot him?

He was coming at me with a banana!
 
2014-01-15 01:24:19 PM

Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.


You can have my buttered popcorn when you take it from my cold, dead...well, actually, you could probably grab it now, because my hands are all greasy. And I'm holding a 26-oz Pepsi in one of them.

Sorry, never mind.
 
2014-01-15 01:24:34 PM

FlashHarry: are you farking kidding me?  you don't get to murder people just because you turn 70.


You don't? Why the hell am I hanging on then? I thought it was in the contract!!

Crewmannumber6: My neighbor is a retired cop, and he's never not packing.


I worked with a retired cop once, and that farker was NUTS. If he didn't have some bodies buried somewhere, I'd be surprised. He unnerved me so badly (I have PTSD and he reminded me of my ex) that I had to call the bosses and ask them to be transferred somewhere else. They were not amused. In the course of their embarrassing questions, one of them asked me if I had a gun? If I had a gun--because I must be crazy if I couldn't be around such a nice, sweet, ex-cop, the very definition of stable and upstanding. That farker was packing 24 hours a day! He spent half his time looking for lawbreakers, taking pictures of "suspicious" people, and telling me lurid stories about how crazy and devious everybody else was.

Because cops and ex-cops are the pillars of society, you know. Don't you dare imply that they might not be paragons of virtue.
 
2014-01-15 01:24:36 PM

Trivia Jockey: Farker Soze: Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.

Two douchebags are now permanently removed from society.  It's a process.


You're a terrible person.


What?  One asshole movie texter and one hothead overreacting idiot are now gone from society, slightly elevating the average politeness of civilization.  Don't hate me because I'm telling it like it is.
 
2014-01-15 01:24:47 PM

durbnpoisn: As I said before, which everyone seems to have missed...

His lawyer will make a case, no matter how absurd it may seem, just to ensure that he gets a fair trial.
This is the only way that the prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty.


I have been informed, by sincere individuals, that a defense attorney invoking a legal justification as a defense is itself demonstration of a need to repeal that legal justification, regardless of whether the defense is successful.
 
2014-01-15 01:25:15 PM

The Larch: So, I guess what I'm trying to say is this: don't kill people, and don't text in a movie theater.


OK, fine.  But what bothers me is you don't seem to be admitting there's a slight imbalance between the two.
 
2014-01-15 01:25:21 PM

The Larch: Wait... there are honestly and truly people in this thread defending the piece of subhuman filth who was texting in a movie theater?

Are you all just being ironic and edgy, or are you serious about this?


You know, personally when I go to the movie theater to text my friends once the lights go off (it's the only time it's dark and quiet enough for me to really compose a good text) I always bring my glock with me ... that way if anyone starts any trouble, I can just shoot them and make sure nothing bad happens.  That's why we should all be walking around with guns all the time everywhere we go - so that when we are temporarily pissed off, we can solve our problems in the moment, right then and there.
 
2014-01-15 01:25:26 PM
Jim from Saint Paul:
I know what you present on here bub. Maybe you're different in the real world.
You come off as an awful person with little to no regard for human life if that human life happens to do something you find annoying. It's all you present on here.


You didn't score high on reading comprehension tests, did you "bub"?
 
2014-01-15 01:25:41 PM

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


THIS

but seriously you will always have douchenozzles in the theatre.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 01:26:02 PM

Bermuda59: It's the Florida way, you pull out popcorn and they pull out a gun


2.bp.blogspot.com

Popcorn to a gunfight.
 
2014-01-15 01:26:11 PM

orclover: Farker Soze: Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.

Two douchebags are now permanently removed from society.  It's a process.

Uh no.  If the old guy lives long enough to survive the year of judicial process.  He will be back out to kill again.  His own son, a cop showed up at the scene first, all evidence that could convict this retired war hero is long gone.  Wife better leave the state if she knows whats good for her and her daughter, or they will fark her life up.  Accidents happen all the time.


I doubt it.  As has been said, he shot a white guy with popcorn, not a black guy with skittles.  Crazypants isn't going anywhere.
 
2014-01-15 01:26:16 PM

Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.


He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.
 
2014-01-15 01:26:40 PM

Farker Soze: Trivia Jockey: Farker Soze: Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.
Two douchebags are now permanently removed from society.  It's a process.

You're a terrible person.

What?  One asshole movie texter and one hothead overreacting idiot are now gone from society, slightly elevating the average politeness of civilization.  Don't hate me because I'm telling it like it is.



You're such a massive dick that if you took Viagra, you'd get taller.
 
2014-01-15 01:28:53 PM

The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.


You know the police report doesn't mentiog laughter at all. Also he was texting his daughter's daycare provider, not his daughter. She is three and this was a matinee film in the afternoon.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 01:28:55 PM

The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.


Very true, but the difference between someone stuck a 12-year-old's level of emotional development and an adult is whether or not you think it's okay to act on those feelings.

If being a douche was enough of an excuse to kill someone, 50% of the males on any given college campus would just be GONE.
 
2014-01-15 01:29:03 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Well in their defense, if the guy was a cop and he managed to get through his career and retire with benefits they probably feel like they have a good idea about his background since he technically had to be mentally stable to hold the job. I also assume they think that cops may have to deal with people who they have come into contact with during their careers who may not be happy about their last interaction.


This is no defense.  Per capita police are convicted of more assaults, murders, and something like twice as many rapes and sexual assaults as the totality of "civilians."

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=950&dat=19821230&id=kLdaAAAAIB AJ &sjid=GVkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1705,3268758

Surprise surprise, three questionable shootings and 24 complaints about excessive force and false arrests in just his first 10 years
 
2014-01-15 01:29:55 PM

deanis: spiderpaz: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

/CSB: my wife and I were at a theater to watch a movie for the first time in 5 months after getting a day away from the baby finally and we sit down in an empty theater.  Just before the feature starts this woman and her mom who's on oxygen being wheeled around come and sit right next to us, and then another couple sits on the other side of us (trapped).  We had to sit there listening to this pump pushing oxygen into her every 3 seconds the entire time.  THEN came the snoring.  Lots.OF.Snoring.  Still didn't ruin my mood though.

Should've shot that disrespectful biatch! How dare she slightly interrupt 2 hours of your life with her oxygen tank hissing and her sleep apnea style snoring! The GALL!!


Would have been just as effective and less disruptive to everyone else's movie-going experience if he had just reached over and turned off the oxygen tank.
 
2014-01-15 01:30:22 PM

Dimensio: walktoanarcade: This strikes me as first degree murder considering he brought the weapon into a place and situation where there's the least likelihood of harm or death and few people caught up in the rare scuffle inside a darkened movie house are prepared to be shot for throwing garbage or popcorn.

First degree murder is applicable only if he entered the theater with the intent to commit homicide. Without any demonstration of such intent at the outset, a first degree homicide charge is not appropriate.


That's part of why I started out with: "This strikes me as" and I'd agree that it would be a tall order if not outright impossible to charge him with much less prove murder in the first degree.

Still, I'd argue that he was looking for an excuse to shoot someone and he was most likely going to find somebody to pick on inside a packed movie theater.  The chances of a texter telling you to eat shiat instead of politely dousing the irritating and distracting beacon are quite high in today's world, and I am sure the old ex copper knew that too.    When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
 
2014-01-15 01:30:37 PM

brap: Was the other guy charged with A salt and Buttery?


www.whoateallthepies.tv
 
2014-01-15 01:31:05 PM

Trivia Jockey: The Larch: So, I guess what I'm trying to say is this: don't kill people, and don't text in a movie theater.

OK, fine.  But what bothers me is you don't seem to be admitting there's a slight imbalance between the two.


And what bothers me is that I seem to be in a twilight zone episode full of people who are saying that it's OK to text in a theater.  Seriously, read the thread... there are people here saying it was OK because it was the previews, or because it doesn't usually bother too many people, and all sorts of other excuses for terrible behavior.  It's crazy world.
 
2014-01-15 01:31:24 PM

Generation_D: Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true.  Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear.  It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.


Not to mention the pictures of Invader Zimm's bloodied nose, and the lacerations to the back of his head....
 
2014-01-15 01:32:10 PM

The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.



Texting, teasing, and throwing popcorn!? . Seriously, if things this small in magnitude cause you fits of rage: seek help. I can't wait until the next time someone does something I don't necessarily like (the next time someone farts next to me on a plane, BOOM. Shows over cupcake).
 
2014-01-15 01:32:19 PM

mbillips: deanis: mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.

How farked up is your life if someone throwing popcorn at you makes you "long" to shoot them? Grow up farkwads, have some self control.

That's pretty much standard Southern man reaction. It's not the popcorn; it's the lack of respect for my potential deadliness. Spitting on me would draw the same reaction. We're raised like that. Insult to honor = physical assault.

/I've pretty much grown out of it, but I UNDERSTAND.


But that's so backwards.

You can't insult MY honor by calling me a doodoo-head.  Because any reasonable person would know that I am not, in fact, a doodoo-head.  Therefore, the only honor that's been affected is YOUR honor, for acting like a moran.

If you call me a doodoo-head and I get all hot and bothered, that implies that I secretly am a doodoo-head, or have doodoo-head tendencies.
 
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