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(The Daily Beast)   The lawyer for the ex-cop who shot and killed a man in a Florida movie theater may use the Stand Your Ground defense because the victim "threw an unknown object" at the defendant. That "object?" It was likely popcorn   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 1007
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2014-01-15 01:03:34 PM  

ZAZ: Dimensio

As a retired cop, the shooter probably had the protection of a new federal law that prohibits states from taking guns away from ex-cops.  (Wikipedia article, which I have not fact checked.)


Random side story here:

You know why Dianne Feinstein is such an gun control fanatic?

She was the one who found Harvey Milk's dead body after he and the Mayor Moscone was gunned down by an ex-supervisor when they were both on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.  This act also made her Mayor and led to her gaining a higher political profile eventually leading to her election to the US Senate.

Of course, the ex-supervisor (Dan White), was also an ex-cop, and performed the assassinations with his former service revolver, so almost no gun control legislation sponsored by her or anybody else would have applied.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:37 PM  

mikaloyd: Looks like a common movie/cell phone popcorn throwing asshole collided with a murderous asshole. One is dead and the other hopefully is headed to prison for a very long time. I dont really understand why the article is painting either one as a hero.


This.

And I'd like to nominate Dimensio for sarcastatroll comment of the year so far.  Lots of bites on that one.  Bravo, sir.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:51 PM  

Fark It: trotsky: There will be no Zimmerman defense here. The old bully won't get oodles of right wing idiots donating cash to his defense. I find it odd none of my pro-Zimmerman friends have commented on this yet. Maybe because the victim, from the pictures I've seen, was an average guy who probably owned a few guns himself.

Then again, they're probably not that self-aware but the silence from the gun nut crowd over this is deafening.

The victim in this case wasn't on top of the shooter and pummeling him before he got shot.


Also, white.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:57 PM  

trotsky: There will be no Zimmerman defense here. The old bully won't get oodles of right wing idiots donating cash to his defense. I find it odd none of my pro-Zimmerman friends have commented on this yet. Maybe because the victim, from the pictures I've seen, was an average guy who probably owned a few guns himself.

Then again, they're probably not that self-aware but the silence from the gun nut crowd over this is deafening.


Why would they chime in and defend this guy?

There is no reason to have shot Capt Text.

Save the 'use the same old argument line no matter what' for all the lefties that have already commented at how the old man has a small wiener and that is why he carries.
 
2014-01-15 01:04:27 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Apparently, this does solve the Batman dilemma, of whether a CCW holder would have been able to shoot in a dark theater and hit his target and not kill the 15 people sitting around.


Yep.  This guy was a trained law enforcement officer inches away from his target, he had been interacting directly with his target for several minutes, he fired only one shot, and despite all of that he still managed to hit an innocent bystander in addition to his intended target.
 
2014-01-15 01:05:45 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

This is either a brilliant and subtly sarcastic observation, given the fact that the shooter in this case actually is a retired law enforcement officer, or it's really dumb.


I'd go with the bolded part based on his prior history.
 
2014-01-15 01:05:49 PM  

spiderpaz: The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.


If you think texting during the previews is OK, I hope someone shoots you and kills you.
 
2014-01-15 01:06:26 PM  
It doesnt really bother me that this guy was carrying.

This is because I am not a douche that texts after the lights go out and video is playing.... and I dont
throw shiat at people and them a pussy for getting management and then get in their face.

He should get 20 years.  the other guy already got life for being a dick.
 
2014-01-15 01:06:48 PM  

spiderpaz: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

/CSB: my wife and I were at a theater to watch a movie for the first time in 5 months after getting a day away from the baby finally and we sit down in an empty theater.  Just before the feature starts this woman and her mom who's on oxygen being wheeled around come and sit right next to us, and then another couple sits on the other side of us (trapped).  We had to sit there listening to this pump pushing oxygen into her every 3 seconds the entire time.  THEN came the snoring.  Lots.OF.Snoring.  Still didn't ruin my mood though.


Should've shot that disrespectful biatch! How dare she slightly interrupt 2 hours of your life with her oxygen tank hissing and her sleep apnea style snoring! The GALL!!
 
2014-01-15 01:06:55 PM  
Lawyers gonna lawyer.  Don't hate, appreciate.
 
2014-01-15 01:07:00 PM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Perfect score!
 
2014-01-15 01:07:23 PM  

The Larch: spiderpaz: The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

If you think texting during the previews is OK, I hope someone shoots you and kills you.


Are you OK?
 
2014-01-15 01:07:28 PM  
Can Florida stop being a state now please?
 
2014-01-15 01:07:41 PM  

The Larch: spiderpaz: The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

If you think texting during the previews is OK, I hope someone shoots you and kills you.


If you look at the big bright screen in front of you, you generally don't notice things like that. And seriously it's the previews.

If someone is texting during the movie and it's bothering you, by all means get the manager. They probably won't do anything, but they might.
 
2014-01-15 01:08:16 PM  
ChipNASA:

Wait so you're claiming that it's ok to shoot people for being a world class asshole in a way that absolutely makes you a world class asshole yourself.

Do you shoot yourself next?
 
2014-01-15 01:08:37 PM  
Time to ban popcorn I guess.

Have them sell guns at the concession stand so that every one in the theater is armed.

This would have been avoided if the father would have had a gun.


/am I doing this right?
/guns (unless zombie invasion) = small penis compensation
 
2014-01-15 01:08:49 PM  

Doc Daneeka: HaywoodJablonski: Fissile: This guy has a history of confronting people in movie theaters http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-woman-alleged-theate r -shooter-confronted-texting-3-weeks-article-1.1580192

That's the flaw in all the "armed society is a polite society" theory.  It's bullshiat.

Carrying a gun doesn't make you any more polite, it just makes you feel powerful.  Every little incident of aggravation, annoyance, rudeness, aggressive driving, etc. that under other circumstances would result in a fistfight at worst, now results in dead bodies when people are armed.

When you have a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail, and when you carry a gun everywhere...well, it's not surprising what tends to happen.


I am certain that you will be able to justify your claims through reference to evidence showing that concealed weapons permit holders express a feeling of "power" and showing that concealed weapons permit holders commit violent crime at a rate substantially higher than that of the general adult population. I therefore eagerly anticipate being able to read that data.
 
2014-01-15 01:09:10 PM  

factoryconnection: Generation_D: Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

That worked because (a) Zimm was injured by Trayvon Martin and (b) the other witness in that case was a corpse.

In this case you have the injured wife, the cop's wife, the off-duty sheriff that disarmed the shooter, the nurses that tried to save the victim's life, et cetera.  The lawyer is using "Stand Your Ground" because it is all he's got to defend his crazy client that shoots people in movie theaters.


SYG is like the insanity defense.  Its the only thing you can pull out to defend the indefensible.  The law is not broken just because it is invoked defend the indefensible.  It is broken only if it works to defend the indefensible.
 
2014-01-15 01:09:41 PM  

Begoggle: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

Texan you say?
Florida would have been my first guess.


And also a basement dweller would have been my further guess.
 
2014-01-15 01:09:53 PM  

Dimensio: The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Um, this incident showed that a retired LEO is no better than the next trigger happy yahoo.
 
2014-01-15 01:10:47 PM  

Onkel Buck: Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.

Well the theater does ask you to be considerate of others around you and to turn off your phone. Wouldnt it be polite to do that? But like one poster said above, one asshole is dead and the other asshole is probably going to jail

/I think a throat punch would have been just as satisfying


They ask you to turn off your phone before the movie starts not during the previews.
 
2014-01-15 01:11:11 PM  
spiderpaz:

The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

No, a "soda on the head" is not a valid option, just as shooting someone over texting in a theater is a valid option.  If you initiate a physical confrontation and wind up getting shot, it's your own damn fault.
 
2014-01-15 01:11:22 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Apparently, this does solve the Batman dilemma, of whether a CCW holder would have been able to shoot in a dark theater and hit his target and not kill the 15 people sitting around.


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2014-01-15 01:12:10 PM  

Doc Daneeka: ChipNASA: varmitydog: Oulson was by all accounts a world class dad, just as his wife, Nicole, is a world class mom.

After reading this story, all I can think about is Nicole Oulson telling her three year daughter that her daddy was dead.
And of all the years from now when they don't have him around. And for what?

Because he was an inconsiderate asshole.

SIT. DOWN. SHUT. THE. FARK. UP.  WATCH. MOVIE. GO. HOME.

/profit?
//He brought it on himself.

Texting during a movie a crime deserving death?  Jesus.

Besides which, the movie hadn't even started yet.  It was the farking previews.


1) The victim was texting, not talking, which sits much lower on the list of annoying things to do in a movie theater.
2) The defendant's own son was about to cause his own disruption by arriving late. You think dad would have shot him too ?
3) Disruptions that occur during previews just don't seem very important, except, pehaps, to a self-appointed theater vigilante cantankerous ex-cop with a gun. Wish he'd just taken up fishing instead.

I suspect that I have fallen for a troll.
 
2014-01-15 01:12:26 PM  

Wingchild: Pretty sure you don't get to "stand your ground" when carrying unlawfully.


Stand your ground doesn't require a gun.  You can "stand your ground" with your fists, or a bat.  Whatever.  Whether or not the tool you use is illegal is irrelevant to the statute.  (It may be a circumstance to consider when evaluating if you were "reasonable" when you stood your ground, but that's a bit different.)
 
2014-01-15 01:12:32 PM  

redmid17: The Larch: spiderpaz: The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

If you think texting during the previews is OK, I hope someone shoots you and kills you.

If you look at the big bright screen in front of you, you generally don't notice things like that. And seriously it's the previews.

If someone is texting during the movie and it's bothering you, by all means get the manager. They probably won't do anything, but they might.


Seriously?   You think texting in a movie theater is OK?   You're a piece of human garbage.  Stop being garbage.
 
2014-01-15 01:12:34 PM  

The Larch: Nutsac_Jim: Apparently, this does solve the Batman dilemma, of whether a CCW holder would have been able to shoot in a dark theater and hit his target and not kill the 15 people sitting around.

Yep.  This guy was a trained law enforcement officer inches away from his target, he had been interacting directly with his target for several minutes, he fired only one shot, and despite all of that he still managed to hit an innocent bystander in addition to his intended target.



How do you know he missed.  Maybe he was trying to save $5000
 
2014-01-15 01:12:44 PM  
this is why everyone needs to carry popcorn.

let he who is without sin cast the first kernel

all this and no grass present?
maybe the guy wanted to sleep through the movie so...get off my yawn ?
 
2014-01-15 01:13:20 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: "Shall issue" is stupid, too.


As I am certain that you will be able to demonstrate by showing that concealed weapons permit holders in "shall issue" states commit violent crime at a rate higher than that of the general populace.
 
2014-01-15 01:13:35 PM  

farking_texan: If you initiate a physical confrontation and wind up getting shot, it's your own damn fault.


Do you think throwing popcorn is 'initiating a physical confrontation' that justifies a response with a pistol?
 
2014-01-15 01:14:01 PM  

born_yesterday: Chummer45: And if every other person in the theater was armed (as they should have been), then nobody would have been killed!

The only way for ANYONE in this country to be safe is if we ALL walk with guns loaded, drawn,  and sighted on anything that moves or might be a threat.

To do any less means your family deserves to die.



That would virtually eliminate all crime in this country.
 
2014-01-15 01:14:10 PM  

spiderpaz: Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst -


Years ago, I saw someone complain to a bunch of teens about being loud.  One of them threw their soda over several rows at the guy...and he caught it.   Without the lid coming off and spilling a drop.  That was badass.

But yeah, he totally should have executed them all.
 
2014-01-15 01:14:44 PM  

The Larch: Seriously? You think texting in a movie theater is OK?


It isn't ok.  However, discussing the propriety of texting in a theater in this thread is really missing the point.
 
2014-01-15 01:14:44 PM  

brantgoose: Welcome to America.

The death penalty applies for every crime, from attempting to ask direction while black to throwing popcorn in a movie theatre.

But you can't kill a fetus the size of a pin head even if it almost certainly will cost the life of the mother-to-be or was produced by incestuous father-daughter rape and will certainly be a miserable shameful inbred misfit and cause of misery and crime for life.

Because that would be murder.


Hope you don't mind, but I'm so stealing this for future use.
 
2014-01-15 01:14:45 PM  
Jim from Saint Paul:

Right. You'd have to give a shiat about anyone else. to possibly be embarassed about anything.

You don't know me at all, farkwad.
 
2014-01-15 01:15:07 PM  

Trivia Jockey: farking_texan: If you initiate a physical confrontation and wind up getting shot, it's your own damn fault.

Do you think throwing popcorn is 'initiating a physical confrontation' that justifies a response with a pistol?



He's a god-awful troll.
 
2014-01-15 01:15:08 PM  
Stupid people vs. assholes. Beating, shooting etc ensues. That is all.

Each and every single goddam "gun-derp" thread here at fark seems to involve a story where an asshole shoots an idiot.
(or other way around) Zim vs. Tray.........yadda...yadda

....then, some misinformed troll-tard babbles "stand your ground" and there it f*cking goes again.

All these people from the initial story are assholes and morons. (one goes to morgue and other to jail, GOOD!)
All you thread trolls are just as asinine and moronic.

 
2014-01-15 01:15:13 PM  
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Officer Bubbles also fears popcorn.
 
2014-01-15 01:15:15 PM  
Wait... there are honestly and truly people in this thread defending the piece of subhuman filth who was texting in a movie theater?

Are you all just being ironic and edgy, or are you serious about this?
 
2014-01-15 01:15:38 PM  

Chummer45: The only way for ANYONE in this country to be safe is if we ALL walk with guns loaded, drawn, and sighted on anything that moves or might be a threat.

That would virtually eliminate all crime in this country.



No it wouldn't...it would just redfine it.
 
2014-01-15 01:15:45 PM  

Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.


Two douchebags are now permanently removed from society.  It's a process.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:04 PM  
Valid justification for self defense with a firearm-- A flurry of fists upon your face MMA style.

Invalid justification for self defense with a firearm-- A flurry of popcorn upon your face.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:32 PM  

The Larch: redmid17: The Larch: spiderpaz: The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

If you think texting during the previews is OK, I hope someone shoots you and kills you.

If you look at the big bright screen in front of you, you generally don't notice things like that. And seriously it's the previews.

If someone is texting during the movie and it's bothering you, by all means get the manager. They probably won't do anything, but they might.

Seriously?   You think texting in a movie theater is OK?   You're a piece of human garbage.  Stop being garbage.


Yes mostly because most people texting in a movie theater are outside of the auditorium. I leave my phone on silent in my pocket. I guess I'm an adult who doesn't quiver with rage every time someone doesn't adhere to every social norm. I rarely see/hear people texting when I go to a movie and I see one generally around once a month. I realize it bothers people -- that's why I don't do it -- but go get a manager. Like I said, they probably won't do anything. If it *really* bothers you that much, go to a place that actually kicks people out for doing it. If you don't, you're just reinforcing the view that it's not really that big of a deal.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:34 PM  
I'll bet if he threw skittles that most of the people in this thread would be on different sides than they are.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:46 PM  

deanis: mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.

How farked up is your life if someone throwing popcorn at you makes you "long" to shoot them? Grow up farkwads, have some self control.


That's pretty much standard Southern man reaction. It's not the popcorn; it's the lack of respect for my potential deadliness. Spitting on me would draw the same reaction. We're raised like that. Insult to honor = physical assault.

/I've pretty much grown out of it, but I UNDERSTAND.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:50 PM  

vpb: It will probably work.


He does have a strong defense for the Florida stand your ground law. Are you afraid? Shoot.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:52 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Don't laugh.  I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday.  I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds.  The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.


Trivia Jockey: rotsky: Trivia Jockey: The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.

General Reddenbocker's troops were exhausted, but determined.

It was a damned pressure cooker down in there, I'm telling you.


It's always good to meet a Vet from that day, regardless of the side you were on...  Do you still hear the melting butter?
 
2014-01-15 01:17:04 PM  

The Larch: there are honestly and truly people in this thread defending the piece of subhuman filth who was texting in a movie theater?


In the context of "people who deserve to get shot to death", yes, we are defending him.

This isn't a referendum on texting in movie theaters.  It's a referendum on not shooting people who do annoying, rude things.
 
2014-01-15 01:17:20 PM  
Latinwolf:  And also a basement dweller would have been my further guess.

Texas doesn't have many basements, quiz-kid.
 
2014-01-15 01:17:32 PM  

ginko: He's an old bully who is accused of harrassing other movie patrons with his pet peeve (CNN's top headline now). He got in someone's face after he couldn't get him thrown out (left the theater in a huff, returned in a huff without an employee) and pisses off the victim. Victim stands up for himself, throws popcorn and old man shoots, hitting both the wife and the husband.

This all happened during the previews. The movie was not even running yet. Guy had a big chip on his shoulder and panics when someone doesn't cower to his badge-less posturing. Charge him with murder and attempted murder, take away his toys and lock him up. Then throw more popcorn at him.


And this was not the first person this dude tried to mess with, FTA:

At one point, prosecutor Manny Garcia told the judge that after Monday's shooting, a woman had come forward to describe an incident at the same movie house in the town of Wesley Chapel last month.
"She was at the Cobb movie theater when she was confronted by the defendant for texting," Garcia reported.
Garcia said that the 6-foot-1, 275 pound Reeves had even trailed the woman when she went to the ladies room in the midst of the movie.
"He was glaring at her the entire time," Garcia reported to the judge.

 
Sounds like this guy wasn't wrapped too tight, but it doesn't stop the gun nuts from making excuses for this guy.
 
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