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(The Daily Beast)   The lawyer for the ex-cop who shot and killed a man in a Florida movie theater may use the Stand Your Ground defense because the victim "threw an unknown object" at the defendant. That "object?" It was likely popcorn   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 1007
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2014-01-15 12:31:39 PM  

Confabulat: If being annoying was basis for murder I never would have made it out of my teens.


Trayvon Martin said the same thing
 
2014-01-15 12:32:09 PM  
How mentally unstable are you if getting pelted with popcorn warrants killing a man?  If you agree with what this man dead, you too are too mentally unstable to own, much less use, a firearm.
 
2014-01-15 12:33:14 PM  

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


What's your point?
 
2014-01-15 12:33:20 PM  
farking_texan


Here's a novel idea : both of these guys are assholes. One asshole killed the other. One less asshole, and one more in jail.


I am sure it was a mutual asshole exchange but I am pretty sure shooting asshole way overreacted.
 
2014-01-15 12:34:12 PM  
I think the big issue we're all missing is did Popcorn Dad finish sending his text?
 
2014-01-15 12:34:16 PM  

bacongood: Theaetetus: bacongood: I can't wait for later news to report that the tossed object was something potentially dangerous (cell phone), but everyone still claiming it was merely popcorn.

Not saying it would justify self defense, but it is amazing how people will cling to the initial reports as fact even when actual evidence is presented.

Some old guy is ranting at you for texting, so you'd throw your expensive and easily breakable cellphone at him, rather than the disposable and cheap popcorn at hand? Seems unlikely.

Two days ago, I would have said that was far more likely than someone shooting someone else for throwing popcorn.

You also assume he has a nice phone, maybe he rolls with an old school flip phone.

But the point is, all we have is the "it may have been popcorn".  It may turn out to have only been popcorn, it may not.  But regardless of what it turns out to be, everyone will always says it was popcorn. Just like Stand Your Ground has nothing to do with certain cases, it continues to get brought up.


What if it were Skittles?   Wouldn't THAT be entertaining.
 
2014-01-15 12:34:19 PM  

vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.


...so, if you're schizophrenic and the voices in your head tell you that you're in danger (and you truly believe that), then all is absolved?
 
2014-01-15 12:35:13 PM  

Doc Daneeka: This is yet another case that shows the sheer insanity of the idea that people carrying concealed weapons everywhere "for self-defense" makes society safer.

If we lived in a country with sensible gun control stories like these would be absolutely unthinkable.


I'll go ahead and repeat myself.
 
2014-01-15 12:35:24 PM  
yeah, not going to work.  Go directly to jail jerk...
 
2014-01-15 12:36:02 PM  

cervier: A grown ass-man



imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-01-15 12:36:36 PM  
1. white people problems lolz!
2. so the victim's wife is back on the market?  she gonna be oprah rich before this is over.
 
2014-01-15 12:36:36 PM  
An armed society is a polite society my ass.
 
2014-01-15 12:36:39 PM  

moike: I think the big issue we're all missing is did Popcorn Dad finish sending his text?


"Got shot by old dude lol, he was totes pissed"
 
2014-01-15 12:36:45 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I told you that it would happen. They need to test the father for marijuana.


He was making popcorn heroin.

It seems in Florida under stand your ground, you can go around starting confrontations with people and when they don't go the way you want it to go, you can shoot your way out of it.
 
2014-01-15 12:37:34 PM  

gilgigamesh: I have to admit that in some bleaker moments of poverty, in those darkest "hey, what's the worst that couId happen" musings, I seriously considered tapping off some of that free "butter" for the Dasher when I would have to choose between food or a few quarts of 10W40.


My retirement grease!
 
2014-01-15 12:37:37 PM  

farking_texan: Texting in a movie theater is everyone's business. Turn it off or take it outside, period.


Not before the movie, buddy. And you don't get to impose your will on me just because you carry a piece. fark you. During the movie it is an issue for management, not you. Mind your own damn business.
 
2014-01-15 12:37:41 PM  
The "stand your ground" thing is working fabulously. And I can understand why it was so necessary. How else are hysterical, easily frightened people with Dirty Harry delusions supposed to get away with killing people who bother them? I mean, before this landmark legislation, such a person might have thought twice about blowing away an unarmed person who had the temerity to be black or use a phone in a theater.

Now, all you have to do is claim you were afraid when you opened fire on someone with no way to defend themselves. No big deal.

Good job, Floriduh legislature.
 
2014-01-15 12:37:47 PM  

vudukungfu: In lieu of popcorn, we will be passing out guns to all participants in this thread.


Mmmmm....buttered guns.......
 
2014-01-15 12:38:49 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Don't laugh.  I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday.  I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds.  The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.


Think of all the old maidens who never made it. :(

/Kernel in the popcorn army
 
2014-01-15 12:38:56 PM  
Obviously the cop should go to jail and so sad for the dead guys family (even if he was an arsehole).....but it is ironic how many times in the theater I have wished I could shoot people who:

text / check their mail / play games on their phone/device
take ten minutes to open their candy in the noisiest way possible
eat their popcorn in a way that sounds like a pig gobbling crunchy slop
lift their straw in and out making that awful plastic on plastic screeching sound
kick the back of your seat
sit in front of you in a virtually empty theater
sit behind you in a virtually empty theater
Talk in a "whisper" that is loud enough to echo
Laugh like a hyena
Let their kids do any of the above
Let their kids run up and down the aisle

I am sure I can think of more if you give me time.

Just sayin'
 
2014-01-15 12:39:57 PM  

farking_texan: unexplained bacon: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

Yes the tragedy here is that someone might have been an annoying asshat at a movie theater.

It's very telling that you barely acknowledge the murder but you seem pretty pissed about texting during a movie.

/you wouldn't happen to own a gun now would you?

I'm sorry, do you need me to explain that I believe murder is wrong?  Hey, murder is wrong.  The murder is an asshole.  OK?

I own one antique rifle that I purchased almost 10 years ago and have never fired.  Is that ok with you?


Oh I see
You didn't have anything to say about the guy who killed someone at a movie theater because everyone knows that's bad.
You just wanted to make sure everyone was aware that some people get annoyed at people who text at the movies.

Now I get it.

I suppose you can keep your gun.
 
2014-01-15 12:40:32 PM  

serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.


Apparently, douches can marry good looking white women.
 
2014-01-15 12:40:37 PM  
It's the Florida way, you pull out popcorn and they pull out a gun
 
2014-01-15 12:41:20 PM  

jshine: cervier: A grown ass-man

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x342]


me too
 
2014-01-15 12:42:10 PM  
I was a police officer at one time, I know full well the responsibility of carrying a handgun, that's why I don't carry one now, obviously this knucklehead never learned
 
2014-01-15 12:42:57 PM  
Maybe he wanted to get away from his wife and this was the only way?
 
2014-01-15 12:43:08 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.

Apparently, douches can marry good looking white women.


Yes, but only young black men in hoodies can look threatening.
 
2014-01-15 12:43:41 PM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

"active and retired.  "

You do realize that the *shooter*  was a retired cop, yes?

 
2014-01-15 12:43:42 PM  

jshine: cervier: A grown ass-man


[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x342]


While I enjoy the XKCD reference, your attribution of the "grown ass-man" quote to me is incorrect.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:07 PM  

kbronsito: My take on this... the retired cop was in his 70s but he still wants to be a tough guy and start shiat with people in the street. But a younger guy can really hurt him, so he need his gun. So you see, without a gun he wouldn't feel comfortable acting like a tough and picking fights in public. And isn't protecting his right to do that worth a few lives here or there?


On the other hand, the young guy can see the old fart is no threat, and tell him to go pound sand and he will use his phone all he wants after the lights go dim.
So he whipped out the extra asshole juice. and called him a pussy for getting managment and decided to buck up.

He couldnt beleive he got shot.  He thought he could get in someones face all he wanted in a theater.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:10 PM  

Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society

my ass  my-ass.


Sorry. Pet peeve.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:11 PM  

Madbassist1: farking_texan: Texting in a movie theater is everyone's business. Turn it off or take it outside, period.

Not before the movie, buddy. And you don't get to impose your will on me just because you carry a piece. fark you. During the movie it is an issue for management, not you. Mind your own damn business.



This is the problem with the gun culture.  It give dudes the illusion of empowerment, by arming them with a deadly weapon.  So all of the sudden, what should have been at most, a fist fight, turns into a deadly altercation.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:12 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: The "stand your ground" thing is working fabulously. And I can understand why it was so necessary. How else are hysterical, easily frightened people with Dirty Harry delusions supposed to get away with killing people who bother them? I mean, before this landmark legislation, such a person might have thought twice about blowing away an unarmed person who had the temerity to be black or use a phone in a theater.

Now, all you have to do is claim you were afraid when you opened fire on someone with no way to defend themselves. No big deal.

Good job, Floriduh legislature.


Super_pope:

The Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act, which allows all retired law enforcement at every level of government to carry concealed weapons anywhere, with no oversight, was reauthorized and expanded twice by President Obama.  It's OK to exempt active and retired law enforcement from any and all gun control, even though cops are much more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, and be involved in domestic violence, but a national concealed carry program for people who want to undergo training and a background check?  Out of the question.

LEOSA is a federal law that allows retired law enforcement to carry concealed weapons, with no oversight, anywhere, and invalidates local prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons.  It was passed via unanimous consent in the Senate in 2004 and signed into law by President Bush.  It has since been reauthorized and expanded twice by President Obama.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:33 PM  

Girl On Couch: Mmmmm....buttered guns.......


And a salted.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:55 PM  
Remove the ex-cop's eyelids so he is forced to watch as every one of his loved ones is skinned alive in front of him.  And, when the entire gene-pool is eliminated, force the evil prick to kill himself with the jagged bones of his once beloved family.
 
2014-01-15 12:45:02 PM  

Fissile: This guy has a history of confronting people in movie theaters http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-woman-alleged-theate r -shooter-confronted-texting-3-weeks-article-1.1580192


What's his Fark handle?
 
2014-01-15 12:45:07 PM  
I'm pretty sure that murdering a guy is going to ruin the movie experience a lot more that texting during the previews.
 
2014-01-15 12:45:42 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Oh shut the fark up.  It's bad enough having to read about so many completely unnecessary and tragic shooting deaths in this country, without always having to also see the pro-gun farkers pop ino every thread with their two bits.

Another child growing up without a father, all because this country is absolutely looney about guns.

This is yet another case that shows the sheer insanity of the idea that people carrying concealed weapons everywhere "for self-defense" makes society safer.

If we lived in a country with sensible gun control stories like these would be absolutely unthinkable.


See, you are dead wrong.  If the man who was killed had been armed and SHOT the old guy instead of just throwing popcorn at he, he would still be alive today.

Why do I even have to point out this logical bit of info?  He's dead because he was NOT ARMED!
 
2014-01-15 12:45:48 PM  
This shiat would not have happened if the old man just stayed in the car.
 
2014-01-15 12:46:25 PM  
At one point, prosecutor Manny Garcia told the judge that after Monday's shooting, a woman had come forward to describe an incident at the same movie house in the town of Wesley Chapel last month.
"She was at the Cobb movie theater when she was confronted by the defendant for texting," Garcia reported.
Garcia said that the 6-foot-1, 275 pound Reeves had even trailed the woman when she went to the ladies room in the midst of the movie.
"He was glaring at her the entire time," Garcia reported to the judge.


sounds like the old man had an authority complex. this is known as Zimmerman syndrome.
 
2014-01-15 12:46:39 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: kbronsito: My take on this... the retired cop was in his 70s but he still wants to be a tough guy and start shiat with people in the street. But a younger guy can really hurt him, so he need his gun. So you see, without a gun he wouldn't feel comfortable acting like a tough and picking fights in public. And isn't protecting his right to do that worth a few lives here or there?

On the other hand, the young guy can see the old fart is no threat, and tell him to go pound sand and he will use his phone all he wants after the lights go dim.
So he whipped out the extra asshole juice. and called him a pussy for getting managment and decided to buck up.

He couldnt beleive he got shot.  He thought he could get in someones face all he wanted in a theater.



So... the way to deal with someone being an asshole is to murder them.  got it.
 
2014-01-15 12:46:48 PM  
I'm a grown man and I complain on the internet about life's minor inconveniences as if it were important.
 
2014-01-15 12:47:02 PM  
Good thing it wasn't fried chicken.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-15 12:47:20 PM  

Nabb1: Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.

That shiat they put on movie popcorn is not butter. It's like an industrial lubricant made out of the most powerful cholesterol known to man.


Drippings from Roseanne Barr's folds?
 
2014-01-15 12:47:27 PM  
"ugly specter of Stand Your Ground."

What is that supposed to mean? Stand Your Ground has saved tons of people's lives and I have never heard of it being used successfully as a defense for an unjustified shooting.

And don't mention Zimmerman, because Stand Your Ground was never a part of that case.
 
2014-01-15 12:47:38 PM  
The first article I read on this shooting reported that after the gentleman doing the texting rebuffed the idiot who shot him, the idiot went out to his car to get his gun.  This made it premeditated murder.  The ex-cop, aka idiot, should be ashamed of himself for the evil that he has done.
 
2014-01-15 12:48:22 PM  

Turbo Cojones: Doc Daneeka: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Oh shut the fark up.  It's bad enough having to read about so many completely unnecessary and tragic shooting deaths in this country, without always having to also see the pro-gun farkers pop ino every thread with their two bits.

Another child growing up without a father, all because this country is absolutely looney about guns.

This is yet another case that shows the sheer insanity of the idea that people carrying concealed weapons everywhere "for self-defense" makes society safer.

If we lived in a country with sensible gun control stories like these would be absolutely unthinkable.

See, you are dead wrong.  If the man who was killed had been armed and SHOT the old guy instead of just throwing popcorn at he, he would still be alive today.

Why do I even have to point out this logical bit of info?  He's dead because he was NOT ARMED!


And if every other person in the theater was armed (as they should have been), then nobody would have been killed!
 
2014-01-15 12:48:34 PM  

serial_crusher: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The movie theater had a "no guns" policy, so I'm not sure what this has to do with people who carry legally.


If true, then it's case closed. As much as I hate these policies, they do (generally) have the force of law, so if he drew his weapon in a place he was not allowed to have it, there is no affirmative defense.
 
2014-01-15 12:49:06 PM  
My neighbor is a retired cop, and he's never not packing.
 
2014-01-15 12:49:17 PM  

arentol: "ugly specter of Stand Your Ground."

What is that supposed to mean? Stand Your Ground has saved tons of people's lives and I have never heard of it being used successfully as a defense for an unjustified shooting.

And don't mention Zimmerman, because Stand Your Ground was never a part of that case.


A ton of people would only be ten or fifteen people.
 
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