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(The Daily Beast)   The lawyer for the ex-cop who shot and killed a man in a Florida movie theater may use the Stand Your Ground defense because the victim "threw an unknown object" at the defendant. That "object?" It was likely popcorn   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 1007
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2014-01-15 12:14:17 PM
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Can't believe this hasnt been posted yet
 
2014-01-15 12:14:54 PM
I hope the senile old bat spends the rest of his life behind bars.

There is now a three year old girl whose father was killed trying to check up on her.

And for what? Because some old excop was angry he couldn't order people around anymore?

/I hope the inmates throw pop corn at him daily while the guards text about it.
 
2014-01-15 12:15:35 PM
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2014-01-15 12:16:25 PM

serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.


Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


We have some beautiful, beautiful work in this thread. Looks like people are bringing their A-game.
 
2014-01-15 12:16:48 PM

xanadian: Begoggle: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

10/10
I like how you have as many "smart" votes as "funny" votes.

Yeah, that post was a thing of beauty, and got a lot of bites.


In fact, my posting was an attempt to employ the technique known as "sarcasm", with no intention of it being interpreted as a sincere sentiment or expression of belief. Evidently, I have yet to master this technique.

This may delay our plans for conquering humanity.
 
2014-01-15 12:17:29 PM
Farkin_Crazy:

7. A grown-ass man shoots you after not following 1-6. Hero to all Texans.

You don't know shiat about me.  This cop is not my hero.  I hope he goes to jail for a long damn time.
 
2014-01-15 12:18:54 PM

Onkel Buck: DROxINxTHExWIND: Onkel Buck: LeroyBourne: So this is the zimmerman2.0.  I can't wait for the circus trial.

Gonna be hard for the media to make this a racial witch hunt with two creepy as crackers being involved.


Gonna be even harder for you bigots to decide who to root for.

The white guy! Duh!


The media will show pictures of the aggressor (when referring to him) and old frail man sitting alone in the park feeding ducks and other birds anything but pop corn, maybe day old bread.
 
2014-01-15 12:19:07 PM

LeroyBourne: I joked about this when the CO Batman shooting happened, about how we should have 'theater marshals.'  Now it doesn't sound like a bad idea.



No. Its still a horrible idea. You were right to second guess it.
 
2014-01-15 12:19:13 PM
Now waiting for Lone Survivor producers to offer Nicole Oulson a deal to use her story to help promote their film . . .
 
2014-01-15 12:20:01 PM

FlashHarry: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Even if the old dude goes to jail, is justice really served? He's 70 and retired, his life is basically over anyway.

are you farking kidding me?  you don't get to murder people just because you turn 70.


Huh? How on earth did you get that from my post?
 
2014-01-15 12:20:27 PM

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


This was great Pro-AM quality for sure. 7.89/10. One point deducted for not getting away with an obvious trigger word but one point awarded for 93.5% event recap distortion in a believable way.

the guild may- MAY have a letter for you in the morning. No promises, but keep up the good work.
 
2014-01-15 12:20:38 PM
Pretty sure you don't get to "stand your ground" when carrying unlawfully.
 
2014-01-15 12:20:41 PM

LeroyBourne: Onkel Buck: DROxINxTHExWIND: Onkel Buck: LeroyBourne: So this is the zimmerman2.0.  I can't wait for the circus trial.

Gonna be hard for the media to make this a racial witch hunt with two creepy as crackers being involved.


Gonna be even harder for you bigots to decide who to root for.

The white guy! Duh!

The media will show pictures of the aggressor (when referring to him) and old frail man sitting alone in the park feeding ducks and other birds anything but pop corn, maybe day old bread.



I'm trying to figure out what's taking you all so long to come to your conclusion that the dead guy was at fault. It was instantaneous in the other case.
 
2014-01-15 12:20:44 PM
Popcorn, fist or a baseball bat... It's all assault.... Fark him... turn off your farking cell phones you inconsiderate bastards.
 
2014-01-15 12:20:46 PM

brap: Was the other guy charged with A salt and Buttery?


Thats just corny
 
2014-01-15 12:21:12 PM

I_Am_Weasel: He had no choice.

The retired cop was only a captain, he was forced into shooting by a Colonel.

/It doesn't translate as well in print.


I hear what you did there.
 
2014-01-15 12:22:07 PM
The only thing more annoying than someone texting in a movie theater is someone firing their gun in a movie theater.
 
2014-01-15 12:22:45 PM
Here's a novel idea : both of these guys are assholes.  One asshole killed the other.  One less asshole, and one more in jail.
 
2014-01-15 12:22:47 PM
So we've got this guy who shot somebody because they were texting during a movie, the guy doing the texting throwing something like a bag of popcorn bag at the first guy and then being shot by the first guy who is now being held on assault charges and his lawyer is claiming "stand your ground"? Is that what this is all about?

Is it too soon to start talking about dumbass control?

/the shooter
//not the victim
 
2014-01-15 12:23:25 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: LeroyBourne: I joked about this when the CO Batman shooting happened, about how we should have 'theater marshals.'  Now it doesn't sound like a bad idea.


No. Its still a horrible idea. You were right to second guess it.


Think about it.  The Marshal would lay down roll around in the discarded popcorn boxes, gum and other trash a sort of 'movie theater ghillie suit.'
 
2014-01-15 12:23:31 PM
How long until someone claims the gun was acquired illegally?

Because everyone knows that  only illegal guns are used to commit murder... right?
 
2014-01-15 12:23:39 PM
This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.
 
2014-01-15 12:25:12 PM
Where will the prosecution find jurors that have never been to a movie?!
 
2014-01-15 12:25:38 PM

mbillips: The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it


Ending a life is a pretty big and overriding fault dude.

/and it's obviously 2 faults if he couldn;t use it correctly
 
2014-01-15 12:26:22 PM

TheYeti: Where will the prosecution find jurors that have never been to a movie?!


The jury must be composed of the accused's peers. As such, the prosecutor must find jurors who are retired police chiefs with anger management issues.
 
2014-01-15 12:26:26 PM

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


Yes the tragedy here is that someone might have been an annoying asshat at a movie theater.

It's very telling that you barely acknowledge the murder but you seem pretty pissed about texting during a movie.

/you wouldn't happen to own a gun now would you?
 
2014-01-15 12:26:57 PM
They throw popcorn at one of yours, you put one of theirs in the morgue.  That's the Florida way!
 
2014-01-15 12:27:08 PM
I bet if Obama had a son, he'd look  like Chad Wayne Oulsen.
 
2014-01-15 12:27:30 PM
Farking idiot.

/ Floriduh: shoot first, ask questions later.
 
2014-01-15 12:27:48 PM

mbillips: The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it.


Did you miss the part where he was stalking around behind a woman who had texted at the theater until she hid in the bathroom to get away from the angry old cuss? And did you miss that the guy was texting with his daycare provider and not his kid?

Seems you've overlooked some key facts to take your  unpopular position on this. Maybe you ought to go re-read the article and make sure you actually understand the facts presented before you form an opinion?
 
2014-01-15 12:28:07 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: mbillips: The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it

Ending a life is a pretty big and overriding fault dude.

/and it's obviously 2 faults if he couldn;t use it correctly


Furthermore, the dead father was texting the babysitter, not his three year-old. The texting was during the previews, and the old bastard was involved in a previous incident at the theater where he intimidated a female who was texting.
 
2014-01-15 12:28:27 PM

serial_crusher: The movie theater had a "no guns" policy, so I'm not sure what this has to do with people who carry legally.


So you're telling me that carriers don't always abide by the signs hanging on the front of business establishments?

It's too bad we didn't have one of these renegade badasses at the Century theater in Aurora. Oh wait, I forgot: Holmes presented a genuine threat to life and limb so there was no chance one of these pussies would have done anything (or more appropriately, none of those pussies DID anything, seeing that it was Colorado).
 
2014-01-15 12:28:31 PM

Nabb1: farking_texan: Your handle doesn't surprise me, either. Bass players are notoriously thick-headed, and many of them are assholes.

Whoah, ease up there, Tex. Are you a drummer or something?


bass player
 
2014-01-15 12:28:38 PM

Danger Mouse: I bet if Obama had a son, he'd look  like Chad Wayne Oulsen.


I bet if Corky had a son, he'd type like you.
 
2014-01-15 12:29:10 PM
If being annoying was basis for murder I never would have made it out of my teens.
 
2014-01-15 12:29:30 PM

mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.


So the couple that the crazy guy yelled at a week earlier were also entitled pricks?
 
2014-01-15 12:29:49 PM

mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them. have some self control.


Everything that you said except what I FFY.
 
2014-01-15 12:29:49 PM

mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.


I already tried this, but with less explanation.  Everyone else here has decided that i'm wrong, just a gun-crazy Texas cowboy.
 
2014-01-15 12:29:53 PM

Theaetetus: bacongood: I can't wait for later news to report that the tossed object was something potentially dangerous (cell phone), but everyone still claiming it was merely popcorn.

Not saying it would justify self defense, but it is amazing how people will cling to the initial reports as fact even when actual evidence is presented.

Some old guy is ranting at you for texting, so you'd throw your expensive and easily breakable cellphone at him, rather than the disposable and cheap popcorn at hand? Seems unlikely.


Two days ago, I would have said that was far more likely than someone shooting someone else for throwing popcorn.

You also assume he has a nice phone, maybe he rolls with an old school flip phone.

But the point is, all we have is the "it may have been popcorn".  It may turn out to have only been popcorn, it may not.  But regardless of what it turns out to be, everyone will always says it was popcorn. Just like Stand Your Ground has nothing to do with certain cases, it continues to get brought up.
 
2014-01-15 12:30:15 PM
hate to break it to you optimistic libs but the law Stand Your Ground legalized murder in Florida and all you gotta do to use it is prove you were scared for your life "back in '98 we breached a drug dealer's house and they were eating popcorn so I had a flashback and thought my life was on the line" the end not guilty too bad
 
2014-01-15 12:30:26 PM
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I hate popcorn
 
2014-01-15 12:30:32 PM

Blues_X: mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.

So the couple that the crazy guy yelled at a week earlier were also entitled pricks?


Of course they were. They texted too. I mean, don;t you understand, it is totally okay for someone ELSE to murder someone who does something you don;t like.
 
2014-01-15 12:30:38 PM

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Oh shut the fark up.  It's bad enough having to read about so many completely unnecessary and tragic shooting deaths in this country, without always having to also see the pro-gun farkers pop ino every thread with their two bits.

Another child growing up without a father, all because this country is absolutely looney about guns.

This is yet another case that shows the sheer insanity of the idea that people carrying concealed weapons everywhere "for self-defense" makes society safer.

If we lived in a country with sensible gun control stories like these would be absolutely unthinkable.
 
2014-01-15 12:30:40 PM

brap: Was the other guy charged with A salt and Buttery?


www.replikultes.net

You're reading miranda to a corpse.
 
2014-01-15 12:30:53 PM
The lawyer can cause some reasonable doubt with some well placed, "My client is 71, and suffers from slight dementia.."   Add that to SYG, and all of a sudden, it's the state's fault for not revoking his CCW...
 
2014-01-15 12:31:04 PM

bacongood: I can't wait for later news to report that the tossed object was something potentially dangerous (cell phone), but everyone still claiming it was merely popcorn.

Not saying it would justify self defense, but it is amazing how people will cling to the initial reports as fact even when actual evidence is presented.


Do you not see the irony in posting that, considering everything you wrote is utterly baseless speculation?

And yet you believe it, while mocking others for taken eyewitness' accounts as credible?

You're a special kind of "special".
 
2014-01-15 12:31:15 PM

Trivia Jockey: DrPainMD: Trivia Jockey: Don't laugh.  I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday.  I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds.  The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.

I'll never get over Canola Valley.


I hear ya, man.  During the carpet salting campaign, I lost several good friends.


Manfred von Redenbacher shot down two of my squadron-mates.

I'LL GET YOU, KORN BARON!!!
 
2014-01-15 12:31:19 PM

mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.


Texting about a three year old does not equal texting a three year old.

The shooter confronted the texter for texting during previews.  During previews.  This is often before they even advise you to turn off your phone.

Yes, the dead guy didn't have to confront the shooter, but he was probably incredulous that someone was making a big deal about texting during previews.

The old guys one fault was shooting someone dead when they were in no physical danger due to a confrontation that started because they got bent out of shape that someone was texting during previews.

There is no defending his actions.
 
2014-01-15 12:31:25 PM

unexplained bacon: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

Yes the tragedy here is that someone might have been an annoying asshat at a movie theater.

It's very telling that you barely acknowledge the murder but you seem pretty pissed about texting during a movie.

/you wouldn't happen to own a gun now would you?


I'm sorry, do you need me to explain that I believe murder is wrong?  Hey, murder is wrong.  The murder is an asshole.  OK?

I own one antique rifle that I purchased almost 10 years ago and have never fired.  Is that ok with you?
 
2014-01-15 12:31:38 PM

JohnnyC: mbillips: The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it.

Did you miss the part where he was stalking around behind a woman who had texted at the theater until she hid in the bathroom to get away from the angry old cuss? And did you miss that the guy was texting with his daycare provider and not his kid?

Seems you've overlooked some key facts to take your  unpopular position on this. Maybe you ought to go re-read the article and make sure you actually understand the facts presented before you form an opinion?


Ouch; that hurt just watching it.  Use lotion next time.
 
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