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(The Daily Beast)   The lawyer for the ex-cop who shot and killed a man in a Florida movie theater may use the Stand Your Ground defense because the victim "threw an unknown object" at the defendant. That "object?" It was likely popcorn   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 1007
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2014-01-15 11:15:03 AM  
In lieu of popcorn, we will be passing out guns to all participants in this thread.
 
2014-01-15 11:16:10 AM  

Nabb1: Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.

That shiat they put on movie popcorn is not butter. It's like an industrial lubricant made out of the most powerful cholesterol known to man.


I worked at a movie theatre as a poor college student. Had a '77 Dasher that burned oil like a motherfarker.

I have to admit that in some bleaker moments of poverty, in those darkest "hey, what's the worst that couId happen" musings, I seriously considered tapping off some of that free "butter" for the Dasher when I would have to choose between food or a few quarts of 10W40.

But eating the stuff? Never once got that desperate.
 
2014-01-15 11:18:56 AM  

kbronsito: Also victim is a clean-cut white guy. That really doesn't help the defense's case. Maybe if he had some tattoos or a long hair they'd have a case.


And his now-fatherless toddler is freaking adorable.  That'll be good for another five years at sentencing time.
 
2014-01-15 11:23:55 AM  
Good thing he didn't fire a warning shot in the air. He'd be hosed.
 
2014-01-15 11:25:12 AM  

vudukungfu: In lieu of popcorn, we will be passing out guns to all participants in this thread.


Can I supersize mine to a bazooka?
 
2014-01-15 11:25:51 AM  
We need stricter movie theater laws.
 
2014-01-15 11:29:32 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


He was retired iirc
 
2014-01-15 11:29:34 AM  

edmo: Good thing he didn't fire a warning shot in the air. He'd be hosed.


well, that and he's not a black woman.
 
2014-01-15 11:30:31 AM  
I should read the thread before posting.
 
2014-01-15 11:31:38 AM  

vernonFL: I should read the thread before posting.


Why start now?  You might spook people into a trend.
 
2014-01-15 11:34:56 AM  
Suspect: "They were coming right for me"
Florida:  "Good enough for me, let 'em go Lou."
 
2014-01-15 11:35:22 AM  
At least he wasn't talking at the screen like *SOME* people do....

/you know. *you* people.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 11:35:36 AM  

factoryconnection: Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.

Oh, that is correct as well.


Not really.  He didn't try to invoke the immunity in SYG, but "Stand Your Ground" changed the standards for self defense as well.  It eliminates any requirement to retreat.
 
2014-01-15 11:36:53 AM  
www.reactiongifs.us
 
2014-01-15 11:37:19 AM  
Welcome to America.

The death penalty applies for every crime, from attempting to ask direction while black to throwing popcorn in a movie theatre.

But you can't kill a fetus the size of a pin head even if it almost certainly will cost the life of the mother-to-be or was produced by incestuous father-daughter rape and will certainly be a miserable shameful inbred misfit and cause of misery and crime for life.

Because that would be murder.
 
2014-01-15 11:37:28 AM  
Well.. to be fair, buttered popcorn probably kills more people every day in the US than guns do.
 
2014-01-15 11:37:45 AM  

vpb: It will probably work.


Actually no, stand your ground only works, if it is reasonable for the person to believe his life is in danger, and you are lawfully about your business.  Throwing a tub of popcorn would not be reasonable.

This guy being an ex-cop, also actually works against him.  It will be assumed that he has a higher level of training and restraint.  IE, he was trained to fight with his fist, and could be reasonably expected to defend himself, without using a firearm, unless the other guy was built like a heavyweight boxer, and the ex-cop had some medical condition that would make a prolonged fight a life threatening affair for himself.

Happen to be an ex-Florida cop myself.  Still haven't shot anyone in a movie theater, yet.
 
2014-01-15 11:37:52 AM  

vpb: factoryconnection: Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.

Oh, that is correct as well.

Not really.  He didn't try to invoke the immunity in SYG, but "Stand Your Ground" changed the standards for self defense as well.  It eliminates any requirement to retreat.


Hard to retreat when someone has you on the ground and is giving you the business...
 
2014-01-15 11:38:40 AM  
This courageous armed man saved the entire theatre with his weapon!

/From texting during the movie.
 
2014-01-15 11:38:51 AM  
Eh, we told you so. Pretend like you care.
 
2014-01-15 11:39:01 AM  

FlashHarry: serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.

you mean the victim didn't look like a black kid in a hoodie?


In his defense, it was dark, and the victim was talking at a movie, so he probably thought the victim was black.
 
2014-01-15 11:39:58 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Can I participate in the dogpile on you too, or are you good?
 
2014-01-15 11:40:03 AM  
Or it was a BOMB.  You don't know until after you shoot the guy in the face and then look.
 
2014-01-15 11:40:44 AM  

Nabb1: Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.

That shiat they put on movie popcorn is not butter. It's like an industrial lubricant made out of the most powerful cholesterol known to man.


But it's oh so yummy :)
 
2014-01-15 11:40:46 AM  

akya: This courageous armed man saved the entire theatre with his weapon!

/From texting during the movie.


Actually I don't think the movie hadn't started. Apparently this all happened during the previews.
I wonder if the movie theater warning about not using cell phones had already been shown before it all went down.
 
2014-01-15 11:40:50 AM  
Obviously he was a good guy because good guys with guns always win.
 
2014-01-15 11:40:53 AM  
NEWSFLASH !!!   Cops kill people who make them angry.

...we now return you to your regularly scheduled ham fap.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:11 AM  
 
2014-01-15 11:41:19 AM  

vpb: factoryconnection: Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.

Oh, that is correct as well.

Not really.  He didn't try to invoke the immunity in SYG, but "Stand Your Ground" changed the standards for self defense as well.  It eliminates any requirement to retreat.


As Mr. Zimmerman's defense included the claim that he was pinned on his back on the sidewalk and thus physically unable to retreat, and as the prosecution admitted an inability to disprove that claim, Mr. Zimmerman's defense would have been unchanged even if Florida law had explicitly mandated a "duty to retreat".

/Fun fact: a failed effort to supposedly repeal the "stand your ground" statute would not actually have repealed the "stand your ground" statute; it would have instead modified the state's "castle doctrine", while leaving the explicit declaration that no "duty to retreat" is imposed on an individual using deadly force in any location intact.
//The text of the proposed bill.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:20 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Did you even read the head line? He was a retired cop.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:21 AM  
I can't wait for later news to report that the tossed object was something potentially dangerous (cell phone), but everyone still claiming it was merely popcorn.

Not saying it would justify self defense, but it is amazing how people will cling to the initial reports as fact even when actual evidence is presented.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:22 AM  

FlashHarry: i wonder what they'll do to him in prison.


As if he was going to be sentenced to prison. The absolute worst he will face is probation with some BS line from the judge about his age making prison inappropriate.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:39 AM  
A Milk Dud can put an eye out.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:54 AM  

miss diminutive: vudukungfu: In lieu of popcorn, we will be passing out guns to all participants in this thread.

Can I supersize mine to a bazooka?


can I get the rocket launcher upsize?
 
2014-01-15 11:41:55 AM  
I guess Subby is one of the lucky few who have never felt the PTSD-inducing pain of popcorn pedicel caught between the tooth and gum.

The warrior culture understands the unbridled violence that pours from this dental hell.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:57 AM  
Such a sad story. Even if the old dude goes to jail, is justice really served? He's 70 and retired, his life is basically over anyway.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:59 AM  

lennavan: Or it was a BOMB.  You don't know until after you shoot the guy in the face and then look.


Especially when you are a SWAT team veteran, nobody could think you would have any reason to be able to assess the threat.
 
2014-01-15 11:42:01 AM  

Fubini: I bet this guy had a stress-induced flashback, 'Nam style. Had to get the perp.


gunsandtacos.com
 
2014-01-15 11:42:07 AM  

Dimensio: Generation_D: Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true.  Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear.  It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

You are correct. That Mr. Zimmerman also reported being pinned to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by Mr. Martin was in no way a part of his legal defense.


Yes, making up multiple lies was part of his defense, not just one lie.  Let's be fair.
 
2014-01-15 11:42:18 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Umm, you mean like the guy in this article?
 
2014-01-15 11:42:19 AM  
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2014-01-15 11:42:31 AM  
If it was skittles he would of had a case.
 
ecl
2014-01-15 11:42:48 AM  
If only everyone in the theater was packing and it turned into a whacky firefight.
 
2014-01-15 11:43:11 AM  

Generation_D: It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.


Actually the "Wild West" had stricter gun control laws, and a lot less firearm deaths (at least that they documented, I suspect some people get killed and were buried in the desert without a trace...so the numbers may be skewed).  I read that the most firearm deaths in any year, was 4 in Tombstone, the year of the OK Corral gun fight.  Most frontier towns averaged 2 firearm deaths a year (again, this is something I read, so take with a grain of salt unless you want to do your own research).
 
2014-01-15 11:43:19 AM  
what if the man's wife had a pistol, and was covering her popcorn tossing hubby...
and when the old guy went for his weapon, she put a .357 into his temple before he could fire.

tots legal.   and possibly earns the 'hero' tag.
 
2014-01-15 11:43:20 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


I don't remember when I did it, but I faved you as "Loves Guns" some time ago. Nice troll. 8/10.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:02 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


This is either a brilliant and subtly sarcastic observation, given the fact that the shooter in this case actually is a retired law enforcement officer, or it's really dumb.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:09 AM  
Hey the law is the law, if the guy felt threatened and he was in a dangerous situation he has no duty to retreat.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:16 AM  

miss diminutive: Can I supersize mine to a bazooka?


Bazooka!?!?!? Bubble gum is sold in the theater lobby, miss.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:23 AM  

Serious Black: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

I don't remember when I did it, but I faved you as "Loves Guns" some time ago. Nice troll. 8/10.


Oh, it's not a troll, it's a straw-man.  Sometimes the differences are subtle.
 
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