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(Yahoo)   Forget the double-the-legal-limit BAC of the blood test. Former Cowboy Josh Brent wasn't drunk, just stupid. Can't it be both?   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2014-01-15 11:27:23 AM  
You can bet that shyster Milner will go after a big chunk of that NFL concussion money too.
 
2014-01-15 11:33:29 AM  
This crazy plan just might get him off the hook. Its good to have a boatload of money to toss to lawyers when you kill somebody I guess. It helps justice get served or something.
 
2014-01-15 11:34:07 AM  
This is not a sports story. This is a news story about a moron who drunkenly killed his best friend.
 
2014-01-15 11:36:16 AM  

Di Atribe: This is not a sports story. This is a news story about a moron who drunkenly killed his best friend.


Indeed. However, said moron was employed by a professional sporting franchise at the time (or his friend was, I forget the exact circumstances) which kind of allows it to bleed into a sports story.
 
2014-01-15 11:37:51 AM  
Milner raised several alternate reasons for Brent failing the tests: His size made it hard for him to balance, the powder from his car's air bags made his eyes watery, and the crash had a lingering impact on him.

So, he was agile enough to reach the NFL as a defensive tackle, but not pass a field sobriety test?  Good one.
 
2014-01-15 11:45:55 AM  

LucklessWonder: Di Atribe: This is not a sports story. This is a news story about a moron who drunkenly killed his best friend.

Indeed. However, said moron was employed by a professional sporting franchise at the time (or his friend was, I forget the exact circumstances) which kind of allows it to bleed into a sports story.


Well, you wouldn't cover Jeffrey Dahmer in the Food section. Just sayin.
 
2014-01-15 11:51:11 AM  

Di Atribe: Well, you wouldn't cover Jeffrey Dahmer in the Food section. Just sayin.


You would if he were best known as a chef.
 
2014-01-15 11:54:26 AM  

LucklessWonder: Di Atribe: This is not a sports story. This is a news story about a moron who drunkenly killed his best friend.

Indeed. However, said moron was employed by a professional sporting franchise at the time (or his friend was, I forget the exact circumstances) which kind of allows it to bleed into a sports story.



They both were. Brent was on the team, and the person that died was on the practice squad.

Another thing that makes it a sports story was that the team allowed Brent to be on the sidelines a few days after he posted bail.

Stay classy, Jerry.
 
2014-01-15 11:54:32 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Di Atribe: Well, you wouldn't cover Jeffrey Dahmer in the Food section. Just sayin.

You would if he were best known as a chef.


What if you'd never heard of him until he murdered someone?
 
2014-01-15 11:59:47 AM  

Di Atribe: Yanks_RSJ: Di Atribe: Well, you wouldn't cover Jeffrey Dahmer in the Food section. Just sayin.

You would if he were best known as a chef.

What if you'd never heard of him until he murdered someone?


That's the exact opposite of this.  There are a lot of people killed by drunk drivers, the only reason anybody is aware of this particular case is that one member of the Dallas Cowboys drove drunk and killed another member of the Dallas Cowboys.
 
2014-01-15 12:08:19 PM  
 
2014-01-15 12:10:08 PM  
Di I love ya to death, but EVERY time somebody in a sport farks up and kills another person it ends up on the sports tab. even if its a wrassler like Benoit or a no footed runner like that dude who killed his girlfriend or the drunk receiver in Florida who ran over a crane operator in his Bentley.You dont even have to kill anybody if you are a sports person to get on the sports tab for non sportsy things. Hell Tiger Woods gets on the sports tab just by choosing a new ho to bone, and he barely plays golf seriously anymore. that retarded basketball player is on the tab today for kissing North Koreas ass with Dennis Rodman.

What Im saying here is that this story belongs here as much as any of those, certainly more than it does on the main page.
 
2014-01-15 12:21:33 PM  

Shakes999: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24292210/watch-late-cowb o ys-lb-jerry-browns-legacy-lives-on-with-daughter

Now please continue vomiting moronic opinions all over the thread.


Surely nothing as moronic as the implication that the forgiveness of his victim's mother makes Josh Brent anything less than a criminal.

I'm glad she's made peace with it, but if you're drunk and kill someone in a car accident, there are consequences.
 
2014-01-15 12:26:24 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: I'm glad she's made peace with it, but if you're drunk and kill someone in a car accident, there are consequences.


Not if you get the right lawyer and jury
 
2014-01-15 12:33:11 PM  
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2014-01-15 12:33:30 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Shakes999: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24292210/watch-late-cowb o ys-lb-jerry-browns-legacy-lives-on-with-daughter

Now please continue vomiting moronic opinions all over the thread.

Surely nothing as moronic as the implication that the forgiveness of his victim's mother makes Josh Brent anything less than a criminal.

I'm glad she's made peace with it, but if you're drunk and kill someone in a car accident, there are consequences.


But is it as moronic as throwing a straw man at me for a retort? I wasn't arguing the criminal implications. It was more aimed to stoli for parroting the same uninformed opinions that ESPN threw out about the situation.

Oh and every time I see someone post "Stay Classy" i develop a twitch

http://deadspin.com/fark-you-stay-classy-5963446
 
2014-01-15 12:34:55 PM  
 
2014-01-15 12:35:13 PM  
He's also fat.

No way to go through life, son.
 
2014-01-15 12:39:10 PM  

Shakes999: Yanks_RSJ: Shakes999: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24292210/watch-late-cowb o ys-lb-jerry-browns-legacy-lives-on-with-daughter

Now please continue vomiting moronic opinions all over the thread.

Surely nothing as moronic as the implication that the forgiveness of his victim's mother makes Josh Brent anything less than a criminal.

I'm glad she's made peace with it, but if you're drunk and kill someone in a car accident, there are consequences.

But is it as moronic as throwing a straw man at me for a retort? I wasn't arguing the criminal implications. It was more aimed to stoli for parroting the same uninformed opinions that ESPN threw out about the situation.

Oh and every time I see someone post "Stay Classy" i develop a twitch

http://deadspin.com/fark-you-stay-classy-5963446



So your saying the team was classy by allowing someone that killed one of their practice squad members to joke with the players on the sidelines a few days after bonding out of jail?

I guess tact is only important if the player that died was one of the starters.
 
2014-01-15 12:41:02 PM  

Di Atribe: LucklessWonder: Di Atribe: This is not a sports story. This is a news story about a moron who drunkenly killed his best friend.

Indeed. However, said moron was employed by a professional sporting franchise at the time (or his friend was, I forget the exact circumstances) which kind of allows it to bleed into a sports story.

Well, you wouldn't cover Jeffrey Dahmer in the Food section. Just sayin.


I would, but I'm a sick motherfarker.
 
2014-01-15 12:51:23 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Milner raised several alternate reasons for Brent failing the tests: His size made it hard for him to balance, the powder from his car's air bags made his eyes watery, and the crash had a lingering impact on him.

So, he was agile enough to reach the NFL as a defensive tackle, but not pass a field sobriety test?  Good one.



Yeah, that wasn't his (the lawyers's) best work. I can appreciate what the def. atty is trying to get at, but he doesn't appear to be doing a great job at not coming across as an asshole def atty:
- Brent is enormous, and has a high metabolism, so the volume of alcoholic beverages consumed, while unconscionably high for most people, only gets him to 2-beer territory.
- The BAC issue betrays that, but maybe he can work in how the Brethalyzer uses a standard breath-alcohol to blood-alcohol ratio, when in fact it varies by up to 50% in studies (it's out there; I'm lazy).
- A roll-over crash resulting in flaming wreckage and one fatality will likely induce: shock, brain injury, emotional distress, etc. I mean, shiat, his BFF just died in a crash he  just caused! He doesn't just have airbag dust in his eyes, he's devastated.

There are many empathetic ways to explain his behaviour at the scene, without claiming he was, essentially, 'too fat to stand up on his own', despite being an NFL player.

I don't condone what Brent did, which was stupid and criminal, but I can see what they're getting at.
 
2014-01-15 12:55:28 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Shakes999: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24292210/watch-late-cowb o ys-lb-jerry-browns-legacy-lives-on-with-daughter

Now please continue vomiting moronic opinions all over the thread.

Surely nothing as moronic as the implication that the forgiveness of his victim's mother makes Josh Brent anything less than a criminal.

I'm glad she's made peace with it, but if you're drunk and kill someone in a car accident, there are consequences.


I couldn't agree with you more. There are consequences... even if you don't kill someone.

Not CSB time:

One of my little league players' father was in an accident over the holidays while drunk. He slammed his SUV into Ford Tarus at about 70 mph, and rolled it before lodging his SUV into the side of a nearby business. He seriously injured a 16 year old in the other vehicle that had to be cut from the other car. She's lucky she's not dead. This guy's a grade a prick & has had a habit in the past of showing up at practices & games smelling like a distillery and acting the dick to his son - riding his ass unnecessarily & openly criticizing the kid when he makes the occasional bad play or walks a batter. They've charged him with DUI (local news reported that he has least one prior DUI conviction) and intoxicated assault. I'm just glad that his son wasn't in the SUV when it happened, he didn't kill anyone & hope that he can use the incident as a wake-up call to get his life together after owning the consequences of his actions & be a good father to his kid (who is seriously one of the best, hardest working kids I've ever coached and has to absolutely mortified by what his father did).

/Not CSB

That said, I just heard on local Sports Talk radio that Brent had 17 drinks prior the the accident that took Brown's life. Sounds to me like the dude was wasted and should be made to pay the consequences of his actions. This is ridiculous. IMO, if someone is wasted and gets behind the wheel, they may as well take a revolver with two rounds in it, point it into a crowd & pull the trigger, then point it at themselves and pull the trigger again. It's a very similar gamble.
 
2014-01-15 01:04:48 PM  

stoli n coke: Shakes999: Yanks_RSJ: Shakes999: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24292210/watch-late-cowb o ys-lb-jerry-browns-legacy-lives-on-with-daughter

Now please continue vomiting moronic opinions all over the thread.

Surely nothing as moronic as the implication that the forgiveness of his victim's mother makes Josh Brent anything less than a criminal.

I'm glad she's made peace with it, but if you're drunk and kill someone in a car accident, there are consequences.

But is it as moronic as throwing a straw man at me for a retort? I wasn't arguing the criminal implications. It was more aimed to stoli for parroting the same uninformed opinions that ESPN threw out about the situation.

Oh and every time I see someone post "Stay Classy" i develop a twitch

http://deadspin.com/fark-you-stay-classy-5963446


So your saying the team was classy by allowing someone that killed one of their practice squad members to joke with the players on the sidelines a few days after bonding out of jail?

I guess tact is only important if the player that died was one of the starters.


No, what im saying is that the actual people who were actually close to them knew that he had just killed his best friend. The players and coaches, you know, the people who actually know them personally and were actually affected by the event, didn't have a problem with it.

The only people who are screaming no class and complaining are the ones who are regurgitating what Terry Bradshaw and ESPN told them how to feel about it after that game.
 
2014-01-15 01:08:14 PM  

Shakes999: The players and coaches, you know, the people who actually know them personally and were actually affected by the event, didn't have a problem with it.


Im sure they were all for it.
 
2014-01-15 01:09:15 PM  

Shakes999: But is it as moronic as throwing a straw man at me for a retort? I wasn't arguing the criminal implications.


Fair enough.
 
2014-01-15 01:22:11 PM  

Di Atribe: LucklessWonder: Di Atribe: This is not a sports story. This is a news story about a moron who drunkenly killed his best friend.

Indeed. However, said moron was employed by a professional sporting franchise at the time (or his friend was, I forget the exact circumstances) which kind of allows it to bleed into a sports story.

Well, you wouldn't cover Jeffrey Dahmer in the Food section. Just sayin.


I got a new farky for you!
 
2014-01-15 01:29:36 PM  

Shakes999: stoli n coke: Shakes999: Yanks_RSJ: Shakes999: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24292210/watch-late-cowb o ys-lb-jerry-browns-legacy-lives-on-with-daughter

Now please continue vomiting moronic opinions all over the thread.

Surely nothing as moronic as the implication that the forgiveness of his victim's mother makes Josh Brent anything less than a criminal.

I'm glad she's made peace with it, but if you're drunk and kill someone in a car accident, there are consequences.

But is it as moronic as throwing a straw man at me for a retort? I wasn't arguing the criminal implications. It was more aimed to stoli for parroting the same uninformed opinions that ESPN threw out about the situation.

Oh and every time I see someone post "Stay Classy" i develop a twitch

http://deadspin.com/fark-you-stay-classy-5963446


So your saying the team was classy by allowing someone that killed one of their practice squad members to joke with the players on the sidelines a few days after bonding out of jail?

I guess tact is only important if the player that died was one of the starters.

No, what im saying is that the actual people who were actually close to them knew that he had just killed his best friend. The players and coaches, you know, the people who actually know them personally and were actually affected by the event, didn't have a problem with it.

The only people who are screaming no class and complaining are the ones who are regurgitating what Terry Bradshaw and ESPN told them how to feel about it after that game.



Dude, I am a Cowboys fan, and it was pretty disgusting to see Brent on the sidelines laughing and cutting up with the other players like nothing ever happened. I know that, to a lot of the starting players, Jerry Brown may have only been seen as just a tackling dummy, but that was not appropriate.

Hell, you didn't see the Bills bringing O.J. to the stadium after he bonded out.

And It's not exactly a good thing that the players and coaches "didn't have a problem with it."
 
2014-01-15 01:40:33 PM  

mikaloyd: Di I love ya to death, but EVERY time somebody in a sport farks up and kills another person it ends up on the sports tab. even if its a wrassler like Benoit or a no footed runner like that dude who killed his girlfriend or the drunk receiver in Florida who ran over a crane operator in his Bentley.You dont even have to kill anybody if you are a sports person to get on the sports tab for non sportsy things. Hell Tiger Woods gets on the sports tab just by choosing a new ho to bone, and he barely plays golf seriously anymore. that retarded basketball player is on the tab today for kissing North Koreas ass with Dennis Rodman.

What Im saying here is that this story belongs here as much as any of those, certainly more than it does on the main page.


I don't think any of those belong on the sports tab either, and I've said as much in the past. They belong in the gossip.... er.... entertainment tab. Hey, it's just my opinion that it doesn't belong here. This is a crime story, not a sports story.


stoli n coke: Dude, I am a Cowboys fan, and it was pretty disgusting to see Brent on the sidelines laughing and cutting up with the other players like nothing ever happened. I know that, to a lot of the starting players, Jerry Brown may have only been seen as just a tackling dummy, but that was not appropriate.


This. I really don't understand why people think that just because we're Cowboys fans, we automatically endorse every decision the organization makes.
 
2014-01-15 01:47:42 PM  

stoli n coke: it was pretty disgusting to see Brent on the sidelines laughing and cutting up with the other players like nothing ever happened.



I guess I wasn't privy to the sideline conversations. It seemed to me like he was trying to escape the reality of the situation by immersing himself in his team (second family, really, to hear most players speak), and trying to honour his friend's memory with his teammates. Now, maybe he was laughing about how drunk he got and how he totally killed his friend, but that doesn't jive with the fact that the dead man's mother forgave her son's friend almost immediately. I think you're reading too much into the actions of a man, who, even weeks later, still hadn't come to grips with the fact that his actions ended the life of his best friend, his career in the NFL, and his future freedom (at least for some amount of time). That's a heavy weight for a guy who by most accounts devoted his life to football, and it seems like his teammates wanted to help him bear it:

"The next game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, he was invited by teammates to attend the Cowboys sideline. Upon hearing how his attending was being perceived by the CBS Sports commentators doing the game and the social network sites, he approached the Cowboys staff and excused himself for the second half. After the incident, the NFL and the team would not allow him to be on the sidelines for the rest of the season.[8]"
 
2014-01-15 02:35:58 PM  

Di Atribe: LucklessWonder: Di Atribe: This is not a sports story. This is a news story about a moron who drunkenly killed his best friend.

Indeed. However, said moron was employed by a professional sporting franchise at the time (or his friend was, I forget the exact circumstances) which kind of allows it to bleed into a sports story.

Well, you wouldn't cover Jeffrey Dahmer in the Food section. Just sayin.


lulz......remember that joke going around when the cult a waco got burned?

"hey, you know where Jeffrey Dahmer is?"

"Last seen head towards Waco with a bucket of bbq sauce..."
 
2014-01-15 02:39:45 PM  

stir22: "Last seen head towards Waco with a bucket of bbq sauce..."


You are horrible and I did not laugh at that. Nope. Not even a chuckle or a snort.
 
2014-01-15 03:38:30 PM  

Di Atribe: stir22: "Last seen head towards Waco with a bucket of bbq sauce..."

You are horrible and I did not laugh at that. Nope. Not even a chuckle or a snort.


Yeah, it should have been Frank's Hot sauce.
 
2014-01-15 04:11:38 PM  

4NTLRZ: That said, I just heard on local Sports Talk radio that Brent had 17 drinks prior the the accident that took Brown's life.


While this is potentially true, I can't think of a worse source to cite.
 
2014-01-15 04:46:47 PM  

IAmRight: 4NTLRZ: That said, I just heard on local Sports Talk radio that Brent had 17 drinks prior the the accident that took Brown's life.

While this is potentially true, I can't think of a worse source to cite.


They likely got it from this here newsy-ish website.
 
2014-01-15 04:58:11 PM  

IAmRight: 4NTLRZ: That said, I just heard on local Sports Talk radio that Brent had 17 drinks prior the the accident that took Brown's life.

While this is potentially true, I can't think of a worse source to cite.


Don't know if you're hip to him, but Norm Hitzges is generally pretty reliable & tends to not take details to the air unless he's very damned sure.
 
2014-01-15 05:08:53 PM  

Di Atribe: IAmRight: 4NTLRZ: That said, I just heard on local Sports Talk radio that Brent had 17 drinks prior the the accident that took Brown's life.

While this is potentially true, I can't think of a worse source to cite.

They likely got it from this here newsy-ish website.


I wonder if it's like the one stupid Marine I had to drive in from the base guard for DUI - said he only had a couple drinks...yeah, mixed drinks.

So it's possible Brent had five drinks, but they were mixed drinks with 4-5 shots in 'em. Some people are dumb enough to think all "drinks" have the same alcoholic content.
 
2014-01-15 05:13:22 PM  

4NTLRZ: Don't know if you're hip to him, but Norm Hitzges is generally pretty reliable & tends to not take details to the air unless he's very damned sure.


He is fantastic. This is confirmed.
 
2014-01-15 05:14:22 PM  

IAmRight: So it's possible Brent had five drinks, but they were mixed drinks with 4-5 shots in 'em. Some people are dumb enough to think all "drinks" have the same alcoholic content.


Well it's a toxicologist that said it, not Brent himself.
 
2014-01-15 05:55:03 PM  

Di Atribe: 4NTLRZ: Don't know if you're hip to him, but Norm Hitzges is generally pretty reliable & tends to not take details to the air unless he's very damned sure.

He is fantastic. This is confirmed.


Yes he is. One of the few on sports radio that has a lot of journalistic integrity - Andy Panda notwithstanding. :)
Norm's been around forever because of that, I would guess. I mean, if you go full yuck-monkey all the time, it probably becomes difficult to get guests to come on or agree to be interviewed. He definitely wasn'thonored by the Dallas All Sports Association and the Texas Baseball Hall of Fame because of his schtick.

All that aside, it does appear that Brent had way too many that night.
 
2014-01-15 07:41:53 PM  

Di Atribe: IAmRight: So it's possible Brent had five drinks, but they were mixed drinks with 4-5 shots in 'em. Some people are dumb enough to think all "drinks" have the same alcoholic content.

Well it's a toxicologist that said it, not Brent himself.


Yeah, the toxicologist said he had 17. He said he had 5. So he doesn't necessarily have to have been lying - just like the one guy I knew, he may be clueless enough to not know that there's a difference in the alcohol content between a mixed drink and a beer, no matter how tasty the mixed drink is.
 
2014-01-16 01:23:45 AM  

IAmRight: Di Atribe: IAmRight: So it's possible Brent had five drinks, but they were mixed drinks with 4-5 shots in 'em. Some people are dumb enough to think all "drinks" have the same alcoholic content.

Well it's a toxicologist that said it, not Brent himself.

Yeah, the toxicologist said he had 17. He said he had 5. So he doesn't necessarily have to have been lying - just like the one guy I knew, he may be clueless enough to not know that there's a difference in the alcohol content between a mixed drink and a beer, no matter how tasty the mixed drink is.



Also may think of doubles as one drink.
 
2014-01-16 02:22:17 AM  
WTF do you people think a "mixed drink" is?
 
2014-01-16 05:11:30 PM  

mikaloyd: WTF do you people think a "mixed drink" is?


Delicious.
 
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