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(Mother Jones)   It turns out Henry Kissinger was more evil than we thought; he's the one that gave the "green light" for Argentina's dirty war that resulted in the deaths of an estimated 30,000 people   (motherjones.com) divider line 114
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2014-01-15 03:53:07 PM  

ikanreed: Yeah, BSABSVR, I know I know.  It's not like both recent republican presidential candidates were like "let's pointlessly invade another middle eastern country for the same dumb reasons as the last one(under a republican candidate)" and the democratic president was just like "Let's keep this one war we have, that's unnecessary, going"

Yep, both parties are identical, so vote for republicans.


The Obama doctrine is the same as the Bush doctrine which is the same as the Clinton doctrine.
 
2014-01-15 03:57:59 PM  

tirob: FTA:  "...the Carter administration reversed policy and made human rights a priority in its relations with Argentina and other nations."

If that's what the Carter administration did--I for one recall no such reversal of policy regarding Argentina--it didn't help the Argentinian leftists who were being rounded up and murdered by the Videla government.  Most of the deaths in the Dirty War happened during 1977-81.



Carter's policy was to talk about human rights, especially in the context of relations with the USSR.

In practice our allies and clients like Iran, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Zaire etc. would get a sanctimonious scolding along with their monthly arms shipment, which tended to piss them off without slowing down the killing.

We boycotted the Olympics, but kept on eating the bananas.  Carter can kiss my ass.
 
2014-01-15 03:59:38 PM  
If this is all you have for "why Kissinger deserves to die" subby, you must be very, very young.
 
2014-01-15 04:34:13 PM  
Interesting that the article didn't provide anything that directly quoted Kissinger as saying what is alleged. There are some massive suppositions in that article but then again it is Mother Jones.
 
2014-01-15 04:59:45 PM  

SevenizGud: pkellmey: We find amazing ways to justify messing in other countries politics

I know! How dare we try to bring democracy to Nicaragua! What next, we try to get arab nations to allow womenfolk to vote?


HURR DURR DEMOCRACY DURR.

Dude, you don't even believe in climate change.
 
2014-01-15 05:20:52 PM  
Wait!  There were still people who didn't know this?
 
2014-01-15 05:37:40 PM  

Therion: If there really was Justice in the world, Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney would be locked in a small cage in The Hague and forced to fight each other with rusty spoons for their food.


Yes, but instead of spoons, they use plastic sporks.

I did not realize how horrid Kissinger actually was* until I took a course on the Cold War in college. Of course, there was ONE student in class who attempted to defend him and his actions. He was met with shame and ridicule.

*-not saying he is no longer horrible, just trying to keep grammar on par

/shakes head
//HK can get bent
 
2014-01-15 05:51:13 PM  
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Not an actual parody, or defamation of character.
 
2014-01-15 07:03:28 PM  

macadamnut: tirob:  1977-81.

Carter's policy was to talk about human rights, especially in the context of relations with the USSR.

In practice our allies and clients like Iran, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Zaire etc. would get a sanctimonious scolding along with their monthly arms shipment, which tended to piss them off without slowing down the killing.

We boycotted the Olympics, but kept on eating the bananas.  Carter can kiss my ass.


I don't recall the Carter administration's ever scolding Iran about its human rights record in the 1977-78 period, when the Shah was still in power.  I *do* recall anti-Shah Iranians taking Carter to task at the time for talking about human rights while turning a blind eye to abuses by SAVAK, the Shah's secret police.  It's sort of academic, though, in that instance--Iranians threw out a repressive government and wound up with an equally repressive government to replace it.

Similarly, I don't recall the Carter administration's ever taking Videla et al. to task for its methods of dealing with the Montoneros and the ERP.  And who knows, a scolding may have helped.  In contrast to the case in Iran, when the Argentinian junta finally went its way in 1983, the Alfonsin government, which replaced it, was a relatively humane body.
 
2014-01-15 09:29:22 PM  
The carpet-bombing of Cambodia (which was not a war with the USA at any time) led to the rise to power of the Pol Pot regime and the death of millions of innocent civilians. Henry Kissinger's brand of Real Politik makes Darth Vader look like the Good Father.

Macchiavelli would not approve. Although he wrote The Prince, he was a republican by conviction and much of The Prince is intended as warning or satire rather than advice to despots like the Borgias. Macchiavelli's political writings are within an ideological context, Kissinger doesn't seem to have any ideological, ethical, or religious parameters except power.
 
2014-01-16 01:56:16 AM  
He's still a war criminal.
 
2014-01-16 01:59:21 AM  

Therion: If there really was Justice in the world, Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney would be locked in a small cage in The Hague and forced to fight each other with rusty spoons for their food.


that seems reasonable.
 
2014-01-16 03:10:16 AM  

Therion: If there really was Justice in the world, Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney would be locked in a small cage in The Hague and forced to fight each other with rusty spoons for their food.


I'm thinking "human centipede". Need a third player, though.
 
2014-01-16 09:08:05 AM  

brantgoose: The carpet-bombing of Cambodia (which was not a war with the USA at any time) led to the rise to power of the Pol Pot regime and the death of millions of innocent civilians. .


I remember hearing things like this at the time Pol Pot and his henchmen were murdering all those people and thinking, "Yeah, right, like this is happening because we invaded eastern Cambodia eight years ago."

The Nixon/Kissinger invasion and bombing of eastern Cambodia in 1970 played a part in causing the chaos that brought Pol Pot to power, no doubt about that.  So did the North Vietnamese occupation of that area, which predated the Nixon/Kissinger intervention.  So did the North Vietnamese backing of the Khmer Rouge in the pre-1975 period.  And once Pol Pot came to power, he took the bad situation he had inherited and made it infinitely worse.  There's plenty of credit for the Cambodian massacres of the late '70s to go around.
 
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