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(WTOP)   The city of Alexandria, VA is considering the repeal of an old law that forces it to name all North-South streets after racist traitors   (wtop.com) divider line 55
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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 09:43:45 AM
8 votes:

Lucky LaRue: You would think, subby, that if the Confederates were traitors, then at least their leaders would have been judged guilty of the crime.  Maybe, though, the Federalist were just too stupid or too timid to take that kind of action, though.


They could have been.  President Johnson pardoned them (which obviously he wouldn't have needed to do if they weren't traitors).
2014-01-15 10:00:06 AM
6 votes:
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Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea [of racial equality]; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition.  -Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederate States of America.
2014-01-15 10:18:02 AM
5 votes:

Lucky LaRue: Chummer45: Isn't fighting an armed insurrection against your own government kind of the definition of traitor?

Do you mean like the American colonies against the English crown?


The Declaration of Independence was a revolutionary document. By signing it, they were marking themselves as traitors to the English crown. If they lost, they would've been put to death.
2014-01-15 11:04:19 AM
3 votes:

htomc: Traitors?  What did they do to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States?  They just wanted their own separate country- just like the colonists did to the British less than a century before.  Granted, their reasons might not have been quite as honorable, but they did essentially the same thing.

How were they any more "traitors" than any person who leaves the US and becomes a citizen of another country?  Does this mean that Tina Turner should now be subject to the death penalty?


Robert E. Lee took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.  And when it came time to order people to kill American soliders, Lee did most of the ordering.  He was America's biggest traitor.
2014-01-15 10:30:31 AM
3 votes:

GORDON: nmrsnr: Or, they were pragmatists that realized that starting the process of getting back to a peaceful relationship is better served by having the leaders tell their men it's over and getting back to normal lives, rather than executing hundreds if not thousands of (now) citizens.

Maybe.... just maybe.... calling the family members of southerners "racist traitors" even though we are several generations removed from the actual action is possibly not the best way to bring America together.

Not that I am suggesting anyone should lead by example or rise above pettiness or anything.  That's probably racist to suggest that.


Subby didn't call the descendants racist traitors, he was calling the people who actually waged the war - commanding legions of men to kill and die to protect slavery - racist traitors. That seems entirely reasonable, since those confederate leaders were in fact racist traitors. The whole "sins of the father" act is something your brought in yourself.
2014-01-15 10:19:22 AM
3 votes:

htomc: Traitors?  What did they do to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States?  They just wanted their own separate country- just like the colonists did to the British less than a century before.  Granted, their reasons might not have been quite as honorable, but they did essentially the same thing.


This is true, and our founders were indeed traitors to the British crown.  I feel their treason was justified by their oppression, but that doesn't make it any less so.

How were they any more "traitors" than any person who leaves the US and becomes a citizen of another country?  Does this mean that Tina Turner should now be subject to the death penalty?

I must have missed the part where Tina Turner made war against the United States.
2014-01-15 10:15:32 AM
3 votes:

htomc: Traitors?  What did they do to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States?  They just wanted their own separate country- just like the colonists did to the British less than a century before.  Granted, their reasons might not have been quite as honorable, but they did essentially the same thing.

How were they any more "traitors" than any person who leaves the US and becomes a citizen of another country?  Does this mean that Tina Turner should now be subject to the death penalty?


Uhhh Britain did consider them traitors. We don't, but they sure as hell did.
2014-01-15 10:10:44 AM
3 votes:
So the streets are named after the founding fathers? Weird
2014-01-15 09:45:01 AM
3 votes:

ZAZ: Next step, raze the city so they can start over with politically correct street names.


Hey, I like Alexandria. I also had no idea this was the law.

Lucky LaRue: You would think, subby, that if the Confederates were traitors, then at least their leaders would have been judged guilty of the crime.  Maybe, though, the Federalist were just too stupid or too timid to take that kind of action, though.


Or, they were pragmatists that realized that starting the process of getting back to a peaceful relationship is better served by having the leaders tell their men it's over and getting back to normal lives, rather than executing hundreds if not thousands of (now) citizens.
2014-01-15 11:37:53 AM
2 votes:
ciberido: varmitydog: The politician who is pushing this, Justin Wilson, is a white guy who is a member of the NAACP. Which begs the question: Why would a white guy be in the NAACP?

Probably for the same reason there were white abolitionists and there are male feminists and straight gay-rights advocates. I'm not sure, but I would guess it has something to do with being insufficiently selfish and myopic
.

The white abolitionists is easy to understand, folks being against slavery on religious and moral grounds. And straight gay-rights advocates are weird, but understandable. But male feminists? Being a pussy whipped man is nothing to be proud about.

No, I figure the guy is just a professional politician pandering for the black vote in Alexandria. And like most politicians pandering for votes, this will cost the taxpayers. They renamed a street down here on Panama City Beach Florida after some crooked politician and it cost the city about 35K in new signs for the renamed road. And that was 15 years ago and this guy wants to do it on a much larger scale.

Either that, or he's the gentrified version of this:
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2014-01-15 11:03:35 AM
2 votes:

edmo: How about they leave them alone and stop trying to be revisionist historians?


How about you read the article before posting?
2014-01-15 10:56:14 AM
2 votes:

edmo: How about they leave them alone and stop trying to be revisionist historians?


The only people revising history are the Neo-Confederates.
2014-01-15 10:25:36 AM
2 votes:

Lucky LaRue: Chummer45: Isn't fighting an armed insurrection against your own government kind of the definition of traitor?

Do you mean like the American colonies against the English crown?



Yup.  Look, just because there are historical parallels doesn't mean that the south was on the right side of history in the civil war.  If they were fighting to abolish slavery, or to shake off a truly repressive government, then maybe you'd have a decent point. But the fact of the matter is that the south rose up in rebellion to defend its slavery-based economy.

And if you're asking me to defend the revolutionary war, you are barking up the wrong tree.  We tend to idealize the revolutionary war as something that it wasn't - a popular uprising against an oppressive government.  In reality, it was a rebellion drummed up by wealthy landowners in the colonies who were upset that they didn't have sufficient influence in the british political system.  I like American history too, but we should stop pretending that the revolution was this virtuous, pure, altruistic time in american history.  Most of the people in the colonies at the time of the revolution didn't particularly care - for them it was either be oppressed by the British, or be oppressed by the new U.S. government.   Do you think the average slave, indentured servant, or tenant farmer gave two shiats about the stamp act?
2014-01-15 10:25:18 AM
2 votes:

Nabb1: Farce-Side: Meh.  As a Southerner, who give a f*ck?  I'm not more or less likely to drive down Robert E. Lee parkway than William Tecumseh Sherman Blvd. simply because of the name.

No, this is a very BIG deal to some northern FARKers who every once in a while feel like we are supposed to kiss their asses because of the outcome of a war that ended 150 years ago that none of us fought in. AFAIAC, if folks want to change the street names, change them.


Im sorry but other than to laugh and chuckle at online articles during lunch, most of us dont give a flying fark about the south or think about it at all... its a null topic of conversation.
2014-01-15 10:18:52 AM
2 votes:

Farce-Side: natas6.0: who didn't have slaves? The north had 'em, the south had 'em
Northerers committed horrible atrocities during the war.
I live here, in Alexandria
if people don't give a shiat about king/duke street, or Washington for that matter
don't manufacture rage about others
there is no right to avoid being offended by something

Does it really matter to you what the street names are?  Like, do you actually give a sh*t if they're named after Confederate generals or not?



To be fair, most of the founding fathers held profoundly racist beliefs.  I think the difference is that they didn't fight a war over their states' "rights" to own people.

The right wing has developed an imaginary idea of what the founding fathers and the confederate leaders stood for, which they constantly hold out as a way to justify adhering to regressive beliefs.
2014-01-15 10:18:05 AM
2 votes:
The law is just trying to repeal the requirement of naming new streets after Confederate Generals, not rename any streets currently there. I think that (very unlikely) if any new streets are actually built in Alexandria, being allowed to name them whatever the fark they want rather than on some antiquated idea of southern pride is at least tolerable.

/doesn't prevent anyone from naming them after generals either...
2014-01-15 10:17:16 AM
2 votes:
Dumb:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I don't see how a military leaders name could be considered politically incorrect.


Dumber:

natas6.0: there is no right to avoid being offended by something


Dumbest:

htomc: How were they any more "traitors" than any person who leaves the US and becomes a citizen of another country? Does this mean that Tina Turner should now be subject to the death penalty?

2014-01-15 10:12:51 AM
2 votes:
it's ok, for the people that still believe all that bullshiat, it's a constant reminder of how they got they ass kicked.

/modern civil war would be bloody but the north would win again.
2014-01-15 10:12:21 AM
2 votes:

Lucky LaRue: You would think, subby, that if the Confederates were traitors, then at least their leaders would have been judged guilty of the crime.  Maybe, though, the Federalist were just too stupid or too timid to take that kind of action, though.



Isn't fighting an armed insurrection against your own government kind of the definition of traitor?

I guess maybe you wouldn't see it that way, if you deluded yourself into thinking that the confederates were on the right side of history.
2014-01-15 10:07:31 AM
2 votes:
who didn't have slaves? The north had 'em, the south had 'em
Northerers committed horrible atrocities during the war.
I live here, in Alexandria
if people don't give a shiat about king/duke street, or Washington for that matter
don't manufacture rage about others
there is no right to avoid being offended by something
2014-01-15 09:55:58 AM
2 votes:
Racist Traitor Losers, subby.
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 08:40:48 AM
2 votes:
Maybe they should just name all east west streets after Al Qaeda leaders instead.
2014-01-15 03:19:35 PM
1 votes:

NavyBlues: Right.  Because the Civil War happened because Virginia invaded Maryland waging war on the U.S. (or that only happened in '62 after ''Murrica invaded Virginia 30-40 times.)



www.learnnc.org
Um... the state of South Carolina proudly admits to starting the war by bombarding Ft. Sumter.

Which was a fort owned by the Government of the United States, manned by soldiers of the United States Army.

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This guy did the exact same thing.
2014-01-15 01:58:57 PM
1 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: ZAZ


Next step, raze the city so they can start over with politically correct street names.


It is not like they named then Niger Blvd, Chink St, or KKK Way. Yes the Civil war is somewhat of a black eye in American history

but much to general public schools it was not all about the rights to slavery. I don't see how a military leaders name could be considered politically incorrect.

 Wrong Sir! False! The civil war was EXACTLY about Slavery, and everything else it was supposedly about is revisiont window dressing:

Declarations of Secession:
Georgia
[Copied by Justin Sanders from the Official Records, Ser IV, vol 1, pp. 81-85.]
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

Mississippi
[Copied by Justin Sanders from "Journal of the State Convention", (Jackson, MS: E. Barksdale, State Printer, 1861), pp. 86-88]
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

South Carolina


[Copied by Justin Sanders from J.A. May & J.R. Faunt, *South Carolina Secedes* (U. of S. Car. Pr, 1960), pp. 76-81.]
Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union
The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.
And now the State of South Carolina having resumed her separate and equal place among nations, deems it due to herself, to the remaining United States of America, and to the nations of the world, that she should declare the immediate causes which have led to this act.

Texas
[Copied by Justin Sanders from E.W. Winkler, ed., *Journal of the Secession Convention of Texas*, pp. 61-66.]
A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union.
The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then *a free, sovereign and independent nation* [emphasis in the original], the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal states thereof,
The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.
Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?
2014-01-15 11:53:44 AM
1 votes:

Marquis de Sod: Malcolm X-Pressway has a nice ring to it


Yeah that is real nice, I guess its alright to name a street after a guy that said that all whites are devils...which is exactly what Malcolm X and the nation of islam said..
2014-01-15 11:34:21 AM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Chummer45: I'm not say it's all bad. It's primarily right wing southern politics that I take issue with.

As do I, quite often. There is a certain duality to the South that one must endure to live here.


I could see that.  Hell, at the end of the day it's not that different from the dynamic in Michigan.  A decent amount of northerner rhetoric tends to be just as racist and ignorant of history as the pro-confederate rhetoric.  Same shiat, different form.
2014-01-15 11:28:05 AM
1 votes:

doubled99: or at least stop pretending that cries of "states rights" have nothing to do with slavery


I'm all for states' rights over federal government
However, I oppose slavery. Crazy, huh?


You would have been tarred and feathered in 1860. Or shot. Southerners did not like the anti-slavery crowd.
2014-01-15 11:27:16 AM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: Chummer45

It's the primary voting block that keeps electing idiots to congress. The South is why we can't have nice things. Yeah if only the south could elect intelligent, dignified folks like other places
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Massachusetts silver spoon:
DUI Manslaughter, Rape party, Stumbling into women's rooms with only a T-shirt on.


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Massachusetts golden shower boy:
His boy toy ran a prostitution service from Frank's residence that specialized in "young" men.

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Fred Richmond NY House of Representatives
Arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election-before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

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Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.
rapists stick together.

Shall we go on?



Hah.  I love that all of your examples have absolutely nothing to do with policy - you know, the thing that we elect politicians to enact?  You probably voted for George W. Bush because you actually believed that he would "restore honor and dignity to the white house."
2014-01-15 11:22:32 AM
1 votes:
Seems like every town in the south has a "Martin Luther King Blvd". How come no "John F. Kennedy Blvd" or holiday???? He was assassinated too, you know.
2014-01-15 11:18:11 AM
1 votes:
The funny thing is that nobody would care about this stuff if there wasn't a group of morons in the south who still view the confederacy in a positive light.
2014-01-15 11:13:41 AM
1 votes:

natas6.0: there is no right to avoid being offended by something


Okay?

So stop acting so offended that you need to change your racist traitor street names.
2014-01-15 11:02:29 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: varmitydog: The politician who is pushing this, Justin Wilson, is a white guy who is a member of the NAACP.
Which begs the question: Why would a white guy be in the NAACP?

Probably for the same reason there were white abolitionists and there are male feminists and straight gay-rights advocates.  I'm not sure, but I would guess it has something to do with being insufficiently selfish and myopic.



"Why would anyone care about people who they don't know or who aren't exactly like them?"
2014-01-15 10:59:40 AM
1 votes:

varmitydog: The politician who is pushing this, Justin Wilson, is a white guy who is a member of the NAACP.
Which begs the question: Why would a white guy be in the NAACP?


Probably for the same reason there were white abolitionists and there are male feminists and straight gay-rights advocates.  I'm not sure, but I would guess it has something to do with being insufficiently selfish and myopic.
2014-01-15 10:59:33 AM
1 votes:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: spicorama: it's ok, for the people that still believe all that bullshiat, it's a constant reminder of how they got they ass kicked.

/modern civil war would be bloody but the north would win again.

Who is the "they" that got their asses kicked? You know all the people who fought in the civil war are dead, right?

I'm a southerner, but my family didn't even come to America until the 1880's...

Because nothing was ever done in the South in the name of Jeff Davis and Nathan Bedford Forrest, after the Civil War.


On behalf of all the millions of Southerners who have not in their lives presently done anything in the name of Jeff Davis or Nathan Bedford Forrest, let me extend my heartfelt sympathies for any personal damage you may have suffered under the names of Jeff Davis or Nathan Bedford Forrest as a result of some of our less enlightened citizenry. If you feel this insufficient, and feel hostilities should be renewed, go ahead and mount your invasion. I certainly won't say that you didn't give us fair warning.
2014-01-15 10:57:16 AM
1 votes:

edmo: How about they leave them alone and stop trying to be revisionist historians?


You need to RTFA
2014-01-15 10:53:35 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: mongbiohazard: GORDON: nmrsnr: Or, they were pragmatists that realized that starting the process of getting back to a peaceful relationship is better served by having the leaders tell their men it's over and getting back to normal lives, rather than executing hundreds if not thousands of (now) citizens.

Maybe.... just maybe.... calling the family members of southerners "racist traitors" even though we are several generations removed from the actual action is possibly not the best way to bring America together.

Not that I am suggesting anyone should lead by example or rise above pettiness or anything.  That's probably racist to suggest that.

Subby didn't call the descendants racist traitors, he was calling the people who actually waged the war - commanding legions of men to kill and die to protect slavery - racist traitors. That seems entirely reasonable, since those confederate leaders were in fact racist traitors. The whole "sins of the father" act is something your brought in yourself.

Interesting that streets named after the racist traitors Washington, Jefferson, etc... are still fine...


Washington and Jefferson didn't fight against the US for the Confederate rebellion.
2014-01-15 10:53:15 AM
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: htomc: Traitors?  What did they do to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States?  They just wanted their own separate country- just like the colonists did to the British less than a century before.  Granted, their reasons might not have been quite as honorable, but they did essentially the same thing.

This is true, and our founders were indeed traitors to the British crown.  I feel their treason was justified by their oppression, but that doesn't make it any less so.

How were they any more "traitors" than any person who leaves the US and becomes a citizen of another country?  Does this mean that Tina Turner should now be subject to the death penalty?

I must have missed the part where Tina Turner made war against the United States.


www.donegaldollop.com

I guess she needed to know the way home.
2014-01-15 10:48:28 AM
1 votes:

natas6.0: who didn't have slaves? The north had 'em, the south had 'em
Northerers committed horrible atrocities during the war.


So are you trying to say "slavery really wasn't that big a deal" or just "I am a gibbering idiot"?
2014-01-15 10:47:38 AM
1 votes:

ristst: spicorama: /modern civil war would be bloody but the north would win again.

Nah, not even.  The modern civil war is ongoing, is quite bloody, and is waged on the gridiron.

FYI...the north is losing.  The SEC is whuppin some serious Yankee ass on a consistent basis.


You're in denial. The SEC has been losing ground to Wall Street every day.
2014-01-15 10:42:02 AM
1 votes:

ZAZ: Next step, raze the city so they can start over with politically correct street names.


I don't really care WHY you do it ....
2014-01-15 10:40:37 AM
1 votes:

ristst: Worry not bro...down here in Dixie we are highly amused at all the "historians" on this site.


I'm actually a historian. The Civil War really isn't my area of expertise, but after looking at primary sources, I see no reason why the term "racist traitor" isn't an accurate description of the Confederacy. They were literally the definition of racists, i.e. they thought that it was possible to establish a hierarchy of races, and they were traitors in that they waged war on their own country.
2014-01-15 10:33:04 AM
1 votes:

Gunther: Lucky LaRue: Technically, that is a Godwin

No it isn't. I wasn't claiming the Confederates were wrong due to being similar to Hitler in some way, I was pointing out that "They escaped punishment, therefore they're innocent" is an idiotic argument. Plenty of people get away with committing crimes. Jack the Ripper was never caught, Kim Jong Il got weeks of mourning from the country he ruined post-death, Jimmy Saville molested hundreds of children and it was covered up, etc.

Chummer45: The right wing has developed an imaginary idea of what the founding fathers and the confederate leaders stood for, which they constantly hold out as a way to justify adhering to regressive beliefs.

It's not the right, it's the South. Northern republicans don't have as much sympathy for them as Southern white democrats do.  Nobody wants to believe they were descended from the "bad guys", so people twist and contort history to be more palatable to them.



Really?  You're going to argue that "southern white democrats" are the real confederate sympathizers? Maybe in the 1950s.  I guess it's predictable that you'd drag out this tired argument, where we pretend that the dixiecrats still exist and that the GOP's southern strategy never happened.
2014-01-15 10:28:43 AM
1 votes:

Lucky LaRue: Technically, that is a Godwin


No it isn't. I wasn't claiming the Confederates were wrong due to being similar to Hitler in some way, I was pointing out that "They escaped punishment, therefore they're innocent" is an idiotic argument. Plenty of people get away with committing crimes. Jack the Ripper was never caught, Kim Jong Il got weeks of mourning from the country he ruined post-death, Jimmy Saville molested hundreds of children and it was covered up, etc.

Chummer45: The right wing has developed an imaginary idea of what the founding fathers and the confederate leaders stood for, which they constantly hold out as a way to justify adhering to regressive beliefs.


It's not the right, it's the South. Northern republicans don't have as much sympathy for them as Southern white democrats do.  Nobody wants to believe they were descended from the "bad guys", so people twist and contort history to be more palatable to them.
2014-01-15 10:26:53 AM
1 votes:

Farce-Side: Meh.  As a Southerner, who give a f*ck?  I'm not more or less likely to drive down Robert E. Lee parkway than William Tecumseh Sherman Blvd. simply because of the name.


Alright, then by that logic you shouldn't have a problem with them repealing the law that requires it, right?
2014-01-15 10:26:46 AM
1 votes:

Baron Harkonnen: [upload.wikimedia.org image 409x557]

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea [of racial equality]; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition.  -Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederate States of America.


Geez, Southerners turned into inbred hicks almost immediately.  That guy looks like he's subsisted on chewing tobacco for over twenty years.
2014-01-15 10:24:34 AM
1 votes:

vpb: Maybe they should just name all east west streets after Al Qaeda leaders instead.


I think they should name east-west streets after civil rights leaders, and give those streets the right-of-way.
2014-01-15 10:20:31 AM
1 votes:

Chummer45: The right wing has developed an imaginary idea of what the founding fathers and the confederate leaders stood for, which they constantly hold out as a way to justify adhering to regressive beliefs.


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/Even funnier because some stupid Tea Party group used this image without knowing it was A) from a video game, and B) making fun of the entire concept
2014-01-15 10:13:46 AM
1 votes:
With malice toward none, with charity for all
2014-01-15 10:11:26 AM
1 votes:
Traitors?  What did they do to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States?  They just wanted their own separate country- just like the colonists did to the British less than a century before.  Granted, their reasons might not have been quite as honorable, but they did essentially the same thing.

How were they any more "traitors" than any person who leaves the US and becomes a citizen of another country?  Does this mean that Tina Turner should now be subject to the death penalty?
2014-01-15 10:09:00 AM
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nmrsnr: Or, they were pragmatists that realized that starting the process of getting back to a peaceful relationship is better served by having the leaders tell their men it's over and getting back to normal lives, rather than executing hundreds if not thousands of (now) citizens.


Maybe.... just maybe.... calling the family members of southerners "racist traitors" even though we are several generations removed from the actual action is possibly not the best way to bring America together.

Not that I am suggesting anyone should lead by example or rise above pettiness or anything.  That's probably racist to suggest that.
2014-01-15 10:07:15 AM
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Baron Harkonnen: [upload.wikimedia.org image 409x557]

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea [of racial equality]; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition.  -Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederate States of America.


Of course the average Libertarian will claim that racism had no role in why the confederacy was formed.
2014-01-15 10:00:22 AM
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Meh.  As a Southerner, who give a f*ck?  I'm not more or less likely to drive down Robert E. Lee parkway than William Tecumseh Sherman Blvd. simply because of the name.
2014-01-15 09:54:59 AM
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Lucky LaRue: You would think, subby, that if the Confederates were traitors, then at least their leaders would have been judged guilty of the crime


...I don't care where your sympathies lie, that's just a farking stupid argument. Hitler never got a trial, does that make him innocent of any crime?

/technically not a Godwin, don't even start.
2014-01-15 09:48:40 AM
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They should name them after fictional traitors.

Lando Lane

Cypher Court

Carter Burke Blvd.

Obadiah Stane St.

Peter Pettigrew Parkway

Alec Trevelyan Expressway
2014-01-15 09:29:24 AM
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You would think, subby, that if the Confederates were traitors, then at least their leaders would have been judged guilty of the crime.  Maybe, though, the Federalist were just too stupid or too timid to take that kind of action, though.
 
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