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2014-01-15 04:07:42 PM  

vicioushobbit: vicioushobbit: You really care too much about what other people think about your marriage.

You care too, you just aren't willing to admit it. That's why you introduce him as your husband to other people, that's why you had a wedding and invited people. That's why when you or your husband is in the hospital, the first thing out of your mouth will be "I'm his wife." Because you want those people to know you are married and what that means and you also know if you tell the doctor you're just his partner, you'll be kindly escorted to the waiting room.

Ok, I'm not going to argue with you about your perception of what goes on in my head.


OH THE IRONY.
 
2014-01-15 04:11:29 PM  

lennavan: vicioushobbit: vicioushobbit: You really care too much about what other people think about your marriage.

You care too, you just aren't willing to admit it. That's why you introduce him as your husband to other people, that's why you had a wedding and invited people. That's why when you or your husband is in the hospital, the first thing out of your mouth will be "I'm his wife." Because you want those people to know you are married and what that means and you also know if you tell the doctor you're just his partner, you'll be kindly escorted to the waiting room.

Ok, I'm not going to argue with you about your perception of what goes on in my head.

OH THE IRONY.


No, jackass, it's why I'm not arguing with you on it.

Irony, another word whose definition you decide as you go along, it seems.
 
2014-01-15 04:11:48 PM  

lennavan: jst3p: Your claim is that marriage should be till death. No law requires this.

Yes, even though I have probably stated at least a dozen times in this thread I am perfectly fine with divorce, my position can be summarized as "marriage should be until death."

The laws say nothing about the "til death part."  The timeline is completely up in the air.  That's why on the marriage form I filled out, they had a "how long do you want to be married" fill in the blank.  I put "til I get bored."  What did you put?


You claim that marriage has a meaning and that "till death do us part" is integral to that meaning.

You claim that marriage is defined by what the law says it is.

There is nothing in the law that requires it be until death.

 the people you just sided with have been arguing marriage means whatever you want it to mean

It sounds like you are the one ascribing meaning to it beyond what the law says.


/I don't remember the application asking how long I intended to be married.
//if there were, the second marriage I would have written "Forever, just like last time!"
 
2014-01-15 04:13:44 PM  

dywed88: Even if a person gets divorced who financially supported their spouse, they will continue to support the spouse through alimony.


Not in all states, they won't.
 
2014-01-15 04:17:21 PM  

vudukungfu: How about requiring them to sign a legitimate contract that is legally binding and can be dissolved if one party reneges on their part?
Then all the other voo doo mumbo jumbo they do can be moot, which it is.


Thank god someone else realized this!

Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract granting inheritance rights to a non-related person.
 
2014-01-15 04:22:07 PM  

shortymac: vudukungfu: How about requiring them to sign a legitimate contract that is legally binding and can be dissolved if one party reneges on their part?
Then all the other voo doo mumbo jumbo they do can be moot, which it is.

Thank god someone else realized this!

Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract granting inheritance rights to a non-related person.


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2014-01-15 04:22:46 PM  

jst3p: shortymac: vudukungfu: How about requiring them to sign a legitimate contract that is legally binding and can be dissolved if one party reneges on their part?
Then all the other voo doo mumbo jumbo they do can be moot, which it is.

Thank god someone else realized this!

Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract granting inheritance rights to a non-related person.

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Well, it grants some other legal rights and protections too.
 
2014-01-15 04:23:32 PM  

jst3p: There is nothing in the law that requires it be until death.


So you think I can go to the city clerk's office and ask for a 10 year marriage?  I think you and I have a very different factual understanding of the world.
 
2014-01-15 04:24:31 PM  

jst3p: jst3p: shortymac: vudukungfu: How about requiring them to sign a legitimate contract that is legally binding and can be dissolved if one party reneges on their part?
Then all the other voo doo mumbo jumbo they do can be moot, which it is.

Thank god someone else realized this!

Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract granting inheritance rights to a non-related person.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 338x301]

Well, it grants some other legal rights and protections too.


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2014-01-15 04:26:28 PM  

lennavan: jst3p: There is nothing in the law that requires it be until death.

So you think I can go to the city clerk's office and ask for a 10 year marriage?  I think you and I have a very different factual understanding of the world.


I can get married and end it in 10 years.
 
2014-01-15 04:27:11 PM  

jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: How is your marriage less valued because othrer people get divorced?

We've been over this.

jst3p: in reality that "till death" part is decoration, not part of the meaning of the word anymore?

How does the fact that many people don't adhere to the "till death" vow affect your marriage at all?

It affects society's perception of my marriage.  You might remember my college degree analogy.

And that harms you or your marriage how specifically? In your bad college degree analogy someone with that degree will have a harder time getting a job.


Still waiting to hear a response to this.
 
2014-01-15 04:40:49 PM  

GBB: Had a nice no-fault divorce several years ago.  We're still friends.  Even invited her to my wedding last year.  No one seems to understand the concept that it's possible for 2 people to drift apart and not get all homicidal about it.

My current wife was iffy about the whole situation until I asked her, "If, after you and I are together for 11 years, you decide that you want to move on, would you want me to get upset and all possessive with you and do spiteful things toward you, or would you want me to accept it and deal with it like an adult?"


I would want my spouse to say whatever it is that has you feeling unsatisfied or unhappy I'm willing to work with you to fix it, not run away from the problem. After all we did choose to be partners in life, and I won't give up on my partner.

Marriage is work, the work is what makes it worth it. Otherwise you're just roommates with benefits. NTTIAWWT, just don't call that situation a marriage
 
2014-01-15 04:47:45 PM  

jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: There is nothing in the law that requires it be until death.

So you think I can go to the city clerk's office and ask for a 10 year marriage?  I think you and I have a very different factual understanding of the world.

I can get married and end it in 10 years.


But you cannot file and get a 10 year marriage.
 
2014-01-15 04:48:29 PM  

jst3p: jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: How is your marriage less valued because othrer people get divorced?

We've been over this.

jst3p: in reality that "till death" part is decoration, not part of the meaning of the word anymore?

How does the fact that many people don't adhere to the "till death" vow affect your marriage at all?

It affects society's perception of my marriage.  You might remember my college degree analogy.

And that harms you or your marriage how specifically? In your bad college degree analogy someone with that degree will have a harder time getting a job.

Still waiting to hear a response to this.


Re-read the college degree analogy.  The answer was there.  It's getting tiresome constantly re-quoting myself.
 
2014-01-15 04:49:40 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Sooo this is another "It shouldn't be easy because it makes me feel all icky inside" type law? I'm surprised they don't have one outlawing girls because the have cooties. It fits with their first-grader mentality.


That works the other way to. Working on this relationship makes me feel icky and I just don't feel like it really so I won't.

What's mature? Putting effort into something or just blowing it off, you know because you have better things to do
 
2014-01-15 04:50:02 PM  

vicioushobbit: lennavan: vicioushobbit: vicioushobbit: You really care too much about what other people think about your marriage.

You care too, you just aren't willing to admit it. That's why you introduce him as your husband to other people, that's why you had a wedding and invited people. That's why when you or your husband is in the hospital, the first thing out of your mouth will be "I'm his wife." Because you want those people to know you are married and what that means and you also know if you tell the doctor you're just his partner, you'll be kindly escorted to the waiting room.

Ok, I'm not going to argue with you about your perception of what goes on in my head.

OH THE IRONY.

No, jackass, it's why I'm not arguing with you on it.

Irony, another word whose definition you decide as you go along, it seems.



Right after you got done telling me what your perception of what goes on in my head, you got upset at my perception of what goes on in your head.  That'd be textbook irony right there.
 
2014-01-15 04:50:30 PM  

lennavan: jst3p: jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: How is your marriage less valued because othrer people get divorced?

We've been over this.

jst3p: in reality that "till death" part is decoration, not part of the meaning of the word anymore?

How does the fact that many people don't adhere to the "till death" vow affect your marriage at all?

It affects society's perception of my marriage.  You might remember my college degree analogy.

And that harms you or your marriage how specifically? In your bad college degree analogy someone with that degree will have a harder time getting a job.

Still waiting to hear a response to this.

Re-read the college degree analogy.  The answer was there.  It's getting tiresome constantly re-quoting myself.


So you can't explain how you or your marriage are actually harmed by the devaluation of marriage. Got it.
 
2014-01-15 04:51:29 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: What's mature? Putting effort into something or just blowing it off, you know because you have better things to do


Both can be, depending on the circumstances.
 
2014-01-15 05:02:32 PM  

jst3p: So you can't explain


I already explained it and if you weren't willing to read it the first time and aren't willing to hit "CTRL F" and search for "college" to find the answer now, then clearly you're not actually interested in knowing the answer.  I think it's pretty clear what's the case here.

jst3p: how you or your marriage are actually harmed by the devaluation of marriage


You don't understand how someone's marriage is harmed by the devaluation of marriage.  I know you're not trolling, I know you're not stupid.  This is someone else posting, isn't it?
 
2014-01-15 05:04:06 PM  

jst3p: GrizzlyPouch: What's mature? Putting effort into something or just blowing it off, you know because you have better things to do

Both can be, depending on the circumstances.


True raking the leaves would be somewhat immature if say your house is burning down. Blowing off the most important relationship in your life? Not much you could justify doing over that
 
2014-01-15 05:10:44 PM  

lennavan: jst3p: So you can't explain

I already explained it and if you weren't willing to read it the first time and aren't willing to hit "CTRL F" and search for "college" to find the answer now, then clearly you're not actually interested in knowing the answer.  I think it's pretty clear what's the case here.

jst3p: how you or your marriage are actually harmed by the devaluation of marriage

You don't understand how someone's marriage is harmed by the devaluation of marriage.  I know you're not trolling, I know you're not stupid.  This is someone else posting, isn't it?



You have yet to give any specific way your marriage is harmed by the devaluation of marriage. Your marriage isn't any different. You are afforded all of the same legal protections and rights that marriage gives.

Your college analogy is thus:

Did you go to college?  Let's pretend yes.  You got a college degree.  One guy at your college is a complete dumbass.  Does that devalue your degree?  No of course not.  When you hit the job market, employers will know the vast majority of people from your college with your degree are good smart people.

Now what if 50%+ of the people at your college are complete dumbasses.  Does that devalue your degree?  Yes.  When you hit the job market and your degree says Florida State University, employers will have no idea if you're a dumbass or smart.


That does not give any indication of any harm done to you or your marriage because of this "devaluation" of marriage. You have not answered the question. Not eve once.
 
2014-01-15 05:12:55 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: jst3p: GrizzlyPouch: What's mature? Putting effort into something or just blowing it off, you know because you have better things to do

Both can be, depending on the circumstances.

True raking the leaves would be somewhat immature if say your house is burning down. Blowing off the most important relationship in your life? Not much you could justify doing over that


Sometimes the mature thing to do is to realize that something isn't going to work and move on for all involved.

I loved her, I really did. But there were repeated breaches of trust and they killed me every single time. And I had no reason to believe it was going to stop.

I wouldn't say I blew it off though.
 
2014-01-15 05:19:13 PM  

jst3p: Your college analogy is thus:


That analogy explains how a large number of people acting in a manner could devalue my college degree.  By analogy, a large number of people acting in a certain manner could devalue my marriage.

jst3p: You have yet to give any specific way your marriage is harmed by the devaluation of marriage.


Devaluation of marriage IS the specific way it is harmed.  Society VALUES marriage and because of that, it affords married people protections and rights.  If we no longer VALUE it, then we can no longer make an argument to keep those protections and rights.

jst3p: You are afforded all of the same legal protections and rights that marriage gives.


Sure, until people start arguing married couples should no longer enjoy all of those protections and rights.  For an obvious, current example see for instance tax code.  When you see people getting married because they want to get on someone's insurance rather than because they want to spend their lives together, amongst others you get responses like maybe we shouldn't let spouses on insurance anymore.
 
2014-01-15 05:26:09 PM  

lennavan: Sure, until people start arguing married couples should no longer enjoy all of those protections and rights.


Since no one is doing that I fail to see the problem. The damage done to you and your marriage is damage that might happen someday?

lennavan: For an obvious, current example see for instance tax code.  When you see people getting married because they want to get on someone's insurance rather than because they want to spend their lives together, amongst others you get responses like maybe we shouldn't let spouses on insurance anymore.


Spouses no longer being on insurance plans if the spouse's employer offers insurance has NOTHING to do with people getting married just to get insurance and everything to do with the new economic reality of health insurance post PPACA.

This is a HIGHLY disingenuous argument and you know it.
 
2014-01-15 05:42:13 PM  
lennavan:

 amongst others you get responses likemaybe we shouldn't let spouses on insurance anymore.

Now I don't have a dog in this fight, but I have to chime in, Saying that someones actions might, at some possible future time, have a negative impact on your current level of privilege and should therefore be regulated to prevent such erosion......

Wow..

Speaking of words, and their meanings:

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2014-01-15 05:53:21 PM  

jst3p: Spouses no longer being on insurance plans if the spouse's employer offers insurance has NOTHING to do with people getting married just to get insurance and everything to do with the new economic reality of health insurance post PPACA.


Yeah, that's not what I was talking about at all.  People were getting married for insurance benefits and tax breaks before Obama was even a Senator.  I love that you pretend like it's new though.

jst3p: I fail to see the problem.


I agree you fail to see the problem.  That does not mean it does not exist.

jst3p: The damage done to you and your marriage is damage that might happen someday?


On the contrary, read many of your posts in this thread -- the damage is already done.  You have posted many times in this thread that marriage has been devalued.  That's the damage.  This only question is how much worse will it get?

It seems to you, marriage holds absolutely no value.  That's fine.  But I don't know why that empowers you to be a dick and take away that value from the rest of society.  As a society, we have given value to marriage and encoded it in our laws.  You think "marriage" is synonymous with "relationship."  That's fine.  Why are you trying to impose that definition on me?  Society already gave value to the word marriage.
 
2014-01-15 05:55:04 PM  

morcoth: Now I don't have a dog in this fight, but I have to chime in, Saying that someones actions might, at some possible future time, have a negative impact on your current level of privilege and should therefore be regulated to prevent such erosion......


To be fair, he didn't call for regulation, but he did claim that:

Marriage is being devalued. I can't get him to clearly state what devalued marriage looks like or demonstrate that it is actually happening.

and

This devaluation of marriage is affecting him in a negative way. And by affecting him in a negative way he means that someday someone might think about taking away the rights and protections that marriage provides because it is valued less than it used to be.

Now I will give him that marriage rates are down and in that he might have a point that people don't value getting married as much as they used to as a personal choice, but I don't see how that diminishes the "value" of his marriage in any way.
 
2014-01-15 05:57:18 PM  

morcoth: Saying that someones actions might, at some possible future time, have a negative impact on your current level of privilege and should therefore be regulated to prevent such erosion......


I actually directly stated in the thread I'm not suggesting regulations, so ...

That said, I know you currently aren't a murderer.  However, at some possible future time, murdering me would indeed have a negative impact on my current level of privilege and as such, is against the law.  Now I hear that makes you pouty stompy mad but there it is.
 
2014-01-15 05:58:52 PM  

lennavan: On the contrary, read many of your posts in this thread -- the damage is already done.  You have posted many times in this thread that marriage has been devalued.  That's the damage.


What damage? How is your marriage any different because of this damage?

lennavan: It seems to you, marriage holds absolutely no value.


Not at all true.

lennavan: But I don't know why that empowers you to be a dick and take away that value from the rest of society.


I never advocated taking anything away from anyone.

 As a society, we have given value to marriage and encoded it in our laws.  You think "marriage" is synonymous with "relationship."

Absolutely not as evidenced by the fact that I clearly said I have been in marriages but am currently in a relationship.

 That's fine.  Why are you trying to impose that definition on me?

I am not.
 
2014-01-15 06:06:21 PM  

jst3p: I can't get him to clearly state what devalued marriage looks like


What devalued marriage might look like:

jst3p: I can get married and end it in 10 years.

jst3p: Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract granting inheritance rights to a non-related person.
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Gothnet: we're moving to a time when it means what the two people in the marriage say it means

jst3p: The minimum requirements [for marriage] are going to the courthouse and getting a piece of paper signed.
jst3p: to me marriage is more than dating, but forever? Hopefully, but probably not.

jst3p: I look at three levels of serious commitment, and marriage is the "lowest" one.
Marriage. ...
Buying a house together. This is the next step of commitment.


Dude, you take buying a house more seriously than marriage.  And you don't understand how marriage has been devalued.  That's because you yourself place zero value in it.  I cannot demonstrate how something you hold no value for lost value.  I'd have to convince you to give a shiat about marriage and you clearly don't.
 
2014-01-15 06:09:49 PM  

lennavan: jst3p: I can't get him to clearly state what devalued marriage looks like

What devalued marriage might look like:

jst3p: I can get married and end it in 10 years.
jst3p: Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract granting inheritance rights to a non-related person.
[That's a Bingo.jpg]
Gothnet: we're moving to a time when it means what the two people in the marriage say it means
jst3p: The minimum requirements [for marriage] are going to the courthouse and getting a piece of paper signed.
jst3p: to me marriage is more than dating, but forever? Hopefully, but probably not.

jst3p: I look at three levels of serious commitment, and marriage is the "lowest" one.
Marriage. ...
Buying a house together. This is the next step of commitment.

Dude, you take buying a house more seriously than marriage.  And you don't understand how marriage has been devalued.  That's because you yourself place zero value in it.  I cannot demonstrate how something you hold no value for lost value.  I'd have to convince you to give a shiat about marriage and you clearly don't.


My having different feelings regarding marriage and it's intent does nothing to diminish the value of YOUR marriage. And you keep saying marriage has no value to me and that is completely false. There are some circumstances I could leading to my getting married again.
 
2014-01-15 06:10:31 PM  

lennavan: jst3p: I can't get him to clearly state what devalued marriage looks like

What devalued marriage might look like:

jst3p: I can get married and end it in 10 years.
jst3p: Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract granting inheritance rights to a non-related person.
[That's a Bingo.jpg]
Gothnet: we're moving to a time when it means what the two people in the marriage say it means
jst3p: The minimum requirements [for marriage] are going to the courthouse and getting a piece of paper signed.
jst3p: to me marriage is more than dating, but forever? Hopefully, but probably not.

jst3p: I look at three levels of serious commitment, and marriage is the "lowest" one.
Marriage. ...
Buying a house together. This is the next step of commitment.

Dude, you take buying a house more seriously than marriage.  And you don't understand how marriage has been devalued.  That's because you yourself place zero value in it.  I cannot demonstrate how something you hold no value for lost value.  I'd have to convince you to give a shiat about marriage and you clearly don't.


Ok, people on the internet are saying things you don't like about marriage. Poor thing. Now, show us where the actual DAMAGE is.

Dipshiat.
 
2014-01-15 06:12:55 PM  
Perhaps the rising divorce rate is an indication that historically people overvalued bad marriages.
 
2014-01-15 06:14:03 PM  

jst3p: What damage?


I'd kinda like my kid to grow up taking marriage seriously.  If that means he never gets married and just has long-term girlfriends, that's perfectly fine by me.  It's one of those my word is my bond kinda deals.  Except the world is full of "I promise to love you forever" but eh, divorce happens, these things happen, what are ya gonna do.  Promises don't matter.

You're a member of society.  Society impacts people.  I know you want to pretend you live in a vacuum and what you do doesn't effect the rest of us but when you live in a society, it does.  I didn't know any of the people during 9/11, I don't know any of the families in Newtown but you're crazy if you think shiat like that doesn't impact others.

Now not you personally but it seems you're fine with others just getting married and not on a whim (your britney spears example).  That impacts people.  That teaches kids marriage is a farking joke.  That changes the perception of marriage as less meaningful.  I know you want to pretend it doesn't but it does.

jst3p: I never advocated taking anything away from anyone.


Then stop devaluing marriages.  You're taking away value.
 
2014-01-15 06:18:14 PM  

jst3p: Perhaps the rising divorce rate is an indication that historically people overvalued bad marriages.


Perhaps it's both.
 
2014-01-15 06:23:35 PM  

lennavan: jst3p: jst3p: My divorce doesn't even make my marriage meaningless. Like I said, I learned a lot that changed who I am today because of those marriage and divorces

You are conflating the word "marriage" with "relationship" again. You should stop.

I have marriage certificates and the marriages are a matter of public record. They were marriages.

And yet it was the relationship bit and the children that made you who you are today.  Not the fact that you were married.  Your ex didn't get pregnant when you signed the piece of paper.


So you are saying marriage does not affect a relationship?

The idea that everyone just wakes up one morning and decides "I am going to get divorced" is silly.

Most people do their best to make their marriage work and avoid divorce.

But some times people change, and they need to go their separate ways.

It doesn't necessarily mean you didn't consider things or know your spouse well enough before getting married. It often means that life happened.

When my mother and father got married they were in the 20s living in the city looking towards careers in nursing and computers.

Then life arrived, working a a nursing home broke my mother from any nursing and my father's dad got sick and they moved to the country to take over the farm. Then his computers career path ends when some drunk hits his car and he can't get to school for a while so he focusses on the farm and raising his kids.

Fifteen years after they married they are living on a farm 2+ hours from her family. She works retail, he runs the family farm, and they have 3 young kids.

Ten years later we are living in a small town and she works retail while he runs the office at a local factor.

Nobody could have predicted these things would happen or how they would happen or the effects on each person.

To say that they made a bad or wrong decision to get married is ludicrous.

Also, the weekend marriage of Britney Spears you brought up several times was annulled, not a divorce. Same with Henry VIII, he was never divorced, he had two annulments.
 
2014-01-15 06:23:44 PM  

lennavan: jst3p: I never advocated taking anything away from anyone.

Then stop devaluing marriages.  You're taking away value.


How, specifically, do you propose I do this?
 
2014-01-15 06:28:10 PM  

jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: I never advocated taking anything away from anyone.

Then stop devaluing marriages.  You're taking away value.

How, specifically, do you propose I do this?


You might start by not telling people marriage is a less serious decision than purchasing a house.  Maybe move on to at least understand that other people assign additional value to the word "marriage" versus "relationship."  Maybe you don't hold that extra value but you could keep that one to yourself.
 
2014-01-15 06:29:10 PM  

dywed88: The idea that everyone just wakes up one morning and decides "I am going to get divorced" is silly.


Yeah I'm not against divorce.  I'm for taking the decision to get married more seriously.

dywed88: Also, the weekend marriage of Britney Spears you brought up


I didn't bring it up.
 
2014-01-15 06:30:34 PM  

lennavan: jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: I never advocated taking anything away from anyone.

Then stop devaluing marriages.  You're taking away value.

How, specifically, do you propose I do this?

You might start by not telling people marriage is a less serious decision than purchasing a house.  Maybe move on to at least understand that other people assign additional value to the word "marriage" versus "relationship."  Maybe you don't hold that extra value but you could keep that one to yourself.


In order for your marriage to retain value you need opinions of those who feel differently to be silenced?

Yeah, sorry but no.


 And I never said it was a less serious decision just a more difficult commitment to remove yourself from. Because, it is.
 
2014-01-15 06:39:55 PM  
All I know is that I'm exceptionally grateful for no-fault divorce in my case. I was already damn near wiped out by my divorce-- I gave her almost everything-- But if there were actually a requirement for one or the other of us to have to make payments or maintain any kind of contact? SCREW THAT.

We broke clean. She took her stuff and lots of my stuff. I got my freedom. I consider that a good deal.
 
2014-01-15 06:40:18 PM  

jst3p: In order for your marriage to retain value you need opinions of those who feel differently to be silenced?


Oh my gosh, you're so oppressed.  jst3p, you asked me.  I never once argued or suggested you silence your opinion.  For the entire goddamn thread, post after post, I replied to your comments.  And here we are now, your honest attempt at summarizing my argument is I want to silence you.  I had no idea suggesting people who are interested in allowing the word marriage to retain it's value should probably not make a public mockery of it meant you were being SILENCED.  My poor oppressed friend, does it hurt being nailed to that cross?

Sonofabiatch.  I dunno man, I posted something about public perception of marriage as a whole and you changed it into me silencing you for my personal marriage.  No one is forcing you to be a dick, yet you choose to be.  I'm gonna go ahead and chalk this one up to you're having a bad day or I hit a nerve with you or something.

Try not to be so goddamn disingenuous, it doesn't fit your usual MO.
 
2014-01-15 06:51:22 PM  

lennavan: jst3p: In order for your marriage to retain value you need opinions of those who feel differently to be silenced?

Oh my gosh, you're so oppressed.  jst3p, you asked me.  I never once argued or suggested you silence your opinion.  For the entire goddamn thread, post after post, I replied to your comments.  And here we are now, your honest attempt at summarizing my argument is I want to silence you.  I had no idea suggesting people who are interested in allowing the word marriage to retain it's value should probably not make a public mockery of it meant you were being SILENCED.  My poor oppressed friend, does it hurt being nailed to that cross?

Sonofabiatch.  I dunno man, I posted something about public perception of marriage as a whole and you changed it into me silencing you for my personal marriage.  No one is forcing you to be a dick, yet you choose to be.  I'm gonna go ahead and chalk this one up to you're having a bad day or I hit a nerve with you or something.

Try not to be so goddamn disingenuous, it doesn't fit your usual MO.


In fairness I meant to type "silent". The point still stands.

This ENTIRE THREAD you have gone on about the "devaluing" of your marriage while never ONCE showing any actual damage to your marriage or demonstrating how this devaluing has affected you AT ALL.

And then you suggest that I should stop devaluing your marriage. How? By not voicing my opinion about marriage. If the value of your marriage is so fragile that other people not valuing the institution as highly as you do puts it at risk the problem is you, not the people who don't "value" marriage as highly as you do.

I don't feel oppressed, as a matter of fact the one playing the victim card is you! Somehow I and those like me are threatening the value of not only your marriage but your childeren's likelihood of respecting marriage?

Society's attitude regarding the importance of marriage is shifting, I will give you that. But that isn't because people like me are posting their opinions and it doesn't affect YOUR marriage at all.
 
2014-01-15 07:16:12 PM  
Back to the article:


"For the sake of the country, we need to be judgmental. Besides, there are plenty of people who never cease to be judgmental about members of parliament." He added: "Some will say that in a free society people should be entitled to live any lifestyle they want. However, overwhelmingly it is the taxpayer who is picking up the tab, so the state cannot be an idle bystander..."

So, how is the taxpayer subsidizing divorces? This is the troubling stuff. Evidently the State should put its grimy nose into every aspect of your life because somehow, somewhere, taxpayers have to pay one thin dime for some behavior that isn't ideal, according to some quibbledick authoritarian. Piss on him.
 
2014-01-15 08:51:30 PM  
"We cannot afford to continue subsidising people who live these kind of dysfunctional lifestyles," he said.

He's 100% correct. His only problem is he's talking about himself. We can't allow these politicians to keep ruining this planet and not call them on it.
 
2014-01-15 09:52:11 PM  

dj_spanmaster: The woman half of the couples, amiright?


What year did you just come from?
 
2014-01-15 10:00:03 PM  
Judges that make getting divorced harder should be tarred and feathered and then forced to marry the biggest two-faced psycho biatch society can muster, then not long after the honeymoon's over, denied a divorce at the last second on a technicality.

Then tarred and feathered again.
 
2014-01-16 12:15:30 AM  

menschenfresser: Can we please give the Tories and Repubitards their own country - maybe call it "Derptopia" - and just GET FARKING RID OF THEM!

I know the Conservative MPs aren't yet displaying even a shadow of the derpitude their big brothers in the GOP have, but I think they aspire to it. Out with them all! They clearly hate living in civilization anyway.


Who peed in your cornflakes this morning, sunshine?
 
2014-01-16 12:32:22 AM  

jst3p: Not true.

Common law marriage exists in Colorado still. If you live as if you were married, present yourself to the world as married (wearing rings is a biggie) and call yourselves married you are married. Filing taxes as married filing joint is a pretty solid way to be common law married (not applicable to the gays as we have an amendment defining marriage as being between one man and one woman).

/that amendment can't last much longer


And how does a religious ceremony affect that?

A religious official can sign off on a marriage license (at least in some jurisdictions), but without filing that form, the religious ceremony is meaningless in a legal sense.
 
2014-01-16 12:39:31 AM  

lennavan: dywed88: Marriage has a meaning. Look up your local statutes and/or case history.

I cannot tell you how many times in this thread I have attempted to argue that.  Yet the people you just sided with have been arguing marriage means whatever you want it to mean, or marriage means "married" and nothing more.

I cannot tell you how happy I am to have you on my side.  I just wanted you to know that we agree.


Divorce is a part of marriage law, usually no fault divorce
 
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