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(Politics UK)   No-fault divorce makes splitting up too easy say judges, who want to hang a critical "bad-thinking" clause on at least one half of the couples and shame them for it   (politics.co.uk) divider line 407
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2014-01-15 01:34:03 PM

lennavan: jst3p: I refer to them as marriages because they were marriages. You making a distinction with no real difference.

You don't see the difference between the word marriage and relationship.  Meanwhile I'm arguing the word marriage is being devalued.  Thank you for making my point much more effectively than I think I ever could.


If my divorce "devalues" the word marriage for you then the problem is yours not mine.
 
2014-01-15 01:34:33 PM

lennavan: Gothnet: Sometimes people drift apart regardless of best intentions

It's really farking sad that you think marriage is about intentions rather than effort or actions.  Sorry, I totally intended to give a shiat about you, it just didn't happen.  Oh well.

Gothnet: forcing them to stay together

You dipshiat, I'm not for less people getting divorced, I'm for less people getting married.


Then don't get married to so many people, you dipshiat.

/and quit trying to tell us how anybody else should live their lives
 
2014-01-15 01:35:21 PM

lennavan: jst3p: That would be fine, until you try and tell me what marriage should "mean" to me. It is a social construct and there are laws that define what a marriage is. Legally my marriages are no more or less valid than yours. If you think your marriage "means" more, knock yourself out but when you try and tell me what it should "mean" to me I am going to tell you to pound sand.

Out of curiosity, did you tell the judge to go pound sand during your divorce proceedings?  I mean, I never once said or thought your marriage was any less valid or meant any less or more.  I'm just telling you no matter how hard you pound that sand, there are state laws governing what marriage means.


Nope, because he wasn't arrogant enough to try and tell me "So you are saying you never should have been married in the first place." That would have been a dick move.
 
2014-01-15 01:35:56 PM
dywed88:

In all jurisdictions I am aware off, a religious ceremony is meaningless unless you file a signed marriage certificate with the sate. In this aspect, the priest (or other official presiding) is effectively a special notary.

"Meaningless" in terms of secular law, certainly not meaningless to the religious institution. The equation of a religious or private official with a "special notary" or other state official is hazy at best.

Like most married couples, my wife and I had both a "religious" or "private" wedding, as well as a state wedding.

The state wedding was in the morning at a Washington Parish JP's home way out in the sticks, so our state tax revenue footprint was pretty small.  But I still regard that ritual, and it was a ritual, as an annoying necessity we were compelled to perform in order for hotels, revenue offices, hospitals and all sorts of other institutions public and private to recognize our "special status" and confer upon us special perks and privileges that only people with the lofty ability to sign both their names to a piece of notarized paper can enjoy.

Our "private" ceremony was conducted that afternoon, unaffiliated with any church, but presided over by a minister we knew through my stepdaughter.  It was conducted at a private facility (the Louisiana Castle http://www.louisianacastle.com/ , cool place, you should see it), not any religious institution.  But even had it been presided over by Madalyn Murray O'Hair in our accountant's office, I still would have regarded it as a ritual.  The difference is that we paid for it.

We've lasted ten years and are still going strong.  If we face any consequences of our actions, it will be consequences dictated by the state, not by our uncompelled choice, as opposed to consequences dictated by any institution of our choice outside the state.  Which I regard as unfair and tyrannical, but that's just me. We've put in our lot with the laws of the State of Louisiana, and that's the way it is, until someone starts wising up and recognizes state-sanctioned marriages as state sponsorship of religious ritual.
 
2014-01-15 01:36:08 PM

lennavan: jst3p: The minimum requirements are going to the courthouse and getting a piece of paper signed. I did that. Twice. I met your standard.

Was it just any random blank piece of paper?  Or perhaps are you being dishonest in your summary here?

jst3p: While I was married I was no less her husband than you are to your wife.

I'm not saying you were.

jst3p: Divorce doesn't make marriage meaningless.

A pretty decent definition of the word divorce would be "to render a marriage null/void/meaningless."  So uh, yeah it does.  Divorce doesn't make the relationship meaningless.


Somebody else getting divorced doesn't magically make your marriage null/void/meaningless. Stop trying to convince us that it does or that this is somehow a slippery slope we've only just found ourselves on.
 
2014-01-15 01:36:10 PM
Satan's Bunny Slippers: jcb274: Satan's Bunny Slippers: jcb274:

I don't know anything about you or your marriage.  So it's pretty presumptuous to accuse me of calling you a failure.  But, if you feel that, in hindsight, you didn't know your partner well enough to marry them, then by your own definition, you did not have that "mature, mutual understanding" that you should have had before you got married.   It's okay to admit that you regret one decision and wish you had made another, if that's the case.  It's also okay to want people to be as prepared as possible before making a decision that they may regret.   A lot of people are wholly unprepared to make that decision, and a lot of people are hurt because they, by their own definition, made the "wrong" one.  Is it wrong to want peopleto make decisions that lead to them being happy?

I purposely made every effort to not specifically apply what I said to you personally, and yet you took it personally.  If I'm pompous, you are certainly in the running to be narcissistic. 

I'm glad you're so all knowing of what a marriage should be.  You are presumptuous in that you seem to think that you know what's best for all people considering marriage. Pompous, even.  And your seeming to think that people make conscious decisions that will eventually make them unhappy is even moreso.  You seem to be as uneducated about the human condition as anyone I know.

I was not young, unprepared or stupid when I married.  Why you think I would regret anything is funny.

Good luck to you, sir/madam.  I hope that no one ever judges and publicly shames you for your choices.
 

I haven't said anything specifically about what a marriage should be, except that it should make the people in it happy.  I feel like that's a pretty low bar, but it's still too high to not offend you.  We can't even agree on this?  I haven't defined a marriage, roles, members, anything, but I'm still condescending to suggest that the people in it should be happy?  What are you trying to contribute to this conversation exactly?  There is nothing to discuss if you can't accept any statement about marriage because it's a statement about marriage.

Also, in the futile hope that you read it this time, I'm not asking for people to publicly shame anyone for their decision.  Further, it's a pretty ridiculous premise to suggest that you could never regret a decision and that no one should ever ask you if you do.
 
2014-01-15 01:37:04 PM

lennavan: Your opinion has no bearing on reality.


I'm glad we agree upon this point, and yet you still keep spouting your opinions as though they were reality.
 
2014-01-15 01:37:34 PM

Fano: Looks like we have some prescient farkers as loyal as Horton the Elephant.


It's not like I'm making stuff up here.  People who are willing to commit to a marriage are sarcastically labeled as a a cartoon character.
 
2014-01-15 01:38:00 PM
Somebody sounds really bitter, and it's not the people arguing for divorce.

/just sayin'
 
2014-01-15 01:39:25 PM

dywed88: In all jurisdictions I am aware off, a religious ceremony is meaningless unless you file a signed marriage certificate with the sate.


Not true.

Common law marriage exists in Colorado still. If you live as if you were married, present yourself to the world as married (wearing rings is a biggie) and call yourselves married you are married. Filing taxes as married filing joint is a pretty solid way to be common law married (not applicable to the gays as we have an amendment defining marriage as being between one man and one woman).

/that amendment can't last much longer
 
2014-01-15 01:40:43 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: /and quit trying to tell us how anybody else should live their lives

 

I imagine there are a number of people in the country who would have appreciated a good kick in the pants and a "think twice" when they were thinking about getting married to the crazy biatch they did.  See for instance, this thread.
 
2014-01-15 01:41:53 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: Your opinion has no bearing on reality.

I'm glad we agree upon this point, and yet you still keep spouting your opinions as though they were reality.


I know.  Here I am with the opinion "with a 50%+ divorce rate, people should probably take getting married a bit more seriously" and yet here we are with the divorce rate unchanged.  How crazy am I?
 
2014-01-15 01:42:13 PM

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: /and quit trying to tell us how anybody else should live their lives
 

I imagine there are a number of people in the country who would have appreciated a good kick in the pants and a "think twice" when they were thinking about getting married to the crazy biatch they did.  See for instance, this thread.


Can't help but notice that it's automatically the woman's fault in your example. You sound bitter in your marriage, but it's a good thing laws have loopholes and divorce is an option.

/you really, REALLY need to take care of your own house before taking offense at what others do in their own
//seriously
 
2014-01-15 01:44:04 PM

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: Your opinion has no bearing on reality.

I'm glad we agree upon this point, and yet you still keep spouting your opinions as though they were reality.

I know.  Here I am with the opinion "with a 50%+ divorce rate, people should probably take getting married a bit more seriously" and yet here we are with the divorce rate unchanged.  How crazy am I?


Why is a 50% divorce rate a bad thing? Sure there are negative aspects associated with divorce but can you say for sure that they would be happier had they not married or not divorced.

Clearly some would but can you even say most? That's kind of presumptuous,
 
2014-01-15 01:44:27 PM

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: Your opinion has no bearing on reality.

I'm glad we agree upon this point, and yet you still keep spouting your opinions as though they were reality.

I know.  Here I am with the opinion "with a 50%+ divorce rate, people should probably take getting married a bit more seriously" and yet here we are with the divorce rate unchanged.  How crazy am I?


And yet, divorce has been a thing since the founding of this country, and the meaning of marriage has yet to change.

How crazy are you? You totes cray-cray. Seek help.
 
2014-01-15 01:47:36 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Wingchild: We must defend the sanctity of marriage by forcing unhappy people to remain together past their breaking points. This action will have no ill consequence.

Especially not for any children who may be involved or the mental health of either partner. Oh, and let's "help" by shaming them when they do decide to call it quits.

Admitting that it didn't work is NOT admitting that you should never have gotten married. It's admitting that a lesson was learned and a chapter is ending.

Leave your moralizing at the door and MYOB.


HI again!! How are you? Did you have a good day today?
 
2014-01-15 01:50:36 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: Gothnet: Sometimes people drift apart regardless of best intentions

It's really farking sad that you think marriage is about intentions rather than effort or actions.  Sorry, I totally intended to give a shiat about you, it just didn't happen.  Oh well.

Gothnet: forcing them to stay together

You dipshiat, I'm not for less people getting divorced, I'm for less people getting married.

Then don't get married to so many people, you dipshiat.

/and quit trying to tell us how anybody else should live their lives


Well tell us how we should live because people haven't figured it all out yet?
 
2014-01-15 01:52:21 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: /and quit trying to tell us how anybody else should live their lives
 

I imagine there are a number of people in the country who would have appreciated a good kick in the pants and a "think twice" when they were thinking about getting married to the crazy biatch they did.  See for instance, this thread.

Can't help but notice that it's automatically the woman's fault in your example. You sound bitter in your marriage, but it's a good thing laws have loopholes and divorce is an option.

/you really, REALLY need to take care of your own house before taking offense at what others do in their own
//seriously


Hon, he's already been shamed just drop it.
 
2014-01-15 01:52:32 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Can't help but notice that it's automatically the woman's fault in your example.


It wasn't my example.  When I wrote "See for instance, this thread" I actually meant you should look in this thread for the example.  You clearly didn't.  I can't help but notice you're derpin without thinkin.

The My Little Pony Killer: You sound bitter in your marriage, but it's a good thing laws have loopholes and divorce is an option.


I'm not against divorce, dipshiat.
 
2014-01-15 01:53:40 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: And yet, divorce has been a thing since the founding of this country, and the meaning of marriage has yet to change.


I'm not against divorce, dipshiat.  See for instance this thread where I have posted that over and over again.
 
2014-01-15 01:55:15 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Somebody sounds really bitter, and it's not the people arguing for divorce.

/just sayin'


You sound bitter a lot too I am bitter a lot of people are bitter because we all were harmed in the past. What makes us better is when we learn from those mistakes and not keep repeating them.
 
2014-01-15 01:56:35 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: /and quit trying to tell us how anybody else should live their lives
 

I imagine there are a number of people in the country who would have appreciated a good kick in the pants and a "think twice" when they were thinking about getting married to the crazy biatch they did.  See for instance, this thread.

Can't help but notice that it's automatically the woman's fault in your example. You sound bitter in your marriage, but it's a good thing laws have loopholes and divorce is an option.

/you really, REALLY need to take care of your own house before taking offense at what others do in their own
//seriously


Only if you do the same.
 
2014-01-15 01:57:10 PM
People are addicted to infatuation and the "honey-moon period" these days. They'll seek out those good feelings just like any other drug user. They can't drop the Disney shiat and move onto the comfortable stage of a relationship. I have no problem with divorce or different lifestyle choices, but a lot of folks need to stop pretending they're compatible with longterm/lifetime monogamy.

/judgemental 2cents
 
2014-01-15 01:57:32 PM

pottie: Marriage ain't for sissies.


The supreme court is still ruling on that
 
2014-01-15 01:57:37 PM

jst3p: Why is a 50% divorce rate a bad thing?


This is a joke, isn't it.  Marriage has a meaning.  What you are searching for is a term that means everything marriage does, except without the "until death" bit.  You can have all the legal obligations, except now you don't even need the hassle of getting a divorce.  How about we coin a new term that means that, we'll call it jst3page.  I'm all for jst3page.  If you want to get married, or jst3ped, I don't care.

A 50%+ marriage divorce rate means the majority of people getting married are unclear on the definition of the word marriage.  They should have gotten jst3ped instead.
 
2014-01-15 01:58:40 PM

jcb274: Fano: Looks like we have some prescient farkers as loyal as Horton the Elephant.

It's not like I'm making stuff up here.  People who are willing to commit to a marriage are sarcastically labeled as a a cartoon character.


That's not what he meant and it's obvious. Either learn to farking read or come down off your cross. Playing stupid only makes you look like you're not playing.
 
2014-01-15 01:58:41 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: Your opinion has no bearing on reality.

I'm glad we agree upon this point, and yet you still keep spouting your opinions as though they were reality.

I know.  Here I am with the opinion "with a 50%+ divorce rate, people should probably take getting married a bit more seriously" and yet here we are with the divorce rate unchanged.  How crazy am I?

And yet, divorce has been a thing since the founding of this country, and the meaning of marriage has yet to change.

How crazy are you? You totes cray-cray. Seek help.


Cray-cray? How old are you, 12?

0/10
 
2014-01-15 02:01:08 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Somebody else getting divorced doesn't magically make your marriage null/void/meaningless. Stop trying to convince us that it does or that this is somehow a slippery slope we've only just found ourselves on.


Did you go to college?  Let's pretend yes.  You got a college degree.  One guy at your college is a complete dumbass.  Does that devalue your degree?  No of course not.  When you hit the job market, employers will know the vast majority of people from your college with your degree are good smart people.

Now what if 50%+ of the people at your college are complete dumbasses.  Does that devalue your degree?  Yes.  When you hit the job market and your degree says Florida State University, employers will have no idea if you're a dumbass or smart.

See how maybe a single instance might not matter but they can add up?
 
2014-01-15 02:02:18 PM

lennavan: jst3p: Why is a 50% divorce rate a bad thing?

This is a joke, isn't it.  Marriage has a meaning.  What you are searching for is a term that means everything marriage does, except without the "until death" bit.


Isn't it pretty obvious that in reality that "till death" part is decoration, not part of the meaning of the word anymore? It hasn't been for thousands of years actually, ever since Moses told guys "How about you divorce instead of killing your wives when you get tired of them? God said it was cool."
 
2014-01-15 02:03:17 PM

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: Somebody else getting divorced doesn't magically make your marriage null/void/meaningless. Stop trying to convince us that it does or that this is somehow a slippery slope we've only just found ourselves on.

Did you go to college?  Let's pretend yes.  You got a college degree.  One guy at your college is a complete dumbass.  Does that devalue your degree?  No of course not.  When you hit the job market, employers will know the vast majority of people from your college with your degree are good smart people.

Now what if 50%+ of the people at your college are complete dumbasses.  Does that devalue your degree?  Yes.  When you hit the job market and your degree says Florida State University, employers will have no idea if you're a dumbass or smart.

See how maybe a single instance might not matter but they can add up?


A marriage is not a credential. This is a bad analogy. Very bad.
 
2014-01-15 02:10:03 PM

jst3p: Isn't it pretty obvious that in reality that "till death" part is decoration, not part of the meaning of the word anymore?


Are you suggesting the word has lost meaning and value, say perhaps been "devalued?"  As someone I've known and respected on Fark.com for awhile, I feel obligated to give you a heads up -- you're gonna get derped by idiots in this thread when they see what you posted.

But I agree with you.
 
2014-01-15 02:11:49 PM

jst3p: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: Somebody else getting divorced doesn't magically make your marriage null/void/meaningless. Stop trying to convince us that it does or that this is somehow a slippery slope we've only just found ourselves on.

Did you go to college?  Let's pretend yes.  You got a college degree.  One guy at your college is a complete dumbass.  Does that devalue your degree?  No of course not.  When you hit the job market, employers will know the vast majority of people from your college with your degree are good smart people.

Now what if 50%+ of the people at your college are complete dumbasses.  Does that devalue your degree?  Yes.  When you hit the job market and your degree says Florida State University, employers will have no idea if you're a dumbass or smart.

See how maybe a single instance might not matter but they can add up?

A marriage is not a credential. This is a bad analogy. Very bad.


Analogies do not have to be identical in all ways.  That is a bad counter argument.  Very bad.
 
2014-01-15 02:13:28 PM

MBooda: thurstonxhowell: MBooda: if you got married, you engaged in a spiritual ritual.

This is true of none of the last 3 weddings I've been to.

So you attended them for purely legal/economic reasons?


Marriages serve a social purpose even when you strip religion away. I attended them for social reasons.
 
2014-01-15 02:13:34 PM

lennavan: jst3p: Isn't it pretty obvious that in reality that "till death" part is decoration, not part of the meaning of the word anymore?

Are you suggesting the word has lost meaning and value, say perhaps been "devalued?"


No, marriage hasn't literally mean "until death under any circumstances" for thousands of years. Even the Catholics who hate divorce invented "annulment" because people get divorced and remarried.

It hasn't been devalued at all.
 
2014-01-15 02:14:14 PM
"Bob" has the perfect answer for this:

Every marriage has an expiration date.
 
2014-01-15 02:14:40 PM

alice_600: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: Your opinion has no bearing on reality.

I'm glad we agree upon this point, and yet you still keep spouting your opinions as though they were reality.

I know.  Here I am with the opinion "with a 50%+ divorce rate, people should probably take getting married a bit more seriously" and yet here we are with the divorce rate unchanged.  How crazy am I?

And yet, divorce has been a thing since the founding of this country, and the meaning of marriage has yet to change.

How crazy are you? You totes cray-cray. Seek help.

Cray-cray? How old are you, 12?

0/10


So, is this lennavan's retribution alt, or something?
 
2014-01-15 02:15:34 PM

jcb274: .



You know what?  Never the fark mind.

You go on with "but WHY can't people be forced make all the right decisions according to MEEEEEE?" and be happy.

Good day
 
2014-01-15 02:16:05 PM

Slaves2Darkness: and any children they have together


This is not particularly true. In some places marriage provides an assumption of paternity at the time of birth. Otherwise being married to someone's parent does not bestow any parental rights on you, nor does being unmarried preclude you from asserting any such rights.
 
2014-01-15 02:16:34 PM

lennavan: Analogies do not have to be identical in all ways.


A degree is a credential that, in theory, demonstrates to someone else that you have learned something and will be able to contribute in a positive way to their industry.

Your marriage says nothing to anyone else except that you are married. 50% divorce rate does not make your marriage any less of a marriage. It is a piss poor analogy.
 
2014-01-15 02:16:57 PM

vicioushobbit: alice_600: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: Your opinion has no bearing on reality.

I'm glad we agree upon this point, and yet you still keep spouting your opinions as though they were reality.

I know.  Here I am with the opinion "with a 50%+ divorce rate, people should probably take getting married a bit more seriously" and yet here we are with the divorce rate unchanged.  How crazy am I?

And yet, divorce has been a thing since the founding of this country, and the meaning of marriage has yet to change.

How crazy are you? You totes cray-cray. Seek help.

Cray-cray? How old are you, 12?

0/10

So, is this lennavan's retribution alt, or something?


I'm confused as well.  Especially since it was at first nice to MLPK, then turned and lashed out.  Perhaps medication needs to be adjusted.
 
2014-01-15 02:20:54 PM

jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: Isn't it pretty obvious that in reality that "till death" part is decoration, not part of the meaning of the word anymore?

Are you suggesting the word has lost meaning and value, say perhaps been "devalued?"

No, marriage hasn't literally mean "until death under any circumstances" for thousands of years. Even the Catholics who hate divorce invented "annulment" because people get divorced and remarried.

It hasn't been devalued at all.


Where the fark did that "under any circumstances" part come from?  Holy shiat dude, at least let me WATCH the goalposts move.

jst3p: in reality that "till death" part is decoration, not part of the meaning of the word anymore

jst3p: It hasn't been devalued at all.


jst3p: in reality that "till death" part is decoration, not part of the meaning of the word anymore

jst3p: It hasn't been devalued at all.


I dunno dude.  I think along the way you got the impression I was arguing you're less of a person or I'm better than you or something like that.  I'm not, hell with most of your posts over the years I've gotten the impression you're a better person than I am.  But for some reason here you're just so dug in to "win" your side of the argument that you refuse to even admit what words mean.

Yes, it has been devalued.  The specific value that it lost was the "til death" part.  We used to think "marriage" meant "blah blah blah... until death."  It has since lost that "until death part."

Now that we have agreed to that, I would like to emphatically state again that I do not think any less of you, nor did I ever all along, nor was that ever a possibility.
 
2014-01-15 02:23:44 PM

jst3p: Your marriage says nothing to anyone else except that you are married.


Worst definition ever -- marriage = married.  You haven't just taken some meaning out of the word marriage, you have taken all meaning out of it and made it a meaningless term.

Hey, I had a marriage!  What does that mean?  Why I'm married of course!  Anything else?  Nope!
 
2014-01-15 02:24:16 PM

Slaves2Darkness: It's a contract that the state recognizes giving the two partners special status towards each others medical treatment, inheritance, property


Those can all be contracted separately; the agreements among the partners in a marriage are largely available through non-marriage civil contracts, and could be made easily available as pro forma documents just like real estate sales.

Unfortunately that's not true of all the rights and privileges that the state chooses to bestow upon married people -- I think we should either eliminate those or make them available on any individually assignable basis, without respect to a more comprehensive concept of "marriage" or any of the restrictions and social conventions that entails.
 
2014-01-15 02:24:23 PM

lennavan: Yes, it has been devalued.  The specific value that it lost was the "til death" part.  We used to think "marriage" meant "blah blah blah... until death."  It has since lost that "until death part."


If it did, in fact, lose value when it lost the "until death" part it happened in the old testament. My divorce nor the current 50% divorce rate had anything to do with it.

And I think you are OK too.
 
2014-01-15 02:24:51 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: jcb274: .


You know what?  Never the fark mind.

You go on with "but WHY can't people be forced make all the right decisions according to MEEEEEE?" and be happy.

Good day


Not really sure what your issue is, but I have never forced or suggested that we force anyone to make any decision.  I think you assumed that I had a variety of opinions that I don't and got offended over these opinions that I didn't have.  But it's ok.  I'll go on hoping that people are happy, you go along doing that crazy reactionary thing that you did.  I don't particularly care what decisions you have made, but, really, I hope you continue to do things that make you happy.
 
2014-01-15 02:25:12 PM

Slaves2Darkness: GORDON: Easy: Divorce tax.  The State gets half.

Why do you hate men? I mean if the State gets half, and the biatch gets half, why in the hell would a man ever get married?


Why would a man ever get married now?
 
2014-01-15 02:26:27 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: vicioushobbit: alice_600: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: Your opinion has no bearing on reality.

I'm glad we agree upon this point, and yet you still keep spouting your opinions as though they were reality.

I know.  Here I am with the opinion "with a 50%+ divorce rate, people should probably take getting married a bit more seriously" and yet here we are with the divorce rate unchanged.  How crazy am I?

And yet, divorce has been a thing since the founding of this country, and the meaning of marriage has yet to change.

How crazy are you? You totes cray-cray. Seek help.

Cray-cray? How old are you, 12?

0/10

So, is this lennavan's retribution alt, or something?

I'm confused as well.  Especially since it was at first nice to MLPK, then turned and lashed out.  Perhaps medication needs to be adjusted.


No I'm not, I used to get into spats with her but when she said her dad left her when she she was a kid I felt sorry for her and wanted to befriend her and do the good thing and help her not feel so alone. It's tough I know, but it doesn't need to be.
 
2014-01-15 02:28:02 PM

jst3p: A degree is a credential that, in theory, demonstrates to someone else that you have learned something and will be able to contribute in a positive way to their industry.

cre·den·tial
krəˈdenCHəl/
noun
noun: credential; plural noun: credentials
1
.
a qualification, achievement, personal quality, or aspect of a person's background, typically when used to indicate that they are suitable for something.


What aspect of a person's background do you think doctors typically use to indicate whether or not you are suitable to make medical decisions for someone?

College degree, amirite?
 
2014-01-15 02:28:02 PM

alice_600: If you want to get married before 25 you need to be 18, have a drivers licence and at least an associates degree. You must attend six months of couples counselling, marriage classes, and parenting classes, (miss more than 3 classes of any combo you have to start all over again) submit to a drug and STDs test and then wam wedding day!


Either you're one hell of a troll, or weapon's grade stupid.
 
2014-01-15 02:28:48 PM

lennavan: A 50%+ marriage divorce rate means the majority of people getting married are unclear on the definition of the word marriage.


This is false for several reasons.
First, the divorce rate is below 50%.

Second, people who have already been divorced are more likely to be divorced again. They would count twice for the percentage despite not being multiple people.

Third, a divorce is only evidence that one half of the couple wanted to end the marriage. It is not necessary that both have that desire, common though that may be.

Fourth, and I think this is where it get interesting, it does not require being unclear on the definition of marriage for irreconcilable differences to occur. You yourself have stated that you are only against no-fault divorces. It is not logically consistent to claim to believe that some divorces are for good reason and that all divorce is evidence of people who don't understand marriage.
 
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