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(Tech and Gadget News)   In perhaps its dying gasp, PCWorld picks the most anticipated games of 2014, still anticipating titles on PCs or consoles while hopelessly denying the gathering Cloud storm   (techandgadgetnews.com) divider line 96
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2014-01-15 06:48:24 AM
So, you play on the cloud eh? Evolved matrix like... just close your eyes and see it eh?
 
2014-01-15 06:51:03 AM
WTF? Get back to the Geek tab, subby.
 
2014-01-15 06:51:26 AM
With net neutrality dead, kiss the cloud goodbye........
 
2014-01-15 06:55:03 AM

holybull99: With net neutrality dead, kiss the cloud goodbye........


It's still there. You're just not allowed in anymore, peasant.
 
2014-01-15 07:07:36 AM

eggrolls: holybull99: With net neutrality dead, kiss the cloud goodbye........

It's still there. You're just not allowed in anymore, peasant.


You are allowed in, but only to consume, consume, consume. All push content.
 
2014-01-15 07:07:42 AM
FTA: "The conclusion of International CES 2014 earlier this month pretty much confirmed that the gaming console is dying (much like the desktop PC) and that Cloud Computing is the future of gameplay."


so, pretty much the opposite of what subby indicated.... so the usual subby fail.
 
2014-01-15 07:07:52 AM
WTF did I just read? Some guy speculates that PC and console gaming is dying, shows absolutely nothing to support the claim, then highlights some upcoming PC/console titles? Subby, your blog sucks.
 
2014-01-15 07:08:47 AM

Mirandized: eggrolls: holybull99: With net neutrality dead, kiss the cloud goodbye........

It's still there. You're just not allowed in anymore, peasant.

You are allowed in, but only to consume, consume, consume. All push content.


and don't forget to give what little information you used to be able to keep private... that is the price of admission.
 
2014-01-15 07:09:08 AM
In the future, no one will own anything. You'll only pay for the right to use stuff. And the cloud can giveth and the cloud can taketh away.
 
2014-01-15 07:09:33 AM
I guess what everyone here is doing is yelling at clouds?
 
2014-01-15 07:10:14 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Mirandized: eggrolls: holybull99: With net neutrality dead, kiss the cloud goodbye........

It's still there. You're just not allowed in anymore, peasant.

You are allowed in, but only to consume, consume, consume. All push content.

and don't forget to give what little information you used to be able to keep private... that is the price of admission.


Something something data caps.
 
2014-01-15 07:11:47 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: "The conclusion of International CES 2014 earlier this month pretty much confirmed that the gaming console is dying (much like the desktop PC) and that Cloud Computing is the future of gameplay."


so, pretty much the opposite of what subby indicated.... so the usual subby fail.


I must need more coffee, because I thought what subby was saying was exactly what you included in quotation marks.
 
2014-01-15 07:15:13 AM
I miss the old Computer Shopper.
 
2014-01-15 07:20:36 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I miss the old Computer Shopper.


Go into a store, buy a disk, load it up and play.
No internet, no dropping out, no multiple logins to play.
My game, I paid for it!
 
2014-01-15 07:22:21 AM
None of those titles looked remotely interesting to me.

/Re-playing Fallout 2 and Baldur's Gate enhanced editions
 
2014-01-15 07:22:59 AM

The Muthaship: HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: "The conclusion of International CES 2014 earlier this month pretty much confirmed that the gaming console is dying (much like the desktop PC) and that Cloud Computing is the future of gameplay."


so, pretty much the opposite of what subby indicated.... so the usual subby fail.

I must need more coffee, because I thought what subby was saying was exactly what you included in quotation marks.


It would seem as though subby was in agreement with the writer of TFA.
 
2014-01-15 07:23:59 AM
The Stick of Truth

I'm holding out hope, but I have my doubts. Considering it has been trapped in developer hell since it missed the original ship date in 2012, there's a good chance it's going to suck.
 
2014-01-15 07:26:01 AM
future machines doing more than play games.

Cloud Computing is the future of gameplay.


Wow I hope the dying desktop pc market is replaced by some kind of device industry that allows us to access the cloud. Maybe a device that sits on a table or an entertainment center. They'll have to be able to process data, so they'll definitely have a processor.. and storage on some kind of local drive would significantly speed up gameplay (incredibly important for enjoyment) and reduce lag for the people who don't have the greatest connections (and now thanks to the questionable status of net neutrality, lower bandwidth usage). This brand new frontier of devices that totally aren't personal computers is going to be great...

/drugs are bad kids
//and so are blogs.
 
2014-01-15 07:27:00 AM
Fark off with the cloud.
 
2014-01-15 07:27:32 AM
Wtf is cloud gaming?
 
2014-01-15 07:31:22 AM
What irritates me is that the "cloud" is just a ignorant marketing euphemism for ...


wait for it...


THE INTERNET!!!111


And as marketing it is working.
 
2014-01-15 07:31:53 AM
Ah yes, the fabulous world of re-branding.
The Cloud is new and fresh! The Cloud!

It's not new. We've had it from the start.  It's called a network.
It's not a special network, it's just a regular plain network.
I'm not sure who's benefiting from the renaming, but hey, more power to 'em.

/refuse to change my title to Senior Cloud Engineer.
 
2014-01-15 07:32:20 AM
Does TFA's author realize that the so-called cloud is accessed by PCs, tablets and gaming consoles, or does he already live in the science fiction world of Matrix-style brain implants and personality uploading?   I'm guessing from the poorly written and cited article that, no, he actually doesn't.
 
2014-01-15 07:32:29 AM
NOT everyone has HiSpeed internet access! I don't Stream anything or use any Cloud or any of that stuff with my PC or Laptop. 3MB is my download speed and that's it. MY TV is on Dish but only the downstairs one, The one TV in the front bedroom I hardly ever use still has Rabbit Ears!
 
2014-01-15 07:32:41 AM

Elegy: The Stick of Truth

I'm holding out hope, but I have my doubts. Considering it has been trapped in developer hell since it missed the original ship date in 2012, there's a good chance it's going to suck.


This had more to do with the parent company going bankrupt than the development team itself. Parker and Stone always put out a quality product.
 
2014-01-15 07:33:52 AM
You know who else predicted the death of gaming consoles? Me, back in the 80s-90s when the home computer craze took off. Every house suddenly had C64s, and Ataris, and Apples, and IBMs, and Amigas, and TRS-80s.

Then, some upstart company released a cart-based gaming console. "Those died with the 2600s and Colecovisions and Intellivisions!" said I. "Everyone has home computers now! What idiot would want a system that only plays videogames?"

That system was the NES.

/still eat crow about it
//current article is just as full of crap
 
2014-01-15 07:40:00 AM
I used to be a PC gamer. Awesome flight sims with instruction manuals like a phone book, fun RTSes, great tactical sims....but that day has passed.

I think the last PC game I played was Star Craft 2. (Though I do need to fire up Heart of the Swarm). But the draconian copy protection has driven me to consoles. The graphics are just as good, no software configuration, play games on a large screen TV, no copy protection, and you can sell or trade the games when done.

I was getting tired of getting locked out of games I owned because it stopped communicating with a server in the middle of a SP campaign, or because I wiped my HD and reinstalled too many (3) times.

Now I love my old PC games. Wing Commander, Total War Medival 2, Ultima 7, Master of Orion. I can always go back and play those games. But what happens when a company shuts down their copy protection server 5 years from now? You'll never be able to play the game again.

With consoles (so far anways) I can still play my games 20 years from now. My old NES games work. My N64 stills plays games as well as my PS2 and 3.

Fark digital distrobution. I'll take a hard copy any day.
 
2014-01-15 07:44:30 AM
renesantacruz.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-15 07:44:48 AM
You'll have to pry my green screen when you take it from my cold, dead hands.

/Get off my lawn!
 
2014-01-15 07:46:29 AM
This thread is full of Luddites.
 
2014-01-15 07:48:59 AM
Jesus H Christ. Author needs to go drink a bottle of antifreeze.

I feel the same way about "the cloud" that a certain well-known technology troll felt about space and 3D printing.
 
2014-01-15 07:49:49 AM

MythDragon: I used to be a PC gamer. Awesome flight sims with instruction manuals like a phone book, fun RTSes, great tactical sims....but that day has passed.

I think the last PC game I played was Star Craft 2. (Though I do need to fire up Heart of the Swarm). But the draconian copy protection has driven me to consoles. The graphics are just as good, no software configuration, play games on a large screen TV, no copy protection, and you can sell or trade the games when done.

I was getting tired of getting locked out of games I owned because it stopped communicating with a server in the middle of a SP campaign, or because I wiped my HD and reinstalled too many (3) times.

Now I love my old PC games. Wing Commander, Total War Medival 2, Ultima 7, Master of Orion. I can always go back and play those games. But what happens when a company shuts down their copy protection server 5 years from now? You'll never be able to play the game again.

With consoles (so far anways) I can still play my games 20 years from now. My old NES games work. My N64 stills plays games as well as my PS2 and 3.

Fark digital distrobution. I'll take a hard copy any day.


Sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. According to people like you, PC gaming died 10 years ago. Still alive, still strong, still twice as good as anything a console can do. When TV resolution is upped as standard, when consoles can make use of mouse, keyboard, and the latest powerful graphics cards, maybe they will have a chance. But that will always be behind a PC any way. Consoles are for little kids with no gaming needs but pew pew pew sounds. By the way, PCs can easily connect to TVs if that is your thing. Wireless mouse/keyboard, and you have a gaming rig that blows any console away.

Copy protection server? What the hell are you talking about? Do you know how rare that is?
 
2014-01-15 07:52:31 AM

Tr0mBoNe: This thread is full of Luddites.


Luddites?

www.darktowercompendium.com
 
2014-01-15 07:53:03 AM

MythDragon: I used to be a PC gamer. Awesome flight sims with instruction manuals like a phone book, fun RTSes, great tactical sims....but that day has passed.

I think the last PC game I played was Star Craft 2. (Though I do need to fire up Heart of the Swarm). But the draconian copy protection has driven me to consoles. The graphics are just as good, no software configuration, play games on a large screen TV, no copy protection, and you can sell or trade the games when done.

I was getting tired of getting locked out of games I owned because it stopped communicating with a server in the middle of a SP campaign, or because I wiped my HD and reinstalled too many (3) times.

Now I love my old PC games. Wing Commander, Total War Medival 2, Ultima 7, Master of Orion. I can always go back and play those games. But what happens when a company shuts down their copy protection server 5 years from now? You'll never be able to play the game again.

With consoles (so far anways) I can still play my games 20 years from now. My old NES games work. My N64 stills plays games as well as my PS2 and 3.

Fark digital distrobution. I'll take a hard copy any day.


You should look into GOG. They are a using a digital download model that mirrors using discs and they are 100% DRM free.
 
2014-01-15 07:53:15 AM

mutterfark: Tr0mBoNe: This thread is full of Luddites.

Luddites?

[www.darktowercompendium.com image 647x500]


That is the most accurate depiction of a Fark thread ever.
 
2014-01-15 07:53:33 AM
Go drunk subby, you're home.

Thunderpipes: MythDragon: I used to be a PC gamer. Awesome flight sims with instruction manuals like a phone book, fun RTSes, great tactical sims....but that day has passed.

I think the last PC game I played was Star Craft 2. (Though I do need to fire up Heart of the Swarm). But the draconian copy protection has driven me to consoles. The graphics are just as good, no software configuration, play games on a large screen TV, no copy protection, and you can sell or trade the games when done.

I was getting tired of getting locked out of games I owned because it stopped communicating with a server in the middle of a SP campaign, or because I wiped my HD and reinstalled too many (3) times.

Now I love my old PC games. Wing Commander, Total War Medival 2, Ultima 7, Master of Orion. I can always go back and play those games. But what happens when a company shuts down their copy protection server 5 years from now? You'll never be able to play the game again.

With consoles (so far anways) I can still play my games 20 years from now. My old NES games work. My N64 stills plays games as well as my PS2 and 3.

Fark digital distrobution. I'll take a hard copy any day.

Sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. According to people like you, PC gaming died 10 years ago. Still alive, still strong, still twice as good as anything a console can do. When TV resolution is upped as standard, when consoles can make use of mouse, keyboard, and the latest powerful graphics cards, maybe they will have a chance. But that will always be behind a PC any way. Consoles are for little kids with no gaming needs but pew pew pew sounds. By the way, PCs can easily connect to TVs if that is your thing. Wireless mouse/keyboard, and you have a gaming rig that blows any console away.

Copy protection server? What the hell are you talking about? Do you know how rare that is?


You two are going to have beautiful babies.
 
2014-01-15 07:55:16 AM

Lapdance: NOT everyone has HiSpeed internet access! I don't Stream anything or use any Cloud or any of that stuff with my PC or Laptop. 3MB is my download speed and that's it. MY TV is on Dish but only the downstairs one, The one TV in the front bedroom I hardly ever use still has Rabbit Ears!


You and your Luddite brethren will be excluded from our digital Paradise. Enjoy the rest of your meager, meaningless existence.

/3BM down, 768K up
//Living in the sticks FTW
 
2014-01-15 07:56:05 AM
/3BM

BM? no, MB
Where IS that coffee?
 
2014-01-15 07:56:56 AM

foo monkey: Parker and Stone always put out a quality product.


You never played the very first South Park game did you?
 
2014-01-15 08:00:37 AM
if the cloud solutions provide remote processing power so that i can use a turrible old tablet to play a full & modern version of something like civ (and not just a shiatty cut down version), sure, i would do that.

i am guessing that cloud just means online only clusterfarks like simcity or social media type craplets.

/currently playing xcom on glorious master pc version. yeah, there is a console version, but it dont do texmod and you cant edit defaultgamecore.ini to allow snipers to use the standard assault rifle
 
2014-01-15 08:03:01 AM
The lack of net neutrality might tick enough people off to ignore the cloud completely and go back to running programs on their systems natively on their machine.

Don't use the cloud and never intend to. If I buy content I want a copy if it. Not merely access to it.
 
2014-01-15 08:06:28 AM

Tr0mBoNe: This thread is full of Luddites.


Indeed. We need a club.

/ still plays civ2
 
2014-01-15 08:09:29 AM

Mirandized: What irritates me is that the "cloud" is just a ignorant marketing euphemism for ...


wait for it...


THE INTERNET!!!111


And as marketing it is working.


Wait until you start hearing about "the fog."
 
2014-01-15 08:10:20 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I miss the old Computer Shopper.


You and me both. Built my very first computer from its glorious pages.
 
2014-01-15 08:13:37 AM
If anything is hurting PC gaming right now it's early access releases and DLC.  Nothing like making people pay $50 for an unfinished game, and then pay another $20 for "DLC" that should have been in the original release.
 
2014-01-15 08:13:57 AM
ok, it smells like old people up in here.
 
2014-01-15 08:15:35 AM

legion_of_doo: ok, it smells like old people up in here.


That's probably your diaper.
 
2014-01-15 08:16:18 AM

Thunderpipes: MythDragon: I used to be a PC gamer. Awesome flight sims with instruction manuals like a phone book, fun RTSes, great tactical sims....but that day has passed.

I think the last PC game I played was Star Craft 2. (Though I do need to fire up Heart of the Swarm). But the draconian copy protection has driven me to consoles. The graphics are just as good, no software configuration, play games on a large screen TV, no copy protection, and you can sell or trade the games when done.

I was getting tired of getting locked out of games I owned because it stopped communicating with a server in the middle of a SP campaign, or because I wiped my HD and reinstalled too many (3) times.

Now I love my old PC games. Wing Commander, Total War Medival 2, Ultima 7, Master of Orion. I can always go back and play those games. But what happens when a company shuts down their copy protection server 5 years from now? You'll never be able to play the game again.

With consoles (so far anways) I can still play my games 20 years from now. My old NES games work. My N64 stills plays games as well as my PS2 and 3.

Fark digital distrobution. I'll take a hard copy any day.

Sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. According to people like you, PC gaming died 10 years ago. Still alive, still strong, still twice as good as anything a console can do. When TV resolution is upped as standard, when consoles can make use of mouse, keyboard, and the latest powerful graphics cards, maybe they will have a chance. But that will always be behind a PC any way. Consoles are for little kids with no gaming needs but pew pew pew sounds. By the way, PCs can easily connect to TVs if that is your thing. Wireless mouse/keyboard, and you have a gaming rig that blows any console away.

Copy protection server? What the hell are you talking about? Do you know how rare that is?


What the article writer might be alluding to is something like OnLive.  However, OnLive was a huge fail because 80-100ms network latency (even if you can get that) ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
 
2014-01-15 08:17:10 AM

The Muthaship: HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: "The conclusion of International CES 2014 earlier this month pretty much confirmed that the gaming console is dying (much like the desktop PC) and that Cloud Computing is the future of gameplay."


so, pretty much the opposite of what subby indicated.... so the usual subby fail.

I must need more coffee, because I thought what subby was saying was exactly what you included in quotation marks.


there is always more room for coffee... esp. espresso..... yummmm
 
2014-01-15 08:19:00 AM

Lapdance: NOT everyone has HiSpeed internet access! I don't Stream anything or use any Cloud or any of that stuff with my PC or Laptop. 3MB is my download speed and that's it. MY TV is on Dish but only the downstairs one, The one TV in the front bedroom I hardly ever use still has Rabbit Ears!


you forgot "/posted on the cloud"
 
2014-01-15 08:20:52 AM

bikerbob59: You'll have to pry my green screen when you take it from my cold, dead hands.

/Get off my lawn!


we didn't have green in my day... LUXURY! I had to deal with Amber... and loved it.
 
2014-01-15 08:21:27 AM

Thunderpipes: MythDragon: I used to be a PC gamer. Awesome flight sims with instruction manuals like a phone book, fun RTSes, great tactical sims....but that day has passed.

I think the last PC game I played was Star Craft 2. (Though I do need to fire up Heart of the Swarm). But the draconian copy protection has driven me to consoles. The graphics are just as good, no software configuration, play games on a large screen TV, no copy protection, and you can sell or trade the games when done.

I was getting tired of getting locked out of games I owned because it stopped communicating with a server in the middle of a SP campaign, or because I wiped my HD and reinstalled too many (3) times.

Now I love my old PC games. Wing Commander, Total War Medival 2, Ultima 7, Master of Orion. I can always go back and play those games. But what happens when a company shuts down their copy protection server 5 years from now? You'll never be able to play the game again.

With consoles (so far anways) I can still play my games 20 years from now. My old NES games work. My N64 stills plays games as well as my PS2 and 3.

Fark digital distrobution. I'll take a hard copy any day.

Sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. According to people like you, PC gaming died 10 years ago. Still alive, still strong, still twice as good as anything a console can do. When TV resolution is upped as standard, when consoles can make use of mouse, keyboard, and the latest powerful graphics cards, maybe they will have a chance. But that will always be behind a PC any way. Consoles are for little kids with no gaming needs but pew pew pew sounds. By the way, PCs can easily connect to TVs if that is your thing. Wireless mouse/keyboard, and you have a gaming rig that blows any console away.

Copy protection server? What the hell are you talking about? Do you know how rare that is?


You're a special kind of stupid.
 
2014-01-15 08:21:27 AM

nickerj1: If anything is hurting PC gaming right now it's early access releases and DLC.  Nothing like making people pay $50 for an unfinished game, and then pay another $20 for "DLC" that should have been in the original release.


early access...

through steam, i have the following:
edge of space
darkout
starbound
kerbal space program

(i would add "dont starve" since i got it as early access, but it isnt an early access product anymore)

i dont regret any of the early access buys. none of them were $50 games, though.
 
2014-01-15 08:24:19 AM

phamwaa: Lapdance: NOT everyone has HiSpeed internet access! I don't Stream anything or use any Cloud or any of that stuff with my PC or Laptop. 3MB is my download speed and that's it. MY TV is on Dish but only the downstairs one, The one TV in the front bedroom I hardly ever use still has Rabbit Ears!

You and your Luddite brethren will be excluded from our digital Paradise. Enjoy the rest of your meager, meaningless existence.

/3BM down, 768K up
//Living in the sticks FTW


when I started on the net we had 150 baud modems... oh wait, there was no net then... BBS action FTW
 
2014-01-15 08:25:11 AM

Coastalgrl: The lack of net neutrality might tick enough people off to ignore the cloud completely and go back to running programs on their systems natively on their machine.

Don't use the cloud and never intend to. If I buy content I want a copy if it. Not merely access to it.


ummmm.... you do know you are posting in the cloud right?
 
2014-01-15 08:28:59 AM

Molavian: legion_of_doo: ok, it smells like old people up in here.

That's probably your diaper.


dammit! WHERR THAT NURSE GO? I NEEDS A CHANGIN.

/i mean, srsly. civ 2? i have since moved on to crusader kings, but the new civ games are not that bad!
 
2014-01-15 08:29:54 AM
And... How shall I access said cloud. There's a market for games other than Candy Crush and Angry Birds.
 
2014-01-15 08:31:48 AM

Alexei Novikov: Jesus H Christ. Author needs to go drink a bottle of antifreeze.

I feel the same way about "the cloud" that a certain well-known technology troll felt about space and 3D printing.


If you summon him, I will cut you.  With a knife I 3D-printed out of moon rocks.
 
2014-01-15 08:33:26 AM
www.onbile.com

/Just in case it was unclear...
 
2014-01-15 08:34:24 AM

ciberido: Alexei Novikov: Jesus H Christ. Author needs to go drink a bottle of antifreeze.

I feel the same way about "the cloud" that a certain well-known technology troll felt about space and 3D printing.

If you summon him, I will cut you.  With a knife I 3D-printed out of moon rocks.


who is he talking about? there are soo many trolls here now.
 
2014-01-15 08:34:33 AM
As long as giants like Ubisoft and EA keep flubbing "always-on" requirements for games like Assassin's Creed and SimCity, "cloud-based gaming" isn't going to happen.
 
2014-01-15 08:37:41 AM

starsrift: As long as giants like Ubisoft and EA keep flubbing "always-on" requirements for games like Assassin's Creed and SimCity, "cloud-based gaming" isn't going to happen.


is that like flubbering but without Robin Williams?
 
2014-01-15 08:44:21 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Coastalgrl: The lack of net neutrality might tick enough people off to ignore the cloud completely and go back to running programs on their systems natively on their machine.

Don't use the cloud and never intend to. If I buy content I want a copy if it. Not merely access to it.

ummmm.... you do know you are posting in the cloud right?


Yes. I meant in terms of storing and accessing my stuff. I want copies. Not merely access to certain content through the cloud. Would the removal of net neutrality allow ISPs to actively block sites that I want to visit like FARK? No it doesn't sound like a good thing but as a little person beaten down so many times I'm starting to feel complacent which is dangerous. Other than signing petitions there isn't much I can do.
 
2014-01-15 08:55:34 AM

ciberido: Alexei Novikov: Jesus H Christ. Author needs to go drink a bottle of antifreeze.

I feel the same way about "the cloud" that a certain well-known technology troll felt about space and 3D printing.

If you summon him, I will cut you.  With a knife I 3D-printed out of moon rocks.


That particular troll.. what was his name... Antimatter Semicolon? Quality Assurance? Something like that. Anyhow rumor has it he is gone. Check out his profile.
 
2014-01-15 08:55:42 AM
Have they invented magic latency-free internet or something? Because until then, cloud based gaming is going to suck balls.
 
2014-01-15 08:56:54 AM

Tr0mBoNe: This thread is full of Luddites.


There is a difference between people who don't want the advances of technology, and those who believe that large companies are manipulating that technology for nefarious ends. I don't see the need for a wireless network in my home because is easy for me to run wires, and wireless performance doesn't match wired performance. That doesn't mean that I hate wireless or that I don't see that it works well for those that can't get wired.
 
2014-01-15 08:58:50 AM

Coastalgrl: HindiDiscoMonster: Coastalgrl: The lack of net neutrality might tick enough people off to ignore the cloud completely and go back to running programs on their systems natively on their machine.

Don't use the cloud and never intend to. If I buy content I want a copy if it. Not merely access to it.

ummmm.... you do know you are posting in the cloud right?

Yes. I meant in terms of storing and accessing my stuff. I want copies. Not merely access to certain content through the cloud. Would the removal of net neutrality allow ISPs to actively block sites that I want to visit like FARK? No it doesn't sound like a good thing but as a little person beaten down so many times I'm starting to feel complacent which is dangerous. Other than signing petitions there isn't much I can do.


I agree with you... I want some kind of physical medium that I have access to without a connection. I even make backups of my originals (everything) onto large hard drives to be sure I don't lose anything.
 
2014-01-15 09:00:18 AM

SharkaPult: ciberido: Alexei Novikov: Jesus H Christ. Author needs to go drink a bottle of antifreeze.

I feel the same way about "the cloud" that a certain well-known technology troll felt about space and 3D printing.

If you summon him, I will cut you.  With a knife I 3D-printed out of moon rocks.

That particular troll.. what was his name... Antimatter Semicolon? Quality Assurance? Something like that. Anyhow rumor has it he is gone. Check out his profile.


damn... he didn't bite... I wanted to see him cut himself... :P
 
2014-01-15 09:00:18 AM

Dragonflew: Have they invented magic latency-free internet or something? Because until then, cloud based gaming is going to suck balls.


since we are talking actual cloud and not just always online drm, i think maybe it can work with turn-based stuff. no way you can do twitch-based over a cloud.
 
2014-01-15 09:26:07 AM

foo monkey: Elegy: The Stick of Truth

I'm holding out hope, but I have my doubts. Considering it has been trapped in developer hell since it missed the original ship date in 2012, there's a good chance it's going to suck.

This had more to do with the parent company going bankrupt than the development team itself. Parker and Stone always put out a quality product.


I also recall that another company was famous for missing deadlines -- sometimes delaying releases by more than a year -- but the end result was always a quality product.

/RIP Working Designs.
 
2014-01-15 09:42:19 AM

MythDragon: I used to be a PC gamer. Awesome flight sims with instruction manuals like a phone book, fun RTSes, great tactical sims....but that day has passed.

I think the last PC game I played was Star Craft 2. (Though I do need to fire up Heart of the Swarm). But the draconian copy protection has driven me to consoles. The graphics are just as good, no software configuration, play games on a large screen TV, no copy protection, and you can sell or trade the games when done.

I was getting tired of getting locked out of games I owned because it stopped communicating with a server in the middle of a SP campaign, or because I wiped my HD and reinstalled too many (3) times.

Now I love my old PC games. Wing Commander, Total War Medival 2, Ultima 7, Master of Orion. I can always go back and play those games. But what happens when a company shuts down their copy protection server 5 years from now? You'll never be able to play the game again.

With consoles (so far anways) I can still play my games 20 years from now. My old NES games work. My N64 stills plays games as well as my PS2 and 3.

Fark digital distrobution. I'll take a hard copy any day.


I would've agreed about consoles 5 or 10 years ago. But now, consoles are adding back many of the frustrations that led me to them in the first place.

GTAV should get a class action suit for how awful it is for X360. I spent many hours over two days before I could get it to work. And, maybe it's just me, but lately, it takes 30 min to an hour to get games to fire up correctly. My xbox often hangs while loading games.

I never used the non-gaming features of my x360, as I was always afraid it would RRoD again.

It seems like my console is gonna die very soon. Not sure what I'll do at that point. I'd consider a PS3 for the exclusives I missed, but might just get a used/refurb 360 and just stick with the games I have.
 
2014-01-15 09:53:16 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: /Just in case it was unclear...


The internet is not a compute cloud.
 
2014-01-15 09:58:44 AM

Dragonflew: Have they invented magic latency-free internet or something? Because until then, cloud based gaming is going to suck balls.


Don't worry, Comcast would NEVER capriciously piss on your connection for days/weeks/more on end, so all your precious cloud shiat is completely unavailable.

Well, really don't worry because there's no benevolent fairy godmother who's going to come pay for remote hardware/software because users are too cheap to buy it themselves, and magically make it cost less even though they're also paying for bandwidth at both ends.
 
2014-01-15 10:07:39 AM
I'm thankful I found this for Android tablets:

upload.wikimedia.org

It's a very fun game, kind of like a bawdy Baldur's Gate. And it comes with the original trilogy from the Commodore 64.
 
2014-01-15 10:34:15 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: SharkaPult: ciberido: Alexei Novikov: Jesus H Christ. Author needs to go drink a bottle of antifreeze.

I feel the same way about "the cloud" that a certain well-known technology troll felt about space and 3D printing.

If you summon him, I will cut you.  With a knife I 3D-printed out of moon rocks.

That particular troll.. what was his name... Antimatter Semicolon? Quality Assurance? Something like that. Anyhow rumor has it he is gone. Check out his profile.

damn... he didn't bite... I wanted to see him cut himself... :P


And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill.
 
2014-01-15 10:35:28 AM

skozlaw: HindiDiscoMonster: /Just in case it was unclear...

The internet is not a compute cloud.


I thought it was a big truck?
 
2014-01-15 10:44:16 AM

Syrrh: Dragonflew: Have they invented magic latency-free internet or something? Because until then, cloud based gaming is going to suck balls.

Don't worry, Comcast would NEVER capriciously piss on your connection for days/weeks/more on end, so all your precious cloud shiat is completely unavailable.

Well, really don't worry because there's no benevolent fairy godmother who's going to come pay for remote hardware/software because users are too cheap to buy it themselves, and magically make it cost less even though they're also paying for bandwidth at both ends.


I am not quite sure if you're insulting me and calling me cheap, but no amount of money is going to buy 0ms latency.
 
2014-01-15 11:04:33 AM

phamwaa: /3BM down, 768K up
//Living in the sticks FTW


Those kinds of speeds are pretty common for prime time on cable networks in Toronto.  Try to download something at 7:00pm on a Wednesday and you'll see that your 45mbps network is much closer to 4.
 
2014-01-15 11:05:46 AM

ciberido: Alexei Novikov: Jesus H Christ. Author needs to go drink a bottle of antifreeze.

I feel the same way about "the cloud" that a certain well-known technology troll felt about space and 3D printing.

If you summon him, I will cut you.  With a knife I 3D-printed out of moon rocks.


I think he got himself banned. We're safe.
 
2014-01-15 11:24:40 AM
All consoles are are weak computers with build in controllers. Really nothing else.
 
2014-01-15 11:56:28 AM
So cloud computing is the future?

Maxis and the finally coming out offline version of Simcity would like to have a word.
Maxis is releasing this patch due to people being pissed at the always online(cloud) bullshiat.

But keep on preach the cloud guys. I want to have to be online to play my single player games.
 
2014-01-15 12:00:52 PM

The Muthaship: HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: "The conclusion of International CES 2014 earlier this month pretty much confirmed that the gaming console is dying (much like the desktop PC) and that Cloud Computing is the future of gameplay."


so, pretty much the opposite of what subby indicated.... so the usual subby fail.

I must need more coffee, because I thought what subby was saying was exactly what you included in quotation marks.


No, subby indicated that PC World was "denying" cloud gaming, while what they are doing is just not ringing it in today...
 
2014-01-15 12:01:41 PM

Dragonflew: Syrrh: Dragonflew: Have they invented magic latency-free internet or something? Because until then, cloud based gaming is going to suck balls.

Don't worry, Comcast would NEVER capriciously piss on your connection for days/weeks/more on end, so all your precious cloud shiat is completely unavailable.

Well, really don't worry because there's no benevolent fairy godmother who's going to come pay for remote hardware/software because users are too cheap to buy it themselves, and magically make it cost less even though they're also paying for bandwidth at both ends.

I am not quite sure if you're insulting me and calling me cheap, but no amount of money is going to buy 0ms latency.


Not at all. Being at the mercy of your ISP 24/7 is a miserable and unnecessary extra point of failure.
 
2014-01-15 12:37:38 PM
 
2014-01-15 12:45:16 PM

ciberido: I thought it was a big truck?


Series of dudes.
 
2014-01-15 01:39:52 PM
The cloud? Sounds like 'thin clients', but probably will last a little longer before it disappears again.
 
2014-01-15 02:00:58 PM

Syrrh: Dragonflew: Syrrh: Dragonflew: Have they invented magic latency-free internet or something? Because until then, cloud based gaming is going to suck balls.

Don't worry, Comcast would NEVER capriciously piss on your connection for days/weeks/more on end, so all your precious cloud shiat is completely unavailable.

Well, really don't worry because there's no benevolent fairy godmother who's going to come pay for remote hardware/software because users are too cheap to buy it themselves, and magically make it cost less even though they're also paying for bandwidth at both ends.

I am not quite sure if you're insulting me and calling me cheap, but no amount of money is going to buy 0ms latency.

Not at all. Being at the mercy of your ISP 24/7 is a miserable and unnecessary extra point of failure.


I work for my ISP and have unlimited access, my connection is rock solid and fast (on my home cable drop, anyway, my DSL sucks). We also don't piss on people's connection, no packet shaping which would impede gaming is done. Regardless of how good or bad the connection from the ISP is, there is still no such thing as 0ms latency, and cloud gaming is going to suck for playing anything more complex than Farmville. I tried a racing game on GaiKai on a 200Mbps connection and it was incredibly bad. Even slight local controller lag on a PC game is noticeable when it happens, can you imagine when 30-100ms is added?
 
2014-01-15 02:32:04 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: "The conclusion of International CES 2014 earlier this month pretty much confirmed that the gaming console is dying (much like the desktop PC) and that Cloud Computing is the future of gameplay."


so, pretty much the opposite of what subby indicated.... so the usual subby fail.


Pretty much the opposite of reality, too.

OnLive filed for bankruptcy.  The next OnLive has already come and gone.  And we have Sony trying to be the next next OnLive.  Microsoft has already been on the cloud gaming bandwagon--notice you can't find anything about that?

This is a non-starter.  It's the exact opposite of the mp3 player/music store phenomena:  there were mp3.com places and there were mp3 players, but nobody was advertising them hard.  Apple starts trying to sell the concept of buying music online, and makes a ton of money.  OnLive had press releases and went to conventions and made all the huge news and put out tons of marketing, trying to sell the concept of cloud gaming... and it fell flat, and keeps falling flat.  Sony is trying to sell it with the PS4 and will fall flat.

It's not that we're not being sold it well enough; it's that nobody farking gives a shiat.  It's not something consumers want.
 
2014-01-15 03:37:24 PM

starsrift: As long as giants like Ubisoft and EA keep flubbing "always-on" requirements for games like Assassin's Creed and SimCity, "cloud-based gaming" isn't going to happen.


You misspelled Blizzard (Ubisoft stopped doing that about a year ago).
 
2014-01-15 04:20:49 PM

CourtroomWolf: You misspelled Blizzard (Ubisoft stopped doing that about a year ago).


Flubbing it or including it?

/ fark Ubisoft, they're one of the worst abusers of DRM ever
 
2014-01-15 04:50:07 PM
This thread served as an amusing reminder that I still have the Cloud-to-butt plugin installed on my browser.
 
2014-01-15 05:31:40 PM
The last game I had any fun with was Quake3 and somewhat less UT2004. Is there anything these days equivalent? Everything went all "realistic" bullshiat over a decade ago and every game I have tried since then sucks. Modern 3D engines also feel like shiat too. They feel annoyingly rigid, unlike the old Quake games that have a very smooth fluid natural feel. Modern engine designers seem to completely ignore making the user experience feel good. They're too focused on graphics.

I have never played a MMORPG and don't plan to. It's not that think I wouldn't like it but because I recognize they are just huge pointless time sinks.
 
2014-01-15 05:38:30 PM

vodka: The last game I had any fun with was Quake3 and somewhat less UT2004. Is there anything these days equivalent? Everything went all "realistic" bullshiat over a decade ago and every game I have tried since then sucks. Modern 3D engines also feel like shiat too. They feel annoyingly rigid, unlike the old Quake games that have a very smooth fluid natural feel. Modern engine designers seem to completely ignore making the user experience feel good. They're too focused on graphics.

I have never played a MMORPG and don't plan to. It's not that think I wouldn't like it but because I recognize they are just huge pointless time sinks.


So... basically... you stopped changing when you got old but the world didn't stop changing with you?

Welcome to the club, gramps. :\
 
2014-01-15 07:21:39 PM
PCWorld still exists??
 
2014-01-16 12:50:16 AM
As a console-turned-PC-gamer (just last year) I have to say that PC is WAAAY easier than it used to be and the deals on Steam mean cheap games that can be played at way higher resolutions and better graphics.

I used to HATE pc gaming...all of the shiatty patches, configuring, etc.  I still run into bugs from time to time, but it is really rare these days if you get a halfway decent machine.  You don't need to invest in some ridiculous branded "gaming rig"; just get something with good specs and upgrade the GPU and you're done.

I still play both consoles from time to time and really enjoy them, but until Oculus for consoles comes out, I am sure I will find it difficult to find anything that competes with a setup that allows me to play at 60+ FPS in 5992 x 1080 resolution.  Add mods and not only is It just more fun; there is content that you just can't get playing on console.
 
2014-01-16 06:54:29 AM

skozlaw: HindiDiscoMonster: /Just in case it was unclear...

The internet is not a compute cloud.


you are the first person in the thread to use the term correctly... congrads.
 
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