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2014-01-15 06:52:20 AM  

Piizzadude: iq_in_binary: Piizzadude: iq_in_binary: Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue

It shouldnt be an issue either way. If that was the assignment, then she should have been allowed to talk as when wanted.

I think it is being blown out of proportion, but I also think that the teacher overreacted.

And how was John 3 16 related to Christmas? I could MAYBE see Easter.

It was proselytizing, plain and simple. Teacher was in the right.

Following 6th grade logic, having been in the girls shoes, I do get it. The star is their tradition, mommy said the star was about jesus....and you can follow the logic through to 3:16.

Apparently the girl was following the assignment, and if the teacher says nothing, we hear nothing of this.


Teacher was right to say something. Proselytizing is not an acceptable activity in public school. Parent's should have been good citizens and sent their kids to a religious private school if they wanted the privilege. Too poor? FOAD.
 
2014-01-15 06:54:28 AM  
Had to read that twice. I thought it said Bieber the first time
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 06:54:52 AM  

Egoy3k: gja: iq_in_binary: OnlyM3: dletter [TotalFark]

Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue.

Are those of the hebrew faith also brainwashed? Muslims as well. Hindu too?

Yes.

It is really offensive that so many here are so self-righteous and smug in that they feel ANYTHING except atheism is a mental flaw worthy of derision, scorn, hate, vitriol and mocking.
The bigoted bias is getting old, and tiresome. And......
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If an otherwise completely sane man told you that he had invented a perpetual motion machine you would think him worthy of derision and scorn.  If you expressed your derision and scorn he would probably also conflate derision and scorn with hatred vitriol and mocking (that's just another word for derision by the way).  Why do you think your delusions should be treated with any greater respect than those of another person?  You say something dumb people will treat it as if it is dumb.  Why should religion get a pass?


Good for you! You have decided any religious belief is dumb without qualifying or quantifying what and how those people keep to it.

Is it suffocating in such a closed mind?

False physics is not equal to religion. Not always. Without knowing the person and what they hold as beliefs you are yourself dumb since you use such a blindly broad brush to paint them.
 
2014-01-15 07:05:46 AM  

gja: iq_in_binary: No. Sorry. I'm not intolerant, I'm sick and farking tired of having this stupid shiat thrust into the public discussion and for all the sins of the religious right in this country to be tossed out of memory. It's not just atheists that are affected, it's every non Christian in this country that has to put up with the hazing and repetitive belittling.

Lest you forget, it is an issue that they keep pressing.

First these mental midgets started by lobbying a born again Presbyterian President and congress to introduce religious screed to our National Motto and Pledge of Allegiance in the 50s. Not happy with how ingrained secularism was in our society at the time, they then proceeded over the next decades to scrawl their paraphernalia on our courthouses, schools and public institutions all across the country. They've forced themselves into every aspect of our life from our children's education, our employment, and our legislative processes. They were extremely active in the 80's and 90's, blowing up anything and everything they could from the Olympics to the OKC building.

We're talking about the same kinds of people who when called on the failures of Abstinence Only education had the farking gall to say it failed because it wasn't religious enough. The same dipshiats who have passed laws making it implicitly legal to bully children into suicide in the name of their deity.

When the people whose uvulas they've been rather ceremoniously rogering with Jesus' cock bite down a little bit for want of air, they don't then get to claim religious persecution. Religion is fine to practice in the privacy of your own home. The rest of us don't have to put up with it in public, especially where our children are concerned.

Do you hear yourself? You aren't intolerant, you say, yet you rail on and on.

The 50's are done, move on, those days are passed. Let it go. A lot of what you are pissed at is getting slowly fixed.

"They were extremely active in the 80's and 90's, ...


Were minorities intolerant during the civil rights movement?

I'd love to hear your explanation for that.

WI and MI, btw. I'm not your research assistant. If you aren't willing to keep track of your own cult, don't expect me to go through the effort of doing it for you. A month of TF will absolve you of all that, you'll have at least paid me for my time to do your own damn IA investigation for you. As much of a pittance it may have been. And at $5, I'm working pretty farking cheap.

Until then, don't expect to be taken seriously. And you don't even deserve the normal right of being given the benefit of the doubt.

Being ignorant is something you pay others to do, I don't have any inherent interest in bucking the trend. Taking a lesson from the Koch brothers is only the smart thing to do given precedent.
 
2014-01-15 07:18:09 AM  

Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.

and the girl in the article was trying to lead the class in prayer...oh wait, no she wasn't.

Also, It is NEVER wrong to pray to God for the sake of praying to God (in public, in private, during the day, at night, etc)....what IS WRONG is when you pray to God for the sake of 'showing off' to other people.


Which Jesus himself called proselytizing. Follow your own book, fool. You pray in the privacy of your own home.

I was raised Christian. Unless you're regularly volunteering at local soup kitchens, don't even bother.
 
2014-01-15 07:26:03 AM  

iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.

and the girl in the article was trying to lead the class in prayer...oh wait, no she wasn't.

Also, It is NEVER wrong to pray to God for the sake of praying to God (in public, in private, during the day, at night, etc)....what IS WRONG is when you pray to God for the sake of 'showing off' to other people.

Which Jesus himself called proselytizing. Follow your own book, fool. You pray in the privacy of your own home.

I was raised Christian. Unless you're regularly volunteering at local soup kitchens, don't even bother.


You may have been raised in a Christian household, but that doesn't mean YOU are a Christian or that you were 'raised Christian'. Regardless of your parents faith and regardless of your upbringing it is clear that your seed of faith was not planted in fertile soil.
 
2014-01-15 07:33:10 AM  

Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.

and the girl in the article was trying to lead the class in prayer...oh wait, no she wasn't.

Also, It is NEVER wrong to pray to God for the sake of praying to God (in public, in private, during the day, at night, etc)....what IS WRONG is when you pray to God for the sake of 'showing off' to other people.

Which Jesus himself called proselytizing. Follow your own book, fool. You pray in the privacy of your own home.

I was raised Christian. Unless you're regularly volunteering at local soup kitchens, don't even bother.

You may have been raised in a Christian household, but that doesn't mean YOU are a Christian or that you were 'raised Christian'. Regardless of your parents faith and regardless of your upbringing it is clear that your seed of faith was not planted in fertile soil.


You're right. I'm Atheist. But I was raised by Christians. Actual Christians. The type that gave a shiat about the poor and wanted to help people regardless of their religion or sexual orientation. At least initially. My fall from faith was due to people like you. And my fall from faith did nothing to change my sincere faith in Christ. He's my favorite character in the book.

You people shiatting on his name really doesn't help. You should quit it if you have any serious intent on making John's intent a reality. Otherwise, you're not really Christian. Congrats on spreading the pagan faith.
 
2014-01-15 07:42:27 AM  

iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.

and the girl in the article was trying to lead the class in prayer...oh wait, no she wasn't.

Also, It is NEVER wrong to pray to God for the sake of praying to God (in public, in private, during the day, at night, etc)....what IS WRONG is when you pray to God for the sake of 'showing off' to other people.

Which Jesus himself called proselytizing. Follow your own book, fool. You pray in the privacy of your own home.

I was raised Christian. Unless you're regularly volunteering at local soup kitchens, don't even bother.

You may have been raised in a Christian household, but that doesn't mean YOU are a Christian or that you were 'raised Christian'. Regardless of your parents faith and regardless of your upbringing it is clear that your seed of faith was not planted in fertile soil.

You're right. I'm Atheist. But I was raised by Christians. Actual Christians. The type that gave a shiat about the poor and wanted to help people regardless of their religion or sexual orientation. At least initially. My fall from faith was due to people like you. And my fall from faith did nothing to change my sincere faith in Christ. He's my favorite character in the book.

You people shiatting on his name really doesn't help. You should quit it if you have any serious intent on making John's intent a reality. Otherwise, you're not really Christian. Congrats on spreading the pagan faith.


"You people" ('Us people', 'me') shiatting on his name isn't helping??? but the crap you spew is helping??? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. /wink
 
2014-01-15 07:54:13 AM  

Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.

and the girl in the article was trying to lead the class in prayer...oh wait, no she wasn't.

Also, It is NEVER wrong to pray to God for the sake of praying to God (in public, in private, during the day, at night, etc)....what IS WRONG is when you pray to God for the sake of 'showing off' to other people.

Which Jesus himself called proselytizing. Follow your own book, fool. You pray in the privacy of your own home.

I was raised Christian. Unless you're regularly volunteering at local soup kitchens, don't even bother.

You may have been raised in a Christian household, but that doesn't mean YOU are a Christian or that you were 'raised Christian'. Regardless of your parents faith and regardless of your upbringing it is clear that your seed of faith was not planted in fertile soil.

You're right. I'm Atheist. But I was raised by Christians. Actual Christians. The type that gave a shiat about the poor and wanted to help people regardless of their religion or sexual orientation. At least initially. My fall from faith was due to people like you. And my fall from faith did nothing to change my sincere faith in Christ. He's my favorite character in the book.

You people shiatting on his name really doesn't help. You should quit it if you have any serious intent on making John's intent a reality. Otherwise, you're not really Christian. Congrats on spreading the pagan faith.

"You people" ('Us people', 'me') shiatting on his name isn't helping??? but the crap you spew is helping??? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. /wink


Welcome to the realm of self fulfilling prophecies. You keep denying it. And you enforce it at every step by doing so.

Go fark yourself, your hatred and intolerance at every step is going to be the downfall of the movement in general. Enjoy being the very reason everything you fight against comes true.

Hell, I'm saving this little conversation just to savor the butt hurt when it becomes nationwide in about 4 months.

Yeah 4 months. Put that on the list of fark predictions. The one's you're wrong about. Or do you want to argue about miscegenation laws too?
 
2014-01-15 08:01:03 AM  

iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.

and the girl in the article was trying to lead the class in prayer...oh wait, no she wasn't.

Also, It is NEVER wrong to pray to God for the sake of praying to God (in public, in private, during the day, at night, etc)....what IS WRONG is when you pray to God for the sake of 'showing off' to other people.

Which Jesus himself called proselytizing. Follow your own book, fool. You pray in the privacy of your own home.

I was raised Christian. Unless you're regularly volunteering at local soup kitchens, don't even bother.

You may have been raised in a Christian household, but that doesn't mean YOU are a Christian or that you were 'raised Christian'. Regardless of your parents faith and regardless of your upbringing it is clear that your seed of faith was not planted in fertile soil.

You're right. I'm Atheist. But I was raised by Christians. Actual Christians. The type that gave a shiat about the poor and wanted to help people regardless of their religion or sexual orientation. At least initially. My fall from faith was due to people like you. And my fall from faith did nothing to change my sincere faith in Christ. He's my favorite character in the book.

You people shiatting on his name really doesn't help. You should quit it if you have any serious intent on making John's intent a reality. Otherwise, you're not really Christian. Congrats on spreading the pagan faith.

"You people" ('Us people', 'me') shiatting on his name isn't helping??? but the crap you spew is helping??? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. /wink

Welcome to the realm of self fulfilling prophecies. You keep denying it. And you enforce it at every step by doing so.

Go fark yourself, your hatred and intolerance at every step is going to be the downfall of the movement in general. Enjoy being the very reason everything ...


My hatred??? The only 'hate' I had left died with my step-father and his mother over a decade ago. There are many things that I don't agree with, and a few things I really don't like, but hate...That's your bag, not mine.
 
2014-01-15 08:03:14 AM  
IANAL. What makes this kid's talk problematic isn't 'bible verses' in itself*, but rather 'captive audience'. The other students in the class may not be required to listen to proselytizing. It doesn't matter if it's a teacher, a 3rd party, or a student doing it.

/  (*Not even Lemon restricted students all that much and the standard, now, is 'neutrality'.)
 
2014-01-15 08:07:15 AM  

gja: iq_in_binary: OnlyM3: dletter [TotalFark]

Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue.

Are those of the hebrew faith also brainwashed? Muslims as well. Hindu too?

It is really offensive that so many here are so self-righteous and smug in that they feel ANYTHING except atheism is a mental flaw worthy of derision, scorn, hate, vitriol and mocking.
The bigoted bias is getting old, and tiresome. And......
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Yes, brainwashed. All religious people are stupid and brainwashed. Including YOU.
 
2014-01-15 08:14:12 AM  

OnlyM3: dletter [TotalFark]


Was there other Jewish, Muslim, etc kids that were allowed to talk for a minute about their religion in class?

If so, then, there is a point to me made here..... either she should have gotten "equal time", or those kids shouldn't have been able to ramble on either. Bigot, illiterate, or both?

FTFA (written at 4th-6th grade reading level )
the teacher instructed boys and girls to find something at home that represented a family Christmas tradition. They were supposed to bring the item to school and share the item in a classroom presentation.
Yes every crotch-fruit was able to give their own presentation.

/// fark supported CA forcing children to take islamic names and partake in Jihad games. The bigotry around here is amusing.


Skimmed the article (like 50% of the people who post on Fark, so?)....

In that case though, it was possibly a biased "assignment" to begin with... if you don't celebrate Christmas, you don't have a "Christmas Tradition" then.... although, article writers are notoriously lazy... the assignment might have been to represent a "holiday tradition".   But, if it was just Christmas, it was a little bit out of line anyway, and certainly then you can't complain about a kid talking Bible verses if the assignment was "Your Christmas traditions".

I will say the teacher sounds like they were a bit harsh.... a 1st grader isn't really aware of the difference between "educating" and "Proselytizing".... talking about the Bible and Christianity in school isn't necessarily wrong if it is done from a "this is what some people believe" standpoint vs "teaching the bible" as fact.    IMO, what she said wasn't over the line, and we'll never know what the rest of it would have been, outside of reciting John 3:16.   But, as I said, a 6 year old kid isn't going to have the nuance to make it "educational" vs. "proselytizing".
 
2014-01-15 08:20:51 AM  

Combustion: gja: iq_in_binary: OnlyM3: dletter [TotalFark]

Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue.

Are those of the hebrew faith also brainwashed? Muslims as well. Hindu too?

It is really offensive that so many here are so self-righteous and smug in that they feel ANYTHING except atheism is a mental flaw worthy of derision, scorn, hate, vitriol and mocking.
The bigoted bias is getting old, and tiresome. And......
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Yes, brainwashed. All religious people are stupid and brainwashed. Including YOU

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ahahahahahahaha

You're that stupid.

I know more about your own religion than you could even hope to forget. Whether you be Catholic, Christian, Presbyterian, etc.

Your own damn holy book was collated by a committee in order to ease conversion. By pagans, no less.

Do not try to speak down to me on matters of faith.
 
2014-01-15 08:24:24 AM  

gja: Good for you! You have decided any religious belief is dumb without qualifying or quantifying what and how those people keep to it.


This is correct. I don't believe that magic is real.  I have seen no evidence whatsoever of magic being real and blind belief without evidence is pretty damn dumb.

Is it suffocating in such a closed mind?

Nope.

False physics is not equal to religion. Not always.

Actually it's pretty much exactly the same. All magical claims made by theists are false physics.


Without knowing the person and what they hold as beliefs you are yourself dumb since you use such a blindly broad brush to paint them.

I don't care why someone believes in things that they have zero evidence to support. Also I never called theists dumb, just their beliefs.
 
2014-01-15 08:26:11 AM  
This is only right as school is for learning about real things.
 
2014-01-15 08:30:38 AM  
Also, keep your religion out of state funded areas.

All of the areas. The court, the school, everywhere.

All your religions too, although it`s mainly the Christians that really push theirs onto other people in those state funded areas.
 
2014-01-15 08:32:28 AM  

Egoy3k: I don't care why someone believes in things that they have zero evidence to support. Also I never called theists dumb, just their beliefs.


Stupid is as stupid does. I prefer to call people who believe things for which there is no proof `delusional`.

You can be smart and deluded, like some of the religious
 
2014-01-15 09:00:08 AM  

iq_in_binary: Go fark yourself, your hatred and intolerance


This is what cognitive dissonance looks like.
 
2014-01-15 09:16:14 AM  
let the kid read her fairy tale. what's it going to do? make fewer kids believe in santa? make some atheist kids go home and ask "who is god?" and give their parents a chance to explain how people make up magical men in the sky so they don't have to think about how the entirety of human existence has played out on the surface of a tiny ball of rock hurtling through the howling vacuum of space, circling a huge nuclear reaction which will one day reach out and scorch this planet to a cinder.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 09:28:48 AM  

iq_in_binary: Were minorities intolerant during the civil rights movement?

I'd love to hear your explanation for that.

WI and MI, btw. I'm not your research assistant. If you aren't willing to keep track of your own cult, don't expect me to go through the effort of doing it for you. A month of TF will absolve you of all that, you'll have at least paid me for my time to do your own damn IA investigation for you. As much of a pittance it may have been. And at $5, I'm working pretty farking cheap.

Until then, don't expect to be taken seriously. And you don't even deserve the normal right of being given the benefit of the doubt.

Being ignorant is something you pay others to do, I don't have any inherent interest in bucking the trend. Taking a lesson from the Koch brothers is only the smart thing to do given precedent.


LOL. You think atheists faced the same iniquities as minorities? You are truly out there.

Good day. Welcome to the tag :::nonsense::::.
 
2014-01-15 09:34:58 AM  
It's only persecution if you're talking about racism or homosexuality
 
2014-01-15 09:45:58 AM  
My first grade daughter says a blessing at the lunch table before she eats at school. By the end of the week, all the kids around her were doing it, and now the whole class does it. Nobody is making them.
 
2014-01-15 09:47:44 AM  
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2014-01-15 09:54:12 AM  

iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: And how was John 3 16 related to Christmas? I could MAYBE see Easter.

It was proselytizing, plain and simple. Teacher was in the right.

Do you know what proselytizing means???

Even at Church on Sunday during a 90 minute service the proselytizing bit lasts for like 3 minutes at the very end of the service.

...Talking about the Bible is not proselytizing
...Quoting the Bible is not proselytizing
...Asking people to convert to another faith IS proselytizing.

Unless this child asked for students to convert their faith, it is NOT proselytizing.

Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.


Or it's just showing off/can't be heard as well when you're shouting it in a crowd.

On another note. I wonder how many realize that prayer is sending thoughts addressed to God, and therefore bowing your head and closing your eyes in a restaurant works exactly the same as sitting there with eyes wide open and taking few seconds before the first bite.
 
2014-01-15 09:57:09 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: My first grade daughter says a blessing at the lunch table before she eats at school. By the end of the week, all the kids around her were doing it, and now the whole class does it. Nobody is making them.


young children are impressionable. this is a good example as to why shoving religion - any religion - down their throats in a public setting is a bad thing.
 
2014-01-15 09:57:09 AM  

iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.

and the girl in the article was trying to lead the class in prayer...oh wait, no she wasn't.

Also, It is NEVER wrong to pray to God for the sake of praying to God (in public, in private, during the day, at night, etc)....what IS WRONG is when you pray to God for the sake of 'showing off' to other people.

Which Jesus himself called proselytizing. Follow your own book, fool. You pray in the privacy of your own home.

I was raised Christian. Unless you're regularly volunteering at local soup kitchens, don't even bother.


Praying unceasing is in there too.  Which one's more accurate.
 
2014-01-15 09:59:41 AM  

untaken_name: How in the blue blazes can you talk about Christmas without bringing up the Bible? Christ Mass - yeah, nothing Bible-related about that...


Easy. You talk about the pagan traditions that Christians co-opted to try to make their beliefs more popular.
 
2014-01-15 10:01:59 AM  

cwolf20: iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: And how was John 3 16 related to Christmas? I could MAYBE see Easter.

It was proselytizing, plain and simple. Teacher was in the right.

Do you know what proselytizing means???

Even at Church on Sunday during a 90 minute service the proselytizing bit lasts for like 3 minutes at the very end of the service.

...Talking about the Bible is not proselytizing
...Quoting the Bible is not proselytizing
...Asking people to convert to another faith IS proselytizing.

Unless this child asked for students to convert their faith, it is NOT proselytizing.

Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.

Or it's just showing off/can't be heard as well when you're shouting it in a crowd.

On another note. I wonder how many realize that prayer is sending thoughts addressed to God, and therefore bowing your head and closing your eyes in a restaurant works exactly the same as sitting there with eyes wide open and taking few seconds before the first bite.


Agreed.  Many of these are the same people that insist that you gather in a public place when God is supposedly just as in the living room with you as you watch the game as he is when you skip the game and go listen to someone telling you how/what to think.
 
2014-01-15 10:02:23 AM  

fusillade762: BSABSVR: Todd Starnes? I'm going to go ahead and assume that there are some significant facts missing from this version of the story.

Had to look him up. Apparently he's the guy who said last year's Miss America didn't "represent American values," because she's of Indian descent. The guy sounds like a professional troll.


Winnah winnah chikin dinnah.
 
2014-01-15 10:06:25 AM  
*sigh* When you don't pay teachers enough this is what you get. Stupid teacher, as an employee of the school district you, the teacher, can't talk about religion (any of them), can't encourage children to talk about religion (any of them), and certainly can't lead prayer. A child can pray in school, can talk about their traditions, and can preach their religion as an individual.

As an atheist, sometimes I wonder how in the fark we evolved to be tool using, pattern recognizing, enlightened apes.
 
2014-01-15 10:08:02 AM  

grumpfuff: untaken_name: How in the blue blazes can you talk about Christmas without bringing up the Bible? Christ Mass - yeah, nothing Bible-related about that...

Easy. You talk about the pagan traditions that Christians co-opted to try to make their beliefs more popular.


So you can talk about Christian beliefs as long as you don't mention the Bible? And yeah, Christians are pagans, but pagans are religious too. Is the prohibition against religious proselytizing or just Christian proselytizing?
 
2014-01-15 10:20:26 AM  

untaken_name: grumpfuff: untaken_name: How in the blue blazes can you talk about Christmas without bringing up the Bible? Christ Mass - yeah, nothing Bible-related about that...

Easy. You talk about the pagan traditions that Christians co-opted to try to make their beliefs more popular.

So you can talk about Christian beliefs as long as you don't mention the Bible? And yeah, Christians are pagans, but pagans are religious too. Is the prohibition against religious proselytizing or just Christian proselytizing?



I merely answered your question. I said nothing about what you can and cannot prohibit. And no, Christians are not pagans.
 
2014-01-15 10:28:04 AM  

grumpfuff: untaken_name: grumpfuff: untaken_name: How in the blue blazes can you talk about Christmas without bringing up the Bible? Christ Mass - yeah, nothing Bible-related about that...

Easy. You talk about the pagan traditions that Christians co-opted to try to make their beliefs more popular.

So you can talk about Christian beliefs as long as you don't mention the Bible? And yeah, Christians are pagans, but pagans are religious too. Is the prohibition against religious proselytizing or just Christian proselytizing?


I merely answered your question. I said nothing about what you can and cannot prohibit. And no, Christians are not pagans.


Even I can see you're not saying that.  Co-opt isn't the same as becoming.
 
2014-01-15 10:38:42 AM  

untaken_name: Is the prohibition against religious proselytizing or just Christian proselytizing?


ALL proselytizing. i don't want a bunch of smelly druids talking to my kids about the moon and trees, goddamnit!
 
2014-01-15 10:41:54 AM  
What? Since when do schools tell kids they can't play make-believe?
 
2014-01-15 10:48:13 AM  
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Suprised the teacher didn't have the kid jailed for saying 'bible'
 
2014-01-15 10:52:53 AM  

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Suprised the teacher didn't have the kid jailed for saying 'bible'


is that a chick tract?

btw, i really do find it highly amusing that the WORLD'S LARGEST RELIGION believes that it's persecuted by atheists.
 
2014-01-15 11:02:05 AM  
Not much longer until it is a felony to own a bible, or say any words from it.

The govt is scared poopless about that book

and the Author

MLK Jr. RIP
 
2014-01-15 11:12:34 AM  
Atheist Farkers: The kind of people that stand a few feet away from the Mall Santa and whisper "There is no Santa Claus. That guy is just a pedophile" to the kids as they get off of Santa's lap.
 
2014-01-15 11:12:53 AM  

FlashHarry: MythDragon: [media.chick.com image 468x240]
[media.chick.com image 468x240]

Suprised the teacher didn't have the kid jailed for saying 'bible'

is that a chick tract?

btw, i really do find it highly amusing that the WORLD'S LARGEST RELIGION believes that it's persecuted by atheists.


it IS a chick tract.
They have them all on Chick.com, even the out of print ones.

My two most favorites
The Death Cookie
The Last Generation

They should make some of these into movies. They would be pure awesome.
 
2014-01-15 11:16:31 AM  

Lee451: Atheist Farkers: The kind of people that stand a few feet away from the Mall Santa and whisper "There is no Santa Claus. That guy is just a pedophile" to the kids as they get off of Santa's lap.


Oh please. That's what Christian farkers do. Atheists and Christians high five each other while giving Santa a hip flask so he can be dragged screaming by police.
 
2014-01-15 11:17:48 AM  

give me doughnuts: FunkOut: Yesterday my 5 year old saw a picture of Shiva and asked who it was. I said he was a Hindu god. She asked me what a god was. I said they were superheroes from another planet. She seemed convinced since he was blue with many arms.

Approves:
[litreactor.com image 315x475]


ZELAZNY ftw, good going
 
2014-01-15 11:18:13 AM  

cwolf20: Lee451: Atheist Farkers: The kind of people that stand a few feet away from the Mall Santa and whisper "There is no Santa Claus. That guy is just a pedophile" to the kids as they get off of Santa's lap.

Oh please. That's what Christian farkers do. Atheists and Christians high five each other while giving Santa a hip flask so he can be dragged screaming by police.


Speaking of.  Next Christmas I need to find an atheist to join me in proving that Atheists and Christians do that.
 
2014-01-15 11:54:22 AM  

Sgt Otter: give me doughnuts: FunkOut: Yesterday my 5 year old saw a picture of Shiva and asked who it was. I said he was a Hindu god. She asked me what a god was. I said they were superheroes from another planet. She seemed convinced since he was blue with many arms.

Approves:

[img.fark.net image 315x475]

I became curious about this when I heard it was the basis of the fake sci-fi movie in "Argo."  Is it any good?


Yeah, I mentioned it upthread. Pretty good book IMHO.
 
2014-01-15 07:44:20 PM  
I can't tell if there's more BS in the article or in this thread. Assuming the events happened as reported the first amendment was violated. That's not the end of the world, but educate the teacher and principal and move on. I've been getting a kick out of all of the childrearing advice given here but only the adviser's perspective on religion is correct.
 
2014-01-15 08:52:15 PM  

MythDragon: [media.chick.com image 468x240]
[media.chick.com image 468x240]

Suprised the teacher didn't have the kid jailed for saying 'bible'



Surprised the other kids haven't gotten sick of the little bastich and beaten the shiat out of them. I was a good Catholic boy, one of many, with a lot of Lutheran kids in school too. One little religious f*cker wouldn't shut up about God. He got the shiat kicked out of him by everyone until he learned to shut up. Even the Jehovah's Witness knew to STFU about God. A farking Jehovah's Witness kid.

We were all sick of the God shiat by the time we escaped religious primary school.

You want to make a generation of little atheists, stick kids in a religious school.
 
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