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2014-01-14 11:13:22 PM  
Religious indoctrination of minors is child abuse.
 
2014-01-14 11:13:26 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: serial_crusher: Sounds to me like her assignment was to talk about her show and tell item.  If her item had been a bible, I'd say quotes from it were fair game.  Nope, she brought a star.  John 3:16 has nothing to do with stars.  It's really more of an Easter thing.

I thought 3:16 was more about rainbow colored wigs.


It's about winning football games.
 
2014-01-14 11:13:48 PM  
Matthew 6:5-6

feel free to use it on anyone that brings up prayer before anything.
 
2014-01-14 11:14:45 PM  

Gothnet: I said they were superheroes from another planet.


Good thing you're not teaching her to believe bullshiat impossible stories.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-14 11:15:54 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: serial_crusher: Sounds to me like her assignment was to talk about her show and tell item.  If her item had been a bible, I'd say quotes from it were fair game.  Nope, she brought a star.  John 3:16 has nothing to do with stars.  It's really more of an Easter thing.

I thought 3:16 was more about rainbow colored wigs.


www.amctheatres.com
 
2014-01-14 11:17:09 PM  

ultraholland: brimed03: Didn't QA just get the banhammer for raving?

how? why?


I missed the thread, but apparently he went off on 3D printing-- which apparently was a hobby horse for him-- in a thread that had nothing remotely to do with that topic... it was one straw too many for the mods.  TBH, I don't know a hell of a lot about this, I'm just repeating what someone else explained in a different thread earlier today.  Maybe I shouldn't have referenced it in my rant, in case it isn't what I think it is.  Seeing Starnes columns makes me lose my cool.  And I have so little of that to begin with.

The following was posted-- by QA, or humorous mods, dunno which-- in his profile:

Quantum Apostrophe passed away on December 25th 2013 on a routine space mission. Lightning struck the 3D printer module of the private Mars spacecraft en route to colonize the Red planet. Without a steady supply of plastic trinkets and dubious quality parts, the self-destruct was activated from the ground at 11:00AM EST.
Survived by his two cats, his last wish was that Unchellmatt be reimbursed the fraction of the TF that will not be used, $1.25.


I also see the following has been added, presumably by QA(?):

Somewhere on Mars, in a tool shed behind Elon Musk's condo, lies a Makerbot... Connected to it is a thumb drive with all my posts and DNA... One day a Barsoomian creature will accidentally hit the power switch and I will come back stronger than ever before!

Hey, who are you to tell me the limits of my imagination?

I thought about it, therefore it can will happen!
 
2014-01-14 11:21:55 PM  

mouser_inc: Matthew 6:5-6

feel free to use it on anyone that brings up prayer before anything.


Had to look that one up. It would be a cool one to have on a card in my wallet I could just quietly hand to them with a smile on my face.

Have a nice day...
 
2014-01-14 11:23:37 PM  
Fine by me. Oh, and screw Xmas. Just give gifts and be good to each other.
 
2014-01-14 11:25:11 PM  
It used to be considered just "that's cute" when a little kiddie stood up and did that.
 
2014-01-14 11:27:23 PM  

mouser_inc: Matthew 6:5-6

feel free to use it on anyone that brings up prayer before anything.


There is a difference between those praying for show, and those leading others in a group prayer.  And what about those that pray quietly before they do something like eating alone?

Although, I use that when I think about the folks that believe they have to repent in the middle of a church service as oppose to doing it at home.  I've seen many make a big show about repenting in public.  Protestants are big on that.  If you are really repenting of something, you would pray about it when no one can hear you.  Because then you are more likely meaning it when you aren't doing it to show other people how 'good' you are.  I learned just how fake the public repenting can be, from some 'religious' people I knew as a kid.
 
2014-01-14 11:27:35 PM  

brimed03: ultraholland: brimed03: Didn't QA just get the banhammer for raving?

how? why?

I missed the thread, but apparently he went off on 3D printing-- which apparently was a hobby horse for him-- in a thread that had nothing remotely to do with that topic... it was one straw too many for the mods.  TBH, I don't know a hell of a lot about this, I'm just repeating what someone else explained in a different thread earlier today.  Maybe I shouldn't have referenced it in my rant, in case it isn't what I think it is.  Seeing Starnes columns makes me lose my cool.  And I have so little of that to begin with.

The following was posted-- by QA, or humorous mods, dunno which-- in his profile:

Quantum Apostrophe passed away on December 25th 2013 on a routine space mission. Lightning struck the 3D printer module of the private Mars spacecraft en route to colonize the Red planet. Without a steady supply of plastic trinkets and dubious quality parts, the self-destruct was activated from the ground at 11:00AM EST.
Survived by his two cats, his last wish was that Unchellmatt be reimbursed the fraction of the TF that will not be used, $1.25.

I also see the following has been added, presumably by QA(?):

Somewhere on Mars, in a tool shed behind Elon Musk's condo, lies a Makerbot... Connected to it is a thumb drive with all my posts and DNA... One day a Barsoomian creature will accidentally hit the power switch and I will come back stronger than ever before!

Hey, who are you to tell me the limits of my imagination?

I thought about it, therefore it can will happen!


That must have been the thread about the guy who's car got damaged at Walmart while getting new tires. I remember being in that thread in Christmas and QA coming in there demanding someone explain how 3D printers could fix the car... When no one had mentioned it at all, not even the article.
 
2014-01-14 11:27:55 PM  

gja: iq_in_binary: OnlyM3: dletter [TotalFark]

Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue.

Are those of the hebrew faith also brainwashed? Muslims as well. Hindu too?

It is really offensive that so many here are so self-righteous and smug in that they feel ANYTHING except atheism is a mental flaw worthy of derision, scorn, hate, vitriol and mocking.
The bigoted bias is getting old, and tiresome. And......
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No. Sorry. I'm not intolerant, I'm sick and farking tired of having this stupid shiat thrust into the public discussion and for all the sins of the religious right in this country to be tossed out of memory. It's not just atheists that are affected, it's every non Christian in this country that has to put up with the hazing and repetitive belittling.

Lest you forget, it is an issue that they keep pressing.

First these mental midgets started by lobbying a born again Presbyterian President and congress to introduce religious screed to our National Motto and Pledge of Allegiance in the 50s. Not happy with how ingrained secularism was in our society at the time, they then proceeded over the next decades to scrawl their paraphernalia on our courthouses, schools and public institutions all across the country. They've forced themselves into every aspect of our life from our children's education, our employment, and our legislative processes. They were extremely active in the 80's and 90's, blowing up anything and everything they could from the Olympics to the OKC building.

We're talking about the same kinds of people who when called on the failures of Abstinence Only education had the farking gall to say it failed because it wasn't religious enough. The same dipshiats who have passed laws making it implicitly legal to bully children into suicide in the name of their deity.

When the people whose uvulas they've been rather ceremoniously rogering with Jesus' cock bite down a little bit for want of air, they don't then get to claim religious persecution. Religion is fine to practice in the privacy of your own home. The rest of us don't have to put up with it in public, especially where our children are concerned.
 
2014-01-14 11:28:00 PM  

untaken_name: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: serial_crusher: Sounds to me like her assignment was to talk about her show and tell item.  If her item had been a bible, I'd say quotes from it were fair game.  Nope, she brought a star.  John 3:16 has nothing to do with stars.  It's really more of an Easter thing.

I thought 3:16 was more about rainbow colored wigs.

It's about winning football games.


My memory's a little fuzzy, but I think it had something to do with Stone Cold saying so.
 
2014-01-14 11:30:19 PM  

lack of warmth: There is a difference between those praying for show, and those leading others in a group prayer


Yep, pretty much this.
 
2014-01-14 11:30:42 PM  
Why the fark is there a first grader who won't shut up about the Bible in school? That's clearly not right.
 
2014-01-14 11:30:51 PM  
I just wish that Christians would be adult enough to give the rest of us back the Solstice and move their holiday back to somewhere between March and October. You know when there would have actually been Shepards and sheep in the fields.

Honestly, they sit in a pew every year and talk about Shepard's being in the fields in Palestine in December.
 
2014-01-14 11:31:11 PM  
After we let people take whatever drugs they want as long as they are not harming anyone else, we should bring back circuses and lions.

Then all the Christians who want to claim to be persecuted can do so honestly without breaking the ninth.  It wouldn't need to be mandatory, just let them volunteer.
 
2014-01-14 11:35:14 PM  

NathanAllen: I just wish that Christians would be adult enough to give the rest of us back the Solstice and move their holiday back to somewhere between March and October. You know when there would have actually been Shepards and sheep in the fields.

Honestly, they sit in a pew every year and talk about Shepard's being in the fields in Palestine in December.


Climate change?
 
2014-01-14 11:47:46 PM  

serial_crusher: NathanAllen: I just wish that Christians would be adult enough to give the rest of us back the Solstice and move their holiday back to somewhere between March and October. You know when there would have actually been Shepards and sheep in the fields.

Honestly, they sit in a pew every year and talk about Shepard's being in the fields in Palestine in December.

Climate change?


Constantine knew that he couldn't manage such a mire of a state religious situation without trying to make the new religion sweeping like wildfire through his region attractive to the unconverted. Saturnalia, Yule, I don't think Dies Notalis Solis Invicti was around during Constantine's time, but the solstice and equinox holidays celebrated by practically every culture in the region at the time was a good way of easing conversion while he consolidated power in the church. Some shifting had to be done in order to manage it.

Easter is another example of this strategic shifting. If I remember the most likely time for Jesus's crucifixion would have been well into summer. I'm too lazy to track all the papers down to cite, but that's the gist of it.
 
2014-01-14 11:47:53 PM  
SHUT THE fark UP KID.

SANTA'S NOT REAL, GOD'S NOT REAL, WHEN MUMMY AND DADDY AND THEN EVENTUALLY YOU DIE YOU'RE ALL JUST GOING TO ROT IN THE GROUND YOU GOT IT YOU LITTLE shiatBIRD
 
2014-01-14 11:48:04 PM  

Tarkus: These same people would have a fit if a Muslim child started talking about the Koran.


Much like other religion-haters, they are curiously quiet when the word Muslim shows up.
 
2014-01-14 11:57:17 PM  

gja: iq_in_binary: OnlyM3: dletter [TotalFark]

Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue.

Are those of the hebrew faith also brainwashed? Muslims as well. Hindu too?


Yes.

It is really offensive that so many here are so self-righteous and smug in that they feel ANYTHING except atheism is a mental flaw worthy of derision, scorn, hate, vitriol and mocking.
The bigoted bias is getting old, and tiresome. And......
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If an otherwise completely sane man told you that he had invented a perpetual motion machine you would think him worthy of derision and scorn.  If you expressed your derision and scorn he would probably also conflate derision and scorn with hatred vitriol and mocking (that's just another word for derision by the way).  Why do you think your delusions should be treated with any greater respect than those of another person?  You say something dumb people will treat it as if it is dumb.  Why should religion get a pass?
 
2014-01-14 11:57:35 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-14 11:59:37 PM  

mongbiohazard: Oh yay, Todd Starnes again. Rest assured if he's writing about it then it's pretty much guaranteed to be weapons grade bullshiat. It always is with that guy.


Also, is it just or does this guy have the most punchable face in journalism?
 
2014-01-15 12:03:25 AM  

untaken_name: Gothnet: I said they were superheroes from another planet.

Good thing you're not teaching her to believe bullshiat impossible stories.


Umm, that wasn't my comment originally.

OTOH I fully support that, it's a good explanation, and puts them in the same light as (for example) spiderman and the hulk. i.e. fiction. Or would you never give a child fiction?
 
2014-01-15 12:06:41 AM  

TommyJReed: MooseUpNorth: FunkOut: Yesterday my 5 year old saw a picture of Shiva and asked who it was. I said he was a Hindu god. She asked me what a god was. I said they were superheroes from another planet. She seemed convinced since he was blue with many arms.

Shame on  you for misinfroming your child. Shiva is a scantily clad ice goddess (or demi-goddess) that you summon in most of the games in the Final Fantasy franchise (except in VIII, where doing so causes you to die of old age waiting for the interminable unskippable summons animations to complete.)

The reason for the VIII summons being unskippable was that you could hold the select button down and then repeatedly tap the square button to boost their damage during the animation


FINALLY someone that understands the fundamentals of the game and not someone that just looks at the 'fun bits'

(Okay, so I did both as a kid)
 
2014-01-15 12:13:50 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: nickdaisy: Now be fair Farkers-- don't start blaming Fox News and everyone else who doesn't have multiple piercings and a job that pays by the hour. Fair is fair. This kid can espouse whatever beliefs his little mind can formulate (or more likely regurgitate) as long as he's not interfering with the running of the school. He's not a state institution and the school's not sanctioning his speech.

It's the same darn rule you get to use when they drag out that tired "dude wearing dress gets elected homecoming queen" story each year.  He's expressing his personal opinion. And just like the school can't stop someone from prancing around dressed like a freak, they can't stop someone from yapping about their favorite fairy tale.

Who's with me?

Trolly phrasing aside, I'm with you.

Wear a garbage bag and read the Upanishad or whatever. Long as it ain't official school policy, I don't care.


And when crazed religionists have recruited dozens of kids at each school to stand up and spontaneously start proselytizing in class, that'll be a-ok?
 
2014-01-15 12:30:13 AM  

what_now: A six year old that can recite Bible verses
A law firm called Advocates for Faith and Freedom Fox News Yeah, I'm sure this is an accurate representation of what happened


Safer for the school to tell him to shut the fark up. Safer for him that is, because at my school he would've gotten the shiat kicked out of him, in a small town, in America, by the other kids who were sick of listening. I'm not kidding about that. A bunch of Catholic and Lutheran kids proceeded to beat the shiat out of a kid that wouldn't shut the fark up about God.

/had the good sense to avoid the whole problem, he didn't
 
2014-01-15 12:34:17 AM  
Yeah, that kid's totally not brainwashed or anything...
 
2014-01-15 12:44:33 AM  
Eh, the teacher is actually correct.  The school can't legally give a soapbox to someone that's proselytizing.  I imagine that they don't even have this assignment at higher grade levels for that reason, and only have it at the first-grade level because they didn't imagine that a kid that young could already be so brainwashed they'd memorize a goddamned sermon to spout off when asked how their vacation went.

// On a side note, that's the kind of conversational sabotage crap that will sometimes get your ass kicked as an  adult.  Whether you start reciting the bible or fact sheets about the Pokemon games whenever anyone asks you about anything ever, at the best eventually you're just going to train people never to talk to you ever.
 
2014-01-15 01:22:47 AM  
I can imagine the other six year olds were rolling their eyes, already tired of this kid's shiat.
 
2014-01-15 01:26:41 AM  

DarkParodius: TommyJReed: MooseUpNorth: FunkOut: Yesterday my 5 year old saw a picture of Shiva and asked who it was. I said he was a Hindu god. She asked me what a god was. I said they were superheroes from another planet. She seemed convinced since he was blue with many arms.

Shame on  you for misinfroming your child. Shiva is a scantily clad ice goddess (or demi-goddess) that you summon in most of the games in the Final Fantasy franchise (except in VIII, where doing so causes you to die of old age waiting for the interminable unskippable summons animations to complete.)

The reason for the VIII summons being unskippable was that you could hold the select button down and then repeatedly tap the square button to boost their damage during the animation

FINALLY someone that understands the fundamentals of the game and not someone that just looks at the 'fun bits'

(Okay, so I did both as a kid)


I had fun doing a low level run on that.  Griever was the hardest because he could destroy your spells and reduce your stats.
 
2014-01-15 01:34:40 AM  

Starshines: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: nickdaisy: Now be fair Farkers-- don't start blaming Fox News and everyone else who doesn't have multiple piercings and a job that pays by the hour. Fair is fair. This kid can espouse whatever beliefs his little mind can formulate (or more likely regurgitate) as long as he's not interfering with the running of the school. He's not a state institution and the school's not sanctioning his speech.

It's the same darn rule you get to use when they drag out that tired "dude wearing dress gets elected homecoming queen" story each year.  He's expressing his personal opinion. And just like the school can't stop someone from prancing around dressed like a freak, they can't stop someone from yapping about their favorite fairy tale.

Who's with me?

Trolly phrasing aside, I'm with you.

Wear a garbage bag and read the Upanishad or whatever. Long as it ain't official school policy, I don't care.

And when crazed religionists have recruited dozens of kids at each school to stand up and spontaneously start proselytizing in class, that'll be a-ok?


Well that's pretty clearly disruptive. But I enjoy a good slippery slope, so what do ya say we get oiled up and go for a tumble?
 
2014-01-15 01:36:23 AM  

iq_in_binary: Piizzadude: iq_in_binary: Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue

It shouldnt be an issue either way. If that was the assignment, then she should have been allowed to talk as when wanted.

I think it is being blown out of proportion, but I also think that the teacher overreacted.

And how was John 3 16 related to Christmas? I could MAYBE see Easter.

It was proselytizing, plain and simple. Teacher was in the right.


Following 6th grade logic, having been in the girls shoes, I do get it. The star is their tradition, mommy said the star was about jesus....and you can follow the logic through to 3:16.

Apparently the girl was following the assignment, and if the teacher says nothing, we hear nothing of this.
 
2014-01-15 01:47:28 AM  

murderguy: Hm.  The representatives of the government (local, state, federal), which includes teachers and school administrators, cannot mandate that people be subjected to prayer or proselytizing.  At the same time, government officials cannot prevent people from observing their religion, so long as it doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

This is kind of a strange case.  On the one hand, it doesn't seem wrong to allow the little girl to explain what her family does to observe Christmas, but on the other, if the little girl goes into some kind of speech that causes the other students to be involuntarily subjected to proselytizing, what then?

I'm an antitheist, but want religion to disappear through education and self-reflection, not through any government mandate.  I am not at all sure how this sort of issue should be managed.  Normally, I'm annoyed that people don't understand the simple idea that government officials are not allowed to favor any religion or lack thereof, but that individuals may pray or otherwise observe their religion without prejudice, as long as it doesn't affect others.  This, however, does seem to be a fringe case where the principle itself isn't clear.

The preceding assumes that the article accurately describes what happened.


With you - the teacher could face a lawsuit either way she responded, you can't be sure.

Maybe her moral code would have then required her to present the religions of any other children present?  All religions?  What if a Muslim kid ran home crying and a school got bombed?

You can't be sure.
 
2014-01-15 01:48:23 AM  

Gothnet: untaken_name: Gothnet: I said they were superheroes from another planet.

Good thing you're not teaching her to believe bullshiat impossible stories.

Umm, that wasn't my comment originally.

OTOH I fully support that, it's a good explanation, and puts them in the same light as (for example) spiderman and the hulk. i.e. fiction. Or would you never give a child fiction?


No, I wouldn't ever teach my child something that I believed to be false. Fiction is just another word for lying. If my child wants people to lie to him, he can wait until he's 18 and buy his own false words. He won't get any from me. On a side note, though, I met the Hulk. He's real. You really shouldn't put him in the same category with spider-man and shiva. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
 
2014-01-15 01:50:35 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Eh, the teacher is actually correct.  The school can't legally give a soapbox to someone that's proselytizing.  I imagine that they don't even have this assignment at higher grade levels for that reason, and only have it at the first-grade level because they didn't imagine that a kid that young could already be so brainwashed they'd memorize a goddamned sermon to spout off when asked how their vacation went.

// On a side note, that's the kind of conversational sabotage crap that will sometimes get your ass kicked as an  adult.  Whether you start reciting the bible or fact sheets about the Pokemon games whenever anyone asks you about anything ever, at the best eventually you're just going to train people never to talk to you ever.


Prosthelytizing is actively attempting to convert someone to your religion, political belief, or opinion. What was described in the article was not an attempt to convert anyone to a religion. Not by a long shot.
 
2014-01-15 02:26:54 AM  

BSABSVR: Todd Starnes? I'm going to go ahead and assume that there are some significant facts missing from this version of the story.


Had to look him up. Apparently he's the guy who said last year's Miss America didn't "represent American values," because she's of Indian descent. The guy sounds like a professional troll.
 
2014-01-15 02:36:12 AM  

nickdaisy: Who's with me?


This is only the second thread I've seen you in, and I'm already tired of your schtick.
 
2014-01-15 04:56:07 AM  

iq_in_binary: And how was John 3 16 related to Christmas? I could MAYBE see Easter.

It was proselytizing, plain and simple. Teacher was in the right.


Do you know what proselytizing means???

Even at Church on Sunday during a 90 minute service the proselytizing bit lasts for like 3 minutes at the very end of the service.

...Talking about the Bible is not proselytizing
...Quoting the Bible is not proselytizing
...Asking people to convert to another faith IS proselytizing.

Unless this child asked for students to convert their faith, it is NOT proselytizing.
 
2014-01-15 05:17:01 AM  

nickdaisy: Now be fair Farkers-- don't start blaming Fox News and everyone else who doesn't have multiple piercings and a job that pays by the hour. Fair is fair. This kid can espouse whatever beliefs his little mind can formulate (or more likely regurgitate) as long as he's not interfering with the running of the school. He's not a state institution and the school's not sanctioning his speech.

It's the same darn rule you get to use when they drag out that tired "dude wearing dress gets elected homecoming queen" story each year.  He's expressing his personal opinion. And just like the school can't stop someone from prancing around dressed like a freak, they can't stop someone from yapping about their favorite fairy tale.

Who's with me?


Me.  I'm with you.
 
2014-01-15 05:20:26 AM  
Could be that the kid is being used by the parents for some good old-fashioned attention-whoring.

Think about it...kid brings home the homework assignment, parents know that religious stuff is a hot-button in public schools, they *could* have the kid just say "We put a star up on the top of the tree...", but where's the fun in that?  *much better* <rolling eyes> to have the kid then lead into Bible verses and beyond, knowing that the teacher will freak out because the envelope is pushed, thereby allowing the parents to call up the local news outlets and cry 'foul', getting this...their fifteen minutes of fame...especially on Faux News, etc.,

Meanwhile, the kid has no clue as to what's going on.
 
2014-01-15 05:22:07 AM  

iq_in_binary: When the people whose uvulas they've been rather ceremoniously rogering with Jesus' cock bite down a little bit for want of air, they don't then get to claim religious persecution. Religion is fine to practice in the privacy of your own home. The rest of us don't have to put up with it in public, especially where our children are concerned.


Wrong...You DO have to put up with people talking about God in public, just like people of faith have to put up with atheist / agnostics who voice their opinions that God doesn't exist.

That is what freedom of speech is all about...we can't stop you from talking about your complete and total ignorance/stupidity about religion, any more that you can stop us from telling people about the wisdom that comes from faith.
 
2014-01-15 05:31:17 AM  

give me doughnuts: FunkOut: Yesterday my 5 year old saw a picture of Shiva and asked who it was. I said he was a Hindu god. She asked me what a god was. I said they were superheroes from another planet. She seemed convinced since he was blue with many arms.

Approves:


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I became curious about this when I heard it was the basis of the fake sci-fi movie in "Argo."  Is it any good?
 
2014-01-15 06:36:24 AM  

Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: When the people whose uvulas they've been rather ceremoniously rogering with Jesus' cock bite down a little bit for want of air, they don't then get to claim religious persecution. Religion is fine to practice in the privacy of your own home. The rest of us don't have to put up with it in public, especially where our children are concerned.

Wrong...You DO have to put up with people talking about God in public, just like people of faith have to put up with atheist / agnostics who voice their opinions that God doesn't exist.

That is what freedom of speech is all about...we can't stop you from talking about your complete and total ignorance/stupidity about religion, any more that you can stop us from telling people about the wisdom that comes from faith.


I have no ignorance about religion.

You failed to copy/paste the rest of my post.

You're a troll. I don't have an interest in listening to the rest of your ignorance.

If you were honest you would have addressed it.

You're a troll on the same level as TPOC and SkinnyHead. FOAD.
 
2014-01-15 06:40:47 AM  

Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: And how was John 3 16 related to Christmas? I could MAYBE see Easter.

It was proselytizing, plain and simple. Teacher was in the right.

Do you know what proselytizing means???

Even at Church on Sunday during a 90 minute service the proselytizing bit lasts for like 3 minutes at the very end of the service.

...Talking about the Bible is not proselytizing
...Quoting the Bible is not proselytizing
...Asking people to convert to another faith IS proselytizing.

Unless this child asked for students to convert their faith, it is NOT proselytizing.


Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.
 
2014-01-15 06:44:20 AM  

iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: When the people whose uvulas they've been rather ceremoniously rogering with Jesus' cock bite down a little bit for want of air, they don't then get to claim religious persecution. Religion is fine to practice in the privacy of your own home. The rest of us don't have to put up with it in public, especially where our children are concerned.

Wrong...You DO have to put up with people talking about God in public, just like people of faith have to put up with atheist / agnostics who voice their opinions that God doesn't exist.

That is what freedom of speech is all about...we can't stop you from talking about your complete and total ignorance/stupidity about religion, any more that you can stop us from telling people about the wisdom that comes from faith.

I have no ignorance about religion.

You failed to copy/paste the rest of my post.

You're a troll. I don't have an interest in listening to the rest of your ignorance.

If you were honest you would have addressed it.

You're a troll on the same level as TPOC and SkinnyHead. FOAD.


You right I am a troll, and the only troll in the tread. Comments like...

When the people whose uvulas they've been rather ceremoniously rogering with Jesus' cock bite down a little bit for want of air, they don't then get to claim religious persecution

...are not troll like in the SLIGHTEST.

Now go back to your mom's basement and let the grown ups talk in peace.
 
2014-01-15 06:47:09 AM  

Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: Divinegrace: iq_in_binary: When the people whose uvulas they've been rather ceremoniously rogering with Jesus' cock bite down a little bit for want of air, they don't then get to claim religious persecution. Religion is fine to practice in the privacy of your own home. The rest of us don't have to put up with it in public, especially where our children are concerned.

Wrong...You DO have to put up with people talking about God in public, just like people of faith have to put up with atheist / agnostics who voice their opinions that God doesn't exist.

That is what freedom of speech is all about...we can't stop you from talking about your complete and total ignorance/stupidity about religion, any more that you can stop us from telling people about the wisdom that comes from faith.

I have no ignorance about religion.

You failed to copy/paste the rest of my post.

You're a troll. I don't have an interest in listening to the rest of your ignorance.

If you were honest you would have addressed it.

You're a troll on the same level as TPOC and SkinnyHead. FOAD.

You right I am a troll, and the only troll in the tread. Comments like...

When the people whose uvulas they've been rather ceremoniously rogering with Jesus' cock bite down a little bit for want of air, they don't then get to claim religious persecution

...are not troll like in the SLIGHTEST.

Now go back to your mom's basement and let the grown ups talk in peace.


Oh, so what I've posted isn't factual.

Do tell, prove me wrong.

I'll have a field day with you.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 06:48:54 AM  

iq_in_binary: No. Sorry. I'm not intolerant, I'm sick and farking tired of having this stupid shiat thrust into the public discussion and for all the sins of the religious right in this country to be tossed out of memory. It's not just atheists that are affected, it's every non Christian in this country that has to put up with the hazing and repetitive belittling.

Lest you forget, it is an issue that they keep pressing.

First these mental midgets started by lobbying a born again Presbyterian President and congress to introduce religious screed to our National Motto and Pledge of Allegiance in the 50s. Not happy with how ingrained secularism was in our society at the time, they then proceeded over the next decades to scrawl their paraphernalia on our courthouses, schools and public institutions all across the country. They've forced themselves into every aspect of our life from our children's education, our employment, and our legislative processes. They were extremely active in the 80's and 90's, blowing up anything and everything they could from the Olympics to the OKC building.

We're talking about the same kinds of people who when called on the failures of Abstinence Only education had the farking gall to say it failed because it wasn't religious enough. The same dipshiats who have passed laws making it implicitly legal to bully children into suicide in the name of their deity.

When the people whose uvulas they've been rather ceremoniously rogering with Jesus' cock bite down a little bit for want of air, they don't then get to claim religious persecution. Religion is fine to practice in the privacy of your own home. The rest of us don't have to put up with it in public, especially where our children are concerned.


Do you hear yourself? You aren't intolerant, you say, yet you rail on and on.

The 50's are done, move on, those days are passed. Let it go. A lot of what you are pissed at is getting slowly fixed.

"They were extremely active in the 80's and 90's, blowing up anything and everything they could from the Olympics to the OKC building."
Have you lost your farking mind? You DO realize no good christian would consider murder acceptable? Now you sound screwy.

BTW, 'abstinence only' is a catholic thing. Not all christians buy that. I was catholic, now recovering. Never bought that crap.
Like the pope, nice guy. Still don't accept his authority over anything or anyone who willingly follows. I have bosses, he's not one of them.
Lot's of catholics left the church. Things ARE changing.

"The same dipshiats who have passed laws making it implicitly legal to bully children into suicide in the name of their deity."
[Citation is a must here] Nonsense, again. List them or stop getting so red-faced angry.
 
2014-01-15 06:51:53 AM  

iq_in_binary: Jesus himself said that prayer in public IS proselytizing.

Go ahead, ask for the bible quotes. I dare you.


and the girl in the article was trying to lead the class in prayer...oh wait, no she wasn't.

Also, It is NEVER wrong to pray to God for the sake of praying to God (in public, in private, during the day, at night, etc)....what IS WRONG is when you pray to God for the sake of 'showing off' to other people.
 
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