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2014-01-14 10:21:47 PM  
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2014-01-14 10:22:50 PM  

odinsposse: On the one hand, it is totally plausible that there's a school out there that doesn't understand the separation of church and state and thinks that it means that students can't even discuss religion on their own. After all, many on the right also mistakenly think that the bn on school lead prayer means students can't pray at all.

On the other hand, the story comes entirely from some parents who decided to employ The Advocates for Faith and Freedom when they ran into trouble and the only quote from the school is basically "no comment." Which is a WND level of reporting all sides of a story. And it end with "What would you do if this was your child!?!?!?!"

I'm going to go ahead and bet there's more to this story.


There is but most people forget that you have very few rights to free speech as a minor, especially in school.   The parents are obviously unbalanced zealots and that is unhealthy for the child.   Children are impressionable and develop magical thinking too easily.  This results in religious beliefs based on an unstable foundation of magical thinking and increases the disconnect between reality and religion.   A mature adult who decides to start following a religion has the ability to integrate science with religion and see the weakness of most of the BS.

This child will either become an adult magical thinking zealot or lose all faith and have a negative view of religion.  The parents have made a huge error.
 
2014-01-14 10:23:18 PM  

what_now: Oh god, this went main page.

Well, I'm out of here before people start smearing feces on each other and screaming about chemtrails.

Nighty night.


I do not smear my feces, but I do leave a chemtrail when I take a schitt.
 
2014-01-14 10:23:40 PM  

FunkOut: Yesterday my 5 year old saw a picture of Shiva and asked who it was. I said he was a Hindu god. She asked me what a god was. I said they were superheroes from another planet. She seemed convinced since he was blue with many arms.


Shame on  you for misinfroming your child. Shiva is a scantily clad ice goddess (or demi-goddess) that you summon in most of the games in the Final Fantasy franchise (except in VIII, where doing so causes you to die of old age waiting for the interminable unskippable summons animations to complete.)
 
2014-01-14 10:24:40 PM  
"Yo Teach, I'm hardcore into the church of the SubGenius. So you're gonna have to cut me some slack on that homework. Or are you infringing on my religious beliefs?"
 
2014-01-14 10:24:44 PM  

whatshisname: murderguy: if the little girl goes into some kind of speech that causes the other students to be involuntarily subjected to proselytizing, what then?

Is describing how you celebrate Christmas proselytizing?


Not in my opinion, but quoting John 3:16 could be a lead in to proselytizing.  I don't know what her whole speech was, but I do think that it starts to get into a tricky area when you are implicitly forcing the other students to listen to one student's religious beliefs.  As I said, I think this is a fringe case, and I'm not sure how to make hard and fast rules that would permit the appropriate and prevent the inappropriate.
 
2014-01-14 10:25:59 PM  
If I were that student's parent, I'd have an ACLU lawyer so far up that school districts ass they wouldn't know what farked 'em.

And I'm an atheist.

That's just WRONG!
 
2014-01-14 10:26:26 PM  

Tarkus: These same people would have a fit if a Muslim child started talking about the Koran.


My younger son was like this child when he was still attending a charter school.  He never really told us about what he talked about, but his teacher told us.  There were no issues to worry about.

That being said, if there were any children with different beliefs given the same time to say what they wished, I'll be okay with it.  It does bother me when folks like to shush others by any means necessary, but screaming over them is the most annoying.
 
2014-01-14 10:28:10 PM  

Willie L: Christmas is a Christian holiday.  Why did she give such an assignment if she didn't want to hear about it?  Stupid teacher.


Because that didn't happen

/holiday traditions, maybe
//winter break, better chance, it's farking January!
 
2014-01-14 10:30:32 PM  

what_now: Oh god, this went main page.

Well, I'm out of here before people start smearing feces on each other and screaming about chemtrails.

Nighty night.


What's the matter, what_now? Chicken?!
 
2014-01-14 10:31:08 PM  
I could recite several verses from the bible at 6, so that is a pretty invalid statement

/I got better
 
2014-01-14 10:33:17 PM  

rev. dave: Children should not be so well versed.
Parents should lay off the heavy duty religion until the kids are teenagers or later.
The teacher stopped one of the most annoying practices of our time.
At the very least the kid is being taught the boundaries of polite society.


You're so very wrong. The best time to brainwash a person is when they're young and impressionable.

/recovering catholic
 
2014-01-14 10:34:05 PM  
Definitely thermite
 
2014-01-14 10:35:03 PM  

Hickory-smoked: AutumnWind: I don't see why a family needs a law firm to represent them over this though.

They've been waiting years for this, or something they could pretend was this. It's like winning the Persecution Complex Lottery.



I wonder whether they first talked to the "law firm" before or after the alleged shushing.


odinsposse: On the one hand, it is totally plausible that there's a school out there that doesn't understand the separation of church and state and thinks that it means that students can't even discuss religion on their own. After all, many on the right also mistakenly think that the bn on school lead prayer means students can't pray at all.


But is it plausible that such a school also requires 1st graders to participate in an exchange of family Christmas presentations? "Hey, everybody - Moshe, are you listening? - okay, next week you need to tell us how your families celebrate Christmas. What's that, Abu? Well...I don't know. Figure it out. The atheist kid last year managed. By the way, you're all going to need to sit here and listen while your classmates talk about Christmas for a week. Oh and Timmay, make sure not to bring the Bible into this again. That has nothing to do with Christmas." I mean what in the fark.
 
2014-01-14 10:35:25 PM  

what_now: A six year old that can recite Bible verses
A law firm called Advocates for Faith and Freedom Fox News Yeah, I'm sure this is an accurate representation of what happened


Here is what the local rag had to say:

http://temecula.patch.com/groups/schools/p/attorney-temecula-teacher -s tops-1stgrader-from-talking-about-jesus-in-school

The Fox version seems pretty darn close. Don't see a whole lot of spin going on here.
The Law firm is not surprising, it is WHAT THEY EXIST TO DO. If this was you would you take the situation to "Barry's Law and Deli", or "Advocates for Faith and Freedom" (Especially given the latter isn't going to charge you). Seems pretty obvious to me.
It isn't that long of a verse and nor that hard to memorize. Nor do we have any evidence she didn't have that part written down. Did she probably get help from her parents? I am sure she did. But I see no reason to believe that it was a vast conspiracy. It was almost definitely just christian parents helping their kid do what she wanted to do, and a teacher being a complete dick about it and violating her human rights. (Human rights because the whole point of our Constitution is to protect the rights that we already have as humans).

\Glad I don't know you IRL.
\\I prefer people that are not prejudiced.
 
2014-01-14 10:35:28 PM  
fark Temecula.
 
2014-01-14 10:37:36 PM  
I would imagine some christian fundie parents and church told the child that their friends and fellow students were going to hell because they did not believe in the particular white Jesus that their church worships, so the poor kid felt like they should convert everyone.
 
2014-01-14 10:38:27 PM  

MooseUpNorth: FunkOut: Yesterday my 5 year old saw a picture of Shiva and asked who it was. I said he was a Hindu god. She asked me what a god was. I said they were superheroes from another planet. She seemed convinced since he was blue with many arms.

Shame on  you for misinfroming your child. Shiva is a scantily clad ice goddess (or demi-goddess) that you summon in most of the games in the Final Fantasy franchise (except in VIII, where doing so causes you to die of old age waiting for the interminable unskippable summons animations to complete.)


The reason for the VIII summons being unskippable was that you could hold the select button down and then repeatedly tap the square button to boost their damage during the animation
 
2014-01-14 10:40:15 PM  

Mock26: what_now: Oh god, this went main page.

Well, I'm out of here before people start smearing feces on each other and screaming about chemtrails.

Nighty night.

I do not smear my feces, but I do leave a chemtrail when I take a schitt.


You can take mine; I just left one.
 
2014-01-14 10:41:25 PM  

Tarkus: These same people would have a fit if a Muslim child started talking about the Koran.


This!
 
2014-01-14 10:42:27 PM  
The teacher and the principal were in the closet making bibles and I saw one of the bibles and the bible looked at me
 
2014-01-14 10:43:04 PM  
I'm a bit confused here. I'll give you, its easy to do but still, can someone explain this:

"Brynn's teacher said, 'Stop right there! Go take your seat,'" Tyler said. "Bryn was not allowed to finish her presentation by reciting the Bible verse, John 3:16."

What's her name? Is it Brynn or Bryn? This is the issue people.
 
2014-01-14 10:43:45 PM  
♪ Now Teacher don't ya fill me up with your rules... 'cause everybody knows that Bibles ain't allowed in school... ♪

/got nuthin'
 
2014-01-14 10:45:05 PM  
poot_rootbeer: The teacher and the principal were in the closet making bibles and I saw one of the bibles and the bible looked at me

the bible LOOKED at you?!
 
2014-01-14 10:46:43 PM  

arentol: what_now: A six year old that can recite Bible verses
A law firm called Advocates for Faith and Freedom Fox News Yeah, I'm sure this is an accurate representation of what happened

Here is what the local rag had to say:

http://temecula.patch.com/groups/schools/p/attorney-temecula-teacher -s tops-1stgrader-from-talking-about-jesus-in-school

The Fox version seems pretty darn close. Don't see a whole lot of spin going on here.
The Law firm is not surprising, it is WHAT THEY EXIST TO DO. If this was you would you take the situation to "Barry's Law and Deli", or "Advocates for Faith and Freedom" (Especially given the latter isn't going to charge you). Seems pretty obvious to me.
It isn't that long of a verse and nor that hard to memorize. Nor do we have any evidence she didn't have that part written down. Did she probably get help from her parents? I am sure she did. But I see no reason to believe that it was a vast conspiracy. It was almost definitely just christian parents helping their kid do what she wanted to do, and a teacher being a complete dick about it and violating her human rights. (Human rights because the whole point of our Constitution is to protect the rights that we already have as humans).

\Glad I don't know you IRL.
\\I prefer people that are not prejudiced.



A 6-y.o reciting verses is the most believable bit. I've known plenty of people whose little kids can recite Bible verses. They don't even have to teach it themselves, just drop the kids at church camp/daycare. Good for cheap bragging rights at church, etc. And 3:16 is going to be at the top of the list.
 
2014-01-14 10:47:57 PM  

FunkOut: Yesterday my 5 year old saw a picture of Shiva and asked who it was. I said he was a Hindu god. She asked me what a god was. I said they were superheroes from another planet. She seemed convinced since he was blue with many arms.


Approves:
litreactor.com
 
2014-01-14 10:48:57 PM  
dletter [TotalFark]


Was there other Jewish, Muslim, etc kids that were allowed to talk for a minute about their religion in class?

If so, then, there is a point to me made here..... either she should have gotten "equal time", or those kids shouldn't have been able to ramble on either.
Bigot, illiterate, or both?

FTFA (written at 4th-6th grade reading level )
the teacher instructed boys and girls to find something at home that represented a family Christmas tradition. They were supposed to bring the item to school and share the item in a classroom presentation.

Yes every crotch-fruit was able to give their own presentation.

/// fark supported CA forcing children to take islamic names and partake in Jihad games. The bigotry around here is amusing.
 
2014-01-14 10:49:08 PM  

what_now: A six year old that can recite Bible verses
A law firm called Advocates for Faith and Freedom Fox News Yeah, I'm sure this is an accurate representation of what happened


Yeah.  Plus: A Todd Starnes column.

Please.  Please.  Stop greenlighting f*cking Starnes columns.  When did Fark start hosting professional trolls?  Didn't QA just get the banhammer for raving?  So it's bad to go loony in the comments, but ok to post loony columnists?
 
2014-01-14 10:51:08 PM  
Someone forgot the first law of "Bible Study Club"
 
2014-01-14 10:52:33 PM  
That's what he gets for breaking the first rule of The Bible Club.  And the second rule.

/I'm sure someone else has beat me to it.
 
2014-01-14 10:52:37 PM  
Something doesn't quite make sense:

The article says that the assignment was to bring in something representing a family Christmas tradition and to give a presentation on that thing.  It makes no sense to ask students to explain an aspect of their observance of a religious holiday and then object when they start treading into religious territory.

Now, on the other hand, if Fox News is fudging the story as to what the presentation was supposed to be about it could make more sense.  If I assigned a class a presentation on "what I did during my winter vacation" and my student starts his presentation with, "during my winter vacation, I learned the truth of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, which I will relate to you as follows . . ."  then maybe I'd ask that student to hold up.

So the question is: can the school be that comically clueless about what it's assigning its kids, or is Fox News just chumming the waters with biased reporting?
 
2014-01-14 10:53:44 PM  

OnlyM3: dletter [TotalFark]


Was there other Jewish, Muslim, etc kids that were allowed to talk for a minute about their religion in class?

If so, then, there is a point to me made here..... either she should have gotten "equal time", or those kids shouldn't have been able to ramble on either. Bigot, illiterate, or both?

FTFA (written at 4th-6th grade reading level )
the teacher instructed boys and girls to find something at home that represented a family Christmas tradition. They were supposed to bring the item to school and share the item in a classroom presentation.
Yes every crotch-fruit was able to give their own presentation.

/// fark supported CA forcing children to take islamic names and partake in Jihad games. The bigotry around here is amusing.


Proselytizing isn't an acceptable school activity. Period.

Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue.
 
2014-01-14 10:53:48 PM  
brimed03: Didn't QA just get the banhammer for raving?

how? why?
 
2014-01-14 10:55:37 PM  

theflatline: I would imagine some christian fundie parents and church told the child that their friends and fellow students were going to hell because they did not believe in the particular white Jesus that their church worships, so the poor kid felt like they should convert everyone.


Not always.  Kids like to connect different aspects of their lives with other aspects.  They like having friends from school visit their home to show them their stuff.  Why do you think show and tell is so big for kids?  They like to connect classmates with who they are at home, it isn't till they are teens before kids start putting more separation between home and school.  To kids, separation of Church and State means nothing, they think my friends at school will also like the things I like and I want to share with them.  At that young age, it is the things they like that define them, and they like to get them all together in one place.  My son wasn't told to share his religious beliefs or any suggestion was made to convert anyone.  He just liked to share what he liked and found interesting.  If the adults stayed out of it, the kids would share and give other kids equal time.  Well, the non-bully kids would anyways.
 
2014-01-14 10:56:02 PM  

SearchN: I'm a bit confused here. I'll give you, its easy to do but still, can someone explain this:

"Brynn's teacher said, 'Stop right there!


I gotta know right now
Before you go any further
Are you Christian
Will you quote from the Bible
Will you proselytise for the rest of your talk
Will you say religious stuff that'll make us balk
I gotta know right now
Are you Christian
Will you quote from the Bible

Teacher, teacher, let me do my talk
Let me do my talk and you'll have your answer when I'm finished
 
2014-01-14 10:58:08 PM  

Nuuu: So the question is: can the school be that comically clueless about what it's assigning its kids, or is Fox News just chumming the waters with biased reporting?


Hard to say, could be 50/50 really.  We may never really know.
 
2014-01-14 10:58:19 PM  
Has anyone involved in this story ever even spoken to a six year old? This is the biggest steaming pile of bullshiat I've ever heard.
 
2014-01-14 10:58:53 PM  

iq_in_binary: Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue


It shouldnt be an issue either way. If that was the assignment, then she should have been allowed to talk as when wanted.

I think it is being blown out of proportion, but I also think that the teacher overreacted.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-14 10:59:47 PM  

biyaaatci: Has anyone involved in this story ever even spoken to a six year old? This is the biggest steaming pile of bullshiat I've ever heard.


Sorry, that prize was claimed long ago by my ex.
 
2014-01-14 11:00:23 PM  
How in the blue blazes can you talk about Christmas without bringing up the Bible? Christ Mass - yeah, nothing Bible-related about that...
 
2014-01-14 11:02:01 PM  
Sounds to me like her assignment was to talk about her show and tell item.  If her item had been a bible, I'd say quotes from it were fair game.  Nope, she brought a star.  John 3:16 has nothing to do with stars.  It's really more of an Easter thing.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-14 11:06:22 PM  

iq_in_binary: OnlyM3: dletter [TotalFark]

Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue.


Are those of the hebrew faith also brainwashed? Muslims as well. Hindu too?

It is really offensive that so many here are so self-righteous and smug in that they feel ANYTHING except atheism is a mental flaw worthy of derision, scorn, hate, vitriol and mocking.
The bigoted bias is getting old, and tiresome. And......
thedailyshow.mtvnimages.com
 
2014-01-14 11:06:26 PM  

untaken_name: How in the blue blazes can you talk about Christmas without bringing up the Bible? Christ Mass - yeah, nothing Bible-related about that...


i162.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-14 11:07:11 PM  

Piizzadude: iq_in_binary: Maybe if little Ms. Brainwashed was reading from Genesis instead this wouldn't have been an issue

It shouldnt be an issue either way. If that was the assignment, then she should have been allowed to talk as when wanted.

I think it is being blown out of proportion, but I also think that the teacher overreacted.


And how was John 3 16 related to Christmas? I could MAYBE see Easter.

It was proselytizing, plain and simple. Teacher was in the right.
 
2014-01-14 11:08:16 PM  
Oh yay, Todd Starnes again. Rest assured if he's writing about it then it's pretty much guaranteed to be weapons grade bullshiat. It always is with that guy.
 
2014-01-14 11:09:46 PM  

TwowheelinTim: If I were that student's parent, I'd have an ACLU lawyer so far up that school districts ass they wouldn't know what farked 'em.

And I'm an atheist.

That's just WRONG!


Same. I'm An atheist as well, and know this wrong. It reminds me of a picture my religious zealot friend posted the other day about how bibles weren't allowed in schools anymore, but were in prisons. I called her out on that and pointed out that It's in the constitution that you can have a bible in school. You just can't FORCE kids to follow your religion, which is what I assumed she really meant.
 
2014-01-14 11:10:03 PM  

FunkOut: Yesterday my 5 year old saw a picture of Shiva and asked who it was. I said he was a Hindu god. She asked me what a god was. I said they were superheroes from another planet. She seemed convinced since he was blue with many arms.


Give her a copy of "Lord of Light" by Roger Zelazny in a couple of years, it's basically about that. Well, it's set on another planet and the gods are the folks with high-tech toys. They ain't exactly nice though, and there's a bit of christian overtone towards then end, so maybe best to hold off until her understanding of the world is a little more nuanced.
 
2014-01-14 11:10:56 PM  

jake_lex: This. I'm absolutely certain the kid was not coached to disrupt class by reciting Bible verses so that when she was told to sit down and shut up, they could run to Fox News screaming "CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION!!!1!!1!!"


I share your certainty.   And your sarcasm.
 
2014-01-14 11:11:41 PM  

serial_crusher: Sounds to me like her assignment was to talk about her show and tell item.  If her item had been a bible, I'd say quotes from it were fair game.  Nope, she brought a star.  John 3:16 has nothing to do with stars.  It's really more of an Easter thing.


I thought 3:16 was more about rainbow colored wigs.
 
2014-01-14 11:12:50 PM  
I've never read an article from this author regarding an event that actually happened.
 
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