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2014-01-14 08:36:27 PM  
The tower of Bibleon begins... HERE.
 
2014-01-14 08:43:36 PM  
So here's the way I see it. The school district either:
Made a gross mistake;
Is ignorant of the Constitution;
Is infested with radical secularists who like to bully Christian children:
All of the above.



Or: it's all a bunch of bullshait and never happened.
 
2014-01-14 08:45:31 PM  
A six year old that can recite Bible verses
A law firm called Advocates for Faith and Freedom Fox News Yeah, I'm sure this is an accurate representation of what happened
 
2014-01-14 08:48:07 PM  
These same people would have a fit if a Muslim child started talking about the Koran.
 
2014-01-14 08:50:56 PM  

what_now: A six year old that can recite Bible verses
A law firm called Advocates for Faith and Freedom Fox News Yeah, I'm sure this is an accurate representation of what happened


This.  I'm absolutely certain the kid was not coached to disrupt class by reciting Bible verses so that when she was told to sit down and shut up, they could run to Fox News screaming "CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION!!!1!!1!!"
 
2014-01-14 08:51:23 PM  
My shady sense is tingling...
 
2014-01-14 08:53:13 PM  

Tarkus: These same people would have a fit if a Muslim child started talking about the Koran.


Probably try to get the child put in protective custody.
 
2014-01-14 08:54:49 PM  
Now be fair Farkers-- don't start blaming Fox News and everyone else who doesn't have multiple piercings and a job that pays by the hour. Fair is fair. This kid can espouse whatever beliefs his little mind can formulate (or more likely regurgitate) as long as he's not interfering with the running of the school. He's not a state institution and the school's not sanctioning his speech.

It's the same darn rule you get to use when they drag out that tired "dude wearing dress gets elected homecoming queen" story each year.  He's expressing his personal opinion. And just like the school can't stop someone from prancing around dressed like a freak, they can't stop someone from yapping about their favorite fairy tale.

Who's with me?
 
2014-01-14 08:56:49 PM  
Was there other Jewish, Muslim, etc kids that were allowed to talk for a minute about their religion in class?

If so, then, there is a point to me made here..... either she should have gotten "equal time", or those kids shouldn't have been able to ramble on either.

Otherwise, shuddup.
 
2014-01-14 08:57:42 PM  
This is Obama's Bibleghazi.
 
2014-01-14 09:00:43 PM  
I'm about as athy as you can get, and still I say that, assuming this happened as presented, both the teacher and the principal involved in this situation are idiots.
 
2014-01-14 09:01:20 PM  
when you name a school after her, that's what you get.

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2014-01-14 09:07:45 PM  

what_now: A six year old that can recite Bible verses
A law firm called Advocates for Faith and Freedom Fox News Yeah, I'm sure this is an accurate representation of what happened


Fox News: Bearing false witness since 1996.
 
2014-01-14 09:10:40 PM  

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2014-01-14 09:14:37 PM  

what_now: A six year old that can recite Bible verses
A law firm called Advocates for Faith and Freedom Fox News Yeah, I'm sure this is an accurate representation of what happened


Agreed.

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2014-01-14 09:20:03 PM  
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion

Stopped reading before I even started.


nickdaisy: Who's with me?


Stop asking that. No one is ever going to be with you.
 
2014-01-14 09:20:24 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Tarkus: These same people would have a fit if a Muslim child started talking about the Koran.

Probably try to get the child put in protective custody

Gitmo.
 
2014-01-14 09:24:17 PM  

nickdaisy: Now be fair Farkers--


They're so cute when they're freshly hatched.
 
2014-01-14 09:24:20 PM  
this reminds me of the time when Fox news went on this big rant about the evils of recognizing pagan holidays as valid religious holidays....
 
2014-01-14 09:26:09 PM  
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Nobody cares, Sean ...

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2014-01-14 09:27:28 PM  

mamoru: I'm about as athy as you can get, and still I say that, assuming this happened as presented, both the teacher and the principal involved in this situation are idiots.


lets just say that fox news does not have the most trustworthy reputation when it comes to stories such as this one....
 
2014-01-14 09:35:34 PM  

nickdaisy: Now be fair Farkers-- don't start blaming Fox News and everyone else who doesn't have multiple piercings and a job that pays by the hour. Fair is fair. This kid can espouse whatever beliefs his little mind can formulate (or more likely regurgitate) as long as he's not interfering with the running of the school. He's not a state institution and the school's not sanctioning his speech.

It's the same darn rule you get to use when they drag out that tired "dude wearing dress gets elected homecoming queen" story each year.  He's expressing his personal opinion. And just like the school can't stop someone from prancing around dressed like a freak, they can't stop someone from yapping about their favorite fairy tale.

Who's with me?



Sure, if he isn't being disruptive or harassing, he has every right to talk about the Bible, and to include it appropriately in such a presentation should've been fine. If the school told him differently, they farked up.

BUT a school that is that farking paranoid about tripping over the establishment clause (or alternatively, has it out for Christians) requiring first-graders do a presentation on their family's Christmas traditions?!? These two things do not jibe. AT ALL. So this smells like a big helping of total bullshiat.
 
2014-01-14 09:37:43 PM  

Weaver95: mamoru: I'm about as athy as you can get, and still I say that, assuming this happened as presented, both the teacher and the principal involved in this situation are idiots.

lets just say that fox news does not have the most trustworthy reputation when it comes to stories such as this one....


Oh no doubt. On the other hand, school principals are often not the most intelligent folks on the planet, nor are elementary school teachers (despite my immense respect for them for dealing with little hellions).

Either way, there seems to be a lot of stupidity involved in this story. ;)
 
2014-01-14 09:37:57 PM  
"Bryn was not allowed to finish her presentation by reciting the Bible verse, John 3:16."

well, yeah because BAH GAWD, KING, HERE COMES STONE COLD
 
2014-01-14 09:44:43 PM  
So, they've decided to read books rather than burning them? How quaint.
 
2014-01-14 09:45:36 PM  

mamoru: Weaver95: mamoru: I'm about as athy as you can get, and still I say that, assuming this happened as presented, both the teacher and the principal involved in this situation are idiots.

lets just say that fox news does not have the most trustworthy reputation when it comes to stories such as this one....

Oh no doubt. On the other hand, school principals are often not the most intelligent folks on the planet, nor are elementary school teachers (despite my immense respect for them for dealing with little hellions).

Either way, there seems to be a lot of stupidity involved in this story. ;)


I was about to say - porque no los dos?  Me thinks there is plenty of high-grade stupid to go around here.
 
2014-01-14 10:01:20 PM  

nickdaisy: Now be fair Farkers-- don't start blaming Fox News and everyone else who doesn't have multiple piercings and a job that pays by the hour. Fair is fair. This kid can espouse whatever beliefs his little mind can formulate (or more likely regurgitate) as long as he's not interfering with the running of the school. He's not a state institution and the school's not sanctioning his speech.

It's the same darn rule you get to use when they drag out that tired "dude wearing dress gets elected homecoming queen" story each year.  He's expressing his personal opinion. And just like the school can't stop someone from prancing around dressed like a freak, they can't stop someone from yapping about their favorite fairy tale.

Who's with me?


Trolly phrasing aside, I'm with you.

Wear a garbage bag and read the Upanishad or whatever. Long as it ain't official school policy, I don't care.
 
2014-01-14 10:02:31 PM  

dletter: Was there other Jewish, Muslim, etc kids that were allowed to talk for a minute about their religion in class?

If so, then, there is a point to me made here..... either she should have gotten "equal time", or those kids shouldn't have been able to ramble on either.

Otherwise, shuddup.


I don't think it's an irrational assumption that if they're talking about Christmas traditions that they're going to talk about other traditions, too.
 
2014-01-14 10:04:17 PM  
So, how long did her parents coach her on the proper actions so that they could get the desired response?
 
2014-01-14 10:04:54 PM  
Which bible? The one that was originally translated from Greek; or the one with some oopsie daisies made by good ol' St. Jerome?

/ this is really important for fans of Indiana Jones; St. Jerome kind of made up the term Jehovah
 
2014-01-14 10:05:02 PM  
Subject:
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Reporter:
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Maybe reporter said, "if had a daughter, she might look like Brynn -- well maybe a little derpier but you know close enough for government work."

I, for one, am glad that the teacher was on the job and alert to this pernicious assault of the good book on this class of unsuspecting kids.
 
2014-01-14 10:06:20 PM  
Christmas is a Christian holiday.  Why did she give such an assignment if she didn't want to hear about it?  Stupid teacher.
 
2014-01-14 10:06:20 PM  
Yesterday my 5 year old saw a picture of Shiva and asked who it was. I said he was a Hindu god. She asked me what a god was. I said they were superheroes from another planet. She seemed convinced since he was blue with many arms.
 
2014-01-14 10:06:30 PM  
How would you feel if Brynn was your daughter?

Shocked and puzzled that someone had taught her such nonsense as she was trying to spew in front of the class?
 
2014-01-14 10:06:45 PM  
For a Christian leaning network station, Fox News seems to have a lot of hate and intolerance.
 
2014-01-14 10:08:29 PM  

Tarkus: These same people would have a fit if a Muslim child started talking about the Koran.



I would applaud the child's bravery.
 
2014-01-14 10:09:13 PM  
Todd Starnes? I'm going to go ahead and assume that there are some significant facts missing from this version of the story.
 
2014-01-14 10:11:18 PM  
A few more details here. From what's come out, it looks likely that the teacher and principal screwed up.
 
2014-01-14 10:12:11 PM  
Children should not be so well versed.
Parents should lay off the heavy duty religion until the kids are teenagers or later.
The teacher stopped one of the most annoying practices of our time.
At the very least the kid is being taught the boundaries of polite society.
 
2014-01-14 10:13:03 PM  

NewportBarGuy: So, they've decided to read books rather than burning them? How quaint.


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2014-01-14 10:13:10 PM  
Hm.  The representatives of the government (local, state, federal), which includes teachers and school administrators, cannot mandate that people be subjected to prayer or proselytizing.  At the same time, government officials cannot prevent people from observing their religion, so long as it doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

This is kind of a strange case.  On the one hand, it doesn't seem wrong to allow the little girl to explain what her family does to observe Christmas, but on the other, if the little girl goes into some kind of speech that causes the other students to be involuntarily subjected to proselytizing, what then?

I'm an antitheist, but want religion to disappear through education and self-reflection, not through any government mandate.  I am not at all sure how this sort of issue should be managed.  Normally, I'm annoyed that people don't understand the simple idea that government officials are not allowed to favor any religion or lack thereof, but that individuals may pray or otherwise observe their religion without prejudice, as long as it doesn't affect others.  This, however, does seem to be a fringe case where the principle itself isn't clear.

The preceding assumes that the article accurately describes what happened.
 
2014-01-14 10:13:23 PM  
No hero tag for the teacher/school?
 
2014-01-14 10:13:38 PM  
I thought her speech was kind of adorable. I couldn't help but read it in Charlie Brown's voice.

"Our Christmas tradition is to put a star on top of our tree," the little girl said. "The star is named the Star of Bethlehem. The three kings followed the star to find baby Jesus, the Savior of the world."

Also I don't see the problem with her speech. It would be fun to know about everybody's different traditions and values.

I don't see why a family needs a law firm to represent them over this though. Everybody is over reacting everywhere.
 
2014-01-14 10:14:54 PM  
On the one hand, it is totally plausible that there's a school out there that doesn't understand the separation of church and state and thinks that it means that students can't even discuss religion on their own. After all, many on the right also mistakenly think that the bn on school lead prayer means students can't pray at all.

On the other hand, the story comes entirely from some parents who decided to employ The Advocates for Faith and Freedom when they ran into trouble and the only quote from the school is basically "no comment." Which is a WND level of reporting all sides of a story. And it end with "What would you do if this was your child!?!?!?!"

I'm going to go ahead and bet there's more to this story.
 
2014-01-14 10:15:23 PM  

AutumnWind: I don't see why a family needs a law firm to represent them over this though. Everybody is over reacting everywhere.


Because Christian Persecution and War on Christmas and furthermore because.
 
2014-01-14 10:16:52 PM  

AutumnWind: I don't see why a family needs a law firm to represent them over this though.


They've been waiting years for this, or something they could pretend was this. It's like winning the Persecution Complex Lottery.
 
2014-01-14 10:17:07 PM  
My wife last week: "It's time to take down Christmas."

Me: "I'm reporting your ass to Fox News, Grinch!"

Turns out she was talking about taking down the Christmas decorations. But you can understand my confusion
 
2014-01-14 10:17:09 PM  
Oh god, this went main page.

Well, I'm out of here before people start smearing feces on each other and screaming about chemtrails.

Nighty night.
 
2014-01-14 10:18:44 PM  

murderguy: if the little girl goes into some kind of speech that causes the other students to be involuntarily subjected to proselytizing, what then?


Is describing how you celebrate Christmas proselytizing?

The letter also demands TVUSD provide a written apology to Brynn and allow her to complete her speech in class.

Just make your point and leave the Grade 1 kid out of it. She doesn't need to complete the speech in the glare of publicity.
 
2014-01-14 10:20:32 PM  
i thought that said barbies....well of course he should shut up about the bible. would like a kid that quoted scripture at you all day? little freak.
 
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