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(CBC)   Man repeatedly confronted by police for public drunkenness. Problem: It's actually Huntington's disease   (cbc.ca) divider line 68
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2014-01-15 02:26:01 AM
On the overall subject: if you have the gene for it, just adopt.

It can be tested and we could rid ourselves of the entire problem in a generation.
 
2014-01-15 02:40:01 AM

Shadowknight: Bumblefark: Occam might suggest to the cops that a drunk person would normally smell like booze.

There are times when no, they do not smell like a brewery/distillery.  In fact, there are other intoxicants that give you a similar effect without smelling like anything at all.

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Yeah, I'm going to have to call bullshiat.

"Reasonable suspicion" isn't a game of hypotheticals. If somebody is drunk enough to be stumbling around and slurring, yes -- you can normally smell it. Especially if they are moving about, out in the daylight. And if you can't smell it, you might have medical issues of your own. Alcohol is not a terribly subtle drug. If you believe otherwise, you probably haven't spent much time around drunks.

But, hey -- let's move on to the "other intoxicants." Name one that (1) imitates alcohol intoxication, (2) that doesn't put off a distinctive smell on the user, and (3) doesn't normally associate with any other tell-tale sign beyond motor impairment, which an adequately trained cop wouldn't be able to recognize.
 
2014-01-15 03:01:34 AM

Shadowknight: gibbon1: Occam's twin bladed razor says, it's hard to smell a drunk, when you've been drinking too.

Well, there's that too.


*SNORT*

Oh, hell...even I can smell the booze on me.

You all is high.
 
2014-01-15 03:53:00 AM
Thanks for the kind words.

Smackledorfer: On the overall subject: if you have the gene for it, just adopt.

It can be tested and we could rid ourselves of the entire problem in a generation.

Me and my wife are having a daughter in a couple of months. It's already been tested and is clean. Science.

Everyone's CAG repeats tend to get worse generation by generation. Half of mine are just too sucky. My point is that it'll keep coming back.
 
2014-01-15 03:54:28 AM
Had something similar happen to me, a couple times.  Only happened with middle of nowhere local-yokels though.

Traumatic brain injury from an IED in Iraq, so comprehension and such is thrown off.  I can't say the alphabet backwards, or do the whole "63 to 48 in reverse" bit.  The physical tests, like walking down a line or standing on one foot I also tend to fail, due to joint injury in the legs.

I've had cops pull the "suspicion" bit, I blow 0.0 on the meter, and they still drag me in to test for "other" drugs.  Thankfully, my landlord is also a lawyer, fellow vet, and is quite happy to be on retainer for $5. One chat with him, and within a couple hours I was free.
 
2014-01-15 06:51:49 AM
Saw this on the local news last night. Springhill is a small town with fewer than 4,000 people in it. Surely the eleven police officers should know him by now. Good grief.

/would not wish Huntington's on my worst enemy.
 
2014-01-15 07:51:20 AM

Sass-O-Rev: Saw this on the local news last night. Springhill is a small town with fewer than 4,000 people in it. Surely the eleven police officers should know him by now. Good grief.

/would not wish Huntington's on my worst enemy.


From whati read in the article, they never mentioned where these incidents all took place. Did the news report say that it all took place in the one town? Or did some of it happen elsewhere?

Because yes, local police may know the guy. Police in the adjacent towns maybe not so much.
 
2014-01-15 10:06:42 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think you have to register and provide medical proof, and you also get an ID card that describes your condition


Not really. There are exceptions where you do actually provide a medical history, but for common ones like diabetic and penicillin allergy, you can buy them for under $10 at you local pharmacy, no questions asked. For not-so-common ones like Huntington's or hemophiliac, you can order them engraved with your choice of wording for not much more. You can even get them in 14K gold and silver.

/diabetic
//low blood sugar present with similar symptoms

vodka: The simple fact is, you walk like a duck. It must suck ass to have this disease but you must realize the position it puts other people in who have absolutely no way of knowing otherise. Exceptions are not the rule because, well, they're exceptions.


Too bad there isn't a simple field sobriety test.
 
2014-01-15 10:20:58 AM

okiemule: Not really. There are exceptions where you do actually provide a medical history, but for common ones like diabetic and penicillin allergy, you can buy them for under $10 at you local pharmacy, no questions asked. For not-so-common ones like Huntington's or hemophiliac, you can order them engraved with your choice of wording for not much more. You can even get them in 14K gold and silver.

/diabetic
//low blood sugar present with similar symptoms


*fistbump*

/just getting mine evened out
//cratered a couple of times, leading to much fun and frivolity
///especially at work
 
2014-01-15 10:52:02 AM

BafflerMeal: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 602x341]


I'd hop on Thirteen and ride the shakes any day.
 
2014-01-15 11:00:27 AM

walkerhound: [i1.bebo.com image 500x183]

/yes I know that's Parkinson's


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2014-01-15 11:19:04 AM

Shadowknight: cryinoutloud: They don't know what Huntington's is and they can't be arsed to find out. It's more fun to pick on the guy.

I think Occam's Razor would say that they just didn't know what it was, and went with what was the most common explanation for the symptoms they were seeing, rather than some grand conspiracy to bully a cripple.
I'm a medically trained person, and even I suspected drunk or high when I first saw advanced Huntingtons.  It's not something you see every day, where someone being positive ETOH very much is.  I wouldn't expect a couple of non-medically trained police officers (outside of basic CPR and first aid) in the middle of BFE to know what they were looking at right away.  Besides, the article says where the man lives, but not necessarily where all of this incidents supposedly took place.  Yes, the folks in his town would maybe know him enough, but what about the next town over?  Are we really going to expect everyone in the surrounding communities to run around town with a picture of him on their dash that says "Not Drunk" at all times?


I hate cops, and I have good reasons for it, not just Fark threads. So guess what my Occam's razor says?
 
2014-01-15 12:55:38 PM

Crosma: Thanks for the kind words.

Smackledorfer: On the overall subject: if you have the gene for it, just adopt.

It can be tested and we could rid ourselves of the entire problem in a generation.

Me and my wife are having a daughter in a couple of months. It's already been tested and is clean. Science.

Everyone's CAG repeats tend to get worse generation by generation. Half of mine are just too sucky. My point is that it'll keep coming back.


I stand corrected then. By science!
 
2014-01-15 12:56:55 PM

cryinoutloud: Shadowknight: cryinoutloud: They don't know what Huntington's is and they can't be arsed to find out. It's more fun to pick on the guy.

I think Occam's Razor would say that they just didn't know what it was, and went with what was the most common explanation for the symptoms they were seeing, rather than some grand conspiracy to bully a cripple.
I'm a medically trained person, and even I suspected drunk or high when I first saw advanced Huntingtons.  It's not something you see every day, where someone being positive ETOH very much is.  I wouldn't expect a couple of non-medically trained police officers (outside of basic CPR and first aid) in the middle of BFE to know what they were looking at right away.  Besides, the article says where the man lives, but not necessarily where all of this incidents supposedly took place.  Yes, the folks in his town would maybe know him enough, but what about the next town over?  Are we really going to expect everyone in the surrounding communities to run around town with a picture of him on their dash that says "Not Drunk" at all times?

I hate cops, and I have good reasons for it, not just Fark threads. So guess what my Occam's razor says?


It says you don't understand Occam's razor or basic statistics.
 
2014-01-15 03:10:39 PM

fusillade762: The officers would ask me questions and it would take me quite some time to answer because I have issues with comprehension

So you have a condition that affects your motor skills and cognition in virtually the same way as being drunk? How is that different from actually being drunk?


MaudlinMutantMollusk: [www.portable-essentials.com image 768x559]
/Just sayin'...
//couldn't hurt, anyway

Yeah, somehow I doubt the cops would believe it anyway.


I agree with the first part and hope he is never using a motor vehicle.   However,  to the second he should talk to the local police and organise a time to go in and explain his situation.  That way when they see him they will know the situation.      I would suspect with such a disablility he would be staying local and as such it wouldn't take long for the police to recognise him and understand the situation.
 
2014-01-15 04:51:45 PM

fusillade762: The officers would ask me questions and it would take me quite some time to answer because I have issues with comprehension

So you have a condition that affects your motor skills and cognition in virtually the same way as being drunk? How is that different from actually being drunk?


MaudlinMutantMollusk: [www.portable-essentials.com image 768x559]
/Just sayin'...
//couldn't hurt, anyway

Yeah, somehow I doubt the cops would believe it anyway.


Having a disease, as long as it does not leave him a danger to himself or others, is not a crime. We don't live in Erehwon. If he is mentally competent and walking, not driving, then these hassles bring up a serious quality of life issue for this man and a constitutional issue as far as the harassment goes.

What he should do is contact the local police chief and explain what is happening. If the police chief is a halfway decent human being he will let the officers know and things should get better. Also carry something to document the condition. If he still gets hassled then he sues.
 
2014-01-15 08:18:42 PM
As a person myself with parkinsons mild tho .Yes I do sometimes take a bt of extra time to answer things.And I stumbles while walking.i am getting a big laff from this thread. Thnks for making my day!
 
2014-01-16 09:37:39 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: okiemule: Not really. There are exceptions where you do actually provide a medical history, but for common ones like diabetic and penicillin allergy, you can buy them for under $10 at you local pharmacy, no questions asked. For not-so-common ones like Huntington's or hemophiliac, you can order them engraved with your choice of wording for not much more. You can even get them in 14K gold and silver.

/diabetic
//low blood sugar present with similar symptoms

*fistbump*

/just getting mine evened out
//cratered a couple of times, leading to much fun and frivolity
///especially at work


I was diagnosed in '95, and I still have "those" days. Better than it used to be, but still sucks. I'm Type I, and have been on the needle since the start, which doesn't help.

Once, back when Mrs. Mule (she's actually the okie part, as I'm from the great state of Misery) first started dating, we worked together as cashiers in a small grocery store. One night, not long after being diagnosed, I was having a sugar low, it was busy, and my break was an hour off. Much fun was had when she found out that our night manager refused to let me grab a snack. Good times.

Now, I found this container that holds 4 glucose tablets and hangs on my keychain for a couple bucks at Wal-Mart. Perfect dosing, and extremely convenient for the occasional sugar low. To be honest, I don't know which I hate worse - highs or lows. Both make me feel crappy and grumpy. Nothing like "coming to" and realizing your wife is freaking out because you're awake but not responding to her or making sense (sugar low). It didn't help that freaking out caused her to mis-read the code that pops up when you insert your test strip as my current blood sugar - the code was 300+.

/ugh to that feeling
//of course, she was there in the beginning, and she's stuck with me over the past 17+ years, so I got lucky
///:)
 
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