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2014-01-14 08:38:18 PM
It's a concern. Especially when friends around them are using religion. My son learned about god from his classmates. It was a lesson. Talk to them early before it's too late.
 
2014-01-14 08:45:52 PM
Hey!
Your tooth fairy is real.
Santa is real.
The Easter bunny is real.
You're an adult at 18 is real if you want to drive, fark, of serve our country is real.
Drinking at 21 is real.
That dead guy on a stick?
Not real!
 
2014-01-14 08:46:03 PM

Mangoose: It's a concern. Especially when friends around them are using religion. My son learned about god from his classmates.


It wasn't his religion.  He was holding it for a friend.  Honest.
 
2014-01-14 08:56:14 PM
From TFA: I just hope that, the next time she faces a life-defining decision, she remembers this time when she told us she had faith in something we don't. And we believed in her.

Oh yeah, subby. Those parents sound truly horrified. Exactly like the Christian parents you hear about who disown their children, cut off communication, sometimes cut off support, etc. for being unable to believe. I guess this is up there with militant atheists being just like militant Christians, right?
 
2014-01-14 08:57:16 PM
Also, here's the original, full article in The Guardian, in case anyone wants to read more than a blurb on a crappy blog.
 
2014-01-14 09:09:09 PM
Free will
 
2014-01-14 09:33:27 PM
She brought us the crucifixion.

that's...um...well that's nice dear.  But did you get a receipt?  i'm not sure that's going to fit my size....no, no it the thought that counts.  yes, daddy still loves you and let me just take those rail road spikes and put them somewhere safe, ok?  thanks darling!  now run along and play, ok?  there's a good girl!
 
2014-01-14 09:38:56 PM

mamoru: Also, here's the original, full article in The Guardian, in case anyone wants to read more than a blurb on a crappy blog.


This. What the hell? Why make us click through TWO pages of garbage to get to the actual article?

Now on to the Guardian bit: the author fails to mention how old she is. This seems like a crucial piece of information to leave out.
 
2014-01-14 09:52:56 PM
Why are people so horrified that some people find comfort in religious faith?  I'm willing to bet that most atheist have an unshakeable faith that the universe is filled with intelligent life despite any scientific proof, so maybe they should give the god-believers a break.
 
2014-01-14 10:15:58 PM
That's going to make Christmas awkward.
 
2014-01-14 10:19:19 PM
I encouraged my children to explore all religions, especially their history.

It kind of put them off the stuff.  Imagine that.
 
2014-01-14 10:19:50 PM
Seems they sort of are responsible for that seed being sowed so to speak. If you have concerns about your offspring becoming religion, maybe don't surround them with religious people. They enrolled her in a catholic school, she probably made friends who are catholic. Now she's catholic. Coincidence? I think not.

Now, I'm not discouraging anyone's right to believing in such things, but I rather believe in people and our species as a whole than some sky god
 
2014-01-14 10:21:49 PM
*becoming religious. Durh.
 
2014-01-14 10:22:53 PM
Rebellion, how the fark does it work?
 
2014-01-14 11:16:45 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Rebellion, how the fark does it work?


Meh, I don't really consider it teenage/young adult rebellion per se, because that often implies that it's specifically against the parents in order to get a rise out of them in an effort to assert one's individuality. Seeing as, in this case, the parents appear to be understanding, accepting, and still love their daughter (and think highly enough of her to consider it requiring "courage" to tell her parents she wants to be Catholic), I'd almost consider this either a genuine conversion because she wasn't sheltered from other theological perspectives and finds something in Catholicism that appeals to her, or youthful curiosity at how another worldview lives enough to want to adopt it. Either of which are great traits for anyone to have.

But then again, I'm armchair speculating on the internet, so I could be wrong on every count, and ultimately my interpretation of this doesn't mean a damn thing, so there's that.
 
2014-01-14 11:26:10 PM
I'm going to sit my kid down one of these days (when Mrs. GreenAdder and I decide it's time to have kids). And I'm going to say, "look, kid. You can believe whatever you want about spirituality, faith, religion, a god or gods, science, the origin of the species, UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis."

And then I'll lean in and get very serious. "But if you ever play as Oddjob again, you'll be looking for a new set of parents."
 
2014-01-14 11:29:38 PM

Lucky LaRue: Why are people so horrified that some people find comfort in religious faith?  I'm willing to bet that most atheist have an unshakeable faith that the universe is filled with intelligent life despite any scientific proof, so maybe they should give the god-believers a break.


Read TFA (the actual Guardian on mamoru linked). The parents aren't "horrified", far from it. Subby was being hyperbolic. Or maybe just trolly. I can't tell anymore.
 
2014-01-14 11:39:40 PM
Every decent person believes or hopes for in something intangible.

As Death put it:
TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY.
 
2014-01-14 11:40:23 PM
If you teach your children religious history, they magically don't believe in any of it.
 
2014-01-14 11:41:08 PM
Kids usually outgrow fair tales, so parents are right to be concerned if their kids do the opposite.
 
2014-01-14 11:41:43 PM

Perducci: Kids usually outgrow fair tales, so parents are right to be concerned if their kids do the opposite.


"fairy" even
 
2014-01-14 11:42:28 PM
Whatever, it's just a phase. Be glad they turned to a regular religion rather than Lyndon LaRouche or Ayn Rand.
 
2014-01-14 11:43:04 PM

Kome: PC LOAD LETTER: Rebellion, how the fark does it work?

Meh, I don't really consider it teenage/young adult rebellion per se, because that often implies that it's specifically against the parents in order to get a rise out of them in an effort to assert one's individuality. Seeing as, in this case, the parents appear to be understanding, accepting, and still love their daughter (and think highly enough of her to consider it requiring "courage" to tell her parents she wants to be Catholic), I'd almost consider this either a genuine conversion because she wasn't sheltered from other theological perspectives and finds something in Catholicism that appeals to her, or youthful curiosity at how another worldview lives enough to want to adopt it. Either of which are great traits for anyone to have.

But then again, I'm armchair speculating on the internet, so I could be wrong on every count, and ultimately my interpretation of this doesn't mean a damn thing, so there's that.


The funny thing is about that, is she actually would be sheltered from other theological perspectives in her school, she wouldn't be told by these teachers "No, you should remain Atheist and talk to your parents about your religious thoughts." These atheist parents decided to enroll their daughter into a Catholic school and naively thought she wouldn't be influenced by the teachers or her peers? If I want my future children (if I have any) to embrace my beliefs, I wouldn't put them into an environment that completely contradicts it.
 
2014-01-14 11:43:23 PM

mamoru: From TFA: I just hope that, the next time she faces a life-defining decision, she remembers this time when she told us she had faith in something we don't. And we believed in her.

Oh yeah, subby. Those parents sound truly horrified. Exactly like the Christian parents you hear about who disown their children, cut off communication, sometimes cut off support, etc. for being unable to believe. I guess this is up there with militant atheists being just like militant Christians, right?


Newsflash to the stupid: Bad parents exist in all walks of life. Stop championing sides.

Article isn't really news or interesting, given an option, people will choose hope and meaning most of the time.
 
2014-01-14 11:43:27 PM
farkin kids. Grow up and form their own opinions.
 
2014-01-14 11:44:59 PM

Lucky LaRue: Why are people so horrified that some people find comfort in religious faith?  I'm willing to bet that most atheist have an unshakeable faith that the universe is filled with intelligent life despite any scientific proof, so maybe they should give the god-believers a break.


I have little doubt that the universe is filled with life. The abundance of water, the presence of organic compounds and the sheer incomprehensible size of the universe mean that life is likely very prevalent. These assumptions are all based on facts that we know about the nature of the universe. Whether that life evolves long enough to become intelligent is a much more difficult question to answer as it depends on a great number of factors we don't fully understand yet.

Either way, the question isn't really pertinent. Atheists have an unshakable belief in the absence of god or gods, hence making them atheists.
 
2014-01-14 11:45:32 PM

Lucky LaRue: Why are people so horrified that some people find comfort in religious faith?  I'm willing to bet that most atheist have an unshakeable faith that the universe is filled with intelligent life despite any scientific proof, so maybe they should give the god-believers a break.


Not sure. But if you need to be comforted, perhaps something us wrong. My general counsel to a friend when something is wrong involves some concrete steps that might aid them in a meaningful way. I'd suggest prayer if it wasn't some horseshiat waste of time with millennia of testable examples of it not working at all ever.
 
2014-01-14 11:46:37 PM
my 4 year old says I can just leave him home alone because god'll watch him

I don't know what to say
 
2014-01-14 11:48:00 PM

MrEricSir: Whatever, it's just a phase. Be glad they turned to a regular religion rather than Lyndon LaRouche or Ayn Rand.


Umm, gateway faith in silly ideas.
 
2014-01-14 11:48:27 PM
I may have been raised Catholic, but am a confirmed non-religious person now.   Yet, I can understand this.  One of the absolutely coolest people I ever knew was Fr. Jack Boucher, SJ, who was one of the priests at the parish I was a member of in my teens. I really enjoyed the social aspects of being in a church, but never could get over the divine bullshiat.

This new pope, though, is shaking my non-faith.  If there were a church-like social organization that did good things because they're good things, rather than because a grey-bearded sky wizard would send them to hell if they didn't ...
 
2014-01-14 11:49:05 PM
I would literally beat the Jesus out of him... To the legal limit that is...
 
2014-01-14 11:49:08 PM

miss diminutive: Either way, the question isn't really pertinent. Atheists have an unshakable belief in the absence of god or gods, hence making them atheists.


Troll-like typing detected

There's nothing unshakeable about my lack of belief. Show me a shred of evidence and I'll change my tune in an instant.

/Been saying that for the last 20 years
//nobody's been up to the challenge.
 
2014-01-14 11:49:28 PM

Lucky LaRue: Why are people so horrified that some people find comfort in religious faith?  I'm willing to bet that most atheist have an unshakeable faith that the universe is filled with intelligent life despite any scientific proof, so maybe they should give the god-believers a break.


How much money are you putting up? I don't know any atheists who think that way. Just because you believe in Santa doesn't mean that the kids who don't believe in Santa believe in the Easter Bunny instead.
 
2014-01-14 11:51:34 PM

GreenAdder: And then I'll lean in and get very serious. "But if you ever play as Oddjob again, you'll be looking for a new set of parents."


"Don't worry darling, daddy's just mad because he keeps forgetting to drop proximity mines next to the good weapons."
 
2014-01-14 11:51:38 PM
Eh, not unusual teenage religious ecstasy. She'll probably grow out of it. Or else she'll lead the French to rise up against the English occupiers only to be burned at the stake for heresy.
 
2014-01-14 11:51:46 PM
New atheism thread? New atheism thread.

static.fjcdn.com

/slants trillby
 
2014-01-14 11:52:56 PM

Gothnet: miss diminutive: Either way, the question isn't really pertinent. Atheists have an unshakable belief in the absence of god or gods, hence making them atheists.

Troll-like typing detected

There's nothing unshakeable about my lack of belief. Show me a shred of evidence and I'll change my tune in an instant.

/Been saying that for the last 20 years
//nobody's been up to the challenge.


Wait, what? You're saying your lack of belief is shakeable? Avoid the triple negatives, please.
 
2014-01-14 11:52:59 PM
I was all prepared to get outraged at these parents. Then I read TFA. Good for them for supporting
their daughter's decision. I wish that kind of understanding were more common across the board.

Although both of my sons were baptized in the Catholic faith, my oldest is quite firmly entrenched in
the agnostic camp while our youngest is in religious ed, youth group, is a lector, etc... Both of them
have each made their choices and we support that. My oldest comes with us to Christmas mass and
Easter mass because - for him - it is a tradition that he enjoys.

Faith (or lack thereof) can't be crammed down someone's throat. Being forced to go through the
motions of believing isn't faith - that's brainwashing. Maybe my oldest will decide he wants to be
more involved, maybe he won't. As long as he is happy and does his best to be a good person, what
more can a mother ask for?
 
2014-01-14 11:53:13 PM

Lucky LaRue: Why are people so horrified that some people find comfort in religious faith?  I'm willing to bet that most atheist have an unshakeable faith that the universe is filled with intelligent life despite any scientific proof, so maybe they should give the god-believers a break.


Unshakable? Naw.

I look up to the stars and think about all the other planets, and imagine that there must be other life out there. The shear number of planets means that the probability of life occurring on another one is likely approaching 1.

It's a pleasant thought. It's a nice thought.

But I don't make life altering decisions based on it. I don't try to change governmental policy based on it.

And you know what? I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of atheists out there don't either.

But you know who does make massive life altering decisions based on shear faith? You know who does try to change government policy and dictate the lives of others based on it? People who believe the way they worship their god is the one and only way any human should be living.

If these religious fanatics would stop trying to base policy off their religious preferences, then most atheists would stop caring about their beliefs and we'd all get along a little bit better.
 
2014-01-14 11:55:12 PM

miss diminutive: You're saying your lack of belief is shakeable?



That is the meaning in context. If a godlike entity turns up and does something otherwise unexplainable, he (?) would believe the evidence presented.
 
2014-01-14 11:57:02 PM

miss diminutive: Lucky LaRue: Why are people so horrified that some people find comfort in religious faith?  I'm willing to bet that most atheist have an unshakeable faith that the universe is filled with intelligent life despite any scientific proof, so maybe they should give the god-believers a break.

I have little doubt that the universe is filled with life. The abundance of water, the presence of organic compounds and the sheer incomprehensible size of the universe mean that life is likely very prevalent. These assumptions are all based on facts that we know about the nature of the universe. Whether that life evolves long enough to become intelligent is a much more difficult question to answer as it depends on a great number of factors we don't fully understand yet.

Either way, the question isn't really pertinent. Atheists have an unshakable belief in the absence of god or gods, hence making them atheists.


I thought atheism was a lack of a belief in a god, not an active belief that there is no god.

Or it could be both, really.

/subtle differences, I guess
 
2014-01-14 11:57:19 PM

Gothnet: Show me a shred of evidence and I'll change my tune in an instant.



That's much too vulgar a display of power, Gothnet.
 
2014-01-14 11:57:21 PM

Boojum2k: miss diminutive: You're saying your lack of belief is shakeable?

That is the meaning in context. If a godlike entity turns up and does something otherwise unexplainable, he (?) would believe the evidence presented.


Ah ok, gotcha.

Brain not function well sleep without.
 
2014-01-14 11:58:05 PM
FTA: She brought us heaven, god and an afterlife. We gave her 21st-century life and a brief future as worm fodder.

And neither she nor they would have any control whatsoever over which is true.
 
2014-01-14 11:58:33 PM
I have precisely the same amount of sympathy for parents horrified that their kids "found God" as I do for those horrified that their kids have lost faith:  None whatsoever.  Get over it and lover your kid unconditionally.
 
2014-01-14 11:58:42 PM

mgshamster: I thought atheism was a lack of a belief in a god, not an active belief that there is no god.Or it could be both, really.



It's generally the first as far as the individual goes, but given how the entire world is filled with people who believe in the supernatural and god or gods, it really works out more of the second in practice.
 
2014-01-14 11:59:10 PM

miss diminutive: Lucky LaRue: Why are people so horrified that some people find comfort in religious faith?  I'm willing to bet that most atheist have an unshakeable faith that the universe is filled with intelligent life despite any scientific proof, so maybe they should give the god-believers a break.

I have little doubt that the universe is filled with life. The abundance of water, the presence of organic compounds and the sheer incomprehensible size of the universe mean that life is likely very prevalent. These assumptions are all based on facts that we know about the nature of the universe. Whether that life evolves long enough to become intelligent is a much more difficult question to answer as it depends on a great number of factors we don't fully understand yet.

Either way, the question isn't really pertinent. Atheists have an unshakable belief in the absence of god or gods, hence making them atheists.


There is a 100% chance of intelligent life in the universe. What makes us special apart from arrogance?

I have the same unshakable faith in lack of gods as you have faith that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow. Sure it is possible for it not to, but it makes for a lousy bet in Vegas.
 
2014-01-15 12:00:01 AM

mgshamster: miss diminutive: Lucky LaRue: Why are people so horrified that some people find comfort in religious faith?  I'm willing to bet that most atheist have an unshakeable faith that the universe is filled with intelligent life despite any scientific proof, so maybe they should give the god-believers a break.

I have little doubt that the universe is filled with life. The abundance of water, the presence of organic compounds and the sheer incomprehensible size of the universe mean that life is likely very prevalent. These assumptions are all based on facts that we know about the nature of the universe. Whether that life evolves long enough to become intelligent is a much more difficult question to answer as it depends on a great number of factors we don't fully understand yet.

Either way, the question isn't really pertinent. Atheists have an unshakable belief in the absence of god or gods, hence making them atheists.

I thought atheism was a lack of a belief in a god, not an active belief that there is no god.

Or it could be both, really.

/subtle differences, I guess


I think this table explains it better than I can.

theimside.files.wordpress.com

/agnostic atheist
 
2014-01-15 12:00:09 AM

Omahawg: my 4 year old says I can just leave him home alone because god'll watch him

I don't know what to say


CSB time...

When my husband was an attorney for the public defender's office, he was in court one day
with a client who kept insisting that he already had an attorney. So the judge asks the guy,
"When will your attorney be here, sir?"

"Oh, he's already here." the guy replied.

"Who is your attorney?" the judge asked him.

"God is my attorney," said the client.

The courtroom was silent while the judge digested this, then he said, "Will you co-counsel, Mr.
Turcotte, just in case God needs any help?"

Yeah, he's had some interesting cases. Don't even get me started on the guy who insisted that
he didn't have a head.

/ end CSB
 
2014-01-15 12:00:46 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: miss diminutive: Lucky LaRue: Why are people so horrified that some people find comfort in religious faith?  I'm willing to bet that most atheist have an unshakeable faith that the universe is filled with intelligent life despite any scientific proof, so maybe they should give the god-believers a break.

I have little doubt that the universe is filled with life. The abundance of water, the presence of organic compounds and the sheer incomprehensible size of the universe mean that life is likely very prevalent. These assumptions are all based on facts that we know about the nature of the universe. Whether that life evolves long enough to become intelligent is a much more difficult question to answer as it depends on a great number of factors we don't fully understand yet.

Either way, the question isn't really pertinent. Atheists have an unshakable belief in the absence of god or gods, hence making them atheists.

There is a 100% chance of intelligent life in the universe. What makes us special apart from arrogance?

I have the same unshakable faith in lack of gods as you have faith that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow. Sure it is possible for it not to, but it makes for a lousy bet in Vegas.


I bet you have an awesome fedora
 
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