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2014-01-14 04:29:02 PM
Makes sense.  If the settlement amount isn't big enough, somebody is going to get screwed.
 
2014-01-14 04:35:35 PM
It was completely bogus from the beginning, particularly the claim about the settlement covering all players, even those not involved with the suit
 
2014-01-14 04:35:37 PM

BizarreMan: Makes sense.  If the settlement amount isn't big enough, somebody lawyer is going to get screwed.

 
2014-01-14 04:35:58 PM
Concussions...Pffft! Take a Tylenol and quit your whining.
 
2014-01-14 04:36:53 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Concussions...Pffft! Take a Tylenol and quit your whining.


Rub some dirt on it and get back out there.
 
2014-01-14 04:37:04 PM
This is how the great game of football will be destroyed.  At first the league and current players not looking out for those that built the game and now the former players, many of whom knew, or should have know the dangers of the game coming back for "theirs + interest."

The league makes too much money to survive.
 
2014-01-14 04:44:38 PM
I submitted this with a headline which wasn't greened, don't care, just glad the story is here.

/interested in reading how it goes over in Farkland
 
2014-01-14 04:49:04 PM

Uzzah: Sin_City_Superhero: Concussions...Pffft! Take a Tylenol and quit your whining.

Rub some dirt on it and get back out there.


Get UP! You're killin' the grass!
 
2014-01-14 04:54:40 PM
So, NFL, just how much is it worth to keep us from finding out what you knew and when you knew it?
 
2014-01-14 04:55:15 PM

Lost Thought 00: It was completely bogus from the beginning, particularly the claim about the settlement covering all players, even those not involved with the suit


yeah, it was always a just a "sweep everything under the rug" type of settlement, great that it'll all come back up right before the super bowl

jpo2269: This is how the great game of football will be destroyed.  At first the league and current players not looking out for those that built the game and now the former players, many of whom knew, or should have know the dangers of the game coming back for "theirs + interest."

The league makes too much money to survive.


the NFL deserves some farking
 
2014-01-14 04:57:28 PM

ElwoodCuse: So, NFL, just how much is it worth to keep us from finding out what you knew and when you knew it?


Easily another few $100 million. Don't worry, this will settle eventually once everyone is sure they're getting a big enough check.
 
2014-01-14 04:59:08 PM

jpo2269: This is how the great game of football will be destroyed.


Yeah - it's very fun to watch, but the price of playing is too high. Pop Warner is down 10% from last year. Think of all the college players not good enough to go pro. Where's their settlement? This is only the beginning.
 
2014-01-14 05:05:36 PM
Interestingly the rumour is they're asking 800 million for the Thursday night football rights... odd that the number is so similar to what they'll owe for this settlement.. hmm...
 
2014-01-14 05:12:16 PM

Triumph: jpo2269: This is how the great game of football will be destroyed.

Yeah - it's very fun to watch, but the price of playing is too high. Pop Warner is down 10% from last year. Think of all the college players not good enough to go pro. Where's their settlement? This is only the beginning.


I love football. I think that, tactically speaking, it's the most interesting sport to watch, because all 11 people are somewhat involved in every play.

I would not let my sons play football. The long-term risks are too great, considering they can learn the same life lessons playing another organized sport.

That's how the game dies.
 
2014-01-14 05:12:28 PM

Triumph: jpo2269: This is how the great game of football will be destroyed.

Yeah - it's very fun to watch, but the price of playing is too high. Pop Warner is down 10% from last year. Think of all the college players not good enough to go pro. Where's their settlement? This is only the beginning.


Oh, the NCAA and everyone every involved with it is royally farked
 
2014-01-14 05:14:03 PM
The antitrust violations are going to kill the NCAA before concussions do
 
2014-01-14 05:14:30 PM
One of the big issues is the lawyers were asking for 110 million of the settlement without any explanation that usually accompanies the settlement explaining why that portion is "reasonable."  I guess they assumed that 110m for filing the case and doing some prep work was obviously a fair deal for those they represented who may need millions of care and will get shortchanged because the legal team needs some more solid gold toilets.
 
2014-01-14 05:18:08 PM

Daedalus27: One of the big issues is the lawyers were asking for 110 million of the settlement without any explanation that usually accompanies the settlement explaining why that portion is "reasonable."  I guess they assumed that 110m for filing the case and doing some prep work was obviously a fair deal for those they represented who may need millions of care and will get shortchanged because the legal team needs some more solid gold toilets.


Plus they get paid now, not in dribs and drabs via a properly structured settlement.
 
2014-01-14 05:27:15 PM

jpo2269: This is how the great game of football will be destroyed.  At first the league and current players not looking out for those that built the game and now the former players, many of whom knew, or should have know the dangers of the game coming back for "theirs + interest."


...how, again, does this absolve the NFL of the responsibility of its business?

And if you have an answer to that: how do you feel about Black Lung benefits?

/If an occupation (even a sport) has serious health risks, and business owners aren't willing or able to front the costs for the consequences of those risks, then those businesses should not be in that occupation. Period.
 
2014-01-14 05:29:52 PM
A percentage of all NFL income paid into a fund annually.
 
2014-01-14 05:32:44 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Daedalus27: One of the big issues is the lawyers were asking for 110 million of the settlement without any explanation that usually accompanies the settlement explaining why that portion is "reasonable."  I guess they assumed that 110m for filing the case and doing some prep work was obviously a fair deal for those they represented who may need millions of care and will get shortchanged because the legal team needs some more solid gold toilets.

Plus they get paid now, not in dribs and drabs via a properly structured settlement.



Well they can't wait for those solid gold toilets.  They need to shiat in style now.
 
2014-01-14 05:36:41 PM
As someone working on the new generation of data-streaming/logging NFL helmets with wireless accelerometers, I am getting a kick out of this.

/So far, however, they have nixed my idea of the networks overlaying "health bars" on the players during games. Something about player confidentiality and potential for misuse of the information by opposing teams, yadda yadda :(
 
2014-01-14 05:40:13 PM
Why wouldn't they get the maximum amount for medical malpractice (the NFL provides doctors, those doctors routinely ignored signs of concussion, etc.)?

In California, it's $250,000, which over 4800 players is $1.2 billion.
 
2014-01-14 05:42:50 PM

Lost Thought 00: Oh, the NCAA and everyone every involved with it is royally farked


The NCAA is like the mafia. They promise to take care of you, if you'll just do this thing for them. They'll handle all the money and you just score some touchdowns and don't complain when your bell gets rung. If you show enough promise, someday maybe they'll introduce you to their good friend MISTER Goodell.
 
2014-01-14 05:44:42 PM
It shouldn't be just about concussions and CTE, really. Teams are able to pull the "pre-existing conditions" card and reduce/eliminate liability on just about any injuries sustained by a player.

I don't think this was posted to Fark, but it's worth a read (albeit quite long for an "excerpt").
 
2014-01-14 05:46:03 PM

jpo2269: This is how the great game of football will be destroyed.  At first the league and current players not looking out for those that built the game and now the former players, many of whom knew, or should have know the dangers of the game coming back for "theirs + interest."

The league makes too much money to survive.


Have you watched the PBS Frontline special on this? The NFL spent a decade publishing fake science articles to try and convince everyone that there was NO long term health problems in the brain from playing football and they destroyed the work(and lives) of any scientist that disagreed with them.
 
2014-01-14 05:48:37 PM

Uzzah: Sin_City_Superhero: Concussions...Pffft! Take a Tylenol and quit your whining.

Rub some 'tussin dirt on it and get back out there.

 
2014-01-14 05:50:42 PM

ElwoodCuse: The antitrust violations are going to kill the NCAA before concussions do


You realize the NCAA is not covered by the Sports Broadcasting Act, right?  It's not subject to anti-trust exemptions.

ISO15693: As someone working on the new generation of data-streaming/logging NFL helmets with wireless accelerometers, I am getting a kick out of this.

/So far, however, they have nixed my idea of the networks overlaying "health bars" on the players during games. Something about player confidentiality and potential for misuse of the information by opposing teams, yadda yadda :(


In other words, the league office could see Belichick's erection from Delaware.
 
2014-01-14 05:58:40 PM

UNC_Samurai: ElwoodCuse: The antitrust violations are going to kill the NCAA before concussions do

You realize the NCAA is not covered by the Sports Broadcasting Act, right?  It's not subject to anti-trust exemptions.

ISO15693: As someone working on the new generation of data-streaming/logging NFL helmets with wireless accelerometers, I am getting a kick out of this.

/So far, however, they have nixed my idea of the networks overlaying "health bars" on the players during games. Something about player confidentiality and potential for misuse of the information by opposing teams, yadda yadda :(

In other words, the league office could see Belichick's erection from Delaware.


I'd have gone with Sean Payton myself but it works.
 
2014-01-14 06:35:30 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: A percentage of all NFL income paid into a fund annually.


hmmmm...interesting.  Good thought
 
2014-01-14 06:36:48 PM
They didnt know playing football was dangerous? Give me a break.
 
2014-01-14 06:47:14 PM
I'd been thinking all along the NFL got off cheap in this settlement.
 
2014-01-14 07:12:37 PM

ISO15693: As someone working on the new generation of data-streaming/logging NFL helmets with wireless accelerometers, I am getting a kick out of this.

/So far, however, they have nixed my idea of the networks overlaying "health bars" on the players during games. Something about player confidentiality and potential for misuse of the information by opposing teams, yadda yadda :(


Are these loggers capturing every bit of contact to the helmet and registering it as a blow to the head. For instance a player puts his helmet on and then raps himself on the helmet any number of times or throws his helmet on the ground in frustration or head butts a teammate after a play?
 
2014-01-14 08:10:54 PM

coffeeplease: Are these loggers capturing every bit of contact to the helmet and registering it as a blow to the head. For instance a player puts his helmet on and then raps himself on the helmet any number of times or throws his helmet on the ground in frustration or head butts a teammate after a play?


My favorite (least favorite) is when a QB's helmet gets grazed by a defender for a 15-yard penalty...then his teammates come over and celebrate by hitting the QB helmet-to-helmet harder than the penalty was called for.

/wait, it's not my least favorite. My least favorite is when one team trash talks with a headbutt and gets penalized, then the opponent does it later in the same game and doesn't get flagged.
 
2014-01-14 08:26:36 PM
I assume the judge got a personal foul flag for sacking the suit in the head and neck area.
 
2014-01-14 08:51:30 PM

IAmRight: coffeeplease: Are these loggers capturing every bit of contact to the helmet and registering it as a blow to the head. For instance a player puts his helmet on and then raps himself on the helmet any number of times or throws his helmet on the ground in frustration or head butts a teammate after a play?

My favorite (least favorite) is when a QB's helmet gets grazed by a defender for a 15-yard penalty...then his teammates come over and celebrate by hitting the QB helmet-to-helmet harder than the penalty was called for.

/wait, it's not my least favorite. My least favorite is when one team trash talks with a headbutt and gets penalized, then the opponent does it later in the same game and doesn't get flagged.


It's not the 9ers fault that Carolina couldn't sell the penalty like they could

/football is turning more and more in to football
 
2014-01-14 08:52:25 PM

BalugaJoe: They didnt know playing football was dangerous? Give me a break.


everybody knew the physical risks, they didn't know the long-term brain damage risks
 
2014-01-14 08:55:48 PM
Doogles,

I have not seen the Frontline report on this so I cannot comment one way or the other on the veracity of their claims.  If you notice by my initial statement, I do not think the NFL is a victim in this situation at all.  I do think the NFL and the player's union did not do nearly enough to take care of the former players.  As bad as the concussion issue is, I would be willing to bet it pales in comparison to the magnitude of other life-long physical ailments many players suffer after they end their careers (if not for the injuries that ended careers).
 
2014-01-14 08:59:12 PM

coffeeplease: ISO15693: As someone working on the new generation of data-streaming/logging NFL helmets with wireless accelerometers, I am getting a kick out of this.

/So far, however, they have nixed my idea of the networks overlaying "health bars" on the players during games. Something about player confidentiality and potential for misuse of the information by opposing teams, yadda yadda :(

Are these loggers capturing every bit of contact to the helmet and registering it as a blow to the head. For instance a player puts his helmet on and then raps himself on the helmet any number of times or throws his helmet on the ground in frustration or head butts a teammate after a play?


Yeah. The loggers last for a month or so between charges. They log everything, including practices. Repeated self blows to the head would be counted. Players will learn that throwing the helmet on the ground may trigger a red flag, so they will learn not to do that.

The coaches can see who has taken what sorts of hits in real time. But we have to make sure the data is secure.. soon we will have people trying to hack other teams during the game, trying to make an opposing player look like he needs to be taken out. Its actually a quite complex system. It is funded by a group of ex nfl-ers. The same technology exists for the army, although they really don't use it yet (too complicated for them, apparently)
 
2014-01-14 09:03:08 PM
Is this the worst PR year for the NFL ever? Honestly, it's just been headline after headline that's made Roger Goodell tear his hair out.
 
2014-01-14 09:30:18 PM
Why is the NFL bearing the brunt of this? These players having been smashing into each other full speed since Pop Warner. Every organized football league is to blame, and should share in the financial pain.
 
2014-01-14 09:58:59 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/average-12-school-footba l l-players-die-year-study-article-1.1309671

1) everyone KNOWS that this game kills
2) parents that let this kids play this should be charged with neglect
3) HOW the FARK do schools still have this sport? You would think that the lawsuits would have ended the sport already.
4) we have the tech to put a shock detector in the helmets, like the ones on shipping crates ... your goes off? you are out for the season. TADA.

so clearly the league is in favor of making money on the backs of dead people
nothing new
 
2014-01-14 10:08:42 PM

DubyaHater: Why is the NFL bearing the brunt of this? These players having been smashing into each other full speed since Pop Warner. Every organized football league is to blame, and should share in the financial pain.


What are you talking about? The NFL is the only one with money.

Surely you can't expect institutes of higher education with their non-paid student athletes pay. Pay from what? By the lawd, they're just havin' fun out there, and the budget's from a band bake sale last weekend, honest!!1!
 
2014-01-14 10:09:00 PM

DubyaHater: Why is the NFL bearing the brunt of this? These players having been smashing into each other full speed since Pop Warner. Every organized football league is to blame, and should share in the financial pain.


You target the one that has the money.  Pop Warner doesn't have money, HS leagues and sanctioning organizations don't have cash, the NCAA has a little, but it is the NFL that has all the money.  You start there and work your way down.  Also, how can one prove that the concussion that little junior Seau got at age 11 was the cause of him going nuts and killing himself compared with the dozen years of hard contact he had day to day and week to week as an NFL athlete.  It is much easier and more lucrative to point your lawsuit at the biggest pockets and the one responsible for the bulk of the contact for these former NFL players.
 
2014-01-14 10:10:38 PM

ISO15693: coffeeplease: ISO15693: As someone working on the new generation of data-streaming/logging NFL helmets with wireless accelerometers, I am getting a kick out of this.

/So far, however, they have nixed my idea of the networks overlaying "health bars" on the players during games. Something about player confidentiality and potential for misuse of the information by opposing teams, yadda yadda :(

Are these loggers capturing every bit of contact to the helmet and registering it as a blow to the head. For instance a player puts his helmet on and then raps himself on the helmet any number of times or throws his helmet on the ground in frustration or head butts a teammate after a play?

Yeah. The loggers last for a month or so between charges. They log everything, including practices. Repeated self blows to the head would be counted. Players will learn that throwing the helmet on the ground may trigger a red flag, so they will learn not to do that.

The coaches can see who has taken what sorts of hits in real time. But we have to make sure the data is secure.. soon we will have people trying to hack other teams during the game, trying to make an opposing player look like he needs to be taken out. Its actually a quite complex system. It is funded by a group of ex nfl-ers. The same technology exists for the army, although they really don't use it yet (too complicated for them, apparently)


It is fairly common for injury technology to first be used in professional sports leagues, where they develop the techniques until the cost goes down, at which point it spreads to the general population.
 
2014-01-14 10:21:11 PM

Neeek: ISO15693: coffeeplease: ISO15693: As someone working on the new generation of data-streaming/logging NFL helmets with wireless accelerometers, I am getting a kick out of this.

/So far, however, they have nixed my idea of the networks overlaying "health bars" on the players during games. Something about player confidentiality and potential for misuse of the information by opposing teams, yadda yadda :(

Are these loggers capturing every bit of contact to the helmet and registering it as a blow to the head. For instance a player puts his helmet on and then raps himself on the helmet any number of times or throws his helmet on the ground in frustration or head butts a teammate after a play?

Yeah. The loggers last for a month or so between charges. They log everything, including practices. Repeated self blows to the head would be counted. Players will learn that throwing the helmet on the ground may trigger a red flag, so they will learn not to do that.

The coaches can see who has taken what sorts of hits in real time. But we have to make sure the data is secure.. soon we will have people trying to hack other teams during the game, trying to make an opposing player look like he needs to be taken out. Its actually a quite complex system. It is funded by a group of ex nfl-ers. The same technology exists for the army, although they really don't use it yet (too complicated for them, apparently)

It is fairly common for injury technology to first be used in professional sports leagues, where they develop the techniques until the cost goes down, at which point it spreads to the general population.


I heard some chatter about this sort of shock detector being used in youth hockey, though I think it was just in the theoretical "maybe we should put sensors in the helmets" kind of talk rather than serious planning. I think the technology is *awesome* and can be very valuable, but there are definitely some kinks to iron out.

/Have had three game reports for head injuries this year
//One in a mite game
 
2014-01-14 10:24:37 PM
It should be double that. The NFL has been making tax free money hand over fist for years. fark them.
 
2014-01-15 12:02:00 AM
This is my complete lack of surprise.

The value of the settlement was always too low. The amount of money the lawyers were to get was always too high compared to the value of the settlement. The settlement was doomed from the start. And now I'm reading one of the supporting lawyers (so not either of the main guys) would actually recommend to a large number of players that they opt out of the settlement and continue suing the NFL because they wouldn't get a damn thing out of the deal otherwise.

This settlement will never be approved by either the players or the judge and it shouldn't be.
 
2014-01-15 12:14:48 AM
My 13-year-old nephew just had me watch YouTube this video: Sports Science: Ray Lewis vs. Battering Ram. Puts in perspective how much force can be generated by a human body.
 
2014-01-15 01:22:04 AM
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