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(Wall Street Journal)   For the first time in history, a US Nationals figure skating medal winner is left off Olympic team, replaced instead by skater she beat, who just happens to be a blond-haired, blue-eyed, camera-friendly "golden girl" (who wasn't even born in the US)   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 124
    More: Asinine, Mirai Nagasu, Winter Olympics, Washington Nationals, Ashley Wagner, Nagasu, Nancy Kerrigan, Kristi Yamaguchi, Michelle Kwan  
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2014-01-14 10:20:15 PM  
Look, if Miguel Cabrera goes 0-4 the same day Chris Colabello hits two homers, does that mean you pick Chris Colabello for your Olympic team instead?  Based on their performance that one day?

But, it does appear Ashley Wagner shiats the bed under pressure, so I have no doubt she will be a disaster in Sochi.
 
2014-01-14 10:24:24 PM  
Wrong tab. Figure skating is not a sport.
 
2014-01-14 10:26:22 PM  

Delay: Wrong tab. Figure skating is not a sport.


Athletic competition so this tab will have to do.
 
2014-01-14 10:27:47 PM  

Gunny Highway: Delay: Wrong tab. Figure skating is not a sport.

Athletic competition so this tab will have to do.


How about the Politics tab where it belongs?
 
2014-01-14 10:28:50 PM  

Delay: Gunny Highway: Delay: Wrong tab. Figure skating is not a sport.

Athletic competition so this tab will have to do.

How about the Politics tab where it belongs?


Wakka wakka.
 
2014-01-14 10:30:25 PM  

Gunny Highway: Delay: Gunny Highway: Delay: Wrong tab. Figure skating is not a sport.

Athletic competition so this tab will have to do.

How about the Politics tab where it belongs?

Wakka wakka.


I beg your pardon, what does that mean?
 
2014-01-14 10:31:40 PM  

Delay: Gunny Highway: Delay: Gunny Highway: Delay: Wrong tab. Figure skating is not a sport.

Athletic competition so this tab will have to do.

How about the Politics tab where it belongs?

Wakka wakka.

I beg your pardon, what does that mean?


It is Russian for "The fix is in"
 
2014-01-14 10:33:55 PM  

JPINFV: Anderson's Pooper: Gunny Highway: Figure skating is an athletic competition. You may not like how they determine the winner but that is okay because there are 1,000 other sports you can watch.

Not unless you've got access to something other than NBC coverage.  US Olympic coverage will be 50% talking about skating, 40% actual skating with some skiing and the men's hockey gold medal game thrown in for good measure.  We'll get highlights of the women's hockey gold medal game during the second intermission of the men's game.

There was a fair amount of curling 4 years ago, and the women's curling teams involve actual women... not 15 year olds who learned how to spin with daddy's money.

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Mostly SFW, but there's a nipple in at least one shot:

oglympics.com
 
2014-01-14 10:36:43 PM  
More curling goodness:

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2014-01-14 10:42:26 PM  

ClavellBCMI: dittybopper: Quasar: I visited my folks this weekend and they were watching the competition. Wagner got fourth, yes, but she was also champion the last two years and has performed well internationally, so they thought she'd give the US a better shot. As stated before, this isn't the first time. The racial/conspiracy thing is silly.

Ugh I know way too much about figure skating after that. Though that Cesario chick had a much better routine (better music, more flair, actually worked with the music, no mistakes) and scored less on the free skate than any of the top 4 so maybe it is rigged.

See, here is the thing that gets me about Olympic sports that are judged:  They aren't truly objective.

Skier comes in a quarter second faster than anyone else, well, you know the're the winner.  Skater crosses the line before everyone else, they're the winner.  Team scores more goals than the other one, they're  the winner.

It's objective.  You can measure it by some quantity, whether it be distance, time, goals, or even just against the other athletes in a head-to-head competition (I *LOVE* snowboardcross).

With stuff like figure skating, though, because all the scores depend on judges, there is always the distinct possibility of favorites, or even outright skullduggery.

And with a lot of countries, it isn't how well you did at one national tournament, it's how well you did the entire previous year against not only national opponents, but international opponents at your alleged level of skill, that determines who makes the national Olympic team and who does not. For once, the US ignored one single tournament to select their Olympic team for one particular sport. Which might mean the US actually sent the better competitor to the Olympics.


But we've never done it that way here, until now.

So either  we're  advancing without the US figure skating community bothering to tell anybody or the Asian girl got jobbed because (in no particular order): She's Asian, she and her parents don't really play the game with the powers that be in whatever passes for a sanctioning body in US figure skating, and NBC and the media machine hasn't managed to craft a narrative around her.

So at the end of the day she's farked because she beat the pretty white girl who plays the game.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et0Bssnm1mw
 
2014-01-14 10:48:24 PM  

MFAWG: ClavellBCMI: dittybopper: Quasar: I visited my folks this weekend and they were watching the competition. Wagner got fourth, yes, but she was also champion the last two years and has performed well internationally, so they thought she'd give the US a better shot. As stated before, this isn't the first time. The racial/conspiracy thing is silly.

Ugh I know way too much about figure skating after that. Though that Cesario chick had a much better routine (better music, more flair, actually worked with the music, no mistakes) and scored less on the free skate than any of the top 4 so maybe it is rigged.

See, here is the thing that gets me about Olympic sports that are judged:  They aren't truly objective.

Skier comes in a quarter second faster than anyone else, well, you know the're the winner.  Skater crosses the line before everyone else, they're the winner.  Team scores more goals than the other one, they're  the winner.

It's objective.  You can measure it by some quantity, whether it be distance, time, goals, or even just against the other athletes in a head-to-head competition (I *LOVE* snowboardcross).

With stuff like figure skating, though, because all the scores depend on judges, there is always the distinct possibility of favorites, or even outright skullduggery.

And with a lot of countries, it isn't how well you did at one national tournament, it's how well you did the entire previous year against not only national opponents, but international opponents at your alleged level of skill, that determines who makes the national Olympic team and who does not. For once, the US ignored one single tournament to select their Olympic team for one particular sport. Which might mean the US actually sent the better competitor to the Olympics.

But we've never done it that way here, until now.

So either  we're  advancing without the US figure skating community bothering to tell anybody or the Asian girl got jobbed because (in no particular order): She's Asian, she and ...


The figure skating fans in here are saying that isnt the case. Someone said they could have done this many times.  This happens to be the first time.

Do we need to insert narrative into every sports story?

Which one of these girls do you think is elite?  How do you think they stack up pound for pound in the Best Ever question?
 
2014-01-14 11:00:48 PM  

Gunny Highway: MFAWG: ClavellBCMI: dittybopper: Quasar: I visited my folks this weekend and they were watching the competition. Wagner got fourth, yes, but she was also champion the last two years and has performed well internationally, so they thought she'd give the US a better shot. As stated before, this isn't the first time. The racial/conspiracy thing is silly.

Ugh I know way too much about figure skating after that. Though that Cesario chick had a much better routine (better music, more flair, actually worked with the music, no mistakes) and scored less on the free skate than any of the top 4 so maybe it is rigged.

See, here is the thing that gets me about Olympic sports that are judged:  They aren't truly objective.

Skier comes in a quarter second faster than anyone else, well, you know the're the winner.  Skater crosses the line before everyone else, they're the winner.  Team scores more goals than the other one, they're  the winner.

It's objective.  You can measure it by some quantity, whether it be distance, time, goals, or even just against the other athletes in a head-to-head competition (I *LOVE* snowboardcross).

With stuff like figure skating, though, because all the scores depend on judges, there is always the distinct possibility of favorites, or even outright skullduggery.

And with a lot of countries, it isn't how well you did at one national tournament, it's how well you did the entire previous year against not only national opponents, but international opponents at your alleged level of skill, that determines who makes the national Olympic team and who does not. For once, the US ignored one single tournament to select their Olympic team for one particular sport. Which might mean the US actually sent the better competitor to the Olympics.

But we've never done it that way here, until now.

So either  we're  advancing without the US figure skating community bothering to tell anybody or the Asian girl got jobbed because (in no particular order): She's Asian, ...


I know which one would have objectively made the team every Olympics except this one in the absence of injury to a competitor that placed higher, and quite honestly that's all I really need to know.
 
2014-01-14 11:04:09 PM  

mcmnky: Let's see if we can save this thread.

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I had the fortune of meeting Katarina in the 90's. She is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. The cameras don't do her justice!
 
2014-01-14 11:18:44 PM  

MFAWG: I know which one would have objectively made the team every Olympics except this one in the absence of injury to a competitor that placed higher, and quite honestly that's all I really need to know.


That is a bit too nefarious for my taste.
 
2014-01-14 11:34:56 PM  

Gunny Highway: MFAWG: I know which one would have objectively made the team every Olympics except this one in the absence of injury to a competitor that placed higher, and quite honestly that's all I really need to know.

That is a bit too nefarious for my taste.


I think you're just playing the victim.

I don't really think race is the issue. I think the issue is that Ms. Wagner kisses the right asses and Ms. Nagasu was stupid enough to believe that the playing field would be level at some point..
 
2014-01-15 12:13:05 AM  

JohnBigBootay: That's the thing though isn't it? She fell. At the competition that (almost always) decides who makes the team. Anyone want to bet she falls at the olympics too?


I dont think she will. Unlike Boston which had crappy ice (really crappy ice) for the US championships they will most likely have excellent ice in Sochi for the Olympics.
 
2014-01-15 12:55:23 AM  

Mikey1969: Buried in the article:

The skating federation pointed to Nagasu's spotty record over the past 12 months, and to Wagner's higher overall standing in global rankings.

Bonus: I'm pretty sure we've had foreign born Olympic athletes before.


yeah.  the white girl was born in Germany.  the asian girl was born in California.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:12 AM  
The thing about us Asians is we can never complain about being discriminated against because the level of racism is lower.  We get called out as whiners, as race-baiters.  Meanwhile, people feel entitled to come up to us and chant "ching-chong" to our faces. We get asked where we're from, and when we say the US, the only reaction is incredulity and the follow up question "where are you really from?"  The racism is less apparent, but it's there, and it's accepted.

If the skater was black, would anyone be calling out the writer for drawing the race card?

/American beats Kwan
 
2014-01-15 10:43:46 AM  
So they took the girl who's won multiple championships since the last Olympics but had 1 bad outing in the last performance over the girl who hasn't won anything since the last Olympics?

Obviously it's because of the races of the two.
 
2014-01-15 11:07:58 AM  

Ishkur: Who the hell remembers Oksana Baiul?


Anyone who knows anything about figure skating.
 
2014-01-15 11:15:02 AM  
clearly, the 'blond' gave up her ass to the selection committee, who are clearly fond of masculine freaky types.


/ nazis ...
 
2014-01-15 12:04:10 PM  
Sorry, I didn't think this was a competition to for who we'd most like to see naked oil wrestling with the other figure skaters.  As compelling as that competition would be, that's not what they'll be judged on in the Olympics.  I want the best athletes representing the country....if they're attractive, it's a bonus...but the best in their sport.

That being said, I'm not a fan of figure-skating.  I can appreciate their dedication and athleticism, but hockey (men and women's) are more compelling.

The only reasons I'd watch figure-skating:

1.  Force to watch by the significant other
2.  Hope for a spectacular fall
3.  Straining to see some camel toe.
 
2014-01-15 12:06:25 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: So they took the girl who's won multiple championships since the last Olympics but had 1 bad outing in the last performance over the girl who hasn't won anything since the last Olympics?

Obviously it's because of the races of the two.


Exactly.  Racism against Asian Americans does exist, and it probably hasn't been completely eradicated from figure skating, but the racial dynamics of elite figure skating are NOT the same as those of society at large.  This is a sport where the vast majority of top singles skaters in the world are of Asian descent, and Michelle Kwan is the most beloved athlete in recent memory (certainly more so than any of the white girls who beat her).  Asian countries are probably the best market for figure skating in the world right now, and I don't doubt that U.S. Figure Skating is aware of that.  Many Asian-American skaters have been very popular in Asian countries.  Nobody on the selection committee would have been dumb enough to consider Nagasu's race a negative factor when they were making that decision, because in figure skating, it's not.

Nagasu beat Wagner by eight points at nationals.  Wagner's scores on the Grand Prix this season were 193.81 and 194.37; Nagasu's scores were 141.71 and 175.37.  Wagner qualified for the Grand Prix Final and won a bronze with a 187.61; Nagasu's other international event this season was the B-list Finlandia Trophy, where she put up a 164.51 and finished out of the medals.  That's just the current season.  Aside from this U.S. Championships, in the past twelve months, the WORST score Wagner posted was 187.34, while the BEST score Nagasu posted was 175.37.

The idea that there's no case to be made for Wagner here, so it must be racism, is absurd.  This one event is literally the only point in Nagasu's column.  Every other criteria they could possibly have considered, favored Wagner.

U.S. Figure Skating has maintained for years that nationals is NOT the Olympic trials (I'm fuzzy on the reasons, but I think they don't want to pay the IOC to use the word "Olympics"?).  If they'd put Nagasu on the team just because she placed higher at that one competition, they'd be demonstrating exactly the opposite.
 
2014-01-15 01:57:18 PM  

mikaloyd: JohnBigBootay: That's the thing though isn't it? She fell. At the competition that (almost always) decides who makes the team. Anyone want to bet she falls at the olympics too?

I dont think she will. Unlike Boston which had crappy ice (really crappy ice) for the US championships they will most likely have excellent ice in Sochi for the Olympics.


The competition is already recorded; NBC is just writing the narrative to go along with it. She won gold, so they had to let her in.
 
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