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(Wall Street Journal)   For the first time in history, a US Nationals figure skating medal winner is left off Olympic team, replaced instead by skater she beat, who just happens to be a blond-haired, blue-eyed, camera-friendly "golden girl" (who wasn't even born in the US)   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 124
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2014-01-14 05:20:16 PM  

FormlessOne: Meanwhile, skating events will be narrated by Nancy Kerrigan, while Oksana Baiul continues to be screwed by the folks showing the event. You remember Oksana, right? The woman who actually won the gold medal in the event in which Nancy Kerrigan (and Tonya Harding) participated? Yeah.

It's one thing to watch media outlets screw folks for fun. It's quite another to watch countries do it.


I'm so confused.  Oksana is Ukranian, why are you mad that people have chosen an American over a Ukranian to participate in American coverage of the Olympics?
 
2014-01-14 05:20:30 PM  

timujin: Doesn't do it for you?


oh lord...oh lord.

And there is one of her in a little black dress.. oh lord.


Yeah, she doesn't look good with stage makeup on, but who does? That stuff is applied with a trawl so people in the back row can see it.
 
2014-01-14 05:21:37 PM  

stevie1der: FormlessOne: Meanwhile, skating events will be narrated by Nancy Kerrigan, while Oksana Baiul continues to be screwed by the folks showing the event. You remember Oksana, right? The woman who actually won the gold medal in the event in which Nancy Kerrigan (and Tonya Harding) participated? Yeah.

It's one thing to watch media outlets screw folks for fun. It's quite another to watch countries do it.

I'm so confused.  Oksana is Ukranian, why are you mad that people have chosen an American over a Ukranian to participate in American coverage of the Olympics?


Because he has to have OUTRAGE!
 
2014-01-14 05:23:46 PM  

timujin: Three Crooked Squirrels: I don't think she's blond.  And not to be studman69 over here, but if that girl's looks swayed the committee, they are exceedingly easy to sway.

Doesn't do it for you?
[www.trbimg.com image 600x570]


Works for me!
 
2014-01-14 05:24:08 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Keep in mind that the girl who finished 4th fell twice during her routine. Had she not done that

...

That's the thing though isn't it? She fell. At the competition that (almost always) decides who makes the team. Anyone want to bet she falls at the olympics too?
 
2014-01-14 05:29:51 PM  

mactheknife: [www.tonyaharding.com image 500x625]

Knows a few people who could "fix" this...


Wouldn't you love to watch Tonya lumber about the ice, right now?  Get the fainting couch for Dick Button.
 
2014-01-14 05:30:18 PM  
Sonmi-451
 
2014-01-14 05:32:37 PM  
Buried in the article:

The skating federation pointed to Nagasu's spotty record over the past 12 months, and to Wagner's higher overall standing in global rankings.

Bonus: I'm pretty sure we've had foreign born Olympic athletes before.
 
2014-01-14 05:39:59 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: I was about to get all outraged, but then I read the girls finished 3rd and 4th, right next to each other.  It isn't like they picked a girl who finished 10th over the gold medal winner.  Keep in mind that the girl who finished 4th fell twice during her routine.  Had she not done that, she probably would have won the gold.  It is the coachs' job to put together the best team.  I am guessing they felt that despite the fact Nagasu finished one spot better than blondie, blondie was actually the better skater and gave them a better chance of medaling in Sochi.

So I doubt there is really bias against Asian skaters in U.S. figure skating.  I seem to remember Kristy Yamaguchi being the darling of the sport a while back.


even "cute" michelle kwan was given the darling treatment after she did well in the Olympics.

America, where we really don't care about the race of our athletes...unless you are a minority and don't get on a team...then America is full of racists.
 
2014-01-14 05:49:17 PM  

WhyKnot: Pumpernickel bread: I was about to get all outraged, but then I read the girls finished 3rd and 4th, right next to each other.  It isn't like they picked a girl who finished 10th over the gold medal winner.  Keep in mind that the girl who finished 4th fell twice during her routine.  Had she not done that, she probably would have won the gold.  It is the coachs' job to put together the best team.  I am guessing they felt that despite the fact Nagasu finished one spot better than blondie, blondie was actually the better skater and gave them a better chance of medaling in Sochi.

So I doubt there is really bias against Asian skaters in U.S. figure skating.  I seem to remember Kristy Yamaguchi being the darling of the sport a while back.

even "cute" michelle kwan was given the darling treatment after she did well in the Olympics.

America, where we really don't care about the race of our winning athletes...unless you are a minority and don't get on a team let that win go to your head and start getting all uppity...then America is full of racists.


I wouldn't be surprised if there is a resentment of Asian skaters in women's figure skating. I don't know if it played a role here, but it is pretty shiatty to be bumped and replaced by the person you beat because people think it would make better viewing to have the other person. That would be like if the Patriots beat the Broncos, but the NFL decided to send the Broncos to the Super Bowl instead because they had the better season and it would make for better viewing and a better storyline to have them in the Super Bowl.
 
2014-01-14 05:57:58 PM  
Wow...no "ARE YOU NOT SPORTS ENTERTAINED?" pic? Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2014-01-14 05:59:57 PM  
Let's see if we can save this thread.

iv1.lisimg.com
 
2014-01-14 06:01:34 PM  
The writer seems to know a lot about race-baiting but doesn't give us any reason to believe he knows a lot about figure skating.  Where's the side-by-side comparison of each skater's strengths and weaknesses?

I agree that the safe bet would have been to just follow the Nationals rankings, and that it's generally a terrible idea not to make the Nationals matter (why bother with them at all?).  But if you have a system in which the stated policy is that placement at Nationals is NOT THE ONLY factor involved, then obviously other factors must be looked at.  Perhaps the 4th place finisher has a higher ceiling (better jumps, higher degree of difficulty) and they're rolling the dice hoping for a gold instead of 5th place at the Olympics.
 
2014-01-14 06:19:09 PM  
Is there anything that says Olympic events have to be "sports?"

Figure skating is an athletic competition.  You may not like how they determine the winner but that is okay because there are 1,000 other sports you can watch.
 
2014-01-14 06:22:04 PM  

mcmnky: Let's see if we can save this thread.


Needs moar Michelle Kwan.
 
2014-01-14 06:27:06 PM  
I'm just not sure why you even have Nationals if it doesn't matter how you finish.

Aren't all other Olympic qualifying/national events a case of "sure, you're No. 1 in the world, but you didn't qualify at this event, so too bad, so sad."? I have hazy recollections of similar things happening in Summer Olympics events...but I may be off my rocker and even I don't care enough to actually look it up.
 
2014-01-14 06:31:37 PM  

IAmRight: I'm just not sure why you even have Nationals if it doesn't matter how you finish.

Aren't all other Olympic qualifying/national events a case of "sure, you're No. 1 in the world, but you didn't qualify at this event, so too bad, so sad."? I have hazy recollections of similar things happening in Summer Olympics events...but I may be off my rocker and even I don't care enough to actually look it up.


Dan and Dave. Rebook took a bath on that one.

But yeah, why even have the nationals if you are going to change any result you don't like.
 
2014-01-14 06:35:12 PM  

EyeballKid: PowerSlacker: Subjectively scored events aren't sports.

So, the BCS kept college football from being a sport?


Yes

/subjectively scored events are beauty pageants
 
2014-01-14 07:04:06 PM  
Mirai Nagasu was robbed.  Hope the blond "American BS sweetheart" falls on her ass and wins NOTHING.  This is bullshiat.
 
2014-01-14 07:06:41 PM  

Mi-5: Mirai Nagasu was robbed.  Hope the blond "American BS sweetheart" falls on her ass and wins NOTHING.  This is bullshiat.


Are you a figure skating fan?
 
2014-01-14 07:11:04 PM  

timujin: Three Crooked Squirrels: I don't think she's blond.  And not to be studman69 over here, but if that girl's looks swayed the committee, they are exceedingly easy to sway.

Doesn't do it for you?
[www.trbimg.com image 600x570]


Don't stick your dick in the crazy.
 
2014-01-14 07:12:25 PM  

mactheknife: [www.tonyaharding.com image 500x625]

Knows a few people who could "fix" this...


See what a few years in a trailer park and a steady diet of Hotpockets and Boones Farm Strawberry Hill can do?
 
2014-01-14 07:39:51 PM  
WhyKnot:

even "cute" michelle kwan was given the darling treatment after she did well in the Olympics.

I guess we've forgotten about the "American Beats Kwan" headline that went out. Even referenced/linked in the article.

Why have the Nationals if we're going to ignore the results? Just have a poll and then select the top skaters from that. She fell? Too farking bad. Dems the breaks, don't fall next time. Because they're certainly not going to hand you the medal when you fall in the Olympics and your rivals don't.

/remembers the retarded comments about the Japs winning when Kristi Yamaguchi won the gold. She's an American, dumbasses. Just as American as anyone who was born and grew up in the US is.
 
2014-01-14 07:42:41 PM  
As I said in the other thread:

Figure Skating isn't about being the best, it's about being the best looking.

This girl was selected because she's the one who has the best chance at parleying a post-skating career into something important like television or media. Maybe even an acting career. Because she's easy on the eyes.

What do Michelle Kwan, Nancy Kerrigan and Sasha Cohen all have in common? They all still have healthy careers. They also never won.

What do Sarah Hughes, Kristi Yamaguchi and Tara Lipinski have in common? ....They're all in the "where are they now" bin. They also won gold medals.

If you're a figure skater and you hope to turn your success into a rewarding life of media attention and personal profit, you gotta be attractive, and you gotta be not unattractive.

/also known as the Anna Kournikova career path
//just like holding Ace-King: looks good but doesn't win anything
 
2014-01-14 07:52:11 PM  

Gunny Highway: Figure skating is an athletic competition. You may not like how they determine the winner but that is okay because there are 1,000 other sports you can watch.


Not unless you've got access to something other than NBC coverage.  US Olympic coverage will be 50% talking about skating, 40% actual skating with some skiing and the men's hockey gold medal game thrown in for good measure.  We'll get highlights of the women's hockey gold medal game during the second intermission of the men's game.
 
2014-01-14 08:12:35 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Gunny Highway: Figure skating is an athletic competition. You may not like how they determine the winner but that is okay because there are 1,000 other sports you can watch.

Not unless you've got access to something other than NBC coverage.  US Olympic coverage will be 50% talking about skating, 40% actual skating with some skiing and the men's hockey gold medal game thrown in for good measure.  We'll get highlights of the women's hockey gold medal game during the second intermission of the men's game.


They do have the announcer who does F1 and Indycar slated to announce bobsled, luge and skeleton. Dude gets EXCITED, like Mexican soccer excited, so I'm optimistic about that.
 
2014-01-14 08:16:58 PM  

dittybopper: Quasar: I visited my folks this weekend and they were watching the competition. Wagner got fourth, yes, but she was also champion the last two years and has performed well internationally, so they thought she'd give the US a better shot. As stated before, this isn't the first time. The racial/conspiracy thing is silly.

Ugh I know way too much about figure skating after that. Though that Cesario chick had a much better routine (better music, more flair, actually worked with the music, no mistakes) and scored less on the free skate than any of the top 4 so maybe it is rigged.

See, here is the thing that gets me about Olympic sports that are judged:  They aren't truly objective.

Skier comes in a quarter second faster than anyone else, well, you know the're the winner.  Skater crosses the line before everyone else, they're the winner.  Team scores more goals than the other one, they're  the winner.

It's objective.  You can measure it by some quantity, whether it be distance, time, goals, or even just against the other athletes in a head-to-head competition (I *LOVE* snowboardcross).

With stuff like figure skating, though, because all the scores depend on judges, there is always the distinct possibility of favorites, or even outright skullduggery.


And with a lot of countries, it isn't how well you did at one national tournament, it's how well you did the entire previous year against not only national opponents, but international opponents at your alleged level of skill, that determines who makes the national Olympic team and who does not. For once, the US ignored one single tournament to select their Olympic team for one particular sport. Which might mean the US actually sent the better competitor to the Olympics.
 
2014-01-14 08:21:13 PM  

crotchgrabber: Anderson's Pooper: Gunny Highway: Figure skating is an athletic competition. You may not like how they determine the winner but that is okay because there are 1,000 other sports you can watch.

Not unless you've got access to something other than NBC coverage.  US Olympic coverage will be 50% talking about skating, 40% actual skating with some skiing and the men's hockey gold medal game thrown in for good measure.  We'll get highlights of the women's hockey gold medal game during the second intermission of the men's game.

They do have the announcer who does F1 and Indycar slated to announce bobsled, luge and skeleton. Dude gets EXCITED, like Mexican soccer excited, so I'm optimistic about that.


Oh, and we will also see the speed skating competition, because the US actually stands a chance of actually getting a medal or three in speed skating. Ski jumping and biathalon will be relegated to 2 AM EST on CNBC. But we will also see some of the Skiing events, because possible risk of massive injury when someone goes off-course.
 
2014-01-14 08:27:21 PM  

Cybernetic: Why does every stinking journalist with access to a keyboard feel the need use "polar vortex" in whatever they write?

/Yes, it grates on my nerves.


Polar Vortex, Polar Vortex, DAMMIT, Polar Vortex!!!

/ducks
//runs away
///slashies come in threes
 
2014-01-14 08:34:32 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Gunny Highway: Figure skating is an athletic competition. You may not like how they determine the winner but that is okay because there are 1,000 other sports you can watch.

Not unless you've got access to something other than NBC coverage.  US Olympic coverage will be 50% talking about skating, 40% actual skating with some skiing and the men's hockey gold medal game thrown in for good measure.  We'll get highlights of the women's hockey gold medal game during the second intermission of the men's game.


There was a fair amount of curling 4 years ago, and the women's curling teams involve actual women... not 15 year olds who learned how to spin with daddy's money.

i.telegraph.co.uk

www.theepochtimes.com
 
2014-01-14 08:36:04 PM  

Ishkur: As I said in the other thread:

Figure Skating isn't about being the best, it's about being the best looking.

This girl was selected because she's the one who has the best chance at parleying a post-skating career into something important like television or media. Maybe even an acting career. Because she's easy on the eyes.

What do Michelle Kwan, Nancy Kerrigan and Sasha Cohen all have in common? They all still have healthy careers. They also never won.

What do Sarah Hughes, Kristi Yamaguchi and Tara Lipinski have in common? ....They're all in the "where are they now" bin. They also won gold medals.

If you're a figure skater and you hope to turn your success into a rewarding life of media attention and personal profit, you gotta be attractive, and you gotta be not unattractive.

/also known as the Anna Kournikova career path
//just like holding Ace-King: looks good but doesn't win anything


So the committee that selected the competitors didn't want to win and instead wanted to help the white girl get her career going?

Going to have to disagree.

It seems rather clear they decided to over look one competition and instead send the stronger competitor at the international level.
 
2014-01-14 08:37:56 PM  

JPINFV: Anderson's Pooper: Gunny Highway: Figure skating is an athletic competition. You may not like how they determine the winner but that is okay because there are 1,000 other sports you can watch.

Not unless you've got access to something other than NBC coverage.  US Olympic coverage will be 50% talking about skating, 40% actual skating with some skiing and the men's hockey gold medal game thrown in for good measure.  We'll get highlights of the women's hockey gold medal game during the second intermission of the men's game.


Aren't there 5 or 6 NBC channels that show all sorts of events around the clock? Can't you watch almost anything on MBC's website?
 
2014-01-14 08:44:53 PM  
In an attempt to upstage the queen, will Putin skydive in with the collected members of SPECTRE?
 
2014-01-14 08:50:37 PM  

WhyKnot: So the committee that selected the competitors didn't want to win and instead wanted to help the white girl get her career going?


No, you're conflating two different arguments here. My argument is that she will go further in her career without winning because she doesn't have to. The winner of the event rarely becomes the most successful. Who the hell remembers Oksana Baiul?

Your argument is actually something different: They selected her because it's better for ratings. Americans will tune in to watch a pretty white girl compete far more than any other athlete. Look at all the attention Lindsey Vonn gets and she's not even racing this year.
 
2014-01-14 09:08:40 PM  
I just saw an NBC Sochi commercial. They must not have gotten the memo
 
2014-01-14 09:09:05 PM  
Keep in mind, this is a "sport" where make-up is mandatory and judges tell us who wins.
 
2014-01-14 09:11:00 PM  

Dear Jerk: Keep in mind, this is a "sport" where make-up is mandatory and judges tell us who wins.


That doesnt mean we wont complain about it.  We have read three articles about this story after all.
 
2014-01-14 09:11:38 PM  

Ishkur: WhyKnot: So the committee that selected the competitors didn't want to win and instead wanted to help the white girl get her career going?

No, you're conflating two different arguments here. My argument is that she will go further in her career without winning because she doesn't have to. The winner of the event rarely becomes the most successful. Who the hell remembers Oksana Baiul?

Your argument is actually something different: They selected her because it's better for ratings. Americans will tune in to watch a pretty white girl compete far more than any other athlete. Look at all the attention Lindsey Vonn gets and she's not even racing this year.


I thought Americans like winners.
 
2014-01-14 09:18:58 PM  

Gunny Highway: I thought Americans like winners.


Americans like people who look like winners more than actual winners.
 
2014-01-14 09:21:03 PM  

mactheknife: [www.tonyaharding.com image 500x625]

Knows a few people who could "fix" this...


One of the more amazing things about Tonya is that, for as much of a white trash biatch she became, she never got tats.
 
2014-01-14 09:24:18 PM  
To be fair, Montebello, CA, isn't really part of the USA.
 
2014-01-14 09:26:55 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Gunny Highway: Figure skating is an athletic competition. You may not like how they determine the winner but that is okay because there are 1,000 other sports you can watch.

Not unless you've got access to something other than NBC coverage.  US Olympic coverage will be 50% talking about skating, 40% actual skating with some skiing and the men's hockey gold medal game thrown in for good measure.  We'll get highlights of the women's hockey gold medal game during the second intermission of the men's game.


So true, and exactly why I won't watch a minute of it.  I mean, after the competition is over, don't they have more figure skating that simply an exhibition of some kind, just to have more skating to broadcast.
 
2014-01-14 09:30:13 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: oldfarthenry: Geeze, people - it's the WINTER Olympics! The only games left for wealthy white folk.

Yacht racing and golf is still out there. I also hear it's expensive to hunt human.


It depends on the number of witnesses. For a case of Thunderbird you can hunt hoboes in the park from 3 to 5 in the morning. But the head teller of Obnoxious Bank and Trust coming back from her lunch hour? Bring your checkbook.
 
2014-01-14 09:36:55 PM  

Ishkur: Gunny Highway: I thought Americans like winners.

Americans like people who look like winners more than actual winners.


Hmm...that isnt nearly as catchy.

zimbomba63: o true, and exactly why I won't watch a minute of it. I mean, after the competition is over, don't they have more figure skating that simply an exhibition of some kind, just to have more skating to broadcast.


http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2014/01/sochi-olympics-tv-schedule-o n- nbc-nbcsn-msnbc-cnbc-and-usa/

Looks like they have lots of channels and lots of events. DVR should make it easy to watch whatever you want.  It isnt perfect but it isnt terrible.

I am sure there are ways to watch the events you are most interest in online as well.
 
2014-01-14 09:44:44 PM  

Quasar: I visited my folks this weekend and they were watching the competition. Wagner got fourth, yes, but she was also champion the last two years and has performed well internationally, so they thought she'd give the US a better shot. As stated before, this isn't the first time. The racial/conspiracy thing is silly.


This is the first time they've selected a skater who finished lower at nationals over one who finished higher, but the rules have given them the option of doing that for a long time.  This is just the first time it really made sense to do so.  Wagner has had a MUCH better international record over the last few years.  I don't discount the arguments in favor of Nagasu - it's a tough decision - but the selection committee chose the minor headcase with some international cred over the major headcase who hasn't been taken seriously by international judges in several years.  End of story.  I don't always think that highly of U.S. Figure Skating, but I don't believe for a second that race played any role in this decision.

Ugh I know way too much about figure skating after that. Though that Cesario chick had a much better routine (better music, more flair, actually worked with the music, no mistakes) and scored less on the free skate than any of the top 4 so maybe it is rigged.

She beat Wagner in the free skate, actually, just not overall.  She was 10+ points behind all the top four after the short program after blowing her jump combination, which was too big a deficit to make up.  I like Cesario, but she skates more slowly than most of the top skaters (something that doesn't always come across on TV).  Some of her program components scores were in line with the top four, but she was (fairly) marked a little lower on the skating skills and transitions.  The quality of her jumps is just okay, so she didn't get the higher grade of execution points on them like Gracie Gold and Polina Edmunds did, and she was doing level 2-3 spins and footwork while the top four did mostly level 4's.  She performed her program well, but on the technical end, she was outskated.
 
2014-01-14 09:47:20 PM  
For the first time in history, a US Nationals figure skating medal winner is left off Olympic team.

Why?

Why?

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy???
 
2014-01-14 09:47:38 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...sucked into a polar vortex of hype, hoo-hah and hullabaloo..."

That could convince me to watch the Winter Olympics again, but I thought the snatch lift was part of the Summer Olympics?


www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com
 
2014-01-14 09:51:08 PM  

hooligan sidekick: Quasar: I visited my folks this weekend and they were watching the competition. Wagner got fourth, yes, but she was also champion the last two years and has performed well internationally, so they thought she'd give the US a better shot. As stated before, this isn't the first time. The racial/conspiracy thing is silly.

This is the first time they've selected a skater who finished lower at nationals over one who finished higher, but the rules have given them the option of doing that for a long time.  This is just the first time it really made sense to do so.  Wagner has had a MUCH better international record over the last few years.  I don't discount the arguments in favor of Nagasu - it's a tough decision - but the selection committee chose the minor headcase with some international cred over the major headcase who hasn't been taken seriously by international judges in several years.  End of story.  I don't always think that highly of U.S. Figure Skating, but I don't believe for a second that race played any role in this decision.

Ugh I know way too much about figure skating after that. Though that Cesario chick had a much better routine (better music, more flair, actually worked with the music, no mistakes) and scored less on the free skate than any of the top 4 so maybe it is rigged.

She beat Wagner in the free skate, actually, just not overall.  She was 10+ points behind all the top four after the short program after blowing her jump combination, which was too big a deficit to make up.  I like Cesario, but she skates more slowly than most of the top skaters (something that doesn't always come across on TV).  Some of her program components scores were in line with the top four, but she was (fairly) marked a little lower on the skating skills and transitions.  The quality of her jumps is just okay, so she didn't get the higher grade of execution points on them like Gracie Gold and Polina Edmunds did, and she was doing level 2-3 spins and footwork while the top f ...


Thank you very much for this post.
 
2014-01-14 09:53:06 PM  
This is not a bookmark for next March's Selection Sunday,
 
2014-01-14 10:17:49 PM  

Ishkur: Americans like people who look like winners more than actual winners.



I had no idea that was what I liked.  You certainly do know a lot about Americans.

*checks profile*

Ha!  That figures.
 
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