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(Wall Street Journal)   For the first time in history, a US Nationals figure skating medal winner is left off Olympic team, replaced instead by skater she beat, who just happens to be a blond-haired, blue-eyed, camera-friendly "golden girl" (who wasn't even born in the US)   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 124
    More: Asinine, Mirai Nagasu, Winter Olympics, Washington Nationals, Ashley Wagner, Nagasu, Nancy Kerrigan, Kristi Yamaguchi, Michelle Kwan  
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2014-01-14 02:11:32 PM  
Nagasu also competed without a coach, which apparently is completely unprecedented, evincing that rugged individualism that so defines the American spirit...unless of course it runs afoul of corporate interests, in which case that spirit is completely crushed, swept under the rug, and replaced with something more palatable to the shareholders.
 
2014-01-14 02:17:59 PM  
Dick move by the USFS, but TFA's writer is really, really bad.
 
2014-01-14 02:36:33 PM  
She looks a lot like Tonya Harding.

Maybe she threatened to kneecap the selection committee.
 
2014-01-14 02:38:39 PM  
There are few things that I can hate more in all of sports than figure skating. The whole thing is so crooked it makes professional boxing seem as pure as the driven snow.
 
2014-01-14 02:38:53 PM  
Everyone who's on the U.S. Olympic team, stand over here.

s.wsj.net

Not so fast, Mirai.
 
2014-01-14 02:40:38 PM  

Nabb1: There are few things that I can hate more in all of sports than figure skating. The whole thing is so crooked it makes professional boxing seem as pure as the driven snow.


or professional cycling.  With the amount of doping going on there, the Tour de France trophy should just go right to whomever finished last, because clearly, that guy isn't doping.
 
2014-01-14 02:42:06 PM  
I don't think she's blond.  And not to be studman69 over here, but if that girl's looks swayed the committee, they are exceedingly easy to sway.
 
2014-01-14 02:44:31 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dick move by the USFS, but TFA's writer is really, really bad.


Came here to say exactly this.
 
2014-01-14 02:45:03 PM  
FTFA: "...sucked into a polar vortex of hype, hoo-hah and hullabaloo..."

That could convince me to watch the Winter Olympics again, but I thought the snatch lift was part of the Summer Olympics?
 
2014-01-14 02:49:14 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...sucked into a polar vortex of hype, hoo-hah and hullabaloo..."

That could convince me to watch the Winter Olympics again, but I thought the snatch lift was part of the Summer Olympics?


I thought Octomom had the only polar vortex sized hoo-hah.
 
2014-01-14 02:49:52 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: I don't think she's blond.  And not to be studman69 over here, but if that girl's looks swayed the committee, they are exceedingly easy to sway.


Doesn't do it for you?
www.trbimg.com
 
2014-01-14 02:52:08 PM  
Who wins in the battle of "For the first time in history..." versus "...the federation has disregarded the National Championship results only four times..."?
 
2014-01-14 02:52:53 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Nabb1: There are few things that I can hate more in all of sports than figure skating. The whole thing is so crooked it makes professional boxing seem as pure as the driven snow.

or professional cycling.  With the amount of doping going on there, the Tour de France trophy should just go right to whomever finished last, because clearly, that guy isn't doping.


You say that like doing is a BAD thing.

/loves me some doping
 
2014-01-14 02:53:03 PM  

Nabb1: There are few things that I can hate more in all of sports than figure skating. The whole thing is so crooked it makes professional boxing seem as pure as the driven snow.


Which is a shame because it takes tremendous strength, balance and coordination to do it well.

/figure skated for a few years as a tween
//was told I was too clumsy
 
2014-01-14 02:58:47 PM  
(who wasn't even born in the US)

Don't be stupid.
 
2014-01-14 02:59:24 PM  

Nabb1: There are few things that I can hate more in all of sports than figure skating. The whole thing is so crooked it makes professional boxing seem as pure as the driven snow.


Try Ice Dancing. Even more crooked, and as a bonus it's still on ice.

I used to love watching both, they're impressive sports. But the judging just makes me far, far too angry.
 
2014-01-14 03:02:24 PM  
www.tonyaharding.com

Knows a few people who could "fix" this...
 
2014-01-14 03:03:52 PM  

timujin: Three Crooked Squirrels: I don't think she's blond.  And not to be studman69 over here, but if that girl's looks swayed the committee, they are exceedingly easy to sway.

Doesn't do it for you?
[www.trbimg.com image 600x570]


Not bad at all, but not "screw someone out of the Olympics on the slight chance she'll screw me" hot.
 
2014-01-14 03:05:12 PM  

mactheknife: [www.tonyaharding.com image 500x625]

Knows a few people who could "fix" this...


Thanks.  Thanks a lot.  I really needed to see that.

/jerk
 
2014-01-14 03:16:47 PM  
So they went with a far-more-consistent, two-time US champion over a quite-inconsistent, recent bronze-medalist skater?

I'm sure this doesn't even rank among the shady, unethical, and corrupt business in figure skating's history.
 
2014-01-14 03:18:30 PM  
Geeze, people - it's the WINTER Olympics! The only games left for wealthy white folk.
 
2014-01-14 03:19:45 PM  

oldfarthenry: Geeze, people - it's the WINTER Olympics! The only games left for wealthy white folk.


Yacht racing and golf is still out there. I also hear it's expensive to hunt human.
 
2014-01-14 03:20:44 PM  
I visited my folks this weekend and they were watching the competition. Wagner got fourth, yes, but she was also champion the last two years and has performed well internationally, so they thought she'd give the US a better shot. As stated before, this isn't the first time. The racial/conspiracy thing is silly.

Ugh I know way too much about figure skating after that. Though that Cesario chick had a much better routine (better music, more flair, actually worked with the music, no mistakes) and scored less on the free skate than any of the top 4 so maybe it is rigged.
 
2014-01-14 03:40:53 PM  

Quasar: I visited my folks this weekend and they were watching the competition. Wagner got fourth, yes, but she was also champion the last two years and has performed well internationally, so they thought she'd give the US a better shot. As stated before, this isn't the first time. The racial/conspiracy thing is silly.

Ugh I know way too much about figure skating after that. Though that Cesario chick had a much better routine (better music, more flair, actually worked with the music, no mistakes) and scored less on the free skate than any of the top 4 so maybe it is rigged.


Yeah but the "it's racist" angle probably gets more page clicks than the "more consistent and better chance for medal" angle.
 
2014-01-14 03:42:17 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: oldfarthenry: Geeze, people - it's the WINTER Olympics! The only games left for wealthy white folk.

Yacht racing and golf is still out there. I also hear it's expensive to hunt human.


i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-01-14 03:45:24 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Who wins in the battle of "For the first time in history..." versus "...the federation has disregarded the National Championship results only four times..."?


Both. The full statement in the Farkline is: For the first time in history, a US Nationals figure skating medal winner is left off Olympic team, replaced instead by skater she beat. the other four times mentioned in the article all had to do with skaters missing the Nationals due to injury.
 
2014-01-14 03:47:05 PM  

timujin: Everyone who's on the U.S. Olympic team, stand over here.

[s.wsj.net image 359x239]

Not so fast, Mirai.


I bow to your wit.
 
2014-01-14 03:48:25 PM  

Quasar: I visited my folks this weekend and they were watching the competition. Wagner got fourth, yes, but she was also champion the last two years and has performed well internationally, so they thought she'd give the US a better shot. As stated before, this isn't the first time. The racial/conspiracy thing is silly.

Ugh I know way too much about figure skating after that. Though that Cesario chick had a much better routine (better music, more flair, actually worked with the music, no mistakes) and scored less on the free skate than any of the top 4 so maybe it is rigged.


See, here is the thing that gets me about Olympic sports that are judged:  They aren't truly objective.

Skier comes in a quarter second faster than anyone else, well, you know the're the winner.  Skater crosses the line before everyone else, they're the winner.  Team scores more goals than the other one, they're  the winner.

It's objective.  You can measure it by some quantity, whether it be distance, time, goals, or even just against the other athletes in a head-to-head competition (I *LOVE* snowboardcross).

With stuff like figure skating, though, because all the scores depend on judges, there is always the distinct possibility of favorites, or even outright skullduggery.
 
2014-01-14 03:48:43 PM  
A poorly written article by some asian dude with an agenda.
 
2014-01-14 03:50:10 PM  

ricewater_stool: A poorly written article by some asian dude with an agenda.


This
 
2014-01-14 04:06:11 PM  
No one wants to drag the specter of race, jingoism and xenophobia into the arena of sport...

...But I'm gonna!

ricewater_stool: A poorly written article by some asian dude with an agenda.


Yup.
 
2014-01-14 04:07:35 PM  

whither_apophis: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...sucked into a polar vortex of hype, hoo-hah and hullabaloo..."

That could convince me to watch the Winter Olympics again, but I thought the snatch lift was part of the Summer Olympics?

I thought Octomom had the only polar vortex sized hoo-hah.


Yes, but what gets sucked into that pales in comparison to what gets pooped out.
 
2014-01-14 04:10:29 PM  

dittybopper: Quasar: I visited my folks this weekend and they were watching the competition. Wagner got fourth, yes, but she was also champion the last two years and has performed well internationally, so they thought she'd give the US a better shot. As stated before, this isn't the first time. The racial/conspiracy thing is silly.

Ugh I know way too much about figure skating after that. Though that Cesario chick had a much better routine (better music, more flair, actually worked with the music, no mistakes) and scored less on the free skate than any of the top 4 so maybe it is rigged.

See, here is the thing that gets me about Olympic sports that are judged:  They aren't truly objective.

Skier comes in a quarter second faster than anyone else, well, you know the're the winner.  Skater crosses the line before everyone else, they're the winner.  Team scores more goals than the other one, they're  the winner.

It's objective.  You can measure it by some quantity, whether it be distance, time, goals, or even just against the other athletes in a head-to-head competition (I *LOVE* snowboardcross).

With stuff like figure skating, though, because all the scores depend on judges, there is always the distinct possibility of favorites, or even outright skullduggery.


Ditto, ditty. If the outcome is determined by judges, it's not a sport, IMO. This is not to say that these feats are not admirable. Jumping in the air, spinning around three times and landing -- on ICE -- is pretty damned impressive. Why not see who could do the best tricks? Then the judges could be more like referees and merely decide if the skater landed cleanly or put a hand down to stabilize themselves.
 
2014-01-14 04:17:28 PM  
Subjectively scored events aren't sports.
 
2014-01-14 04:20:10 PM  

PowerSlacker: Subjectively scored events aren't sports.


So, the BCS kept college football from being a sport?
 
2014-01-14 04:22:09 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Who wins in the battle of "For the first time in history..." versus "...the federation has disregarded the National Championship results only four times..."?


FTFA: "never in history ignored the results of the Nationals in picking its Olympic athletes when injury was not a factor."

And the story even mentions the injuries in question in the four cases.

Reading comprehension matters.
 
2014-01-14 04:25:49 PM  
Meanwhile, skating events will be narrated by Nancy Kerrigan, while Oksana Baiul continues to be screwed by the folks showing the event. You remember Oksana, right? The woman who actually won the gold medal in the event in which Nancy Kerrigan (and Tonya Harding) participated? Yeah.

It's one thing to watch media outlets screw folks for fun. It's quite another to watch countries do it.
 
2014-01-14 04:29:46 PM  
The idiot author criticizes a 1992 Newsweek piece that says

"What's a good ole boy to do if there's not only a Toyota in the driveway and a Sony in the bedroom and a Mitsubishi in the family room - but on the screen there, as the band plays the "Star-Spangled Banner," is the All-American girl of 1992, and her name is Yamaguchi?" Pundits are largely more discreet these days.

Obviously the point of the Newsweek story was to mock the "good old boy" who supposedly couldn't handle an Asian-American winning the gold.
 
2014-01-14 04:29:50 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2014-01-14 04:30:21 PM  

factoryconnection: So they went with a far-more-consistent, two-time US champion over a quite-inconsistent, recent bronze-medalist skater?

I'm sure this doesn't even rank among the shady, unethical, and corrupt business in figure skating's history.


keep your "facts" out of this thread, alright buddy?
 
2014-01-14 04:30:30 PM  

EyeballKid: PowerSlacker: Subjectively scored events aren't sports.

So, the BCS kept college football from being a sport?


The games were objectively scored, but the national championships were sketchy as hell with a two team playoff.

Expanding the playoff from two teams to four teams helps.
 
2014-01-14 04:31:58 PM  

FormlessOne: Meanwhile, skating events will be narrated by Nancy Kerrigan, while Oksana Baiul continues to be screwed by the folks showing the event. You remember Oksana, right? The woman who actually won the gold medal in the event in which Nancy Kerrigan (and Tonya Harding) participated? Yeah.

It's one thing to watch media outlets screw folks for fun. It's quite another to watch countries do it.


So what?  Joe Montana was a much better quarterback than Boomer Esaison, but Boomer is on TV a lot more these days.
 
2014-01-14 04:42:11 PM  
So the hot chick gets to be on television, and the ugly chick hass to bag groceries? As a TV viewer, I'm OK with this. I don't want to have to stroke it to an ugly chick...
 
2014-01-14 04:42:24 PM  
somethingsomething president something kenya somethingsomething...
 
2014-01-14 04:46:50 PM  

FormlessOne: Meanwhile, skating events will be narrated by Nancy Kerrigan, while Oksana Baiul continues to be screwed by the folks showing the event. You remember Oksana, right? The woman who actually won the gold medal in the event in which Nancy Kerrigan (and Tonya Harding) participated? Yeah.

It's one thing to watch media outlets screw folks for fun. It's quite another to watch countries do it.


Baiul did have a lot of TV gigs in the years after that Olympics. The problem was that she had a huge alcohol problem and apparently was such a raving biatch that nobody wanted to work with her, and apparently it was so bad it still lingers to this day. Nobody screwed her except for herself.
 
2014-01-14 04:47:07 PM  

FormlessOne: Meanwhile, skating events will be narrated by Nancy Kerrigan, while Oksana Baiul continues to be screwed by the folks showing the event. You remember Oksana, right? The woman who actually won the gold medal in the event in which Nancy Kerrigan (and Tonya Harding) participated? Yeah.

It's one thing to watch media outlets screw folks for fun. It's quite another to watch countries do it.


The winner of the event isn't always the best speaker, are they?

Jeah.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-14 04:47:10 PM  
Why does every stinking journalist with access to a keyboard feel the need use "polar vortex" in whatever they write?

/Yes, it grates on my nerves.
 
2014-01-14 04:47:47 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: So the hot chick gets to be on television, and the ugly chick hass to bag groceries? As a TV viewer, I'm OK with this. I don't want to have to stroke it to an ugly chick...


Hold on now. This is Fark and she is skinny and Asian, so she has to be hot. It is the law.
 
2014-01-14 05:05:53 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: dittybopper:

Ditto, ditty. If the outcome is determined by judges, it's not a sport, IMO. This is not to say that these feats are not admirable. Jumping in the air, spinning around three times and landing -- on ICE -- is pretty damned impressive. Why not see who could do the best tricks? Then the judges could be more like referees and merely decide if the skater landed cleanly or put a hand down to stabilize themselves.


Now that'd make it worth watching. Get like 4 or 5 zebras out on the ice watching them, maybe throwing a flag now and then, see how the skaters handle the pressure. That's entertainment there.
 
2014-01-14 05:09:54 PM  
I was about to get all outraged, but then I read the girls finished 3rd and 4th, right next to each other.  It isn't like they picked a girl who finished 10th over the gold medal winner.  Keep in mind that the girl who finished 4th fell twice during her routine.  Had she not done that, she probably would have won the gold.  It is the coachs' job to put together the best team.  I am guessing they felt that despite the fact Nagasu finished one spot better than blondie, blondie was actually the better skater and gave them a better chance of medaling in Sochi.

So I doubt there is really bias against Asian skaters in U.S. figure skating.  I seem to remember Kristy Yamaguchi being the darling of the sport a while back.
 
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