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(MLive.com)   Proponents of Michigan's new open-carry gun law say they're loving their new sense of freedom, and they just wish the cops would remember that open carry is now legal and not to stage high-risk takedowns every time there's a gun call   (mlive.com) divider line 57
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2014-01-14 03:15:50 PM
9 votes:
what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?
2014-01-14 04:07:27 PM
5 votes:

EdNortonsTwin: The reason people open carry is......................it's been a secret until now...................because it's funny to watch people wet themselves when they see a safely holstered pistol.

I'd open carry from time to time if it was legal here.

/ 8.5" thanks for asking.


See here, we have great first-hand evidence of the teenage power fantasy being the driving mentality.    A lot of people have asked the question, and there's your anwer.  "I think it gives me power over others" is basically it.
2014-01-14 03:35:36 PM
5 votes:
i970.photobucket.com
2014-01-14 04:07:42 PM
3 votes:

EdNortonsTwin: because it's funny to watch people wet themselves when they see a safely holstered pistol.


one of the saddest things i've ever read on the internet
2014-01-14 03:53:30 PM
3 votes:

FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


From a tactical standpoint, it makes a lot more sense. It's more comfortable, it has an easier draw, and in an actual threatening situation, allows you to present your weapon to de-escalate without violating the law.

From a realistic (ie, not in the diseased power fantasies of small-dicked minds) standpoint, all it does is make everyone afraid of you and put your weapon in easy reach of a guy that wants it more than you.

Open carry is great for police officers and trained professionals. Open carry is bad for Johnny Wantstobeahero.
2014-01-14 03:51:07 PM
3 votes:

FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


So the robbers know to shoot you before taking your wallet.
2014-01-14 04:34:16 PM
2 votes:

Corvus: So gun nuts in this thread are both saying:
A) There is NO reason you should feel nervous others have a gun or that you need a gun on public.
B) I MUST have a gun in public because of all those reason above I said you don't need to have a gun.


Umm how does that make sense?

If you feel you have to have a gun, then why don't others have the same reason need to have a gun?


Uhm, no. Gun nuts in this thread are stating that we choose to carry a firearm because it is a tool and likely to be useful should we need to defend ourselves. We recognize the fact that violent activities happen and would rather have the chance to fight back.

However, that being said, if you don't feel you need a gun, don't carry one. Chances are, none of us in this thread (except me, since I already have had to) will need a gun in their life for self defense, so you may choose your level of armament.

Just don't presume to conflate "I don't feel the need for a gun" with "I don't feel the need for the gun so no one should have guns." One is a personal choice, one is a projection.
2014-01-14 04:09:41 PM
2 votes:
Hey maybe all of us don't want to live in a country where we feel we must carry a gun around 24/7.
2014-01-14 04:08:07 PM
2 votes:

EdNortonsTwin: The reason people open carry is......................it's been a secret until now...................because it's funny to watch people wet themselves when they see a safely holstered pistol.

I'd open carry from time to time if it was legal here.

/ 8.5" thanks for asking.


So your intention is to make those around you uncomfortable?
2014-01-14 03:53:41 PM
2 votes:
Yeah seasoning authoritarianism doesn't exactly go with Freedom Fries.  You'd think, of all groups, conservatives would understand this but they seem completely blind to it.  Like, are your new hyper-militarized police forces going to give you a wink and a nod when you're carrying an AR15 in a school zone because they somehow can discern that you're not one of those people?
2014-01-14 03:48:58 PM
2 votes:
Why stop there?  Let's institute "Open Aiming" laws so anyone can point their gun directly at anyone they choose at any time.

And of course, coupled with Free Speech laws that means you could scream into their face while you're doing it, too.

I mean, as long as nobody is actually pulling a trigger, what's the big deal?
2014-01-14 03:43:08 PM
2 votes:

FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


Childish attention seeking mechanism for people with serious emotional development issues.

There are exceptions but a smart Bayesian would start here and look for disproof.
2014-01-14 02:53:03 PM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-01-15 02:02:50 AM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Pathetic. Like wearing your socks and underwear in the shower...


No, what's pathetic is that more than 100,000 Americans every year suffer from Firearm "Unlucky" Sudden Onset Bullethole Syndrome. We also have a fat, untrained and mistrained populace who lack any real proficiency with their firearms, are unable to walk a quarter mile without medical intervention, let alone use the most rudimentary of small unit tactics, but are still considered to be the "last line of defense" for this country. What's infuriating is that Congress could fix this easily.

What's disgusting is that I don't get to don my combat boots, slap some kiwi on them, and "polish" them to a high gloss on the backsides of Fark secessionists so my children won't have to do a Sherman on them.
2014-01-15 01:59:38 AM
1 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: Everybody must participate as fully as possible. No exceptions. No excuses.

So the Constitution no longer applies to the elderly or people with disabilities.  Nice.  And you are ignoring the Heller decision, which states that the right to keep and bear arms is unconnected with any service in the militia.  In fact, you're arguing for something unheard of, that only the militia is allowed to keep and bear arms.

I knew there was a reason I had you ignored and labeled "complete lunatic."

No, nimrod, they are full Militia members who must participate to the extent they are able. There is no retirement, just as military "retirement" pay is really retainer pay and "retirees" are subject to recall to active duty.


So, you want compulsory military service as a prereq for exercising a Constitutional right, that is according to the Supreme Court "unconnected with service in the militia."

I appreciate your military service, but that does not make you an authority, it does not make your arguments, your opinions hold any more weight or validity.  I think your idea is stupid, and I don't support compulsory military service because I don't believe in fighting wars of aggression for Israel and corporate America.
2014-01-15 01:10:55 AM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: This fear of holstered guns is a little sad. I'm not sure I could walk down the street if I was that terrified of inanimate objects. Tanker trucks, semis with hazardous cargo, natural gas vehicles, a propane grill, these things must terrify all of the scared-of-guns crowd. Those things can level an entire building, and a truck full of propane barreling down the road at 80 miles per hour is far more dangerous than a pistol sitting in the holster of the guy in front of you at the 7-11.


Mikey, we both know that the streets of the United States are not a combat zone. We also both know that, of all the objects you named, only one is deliberately designed for the purpose of killing. (Save the bullshiat sophistries for somebody who's gullible. Like that one guy at your local watering hole.) And let's be perfectly clear, I am not fearful of firearms. I was raised to have a healthy respect for what they can do and trained to do it well. I spend the sweat, time, and treasure to remain proficient.

The guy in the 7-11 is, at the very least, afraid. He probably has other issues.
2014-01-15 01:07:54 AM
1 votes:

Weatherkiss: justtray: Ohhh, you have a persecution complex. That makes sense. Actually, all your posts make sense now. I feel bad for you. You should really see a counsellor, it would help. And I'm really not kidding here, you have an actual psychological problem that should be addressed. The way you feel the need to adjust other people's personality toward you should be a HUGE red flag to yourself. That it's not means you need to seek help from the outside.

Please.

I've seen a lot in my life. I've had bad taste in boyfriends. And I grew up in a rural area where the sheriff was more than 20 minutes away if there was an emergency.

I've never felt persecuted, only paranoid. A lot of people in my every day life are much bigger than I am. Like I asked someone a while back -- walk a mile in my shoes, and then maybe you'll understand why I choose to carry even if you don't agree with my reasons why.

Still wondering what planet some of you live on that isn't full of assholes. I'd love to move there.


Look, ignore the rest of the shiat I wrote.

I'm certain your life has been rough, and that really sucks. I feel for you. Maybe you should try to escape whatever situation you're in. If everyone around you really is that much an asshole, get the hell out of there. I promise you, the world is not like that. Some people are mean, but a vast, vast majority are good, even those that disagree with you on everything.

I don't even want to be mean to you. I just want to help you realize the world isn't just shiat.
2014-01-15 12:59:37 AM
1 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: You've repeatedly stated that your purpose in walking around armed is to intimidate others because you are small and afraid. That is one huge red flag. Please seek help.


Wow, funny I said the exact same thing...... She won't though, we both know that.
2014-01-15 12:57:18 AM
1 votes:

Weatherkiss: And who are you to say who needs help or not? Jesus, get off your high horse.

Here, I can play that game too. Watch.

You're intentionally being daft by taking portions of my statements out of context, please seek help since you might be legally retarded. I only say this because I'm concerned for your personal health and don't want you to drown in your soup without wearing water wings like Peter Griffin.


When I see somebody who needs help, it's my responsibility to speak up.
I am not playing a game: Firearms are not toys, or fashion accessories, or extortion tools for eliciting "respect". Firearms are deadly serious.
You have repeatedly said that you walk around armed to intimidate others because you are afraid. That's not me indulging in selective quotation to imply the opposite of what you wrote - it is what you have repeatedly written in this thread.

Seek.
Professional.
Help.
2014-01-15 12:55:42 AM
1 votes:

Weatherkiss: demaL-demaL-yeH: See? She is not well and she needs serious help. I fervently hope that she seeks the help she needs before she harms herself or somebody else.

Wow. Serious concern trolling there.

I've been openly carrying for years. It's never crossed my mind to whip out my pistol and shoot others or myself. When I carry, it's when I run errands and more often than not I just see it as another part of my belt to put on.

I passed the state certifications, I've had my background checks. I'm of sound mind and body.

I'm sorry that you think a woman less of five feet in stature who chooses to carry a securely holstered, unloaded pistol on her daily errands constitutes as threatening those around her.

I'm sure you also feel the same way about people who have spiked bracelets, keep brass knuckles on their dashboard, carry swiss army knives on their keychain, have hatchets in their car, and anything else not covered in nerf foam.

For their own safety, that is.

The only people who should be threatened are those who want to bother me. I deal with many transactions when I carry, and since I do not always carry -- I deal with transactions then too.

I will tell you from first-hand experience that the way I am addressed, the tone of voice given to me, the sincerity, and the directness that I am given between having a pistol on and not having a pistol on are like night and day. Maybe it's fear, or maybe it's respect. In either case, it gives me peace of mind.


Ohhh, you have a persecution complex. That makes sense. Actually, all your posts make sense now. I feel bad for you. You should really see a counsellor, it would help. And I'm really not kidding here, you have an actual psychological problem that should be addressed. The way you feel the need to adjust other people's personality toward you should be a HUGE red flag to yourself. That it's not means you need to seek help from the outside.

Please.
2014-01-15 12:51:01 AM
1 votes:

justtray: Weatherkiss: Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.

You are exactly the kind of person who should never be allowed to own a firearm. I'm not kidding at all.

It's scary that you are allowed to own one. You are absolutely the highest risk mental case for being an unresponsible gun owner. In fact, you define it.


No, no, no, no!  He's a Responsible Gun Owner®  because he hasn't killed or maimed anybody yet!  Until then, he can do whatever the hell he wants with his guns, cuz 'Murka!
2014-01-15 12:48:26 AM
1 votes:

Weatherkiss: Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.


You are exactly the kind of person who should never be allowed to own a firearm. I'm not kidding at all.

It's scary that you are allowed to own one. You are absolutely the highest risk mental case for being an unresponsible gun owner. In fact, you define it.
2014-01-15 12:39:23 AM
1 votes:
The only thing someone is really trying to say when they are open-carrying is "I could kill you right now, I just choose not to.  I might change my mind, I might not."  It's a power trip. Some people believe this is a good thing.
2014-01-15 12:35:47 AM
1 votes:

Weatherkiss: Wow. Serious concern trolling there.


You've repeatedly stated that your purpose in walking around armed is to intimidate others because you are small and afraid. That is one  huge red flag. Please seek help.
2014-01-14 10:17:15 PM
1 votes:

The Name: And don't you DARE suggest that guns are psychological substitutes for penises!


demaL-demaL-yeH: This is one of the more stupid things I have read this year.


So I'm assuming both of you have spoken to a police officer before. Or perhaps either of you have spoken to someone who openly carried.

In the case of the police officer, "Some people respect the badge, everybody respects the gun."

Or maybe one or both of you have felt someone else putting your life in danger where you felt completely helpless. How many times have either of you been raped or mugged? How about your mothers, sisters, or your daughters? How many times have you personally had to deal with pushy people when you were at your weakest?

If the presence of a person openly carrying a gun does not give off a signal that they are not to be farked with, then why are you bed-wetters so adamant about not allowing people to openly carry? Obviously if the people carrying them are weak or using them as penis substitutes and nothing more, then what the fark do you care?

If they're so impotent that they need a gun, what do you care? Obviously they're beneath you.

And obviously your female family members can just get raped like a pro and you'd mock them for feeling weak, paranoid, and helpless next time they go out the door by themselves?

Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.
2014-01-14 05:47:21 PM
1 votes:

Weatherkiss:  I don't like being insulted or disrespected or treated as a potential target for financial or criminal gain. I was tired of being a victim of pushy, aggressive people. I got a gun. Now people aren't so pushy or aggressive with me anymore.

Unless I have to be a masochist and enjoy being treated like a walking dollar sign that has to be pushed until giving up said money either legally or illegally because other people do.


No one should have to feel like they need a gun to navigate unmolested through society.
2014-01-14 05:46:37 PM
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: Kit Fister: It's illegal to drink and drive.

Kit Fister: And yet people still kill each other with cars.

Drunk driving deaths have decreased about 50% over the last thirty years. That wasn't by chance. It was through legislation, public policy, and public awareness.

The gun control crowd understands there will always be deaths by guns, suicidal, accidental and otherwise. But they think we can do better than 30,000 deaths a year. That's all. Let's get that number down to a lower steady state.


Considering the 30k number is over 60% suicides, and the rest are largely based on the illegal drug trade and gang activity, I think we absolutely can do better than that, in pretty obvious ways.
2014-01-14 05:37:54 PM
1 votes:

Farker Soze: justtray: Wow, Corvus laid down the old school alley rape on the gun nuts in this thread.

Extra props to Kit Fisher for getting absolutely destroyed and just keep coming back for more. Bravo, I havent seen this kind of abuse since Rodney King

Another rape lover appears.


And now I remember why I have j******y blocked as a "moron".
2014-01-14 05:29:06 PM
1 votes:
I'll interpret your silence as "I'm sorry my argumentative personality defect caused me to not read your post and made me look like an even more insufferable douche than normal".

Apology accepted.
2014-01-14 05:25:41 PM
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: But what troubles me most about this suggestion - and the general More Guns approach to social ills - is the absolute abandonment of civil society it represents. It gives up on the rule of law in favor of a Hobbesian "war of every man against every man" in which we no longer have genuine neighbors, only potential enemies. You may trust your neighbor for now - but you have high-powered recourse if he ever acts wrongly.

Whatever lack of open violence may be procured by this method is not peace or civil order, but rather a standoff, a Cold War maintained by the threat of mutually assured destruction. Moreover, the person who wishes to live this way, to maintain order at universal gunpoint, has an absolute trust in his own ability to use weapons wisely and well: he never for a moment asks whether he can be trusted with a gun. Of course he can! (But in literature we call this hubris.) Link


This is a pretty good point, and underlies the girth of the pro-guns everywhere side.  There is a millennial/messianic belief that we are in the end times (for them), and they need to arm themselves for the wars preeminent in our society.  More likely than not, this is a racial war that they are expecting.  Of course there is little confusion why this has ramped up since Obama was elected.

Essentially, these people have given up on civil society.  For whatever reason, it's not exactly clear, but presumably because they feel 1) emasculated, 2) impoverished, 3) their decision making freedoms have been curbed.  Since they are often straight white males, who are often lower class, and socially troubled, that none of these things have legitimately happened, but have only happened circumstantially to them, doesn't really occur to them.  They are massively about projection, and the only way they can seek defense against the changes in the world is by waving their prosthetics around against threats that don't actually exist.
2014-01-14 05:11:53 PM
1 votes:
A quick game of "Knock Out."  Look!  A free pistol!
2014-01-14 05:05:48 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: Kit Fister: Corvus: I see so your a rugged bad ass who get's yourself in danger who needs to carry a gun while I am milk toast who would never find myself in a dangerous situation.

I am sorry I forget all gun nuts are "bad asses" that live a life of great danger (at least in their own minds).

I was jumped, beaten and stabbed while working ina  very bad neighborhood i had no choice but to be in. I had no firearm, and nearly died. Would you like the police report and the photos of the stab wounds?

What has that to do at all with the conversation?


I'd say that it has THIS to do with the conversation...

Your post:
    
Corvus: So gun nuts in this thread are both saying:
A) There is NO reason you should feel nervous others have a gun or that you need a gun on public.
B) I MUST have a gun in public because of all those reason above I said you don't need to have a gun.

Umm how does that make sense?
If you feel you have to have a gun, then why don't others have the same reason need to have a gun?


The response(With the relevant part bolded):

Kit Fister: Uhm, no. Gun nuts in this thread are stating that we choose to carry a firearm because it is a tool and likely to be useful should we need to defend ourselves. We recognize the fact that violent activities happen and would rather have the chance to fight back.
However, that being said, if you don't feel you need a gun, don't carry one. Chances are, none of us in this thread (except me, since I already have had to) will need a gun in their life for self defense, so you may choose your level of armament.


Your response:

Corvus: I see so your a rugged bad ass who get's yourself in danger who needs to carry a gun while I am milk toast who would never find myself in a dangerous situation.
I am sorry I forget all gun nuts are "bad asses" that live a life of great danger (at least in their own minds).


BTW: It's  Milquetoast
Anyway, KF responded:

    
Kit Fister: Corvus: I see so your a rugged bad ass who get's yourself in danger who needs to carry a gun while I am milk toast who would never find myself in a dangerous situation.
I am sorry I forget all gun nuts are "bad asses" that live a life of great danger (at least in their own minds).

I was jumped, beaten and stabbed while working ina  very bad neighborhood i had no choice but to be in. I had no firearm, and nearly died. Would you like the police report and the photos of the stab wounds?

In other words, that was the EXACT conversation, and you just didn't like being backed into a corner.

2014-01-14 04:55:34 PM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: Corvus: I need to "assault someone'' when I am drunk driving to get arrested?

Really?

Wow, you really are dense, aren't you?

Okay, fine. If you really want to get down to brass tacks, the act of driving while intoxicated would be similar to the act of knowingly taking out a firearm and shooting it in public. You have chosen to go past responsible behavior and have begun acting recklessly and in such a way as to endanger others by willfully acting in an unsafe manner.

If I were to pull out a firearm, legally carried or not, and started firing said gun in public without a damn good reason, I would be equally liable for charges as I would have been had I driven drunk.

The mere act of carrying a firearm, openly or concealed, is not equivalent to driving drunk. It would be similar to the responsible use of alcohol.

I may drink a beer, but I have a duty to act responsibly when doing so, including not driving while under the influence of alcohol. Just like i may carry a gun, but I have a duty to act responsibly when doing so, including not whipping it out for every situation, unless I have a very goddamn good reason.

And that was the point of my post you totally went full derp on: Just losing an argument, or being insulted, or not being right is not cause to use a firearm. Getting punched in the face or having a fistfight is not in and of itself directly a cause for pulling a gun. Having some asshole grab your wallet is not in and of itself cause for pulling a gun.

A gun is a last-resort tool. You use it if you have no other option and the choice is either be severely injured or killed by someone, or injure/kill them first. Pull a knife on me? if I think you're going to use it, I'm going to shoot you. Corner me and threaten me with a crowbar? I'm probably going to shoot you. hold me up and demand money? Here, fine, take the damn money, all $2 I have in my wallet and my oiverdrawn bank card.


His reply will probably be that since everyone can't act that responsibly, no one should have that privilege, while ignoring the argument that since someone might drink and drive no one can drink, because he probably likes a little drink now and then.  Typical authoritarian minded selfishness.
2014-01-14 04:53:00 PM
1 votes:
Jeez. Is everything about dick size with you people? A little projection, maybe?
2014-01-14 04:40:49 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: No I am just wondering why you couldn't give a simple yes or no to my rather straight forward es or no question.


You're asking me to answer on behalf of other people for whom I don't speak.  I already gave you a straight answer about my personal belief, so at this point I suspect your deficiency is in reading comprehension.
2014-01-14 04:40:41 PM
1 votes:

Weatherkiss: And I think there are a lot of people in everyday life that needs to have an attitude adjustment.

 People who feel the need to open carry are almost always assholes who need to have an attitude adjustment.
2014-01-14 04:36:53 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


Any combo of those, yes.
2014-01-14 04:27:45 PM
1 votes:

Weatherkiss: A responsible gun owner will never pull their piece on a whim


I can't tell the difference between a responsible gun owner and a maniac until he pulls and starts shooting. Can you?
2014-01-14 04:27:14 PM
1 votes:
12,000 or so Gun related deaths in the US last year and people think keeping an eye on people openly carrying a gun is silly and stupid?

These are mostly the same people than think wearing a hoodie is a good way to get shot I imagine.
2014-01-14 04:23:46 PM
1 votes:
ITT:  Lots of people projecting their own insecurities onto people who carry openly.
2014-01-14 04:23:02 PM
1 votes:

TFerWannaBe: MFAWG: FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?

It's so that you'll know to not disrespect the carrier.

If you can't take some insults without pulling out your piece, you deserve the disrespect.


A responsible gun owner will never pull their piece on a whim. If you're a responsible gun owner, one of the biggest things you learn (when getting licensed to carry) is not when to pull your sidearm -- but when not to. If you pull your piece, you can get arrested. You will be inconvenienced by law enforcement, you will have to sign statements. If you fire your piece, that can be a crime.

Responsible gun owners don't shoot from the hip, they have to have situational awareness, and they have to use discretion. Because even if there's a 'misunderstanding', a misunderstanding can waste that gun owner's time and money dealing with the legal paperwork.

People who openly carry guns will go out of their way not to be inconvenienced, and therefore will not simply pull their piece whenever they feel like they can.

But it does have something to do with respect, too. People see guns and there is a desire for self-preservation there, and they'll try not to disrespect or insult the gun owner. It's not even conscious. They simply see a gun and realize that there's something there designed to injure and kill another human being -- and their attitude and mood can change.

As for being 'the first target' for any crime being planned? This is true when it comes to tactics. But honestly, if someone is going to commit a crime they're either going to be too stupid to consider that (this isn't the movies where career criminals are geniuses), as noted by many many Fark articles where criminals are too stupid to recognize who they're farking with. Or if they're smart... they'll rethink their crime to begin with. Sure, they could pull their illegal gun and shoot someone when preparing to commit a robbery, but they also know if they do that if they get caught... the penalty is going to be much much higher. And that in of itself can be a big deterrant.

And honestly, people shouldn't have to be insulted or disrespected to begin with. But they are. And if people want to stop that behavior, open carry is a good way to get that result.
2014-01-14 04:22:23 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Corvus: Hey maybe all of us don't want to live in a country where we feel we must carry a gun around 24/7.

Then don't feel that way.


Pretty much this. Don't want to carry a gun? Don't. DOn't like guns? don't own them. I don't tell people not to ride bicycles or drink fruity coctails or get gay married if they want.
2014-01-14 04:19:25 PM
1 votes:

MFAWG: FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?

It's so that you'll know to not disrespect the carrier.


Makes it easier to kill someone if they are texting during the previews of a movie.
2014-01-14 04:18:52 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: Hey maybe all of us don't want to live in a country where we feel we must carry a gun around 24/7.


Then don't feel that way.
2014-01-14 04:17:54 PM
1 votes:
I don't care what the law is; whenever you take a stroll in public with a gun on your hip, people are going to notice, and some of them are going to freak out.  They're going to call the cops.  And the cops are going to come.  When they get there, they are going to talk to you.  How that conversation goes depends a LOT on your attitude.  If the cop politely asks you to stop freaking out everyone in the mall and please put your gun away, and you agree, then everything will probably be cool.  If the cop politely asks you to stop freaking everyone out and you refuse-better yet, start lecturing him on the Constitution and State statutes-you begin to walk down the narrow path which ends somewhere between you getting a warning and you being tasered in the nuts and thrown in the back of a police car.  Either way, nobody who sees you is going to find themselves "informed" or "aware" of anything that they weren't informed or aware of, before.  And nobody who isn't also an open carry afficienado is going to suddenly have a conversion and decide that they are, in fact, supporters of your rights.  If you want to make a statement or score political points, do it like the real men do-write a check.  You'll get a lot more traction with, and attention from, the people who matter and make decisions.  And it will cost you about the same as what you paid for that tricked out 1911 and Bianchi holster.
2014-01-14 04:16:33 PM
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I LIKES TAH WAVE MY .357 AROUN' AN POINT AT THE LITTLE KIDS CUZ FLAGS CRYING EAGLES AND JAY-ZUSS!!!
2014-01-14 04:16:00 PM
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Headso: Satanic_Hamster: ikanreed: JerseyTim: 99% percent of open carriers look like tools, but it's still better than concealed carry. Concealed carry is like, "ok, if shiat goes down, I can be the hero." At least open is carry is, "Hopefully shiat won't go down if they see my piece."

And the sad thing is, the difference should be completely irrelevant to us gun control advocates.  The not-entirely-justified assumption of them not shooting people for no reason belies both activities.  Whether you see it or not, it can still be used to kill someone without a thought.

To add on; there's also a big difference between open carry of a pistol and of a rifle/shotgun.  If I see someone walking with a holstered pistol/revolver, I'm not paying him much mind.  I see a guy walking through the grocery store parking lot with a long gun, I'm calling the police.

I'm in a rural area so when I see a guy walking through a parking lot with a rifle I'm like oh it's hunting season.


I see that all the time too. These people aren't the ones that worry me. It's the moron who's trying to make a political statement by carrying his AR-15 into the Starbucks just BEGGING for someone to say something so he can go off.
2014-01-14 04:10:42 PM
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ShawnDoc: Or you can come to California where open carry is essentially illegal, and outside one or two counties, it is impossible to get a CCW.


Exactly what problem is California trying to solve by denying CCW apps?  Its not making you any safer.

/now lives in California
//the snowflakes and their idiots they elect here perplex me at times
2014-01-14 04:10:36 PM
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EdNortonsTwin: The reason people open carry is......................it's been a secret until now...................because it's funny to watch people wet themselves when they see a safely holstered pistol.

I'd open carry from time to time if it was legal here.

/ 8.5" thanks for asking.


Eh, 8 and a half inches isn't that big of a gun.
2014-01-14 04:08:19 PM
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That's always been my question; how do we differentiate between the hood going to knock over the quicky-mart, and Mr responsible gun owner? Until it's too late?
2014-01-14 03:56:59 PM
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FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


Yes, the police indeed open carry.
2014-01-14 03:54:42 PM
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Open carry has always been legal in Michigan, it's just more popular with the attention whores now.
2014-01-14 03:54:40 PM
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We had German friends visit us in Phoenix a decade ago, and when going out for lunch we pulled up at a stoplight behind a guy on a crotchrocket with a holstered gun on each hip (because that's the only way you were able to carry). The Germans got all excited "OOH OOH A COWBOY!" and then I got to explain that no, it was just some idiot, because it's really hot there and it boils their already retarded brains, much like an egg.

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2014-01-14 03:46:22 PM
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Wait what?

Open Carry has been legal in Michigan for years. My brother's an open carry supporter.
2014-01-14 03:40:39 PM
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99% percent of open carriers look like tools, but it's still better than concealed carry. Concealed carry is like, "ok, if shiat goes down, I can be the hero." At least open is carry is, "Hopefully shiat won't go down if they see my piece."
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2014-01-14 03:21:37 PM
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FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


So you can let everyone know that you are a real he-man despite appearances.
2014-01-14 03:18:30 PM
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FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


yes

on the OTHER HAND, I think that all carry should be open.
no more concealed carry.

at least that way, you have a clue who is packing and who isnt.

I cant wait to see the no gun signs in chicago stores/restaurants , now that concealed carry is permitted.
 
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