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(MLive.com)   Proponents of Michigan's new open-carry gun law say they're loving their new sense of freedom, and they just wish the cops would remember that open carry is now legal and not to stage high-risk takedowns every time there's a gun call   (mlive.com) divider line 507
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2014-01-15 12:38:50 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: You've repeatedly stated that your purpose in walking around armed is to intimidate others because you are small and afraid. That is one huge red flag. Please seek help.


Oh, no, no, see, assholes believe everyone else is the one with the problem.

/And they're right, we are the one with the problem: them.
 
2014-01-15 12:39:23 AM  
The only thing someone is really trying to say when they are open-carrying is "I could kill you right now, I just choose not to.  I might change my mind, I might not."  It's a power trip. Some people believe this is a good thing.
 
2014-01-15 12:39:24 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Mikey1969: rzrwiresunrise: Kit Fister: rzrwiresunrise: Unfortunately, the in-your-face approach is what's becoming more prominent. There are situations where a weapon is warranted, but that's not what the open-carry movement is about. The movement is about bringing a gun to Starbucks, where we all know gun-toting gangstas with AK's are lyin' in wait take yo' sh*t, amirite? Open-carry thinks it's about de-escalation, but it's actually promoting escalation. Everyone carrying a gun doesn't defuse the environment, nor does it put everyone on equal footing. All it does is make everyone look at each other suspiciously, especially since everyone would be hyper-aware of the damage potential if one began to discharge. Even at the range I and my buddies were acutely aware of everyone who was holding. It was fun, but it was tense, because one bullet is all it takes.

Eh, I'm more in tune to the behaviors of the people with the gun than who has guns. If you look like you're nervous and twitchy, you're higher on the radar than some old man with a gun on.

It wasn't about nervous or twitchy, it was about monitoring everyone's safety awareness, regardless of the safety-rules we would talk about every time we got together. Now imagine everyone has a firearm in a public place and these are people you don't know. I don't know about you,  but I'm not about to assume everyone has my level of safety awareness or training. I'd rather there be no one carrying, including me.

Of course you're leaving out the difference between people carrying in public and people at the range.


People carrying in public tend to leave their guns in the holster, and even if someone does pull their gun out for some reason, it's not 20 people with the express purpose of shooting their guns. It's people who are just doing normal stuff and happen to have a gun with them. It's not like the range at all really.

Then there's no reason to have the gun. They can do their normal stuff unarmed.

One argument presented has been that the worst can happen so a firearm is necessary. If that's the case, the counter-argument can't be that these are just normal situations where people just happen to be carrying. It's disingenuous.


They can do whatever the fark they want, and it really isn't your place to dictate what they can or can't do. As long as they aren't brandishing the weapon, they don't threaten to use the weapon on someone(In some places, even telling an aggressor that you will shoot them is considered assault, although self defense is legal), they don't shoot someone without justification, and they don't use it to commit a crime, then they're doing nothing at all wrong.

As for your scenario, that's absolutely ridiculous. If bad things happen to people, it's not like there is some kind if schedule. They arenjust normal people who happen to be carrying until something happens and they no longer are normal people who happen to be carrying.

This fear of holstered guns is a little sad. I'm not sure I could walk down the street if I was that terrified of inanimate objects. Tanker trucks, semis with hazardous cargo, natural gas vehicles, a propane grill, these things must terrify all of the scared-of-guns crowd. Those things can level an entire building, and a truck full of propane barreling down the road at 80 miles per hour is far more dangerous than a pistol sitting in the holster of the guy in front of you at the 7-11.
 
2014-01-15 12:40:26 AM  
Here's the best part about this thread:

All the leftist shthead gun grabbers go nuts about open carry, except for "trained professionals", and yet the only evidence of open carry dumbassery any one of them will ever be able to cite is, TA DA, from "open carry professionals".

Idiots, the lot of them.
 
2014-01-15 12:41:01 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Weatherkiss: Wow. Serious concern trolling there.

You've repeatedly stated that your purpose in walking around armed is to intimidate others because you are small and afraid. That is one  huge red flag. Please seek help.


And who are you to say who needs help or not? Jesus, get off your high horse.

Here, I can play that game too. Watch.

You're intentionally being daft by taking portions of my statements out of context, please seek help since you might be legally retarded. I only say this because I'm concerned for your personal health and don't want you to drown in your soup without wearing water wings like Peter Griffin.
 
2014-01-15 12:43:01 AM  

Mikey1969: This fear of holstered guns is a little sad. I'm not sure I could walk down the street if I was that terrified of inanimate objects.


Your fear of animate objects is almost as irrational.
 
2014-01-15 12:43:37 AM  

Weatherkiss: You're intentionally being daft by taking portions of my statements out of context


Yeah, no, you're pretty much just an asshole. You said that you're okay with making people afraid:

Weatherkiss: Maybe it's fear, or maybe it's respect. In either case, it gives me peace of mind.


So... yeah, asshole, and probably insane, too. His advice that you should seek help is well-founded.
 
2014-01-15 12:47:57 AM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: demaL-demaL-yeH: So I say we implement a real Militia of the United States, like the Founders did.

We have one.  It's called the National Guard.  As far as I'm concerned, anyone who wants to play with guns is welcome to sign up.


One other small note, citizen, you have a duty:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

That's the oath taken to become a citizen of the United States. If you're not naturalized, bearing arms in defense of the United States is the only responsibility of all the people that is specifically named in the Constitution.
 
2014-01-15 12:48:26 AM  

Weatherkiss: Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.


You are exactly the kind of person who should never be allowed to own a firearm. I'm not kidding at all.

It's scary that you are allowed to own one. You are absolutely the highest risk mental case for being an unresponsible gun owner. In fact, you define it.
 
2014-01-15 12:48:51 AM  

Solutare: Weatherkiss: You're intentionally being daft by taking portions of my statements out of context

Yeah, no, you're pretty much just an asshole. You said that you're okay with making people afraid:

Weatherkiss: Maybe it's fear, or maybe it's respect. In either case, it gives me peace of mind.

So... yeah, asshole, and probably insane, too. His advice that you should seek help is well-founded.


Another Fark Psychiatrist(tm). Lovely.

So tell me, Doctor. What planet do you live on where there is not a brutal society that tries to intimidate and take advantage of other, weaker people? And is this the same planet that is completely devoid of assholes?

And on this planet, if a person 'gets help' does it magically transform them into being invincible when people bigger and more evil than them decide to make them a target?

Because I'd really like to move to this fantastic world. The one I live on has reality. And sorry, if I'm mugged or assaulted in any way then being told it was 'statistically unlikely for it to have happened to me', that isn't going to give me much comfort.
 
2014-01-15 12:51:01 AM  

justtray: Weatherkiss: Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.

You are exactly the kind of person who should never be allowed to own a firearm. I'm not kidding at all.

It's scary that you are allowed to own one. You are absolutely the highest risk mental case for being an unresponsible gun owner. In fact, you define it.


No, no, no, no!  He's a Responsible Gun Owner®  because he hasn't killed or maimed anybody yet!  Until then, he can do whatever the hell he wants with his guns, cuz 'Murka!
 
2014-01-15 12:51:28 AM  

justtray: Weatherkiss: Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.

You are exactly the kind of person who should never be allowed to own a firearm. I'm not kidding at all.

It's scary that you are allowed to own one. You are absolutely the highest risk mental case for being an unresponsible gun owner. In fact, you define it.


Must be Fark Psychiatrist(tm) night here. I'll also ask you the same question I asked the other guy. What world do you live on where people aren't manipulative assholes who have no reservations about taking advantage of others for personal gain?

Noone has yet to refute that our civil society is full of self-serving douchebags. In fact, I think that's a nice healthy segment of all Fark articles that are greenlighted.
 
2014-01-15 12:52:45 AM  

The Name: justtray: Weatherkiss: Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.

You are exactly the kind of person who should never be allowed to own a firearm. I'm not kidding at all.

It's scary that you are allowed to own one. You are absolutely the highest risk mental case for being an unresponsible gun owner. In fact, you define it.

No, no, no, no!  He's a Responsible Gun Owner®  because he hasn't killed or maimed anybody yet!  Until then, he can do whatever the hell he wants with his guns, cuz 'Murka!


Are you saying that Responsible Gun Owners do not exist and every single gun owner who carries a securely holstered, unloaded firearm on them will eventually snap?
 
2014-01-15 12:55:42 AM  

Weatherkiss: demaL-demaL-yeH: See? She is not well and she needs serious help. I fervently hope that she seeks the help she needs before she harms herself or somebody else.

Wow. Serious concern trolling there.

I've been openly carrying for years. It's never crossed my mind to whip out my pistol and shoot others or myself. When I carry, it's when I run errands and more often than not I just see it as another part of my belt to put on.

I passed the state certifications, I've had my background checks. I'm of sound mind and body.

I'm sorry that you think a woman less of five feet in stature who chooses to carry a securely holstered, unloaded pistol on her daily errands constitutes as threatening those around her.

I'm sure you also feel the same way about people who have spiked bracelets, keep brass knuckles on their dashboard, carry swiss army knives on their keychain, have hatchets in their car, and anything else not covered in nerf foam.

For their own safety, that is.

The only people who should be threatened are those who want to bother me. I deal with many transactions when I carry, and since I do not always carry -- I deal with transactions then too.

I will tell you from first-hand experience that the way I am addressed, the tone of voice given to me, the sincerity, and the directness that I am given between having a pistol on and not having a pistol on are like night and day. Maybe it's fear, or maybe it's respect. In either case, it gives me peace of mind.


Ohhh, you have a persecution complex. That makes sense. Actually, all your posts make sense now. I feel bad for you. You should really see a counsellor, it would help. And I'm really not kidding here, you have an actual psychological problem that should be addressed. The way you feel the need to adjust other people's personality toward you should be a HUGE red flag to yourself. That it's not means you need to seek help from the outside.

Please.
 
2014-01-15 12:55:47 AM  

Weatherkiss: Are you saying that Responsible Gun Owners do not exist and every single gun owner who carries a securely holstered, unloaded firearm on them will eventually snap?



Why yes. By default, anyone that carries a gun is insane. Including, for example, rape victims. All timebombs.


Stable people know that violent crime happens in movies.
 
2014-01-15 12:57:10 AM  

Weatherkiss: What planet do you live on where there is not a brutal society that tries to intimidate and take advantage of other, weaker people?


I dunno -- you're the one who wears a gun in order to threaten people who "talk shiat to your face." You're the one who enjoys causing fear in others. Seems to me like you're the problem with society.

Let me make this as plain and simple and clear as I can: you're a bully. Okay? You're a farking bully, and our society would be much improved in your absence.
 
2014-01-15 12:57:18 AM  

Weatherkiss: And who are you to say who needs help or not? Jesus, get off your high horse.

Here, I can play that game too. Watch.

You're intentionally being daft by taking portions of my statements out of context, please seek help since you might be legally retarded. I only say this because I'm concerned for your personal health and don't want you to drown in your soup without wearing water wings like Peter Griffin.


When I see somebody who needs help, it's my responsibility to speak up.
I am not playing a game: Firearms are not toys, or fashion accessories, or extortion tools for eliciting "respect". Firearms are deadly serious.
You have repeatedly said that you walk around armed to intimidate others because you are afraid. That's not me indulging in selective quotation to imply the opposite of what you wrote - it is what you have repeatedly written in this thread.

Seek.
Professional.
Help.
 
2014-01-15 12:57:54 AM  

Toxicphreke: Do you need more to feel better? If you live in the United States you accept and abide by the Constitution of the United States of America. If you feel so strongly about not abiding it...leave. Simple problem solved. You can sleep well tonight....well maybe not tonight..I am sure you are still packing your bags.

There are very few valid reasons to walk around armed in public.
Four come readily to mind:
1) It's hunting season.
2) I am the recipient a valid, credible, and direct threat to my life.
3) My job requires it.
4) I am in a combat zone.

There are a multitude of invalid excuses to walk around armed in public, which all pretty much boil down to armed Walter Mitty syndrome, looking for trouble, paranoia, persecution complex and other mental illnesses, fear, a lack of sound judgment and situational awareness, profound stupidity, inability to accurately assess threats (but I repeat myself), and fear.

I'll step away from your fear for a moment and point out that, from purely a statistical and actuarial standpoint, being around firearms significantly raises the probability of you or someone near and dear to you developing bullet holes.

Since I have personally experienced all four of the above valid reasons for walking around armed in public - hunting season covers one of them and being in combat zones covered the rest -, I will tell you flat out that the United States is not a combat zone; the voices in your head are wrong; and you're far, far more likely to become a gunshot or rape victim in your own home because the perpetrator will be somebody you trust. In ...


Ok...I fell for it...I got trolled..it took your wall of text comment for me to get it...good one bro.


No, actually this was all just you getting totally owned. This takedown was so beautiful and the reply so pathetic and tweeny I had to save this thread. This thread is all the ammo any control prononent ever needs.

The best thing a gun nut can do to further their position is not speak. I've said it from the start, and they just don't listen.
 
2014-01-15 12:58:43 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: When I see somebody who needs help, it's my responsibility to speak up.



Haha. Nothing more important than a fool with an obligation. And I bet you despise evangelicals. Oh, irony.

Shut
The
Fark
Up
 
2014-01-15 12:59:08 AM  

justtray: Ohhh, you have a persecution complex. That makes sense. Actually, all your posts make sense now. I feel bad for you. You should really see a counsellor, it would help. And I'm really not kidding here, you have an actual psychological problem that should be addressed. The way you feel the need to adjust other people's personality toward you should be a HUGE red flag to yourself. That it's not means you need to seek help from the outside.

Please.


I've seen a lot in my life. I've had bad taste in boyfriends. And I grew up in a rural area where the sheriff was more than 20 minutes away if there was an emergency.

I've never felt persecuted, only paranoid. A lot of people in my every day life are much bigger than I am. Like I asked someone a while back -- walk a mile in my shoes, and then maybe you'll understand why I choose to carry even if you don't agree with my reasons why.

Still wondering what planet some of you live on that isn't full of assholes. I'd love to move there.
 
2014-01-15 12:59:37 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: You've repeatedly stated that your purpose in walking around armed is to intimidate others because you are small and afraid. That is one huge red flag. Please seek help.


Wow, funny I said the exact same thing...... She won't though, we both know that.
 
2014-01-15 01:01:08 AM  

Shryke: Here's the best part about this thread:

All the leftist shthead gun grabbers go nuts about open carry, except for "trained professionals", and yet the only evidence of open carry dumbassery any one of them will ever be able to cite is, TA DA, from "open carry professionals".

Idiots, the lot of them.


How did you get yourself off my ignore list? I don't get it.
 
2014-01-15 01:02:44 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: UndeadPoetsSociety: demaL-demaL-yeH: So I say we implement a real Militia of the United States, like the Founders did.

We have one.  It's called the National Guard.  As far as I'm concerned, anyone who wants to play with guns is welcome to sign up.

One other small note, citizen, you have a duty:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."



I highlighted the relevant bit.  Also nowhere does the Constitution require that the militia consist of everybody, every adult, nor even every able-bodied man.  It allows Congress to "
provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
 "

So, right now, that provision consists of the National Guard, which meets all of these criteria, and is therefore the U.S. militia.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:35 AM  
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2014-01-15 01:04:39 AM  

Weatherkiss: You're intentionally being daft by taking portions of my statements out of context, please seek help since you might be legally retarded. I only say this because I'm concerned for your personal health and don't want you to drown in your soup without wearing water wings like Peter Griffin.


Since I said the same thing, what exactly was out of context when you said that you open carry because it forces people to adjust their attitude towards you? Please, do elaborate.

Weatherkiss: justtray: Weatherkiss: Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.

You are exactly the kind of person who should never be allowed to own a firearm. I'm not kidding at all.

It's scary that you are allowed to own one. You are absolutely the highest risk mental case for being an unresponsible gun owner. In fact, you define it.

Must be Fark Psychiatrist(tm) night here. I'll also ask you the same question I asked the other guy. What world do you live on where people aren't manipulative assholes who have no reservations about taking advantage of others for personal gain?

Noone has yet to refute that our civil society is full of self-serving douchebags. In fact, I think that's a nice healthy segment of all Fark articles that are greenlighted.


Do you really believe what you're saying?

I'll play my Dr. Drew card if you think you can handle it. I'm willing to bet you were sexually abused as a child. Should we go on?
 
2014-01-15 01:06:47 AM  

justtray: I'll play my Dr. Drew card if you think you can handle it.


I don't care to waste any more time on her, but if you want my opinion -- she's a Cluster B. I can smell 'em a mile away by this point.
 
2014-01-15 01:07:54 AM  

Weatherkiss: justtray: Ohhh, you have a persecution complex. That makes sense. Actually, all your posts make sense now. I feel bad for you. You should really see a counsellor, it would help. And I'm really not kidding here, you have an actual psychological problem that should be addressed. The way you feel the need to adjust other people's personality toward you should be a HUGE red flag to yourself. That it's not means you need to seek help from the outside.

Please.

I've seen a lot in my life. I've had bad taste in boyfriends. And I grew up in a rural area where the sheriff was more than 20 minutes away if there was an emergency.

I've never felt persecuted, only paranoid. A lot of people in my every day life are much bigger than I am. Like I asked someone a while back -- walk a mile in my shoes, and then maybe you'll understand why I choose to carry even if you don't agree with my reasons why.

Still wondering what planet some of you live on that isn't full of assholes. I'd love to move there.


Look, ignore the rest of the shiat I wrote.

I'm certain your life has been rough, and that really sucks. I feel for you. Maybe you should try to escape whatever situation you're in. If everyone around you really is that much an asshole, get the hell out of there. I promise you, the world is not like that. Some people are mean, but a vast, vast majority are good, even those that disagree with you on everything.

I don't even want to be mean to you. I just want to help you realize the world isn't just shiat.
 
2014-01-15 01:09:24 AM  

Toxicphreke: [s2.quickmeme.com image 625x475]


Kid, one of the first things you learn on fark is that calling people who you can't logically keep up with trolls is one of the easiest ways to look like a total moron.

Congratulations.
 
2014-01-15 01:10:28 AM  

Solutare: I dunno -- you're the one who wears a gun in order to threaten people who "talk shiat to your face." You're the one who enjoys causing fear in others. Seems to me like you're the problem with society.

Let me make this as plain and simple and clear as I can: you're a bully. Okay? You're a farking bully, and our society would be much improved in your absence.


I'm a bully for carrying a securely holstered, unloaded pistol on my belt while running my daily errands? This is the biggest case of projection I've seen tonight. You're repeatedly patronizing and concern trolling over a person who legally carries an unloaded pistol on her, telling her to get help because she's tired of being a victim. Blaming the victim died out a while ago, I hate to tell you.

demaL-demaL-yeH: When I see somebody who needs help, it's my responsibility to speak up.


You aren't Spider-Man or Superman. You're a human being with a fragile human body. With fragile human organs.

 I am not playing a game: Firearms are not toys, or fashion accessories, or extortion tools for eliciting "respect". Firearms are deadly serious.
You have repeatedly said that you walk around armed to intimidate others because you are afraid. That's not me indulging in selective quotation to imply the opposite of what you wrote - it is what you have repeatedly written in this thread.


No, that's pretty much you indulging in selective quotation. You're taking the motive for why I carry out of context. You are completely ignoring the fact that A: I have been a victim before. B: I'm trained and legally allowed to carry. Which means knowing when to fire and when not to. C: I've never considered harming another person with my pistol, nor myself. D: We live in a society where people are self-serving assholes who have no problem taking advantage of people they perceive as weak.

When you insert my so-called 'intimidation' motive in there, it begins to make sense. But when you take it out, it makes me seem like a crazy person. "She just wants to scare people! Omg! Lock her away!"

"I think amputation of that limb is something to be considered, but hopefully as long as you continue to improve that won't have to be an issue, and let's hope it isn't." does not mean "Omg the doctor is thinking about taking my arm off when I'm healthy and improving!"
 
2014-01-15 01:10:55 AM  

Mikey1969: This fear of holstered guns is a little sad. I'm not sure I could walk down the street if I was that terrified of inanimate objects. Tanker trucks, semis with hazardous cargo, natural gas vehicles, a propane grill, these things must terrify all of the scared-of-guns crowd. Those things can level an entire building, and a truck full of propane barreling down the road at 80 miles per hour is far more dangerous than a pistol sitting in the holster of the guy in front of you at the 7-11.


Mikey, we both know that the streets of the United States are not a combat zone. We also both know that, of all the objects you named, only one is deliberately designed for the purpose of killing. (Save the bullshiat sophistries for somebody who's gullible. Like that one guy at your local watering hole.) And let's be perfectly clear, I am not fearful of firearms. I was raised to have a healthy respect for what they can do and trained to do it well. I spend the sweat, time, and treasure to remain proficient.

The guy in the 7-11 is, at the very least, afraid. He probably has other issues.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:29 AM  

justtray: Do you really believe what you're saying?

I'll play my Dr. Drew card if you think you can handle it. I'm willing to bet you were sexually abused as a child. Should we go on?


Not even close. You're a horrible psycho-analyst. This is real life, not CSI: Special Victims unit. People are assholes. Convince me the world is not full of assholes and I'll discard my pistol.

justtray: Look, ignore the rest of the shiat I wrote.

I'm certain your life has been rough, and that really sucks. I feel for you. Maybe you should try to escape whatever situation you're in. If everyone around you really is that much an asshole, get the hell out of there. I promise you, the world is not like that. Some people are mean, but a vast, vast majority are good, even those that disagree with you on everything.

I don't even want to be mean to you. I just want to help you realize the world isn't just shiat.


A random guy on the internet is telling me the world is not shiat while calling me mentally unstable and not deserving of carrying a holstered, unloaded pistol on my person to deter people from being an asshole to me.

Sounds legit. The world is full of saints and angels where they treat each other like cute little puppies.
 
2014-01-15 01:20:51 AM  

m00: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Surprise, you don't actually have the right to threaten people without recourse. Openly carrying weapons, as people are trying to explain to you, is a form of threat. Unsurprisingly, many would argue open carry laws are eroding civil society because they introduce a threatening element where there previously was none, and are troubled by this development

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............. that's a dangerous argument. Anything can be perceived by anyone as a threat. If we want to ban all things that someone may consider a threat, welcome to having no rights.

Or do you mean just banning things you consider a threat, or just banning guns and the threat thing was just a justification?


I said nothing about banning things.  I said if I see any basic schmo carrying a pistol in a holster or a rifle slung over his back, I'm going to treat that as a threat.  I'm leaving.  Starbucks or the mall shops or the movie theater can suffer the consequences.
 
2014-01-15 01:23:20 AM  

The Name: Mikey1969: This fear of holstered guns is a little sad. I'm not sure I could walk down the street if I was that terrified of inanimate objects.

Your fear of animate objects is almost as irrational.


Really? Any time a criminal kills a victim, it's the animate object doing the killing.

Besides, preparation isn't fear. I wear my seatbelt not because I'm afraid of getting in a car wreck, but because I am being prepared (Also because the car beeps and beeps and beeps and beeps if I don't). I also have jumper cables in the back and a basic emergency kit. Not because I know that I'm ever going to need them, but because if I DO need them, then I have them right there.

I figured out at about 8 years old that someone standing in front of me at a store with a gun on his hip was about as worrisome as someone at the park with a baseball bat. I know I developed some rather sophisticated concepts early, but this never seemed like one of those.
 
2014-01-15 01:24:20 AM  

Weatherkiss: justtray: Do you really believe what you're saying?

I'll play my Dr. Drew card if you think you can handle it. I'm willing to bet you were sexually abused as a child. Should we go on?

Not even close. You're a horrible psycho-analyst. This is real life, not CSI: Special Victims unit. People are assholes. Convince me the world is not full of assholes and I'll discard my pistol.

justtray: Look, ignore the rest of the shiat I wrote.

I'm certain your life has been rough, and that really sucks. I feel for you. Maybe you should try to escape whatever situation you're in. If everyone around you really is that much an asshole, get the hell out of there. I promise you, the world is not like that. Some people are mean, but a vast, vast majority are good, even those that disagree with you on everything.

I don't even want to be mean to you. I just want to help you realize the world isn't just shiat.

A random guy on the internet is telling me the world is not shiat while calling me mentally unstable and not deserving of carrying a holstered, unloaded pistol on my person to deter people from being an asshole to me.

Sounds legit. The world is full of saints and angels where they treat each other like cute little puppies.


I can only think of one single solution to your angst, dude.  Life must be utterly miserable for you.
 
2014-01-15 01:26:35 AM  

Shryke: demaL-demaL-yeH: When I see somebody who needs help, it's my responsibility to speak up.


Haha. Nothing more important than a fool with an obligation. And I bet you despise evangelicals. Oh, irony.

Shut
The
Fark
Up


I do despise evangelicals: They proselytize in order to do me some mythical good.
Telling a sick person to seek help is doing everybody good in reality. Think of it as a positive act of self-defense where society as a whole benefits along with her.
You can't read that woman's posts, where she gives her "reasons" for carrying a firearm in public, and tell me that you aren't hearing "tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick".
 
2014-01-15 01:30:47 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Telling a sick person to seek help is doing everybody good in reality. Think of it as a positive act of self-defense where society as a whole benefits along with her.
You can't read that woman's posts, where she gives her "reasons" for carrying a firearm in public, and tell me that you aren't hearing "tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick".


I think you sound a whole lot more farking paranoid and scared than I could ever hope to be. But keep blaming the victims for refusing to be afraid any longer, I'm sure it'll work out for you someday.
 
2014-01-15 01:34:33 AM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: I highlighted the relevant bit.  Also nowhere does the Constitution require that the militia consist of everybody, every adult, nor even every able-bodied man.  It allows Congress to "
provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
 "

So, right now, that provision consists of the National Guard, which meets all of these criteria, and is therefore the U.S. militia.


No, Congress drafted everybody into the Militia, but utterly failed to organize, arm, or discipline it. The National Guard is a half-assed solution backed by the utterly dimwitted clusterfark that is the "unorganized" Militia.
 
2014-01-15 01:36:40 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Everybody must participate as fully as possible. No exceptions. No excuses.


So the Constitution no longer applies to the elderly or people with disabilities.  Nice.  And you are ignoring the Heller decision, which states that the right to keep and bear arms is unconnected with any service in the militia.  In fact, you're arguing for something unheard of, that only the militia is allowed to keep and bear arms.

I knew there was a reason I had you ignored and labeled "complete lunatic."
 
2014-01-15 01:38:57 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Mikey1969: This fear of holstered guns is a little sad. I'm not sure I could walk down the street if I was that terrified of inanimate objects. Tanker trucks, semis with hazardous cargo, natural gas vehicles, a propane grill, these things must terrify all of the scared-of-guns crowd. Those things can level an entire building, and a truck full of propane barreling down the road at 80 miles per hour is far more dangerous than a pistol sitting in the holster of the guy in front of you at the 7-11.

Mikey, we both know that the streets of the United States are not a combat zone. We also both know that, of all the objects you named, only one is deliberately designed for the purpose of killing. (Save the bullshiat sophistries for somebody who's gullible. Like that one guy at your local watering hole.) And let's be perfectly clear, I am not fearful of firearms. I was raised to have a healthy respect for what they can do and trained to do it well. I spend the sweat, time, and treasure to remain proficient.

The guy in the 7-11 is, at the very least, afraid. He probably has other issues.


It doesn't matter what they are designed for, they are far more dangerous, and it must suck to be that terrified of inanimate objects. Hell, knives were designed to kill long before people Starr d to use them to scrape fat from the hide of their kills.

And there is no reason to assume that the guy has any "issues" or is "afraid". Merely being prepared for a situation does not indicate issues, and it takes either a moron or a liar to keep making those claims.

I've actually met someone as paranoid as you idiots keep implying gun owners are. This guy lived on a couple of acres of desert in AZ, his house had 3 foot thick walls filled with volcanic cinders to stop bullets, AMD if you walked anywhere on his property, it was smart to go with someone who knew the place, just in case you found one of his booby traps.

Unfortunately for you guys, none of you have presented am example that is even 1% as paranoid/fearful as this guy really was, and I've never met anyone else like this in my life, nor has anyone I've ever told the story to. With the occasional exception, your paranoid, living in fear gun nut, ready to explode at a mouse fart is nothing more than a straw man because you actually have nothing to offer to the debate, but really want to score a Bazinga! on everyone.

Pathetic. Like wearing your socks and underwear in the shower...
 
2014-01-15 01:47:47 AM  

Weatherkiss: demaL-demaL-yeH: Telling a sick person to seek help is doing everybody good in reality. Think of it as a positive act of self-defense where society as a whole benefits along with her.
You can't read that woman's posts, where she gives her "reasons" for carrying a firearm in public, and tell me that you aren't hearing "tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick".

I think you sound a whole lot more farking paranoid and scared than I could ever hope to be. But keep blaming the victims for refusing to be afraid any longer, I'm sure it'll work out for you someday.


You tell us you were raped. That's an extremely traumatic experience. Your response was to buy a deadly weapon and walk around in public with it strapped to you.
Additionally, you claim that the world you're trapped in is full of greedy, grasping, manipulative bastards out to rape you - figuratively and literally - again.
You're of short stature, but you are intimidating and strong and more powerful than tall, strong men because you carry death on your hip. You are afraid. You've said so in many ways. You've even admitted your paranoia.

You've trapped yourself in a dystopian Randian nightmare parody of the United States.

In reality, the overwhelming majority people are good, decent, and hard-working. They love their families, value their friends, and, if you make the effort to get to know them, tend to be good neighbors. My neighbors are. Reality is, h. sap. sap. is a herd animal, and we do best when we have healthy interactions with other members of the herd.

You are ill. Seek help.
 
2014-01-15 01:49:56 AM  

The Name: Farker Soze: The Name: Farker Soze: Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: I have proposed a solution that preserves the letter and spirit of the Constitution and fulfills the explicitly stated intentions of the Founders while reducing public danger and making room for solid budget cuts.

I'd like to hear this and I don't feel like scrolling through the shiat-flinging nonsense that constitutes this thread.

Give him all the guns, because you don't need them. He knows what you need. Trust him, he was a soldier, he's got your best interests in mind.

Hey now, don't piss him off TOO much.  I have it on the good authority of many Fark gun nuts that the military going turncoat is expected to be indispensable to the success of Revolutionary War II: Hoveround Hellfire.

You should shut up and lay low after your massive self ownage, Mr "I contribute to the poor and sacrificed my health for them by teaching college history!"  Go taunt some more rape victims, you seem good at that.

Lol.  I'm not trolling, but I'm beginning to see how it's fun.  Mr. "I write government checks for an unnamed agency that go to a vague class of people who are underprivileged for one reason or another," had you spent the past semester in my class, you would be a much better writer; heck, some of my students who came in virtually illiterate could now probably teach you a great deal.

Oh, and if we want to talk about how I'm contributing to helping the underclass, at least two of my students intend to teach high school history when they graduate.  So yeah, I may not be down in the gutters teaching inner-city school kids, or whatever image you have of what I should be doing, but I'm working 70 hours a week to equip a younger generation to do just that.


Get a load of the ego on this troll. Changing the world and saving humanity, 3 elective credits at a time.
 
2014-01-15 01:49:59 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: In reality, the overwhelming majority people are good, decent, and hard-working.


Except for the gun owners, of course.
 
2014-01-15 01:50:41 AM  

Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: Everybody must participate as fully as possible. No exceptions. No excuses.

So the Constitution no longer applies to the elderly or people with disabilities.  Nice.  And you are ignoring the Heller decision, which states that the right to keep and bear arms is unconnected with any service in the militia.  In fact, you're arguing for something unheard of, that only the militia is allowed to keep and bear arms.

I knew there was a reason I had you ignored and labeled "complete lunatic."


No, nimrod, they are full Militia members who must participate to the extent they are able. There is no retirement, just as military "retirement" pay is really retainer pay and "retirees" are subject to recall to active duty.
 
2014-01-15 01:58:20 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: You tell us you were raped. That's an extremely traumatic experience. Your response was to buy a deadly weapon and walk around in public with it strapped to you.
Additionally, you claim that the world you're trapped in is full of greedy, grasping, manipulative bastards out to rape you - figuratively and literally - again.
You're of short stature, but you are intimidating and strong and more powerful than tall, strong men because you carry death on your hip. You are afraid. You've said so in many ways. You've even admitted your paranoia.

You've trapped yourself in a dystopian Randian nightmare parody of the United States.

In reality, the overwhelming majority people are good, decent, and hard-working. They love their families, value their friends, and, if you make the effort to get to know them, tend to be good neighbors. My neighbors are. Reality is, h. sap. sap. is a herd animal, and we do best when we have healthy interactions with other members of the herd.

You are ill. Seek help.


I never said I was raped. I never said I was sexually abused. What is with you misogynists and automatically assuming every time a woman realizes the world is farking horrible your twisted minds immediately go towards sexual assault?

You might have thought I implied it, but I never went into specifics. Because my specifics aren't that important.

You guys really just can't stop thinking about a woman being humiliated in that way, can you? And you think I'm the one that needs help when you can't stop thinking about some woman getting raped or sexually abused as a child?
 
2014-01-15 01:59:38 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: Everybody must participate as fully as possible. No exceptions. No excuses.

So the Constitution no longer applies to the elderly or people with disabilities.  Nice.  And you are ignoring the Heller decision, which states that the right to keep and bear arms is unconnected with any service in the militia.  In fact, you're arguing for something unheard of, that only the militia is allowed to keep and bear arms.

I knew there was a reason I had you ignored and labeled "complete lunatic."

No, nimrod, they are full Militia members who must participate to the extent they are able. There is no retirement, just as military "retirement" pay is really retainer pay and "retirees" are subject to recall to active duty.


So, you want compulsory military service as a prereq for exercising a Constitutional right, that is according to the Supreme Court "unconnected with service in the militia."

I appreciate your military service, but that does not make you an authority, it does not make your arguments, your opinions hold any more weight or validity.  I think your idea is stupid, and I don't support compulsory military service because I don't believe in fighting wars of aggression for Israel and corporate America.
 
2014-01-15 02:02:50 AM  

Mikey1969: Pathetic. Like wearing your socks and underwear in the shower...


No, what's pathetic is that more than 100,000 Americans every year suffer from Firearm "Unlucky" Sudden Onset Bullethole Syndrome. We also have a fat, untrained and mistrained populace who lack any real proficiency with their firearms, are unable to walk a quarter mile without medical intervention, let alone use the most rudimentary of small unit tactics, but are still considered to be the "last line of defense" for this country. What's infuriating is that Congress could fix this easily.

What's disgusting is that I don't get to don my combat boots, slap some kiwi on them, and "polish" them to a high gloss on the backsides of Fark secessionists so my children won't have to do a Sherman on them.
 
2014-01-15 02:03:36 AM  
So if owning a gun means I have a small penis, if I sell it and spend my days feeding ducks in the park and attending operas will people think I'm packing a 12-incher?
 
2014-01-15 02:05:11 AM  

Weatherkiss: demaL-demaL-yeH: You tell us you were raped. That's an extremely traumatic experience. Your response was to buy a deadly weapon and walk around in public with it strapped to you.
Additionally, you claim that the world you're trapped in is full of greedy, grasping, manipulative bastards out to rape you - figuratively and literally - again.
You're of short stature, but you are intimidating and strong and more powerful than tall, strong men because you carry death on your hip. You are afraid. You've said so in many ways. You've even admitted your paranoia.

You've trapped yourself in a dystopian Randian nightmare parody of the United States.

In reality, the overwhelming majority people are good, decent, and hard-working. They love their families, value their friends, and, if you make the effort to get to know them, tend to be good neighbors. My neighbors are. Reality is, h. sap. sap. is a herd animal, and we do best when we have healthy interactions with other members of the herd.

You are ill. Seek help.

I never said I was raped. I never said I was sexually abused. What is with you misogynists and automatically assuming every time a woman realizes the world is farking horrible your twisted minds immediately go towards sexual assault?

You might have thought I implied it, but I never went into specifics. Because my specifics aren't that important.

You guys really just can't stop thinking about a woman being humiliated in that way, can you? And you think I'm the one that needs help when you can't stop thinking about some woman getting raped or sexually abused as a child?


You don't need to explain to anybody why you're lawfully carrying a weapon, especially not these people.  You have a right to choose not to be a victim, and if you can't trust the authorities, that's on them, not you.  If they have a problem they can leave and whine about it on the internet.
 
2014-01-15 02:06:19 AM  

Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: Everybody must participate as fully as possible. No exceptions. No excuses.

So the Constitution no longer applies to the elderly or people with disabilities.  Nice.  And you are ignoring the Heller decision, which states that the right to keep and bear arms is unconnected with any service in the militia.  In fact, you're arguing for something unheard of, that only the militia is allowed to keep and bear arms.

I knew there was a reason I had you ignored and labeled "complete lunatic."

No, nimrod, they are full Militia members who must participate to the extent they are able. There is no retirement, just as military "retirement" pay is really retainer pay and "retirees" are subject to recall to active duty.

So, you want compulsory military service as a prereq for exercising a Constitutional right, that is according to the Supreme Court "unconnected with service in the militia."

I appreciate your military service, but that does not make you an authority, it does not make your arguments, your opinions hold any more weight or validity.  I think your idea is stupid, and I don't support compulsory military service because I don't believe in fighting wars of aggression for Israel and corporate America.


No, nimrod, it's not a prerequisite: It's the constitutionally-specified responsibility that goes with the constitutionally-named right.
The Founders required Militia members to buy arms.
 
2014-01-15 02:07:49 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Mikey1969: Pathetic. Like wearing your socks and underwear in the shower...

No, what's pathetic is that more than 100,000 Americans every year suffer from Firearm "Unlucky" Sudden Onset Bullethole Syndrome. We also have a fat, untrained and mistrained populace who lack any real proficiency with their firearms, are unable to walk a quarter mile without medical intervention, let alone use the most rudimentary of small unit tactics, but are still considered to be the "last line of defense" for this country. What's infuriating is that Congress could fix this easily.

What's disgusting is that I don't get to don my combat boots, slap some kiwi on them, and "polish" them to a high gloss on the backsides of Fark secessionists so my children won't have to do a Sherman on them.


I finally get it.  You're couching your hatred of people you disagree with politically in this delusional militia scheme because you want actual brownshirts.  You want to control, you want to subjugate.  You want to punish.  You're a totalitarian.
 
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