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(MLive.com)   Proponents of Michigan's new open-carry gun law say they're loving their new sense of freedom, and they just wish the cops would remember that open carry is now legal and not to stage high-risk takedowns every time there's a gun call   (mlive.com) divider line 509
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2014-01-14 09:44:12 PM  

Corvus: Hey maybe all of us don't want to live in a country where we feel we must carry a gun around 24/7.


Actually you don't live in such a place. But if you live in the US you do live in a country where if you want to carry a gun 24 hours a day that option is available to you. Unless you live in one of the formerly free parts of the country where the uber-wealthy have decided that for their own personal safety you must be made helpless. Those same ones who are surrounded 24/7, often at YOUR expense, with armed bodyguards.
 
2014-01-14 09:46:27 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Toxicphreke: If all of you pants wetters are so intent on living in a country without guns.....there is nothing stopping you from doing that. I can even provide you with links to airlines if you are having trouble moving to Australia or England.

1. Do you carry a firearm?
b. What are the reasons you carry a firearm?


www.united.com
www.aa.com
www.delta.com
www.qantas.com.au/

Do you need more to feel better? If you live in the United States you accept and abide by the Constitution of the United States of America. If you feel so strongly about not abiding it...leave. Simple problem solved. You can sleep well tonight....well maybe not tonight..I am sure you are still packing your bags.
 
2014-01-14 09:51:18 PM  

ex-nuke: Unless you live in one of the formerly free parts of the country where the uber-wealthy have decided that for their own personal safety you must be made helpless.


Were our 300 million guns actually being used to wage literal class warfare, you'd have a point.
 
2014-01-14 09:53:34 PM  

WillJM8528: If you want to carry a weapon in the Army you have to pass the ASVAB, pass a physical and mental exam, then prove to a Drill Sergeant that you can handle it without blowing your (or your buddies) brains out.


Hahahahahahahaha. Are you seriously suggesting for even a second that any of that is difficult? Come on son, that's just absurd. There were so many "ND's" fired into that fkn sand barrel outside our barracks in my basic class that you'd have thought they handed the bullets out when we got back from the range.
 
2014-01-14 10:01:36 PM  

Mikey1969: rzrwiresunrise: Kit Fister: rzrwiresunrise: Unfortunately, the in-your-face approach is what's becoming more prominent. There are situations where a weapon is warranted, but that's not what the open-carry movement is about. The movement is about bringing a gun to Starbucks, where we all know gun-toting gangstas with AK's are lyin' in wait take yo' sh*t, amirite? Open-carry thinks it's about de-escalation, but it's actually promoting escalation. Everyone carrying a gun doesn't defuse the environment, nor does it put everyone on equal footing. All it does is make everyone look at each other suspiciously, especially since everyone would be hyper-aware of the damage potential if one began to discharge. Even at the range I and my buddies were acutely aware of everyone who was holding. It was fun, but it was tense, because one bullet is all it takes.

Eh, I'm more in tune to the behaviors of the people with the gun than who has guns. If you look like you're nervous and twitchy, you're higher on the radar than some old man with a gun on.

It wasn't about nervous or twitchy, it was about monitoring everyone's safety awareness, regardless of the safety-rules we would talk about every time we got together. Now imagine everyone has a firearm in a public place and these are people you don't know. I don't know about you,  but I'm not about to assume everyone has my level of safety awareness or training. I'd rather there be no one carrying, including me.

Of course you're leaving out the difference between people carrying in public and people at the range.


People carrying in public tend to leave their guns in the holster, and even if someone does pull their gun out for some reason, it's not 20 people with the express purpose of shooting their guns. It's people who are just doing normal stuff and happen to have a gun with them. It's not like the range at all really.


Then there's no reason to have the gun. They can do their normal stuff unarmed.

One argument presented has been that the worst can happen so a firearm is necessary. If that's the case, the counter-argument can't be that these are just normal situations where people just happen to be carrying. It's disingenuous.
 
A7
2014-01-14 10:11:08 PM  
Nothing "New" about Open Carry in Michigan.
"Michigan is a traditional open carry state. Open carry is more common in rural areas. You may NOT open carry in a car without a permit. However, Michigan recognizes the  resident permits of all 50 states. ..."
http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=257

The Boot-Strap Expat
http://7thpillar.wordpress.com/
 
2014-01-14 10:16:56 PM  

The Name: ex-nuke: Unless you live in one of the formerly free parts of the country where the uber-wealthy have decided that for their own personal safety you must be made helpless.

Were our 300 million guns actually being used to wage literal class warfare, you'd have a point.


his point is fine. What are you talking about?
 
2014-01-14 10:17:15 PM  

The Name: And don't you DARE suggest that guns are psychological substitutes for penises!


demaL-demaL-yeH: This is one of the more stupid things I have read this year.


So I'm assuming both of you have spoken to a police officer before. Or perhaps either of you have spoken to someone who openly carried.

In the case of the police officer, "Some people respect the badge, everybody respects the gun."

Or maybe one or both of you have felt someone else putting your life in danger where you felt completely helpless. How many times have either of you been raped or mugged? How about your mothers, sisters, or your daughters? How many times have you personally had to deal with pushy people when you were at your weakest?

If the presence of a person openly carrying a gun does not give off a signal that they are not to be farked with, then why are you bed-wetters so adamant about not allowing people to openly carry? Obviously if the people carrying them are weak or using them as penis substitutes and nothing more, then what the fark do you care?

If they're so impotent that they need a gun, what do you care? Obviously they're beneath you.

And obviously your female family members can just get raped like a pro and you'd mock them for feeling weak, paranoid, and helpless next time they go out the door by themselves?

Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.
 
2014-01-14 10:17:17 PM  
I'm really tired of the assumption that I'm supposed to feel safer with a group of gun-toting douchebags in the vicinity.
 
2014-01-14 10:24:22 PM  

kregh99: I'm really tired of the assumption that I'm supposed to

not feel safer with a group of gun-toting douchebags law abiding citizensin the vicinity.

Fixed that for you
 
2014-01-14 10:30:01 PM  

Weatherkiss: Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.


Ladies and gentlemen, your average gun owner.
 
2014-01-14 10:37:04 PM  

The Name: Weatherkiss: Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.

Ladies and gentlemen, your average gun owner.


Bet it just burns you up that you have to change your attitude when addressing someone who is carrying a holstered pistol in plain sight. You have to think twice before trying to manipulate them, don't you? Knowing that you have to treat the person with respect? Is that such a foreign feeling for you to treat strangers with respect?

You're so used to treating people like dirt under your fingernails, or seeing other people as potential ATM machines or labor if you push the right buttons on them that when you see a person safely carrying a pistol around it throws you off your game since you have to reconsider it?

Or maybe you think women should just mugged or raped and shrug it off and say that statistically it should never happen to them again. Does that make them feel better, you think? Knowing that they were in the statistical minority? Do you think they take comfort in knowing they're only a minority in a statistic so they shouldn't be able to carry a pistol around?
 
2014-01-14 10:40:00 PM  

FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


You could make basically the same argument for glasses.

After all, contact lenses are a thing, so clearly anyone wearing frames must be trying to look like a douche.

Clearly, horn-rims should be illegal.
 
2014-01-14 10:40:22 PM  

Weatherkiss: You have to think twice before trying to manipulate them, don't you?


And don't you DARE suggest that gun enthusiasts are paranoid.
 
2014-01-14 10:43:26 PM  

The Name: Weatherkiss: You have to think twice before trying to manipulate them, don't you?

And don't you DARE suggest that gun enthusiasts are paranoid.


Pretty sure I said I was paranoid before. So you're trying to prove a point that was never attempted to be made.

I'm sure if Mommy The Name was ever raped or mugged and she told you that she wanted to carry a pistol around to feel safer, you'd mock her and tell her that she's just being paranoid. I'm sure she'd shrug her shoulders and say you were right and that the whole rape or mugging was just a statistic and not an actual experience for her.
 
2014-01-14 10:48:03 PM  

Weatherkiss: The Name: Weatherkiss: You have to think twice before trying to manipulate them, don't you?

And don't you DARE suggest that gun enthusiasts are paranoid.

Pretty sure I said I was paranoid before. So you're trying to prove a point that was never attempted to be made.

I'm sure if Mommy The Name was ever raped or mugged and she told you that she wanted to carry a pistol around to feel safer, you'd mock her and tell her that she's just being paranoid. I'm sure she'd shrug her shoulders and say you were right and that the whole rape or mugging was just a statistic and not an actual experience for her.


Ah, mother-rape.  The non-Godwin Godwin.
 
2014-01-14 10:49:01 PM  

Weatherkiss: The Name: Weatherkiss: Go fark yourselves. You know damn well if you ever address a person with a pistol safely holstered on their hip you aren't going to talk shiat to their face. And maybe that's what upsets you so much. Someone has something that can hurt you in plain sight, and you can't do anything about it. They don't have to be using it. It just has to be present. And maybe your little internet tough guy balls just shrivel into raisins knowing that maybe it isn't a good idea to treat them like shiat like you do other people in your day to day lives.

Ladies and gentlemen, your average gun owner.

Bet it just burns you up that you have to change your attitude when addressing someone who is carrying a holstered pistol in plain sight. You have to think twice before trying to manipulate them, don't you? Knowing that you have to treat the person with respect? Is that such a foreign feeling for you to treat strangers with respect?

You're so used to treating people like dirt under your fingernails, or seeing other people as potential ATM machines or labor if you push the right buttons on them that when you see a person safely carrying a pistol around it throws you off your game since you have to reconsider it?

Or maybe you think women should just mugged or raped and shrug it off and say that statistically it should never happen to them again. Does that make them feel better, you think? Knowing that they were in the statistical minority? Do you think they take comfort in knowing they're only a minority in a statistic so they shouldn't be able to carry a pistol around?


Forget it, kiss, he's trolling. Ivory tower elitist history profs such as him don't give a damn about the lesser people's every day problems, let alone feelings. I mean, he actually said above he considers teaching rich college kids ancient history his life contribution to the underclass. The nerve. For a ball less wonder, what balls.
 
2014-01-14 10:53:08 PM  

The Name: Weatherkiss: The Name: Weatherkiss: You have to think twice before trying to manipulate them, don't you?

And don't you DARE suggest that gun enthusiasts are paranoid.

Pretty sure I said I was paranoid before. So you're trying to prove a point that was never attempted to be made.

I'm sure if Mommy The Name was ever raped or mugged and she told you that she wanted to carry a pistol around to feel safer, you'd mock her and tell her that she's just being paranoid. I'm sure she'd shrug her shoulders and say you were right and that the whole rape or mugging was just a statistic and not an actual experience for her.

Ah, mother-rape.  The non-Godwin Godwin.


So you don't dispute that you would treat your mother like any other person who wanted to carry a pistol after a life-altering experience and mock her.

You also apparently dispute that manipulative or intimidating people do not exist in the world, and that if such people did exist the only way they could be intimidating or manipulative is if they had a firearm on them.

You ever met a guy bigger than you? How about 2 or 3 feet taller? 3 times as bulky? And say he wanted you to do something for him. Didn't have to be illegal, but you really didn't want to do it. Could be the smallest of things, but it'd inconvenience and bother you regardless and you did it for fear of him being able to quite easily harm you physically?

You ever think maybe he wouldn't do that if he saw you carrying something that didn't care how big he was?

Didn't think so. You apparently don't have a mother nor have ever come across another human being in your life on Earth who has ever used you for their own gain.
 
2014-01-14 10:57:11 PM  

Corvus: GoldSpider: Corvus: Hey maybe all of us don't want to live in a country where we feel we must carry a gun around 24/7.

Then don't feel that way.

Oh then so you admit people don't need guns in public?


No, but I'll agree that there are some people who don't think they need a gun in public. If you think you need to carry a gun and don't NEED it you have wasted a few minutes and the extra effort of carrying a few extra ounces around all day. If you think you don't need it and it happens that you do, you've saved a little effort and possibly wasted the rest of your life.
 
2014-01-14 10:58:02 PM  

The Name: ex-nuke: Unless you live in one of the formerly free parts of the country where the uber-wealthy have decided that for their own personal safety you must be made helpless.

Were our 300 million guns actually being used to wage literal class warfare, you'd have a point.


They are, in a way.  Guns are used defensively, against the criminal class, hundreds of thousands of times a year.
 
2014-01-14 11:12:58 PM  

Toxicphreke: demaL-demaL-yeH: Toxicphreke: If all of you pants wetters are so intent on living in a country without guns.....there is nothing stopping you from doing that. I can even provide you with links to airlines if you are having trouble moving to Australia or England.

1. Do you carry a firearm?
b. What are the reasons you carry a firearm?

www.united.com
www.aa.com
www.delta.com
www.qantas.com.au/

Do you need more to feel better? If you live in the United States you accept and abide by the Constitution of the United States of America. If you feel so strongly about not abiding it...leave. Simple problem solved. You can sleep well tonight....well maybe not tonight..I am sure you are still packing your bags.


There are very few valid reasons to walk around armed in public.
Four come readily to mind:
1) It's hunting season.
2) I am the recipient a valid, credible, and direct threat to my life.
3) My job requires it.
4) I am in a combat zone.

There are a multitude of invalid excuses to walk around armed in public, which all pretty much boil down to armed Walter Mitty syndrome, looking for trouble, paranoia, persecution complex and other mental illnesses, fear, a lack of sound judgment and situational awareness, profound stupidity, inability to accurately assess threats (but I repeat myself), and fear.

I'll step away from your fear for a moment and point out that, from purely a statistical and actuarial standpoint, being around firearms significantly raises the probability of you or someone near and dear to you developing bullet holes.

Since I have personally experienced all four of the above valid reasons for walking around armed in public - hunting season covers one of them and being in combat zones covered the rest -, I will tell you flat out that the United States is not a combat zone; the voices in your head are wrong; and you're far, far more likely to become a gunshot or rape victim in your own home because the perpetrator will be somebody you trust. In public, it suffices to remain aware of your surroundings and unimpaired, stop going to places where you know you'll find trouble, and carry yourself with confidence.

Calling me afraid because I do not walk around armed in public and consider people who do so without valid reason seriously flawed and delusional (see above) is the single most egregious act of projection I have read this year. Congratulations.

Since I take my oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America far more seriously than the neo(confederate)s and certain toads in Congress, I have proposed a solution that preserves the letter and spirit of the Constitution and fulfills the explicitly stated intentions of the Founders while reducing public danger and making room for solid budget cuts.

PS It is perfectly legal to have firearms in both the United Kingdom and Australia.
PPS Your wall of words hasn't kept us from noticing that you still didn't answer my questions.
 
2014-01-14 11:14:48 PM  

ex-nuke: Corvus: GoldSpider: Corvus: Hey maybe all of us don't want to live in a country where we feel we must carry a gun around 24/7.

Then don't feel that way.

Oh then so you admit people don't need guns in public?

No, but I'll agree that there are some people who don't think they need a gun in public. If you think you need to carry a gun and don't NEED it you have wasted a few minutes and the extra effort of carrying a few extra ounces around all day. If you think you don't need it and it happens that you do, you've saved a little effort and possibly wasted the rest of your life.


If people who carry guns around were really concerned about safety, they'd be wearing helmets as well.
 
m00
2014-01-14 11:16:55 PM  

FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


Well imagine if you conceal carry. Someone sees evidence of the holster/bulge/whatever and goes "oh noes! why are they secretly carrying a gun!" so open carry is meant to advertise the person is a law abiding citizen and not trying to hide anything,
 
2014-01-14 11:19:24 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Toxicphreke: demaL-demaL-yeH: Toxicphreke: If all of you pants wetters are so intent on living in a country without guns.....there is nothing stopping you from doing that. I can even provide you with links to airlines if you are having trouble moving to Australia or England.

1. Do you carry a firearm?
b. What are the reasons you carry a firearm?

www.united.com
www.aa.com
www.delta.com
www.qantas.com.au/

Do you need more to feel better? If you live in the United States you accept and abide by the Constitution of the United States of America. If you feel so strongly about not abiding it...leave. Simple problem solved. You can sleep well tonight....well maybe not tonight..I am sure you are still packing your bags.

There are very few valid reasons to walk around armed in public.
Four come readily to mind:
1) It's hunting season.
2) I am the recipient a valid, credible, and direct threat to my life.
3) My job requires it.
4) I am in a combat zone.

There are a multitude of invalid excuses to walk around armed in public, which all pretty much boil down to armed Walter Mitty syndrome, looking for trouble, paranoia, persecution complex and other mental illnesses, fear, a lack of sound judgment and situational awareness, profound stupidity, inability to accurately assess threats (but I repeat myself), and fear.

I'll step away from your fear for a moment and point out that, from purely a statistical and actuarial standpoint, being around firearms significantly raises the probability of you or someone near and dear to you developing bullet holes.

Since I have personally experienced all four of the above valid reasons for walking around armed in public - hunting season covers one of them and being in combat zones covered the rest -, I will tell you flat out that the United States is not a combat zone; the voices in your head are wrong; and you're far, far more likely to become a gunshot or rape victim in your own home because the perpetrator will be somebody you trust. In ...


Ok...I fell for it...I got trolled..it took your wall of text comment for me to get it...good one bro.
 
2014-01-14 11:20:08 PM  

m00: FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?

Well imagine if you conceal carry. Someone sees evidence of the holster/bulge/whatever and goes "oh noes! why are they secretly carrying a gun!" so open carry is meant to advertise the person is a law abiding citizen and not trying to hide anything,


Meh.  To me they're little different.  "Oh hey, a gun nut in a sports coat." vs. "Oh hey, a gun nut."
 
2014-01-14 11:21:17 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: I have proposed a solution that preserves the letter and spirit of the Constitution and fulfills the explicitly stated intentions of the Founders while reducing public danger and making room for solid budget cuts.


I'd like to hear this and I don't feel like scrolling through the shiat-flinging nonsense that constitutes this thread.
 
2014-01-14 11:30:53 PM  

Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: I have proposed a solution that preserves the letter and spirit of the Constitution and fulfills the explicitly stated intentions of the Founders while reducing public danger and making room for solid budget cuts.

I'd like to hear this and I don't feel like scrolling through the shiat-flinging nonsense that constitutes this thread.


Give him all the guns, because you don't need them. He knows what you need. Trust him, he was a soldier, he's got your best interests in mind.
 
m00
2014-01-14 11:32:58 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Surprise, you don't actually have the right to threaten people without recourse. Openly carrying weapons, as people are trying to explain to you, is a form of threat. Unsurprisingly, many would argue open carry laws are eroding civil society because they introduce a threatening element where there previously was none, and are troubled by this development


Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............. that's a dangerous argument. Anything can be perceived by anyone as a threat. If we want to ban all things that someone may consider a threat, welcome to having no rights.

Or do you mean just banning things you consider a threat, or just banning guns and the threat thing was just a justification?
 
m00
2014-01-14 11:35:15 PM  

The Name: Meh. To me they're little different. "Oh hey, a gun nut in a sports coat." vs. "Oh hey, a gun nut."


I was just explaining the point. As a society, we traditionally have disliked "hidden weapons" for some reason. We disliked hidden things in general. Now we don't mind if something is hidden, as long as we don't know about it (see: NSA wiretapping).
 
2014-01-14 11:36:43 PM  

Farker Soze: Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: I have proposed a solution that preserves the letter and spirit of the Constitution and fulfills the explicitly stated intentions of the Founders while reducing public danger and making room for solid budget cuts.

I'd like to hear this and I don't feel like scrolling through the shiat-flinging nonsense that constitutes this thread.

Give him all the guns, because you don't need them. He knows what you need. Trust him, he was a soldier, he's got your best interests in mind.


Hey now, don't piss him off TOO much.  I have it on the good authority of many Fark gun nuts that the military going turncoat is expected to be indispensable to the success of Revolutionary War II: Hoveround Hellfire.
 
2014-01-14 11:41:33 PM  

Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: I have proposed a solution that preserves the letter and spirit of the Constitution and fulfills the explicitly stated intentions of the Founders while reducing public danger and making room for solid budget cuts.

I'd like to hear this and I don't feel like scrolling through the shiat-flinging nonsense that constitutes this thread.


This thread has less airborne shiat:  Start around here.
 
2014-01-14 11:43:45 PM  

The Name: Farker Soze: Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: I have proposed a solution that preserves the letter and spirit of the Constitution and fulfills the explicitly stated intentions of the Founders while reducing public danger and making room for solid budget cuts.

I'd like to hear this and I don't feel like scrolling through the shiat-flinging nonsense that constitutes this thread.

Give him all the guns, because you don't need them. He knows what you need. Trust him, he was a soldier, he's got your best interests in mind.

Hey now, don't piss him off TOO much.  I have it on the good authority of many Fark gun nuts that the military going turncoat is expected to be indispensable to the success of Revolutionary War II: Hoveround Hellfire.


You should shut up and lay low after your massive self ownage, Mr "I contribute to the poor and sacrificed my health for them by teaching college history!"  Go taunt some more rape victims, you seem good at that.
 
2014-01-14 11:47:12 PM  

Toxicphreke: I'll step away from your fear for a moment and point out that, from purely a statistical and actuarial standpoint, being around firearms significantly raises the probability of you or someone near and dear to you developing bullet holes.

Since I have personally experienced all four of the above valid reasons for walking around armed in public - hunting season covers one of them and being in combat zones covered the rest -, I will tell you flat out that the United States is not a combat zone; the voices in your head are wrong; and you're far, far more likely to become a gunshot or rape victim in your own home because the perpetrator will be somebody you trust. In ...

Ok...I fell for it...I got trolled..it took your wall of text comment for me to get it...good one bro.


You need to step away from the meth lab, pull your head our of your fourth point of contact, and breathe some untainted air for once.
 
2014-01-14 11:52:27 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: I have proposed a solution that preserves the letter and spirit of the Constitution and fulfills the explicitly stated intentions of the Founders while reducing public danger and making room for solid budget cuts.

I'd like to hear this and I don't feel like scrolling through the shiat-flinging nonsense that constitutes this thread.

This thread has less airborne shiat:  Start around here.


So, you want to ignore the Heller decision, ignore the Militia Act of 1903, disregard the "unorganized militia," and revert to compulsory military service?  So the military can come in to your house to inspect your militia M249/M4 (fully automatic, of course)?  You going to subsidize the safes everyone will need too?  How would we encourage the wealthier militia member to buy weapons for the poorer ones who can't afford them?  Maybe a tax subsidy for M-16s, mags, optics, a sidearm, and ammo?

I'm assuming this would invalidate all local gun control ordinances, the Hughes Amendment, and the NFA as a compromise, and would extend to people who are disabled/elderly and otherwise unable to participate in militia activities.
 
2014-01-14 11:52:45 PM  

Farker Soze: The Name: Farker Soze: Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: I have proposed a solution that preserves the letter and spirit of the Constitution and fulfills the explicitly stated intentions of the Founders while reducing public danger and making room for solid budget cuts.

I'd like to hear this and I don't feel like scrolling through the shiat-flinging nonsense that constitutes this thread.

Give him all the guns, because you don't need them. He knows what you need. Trust him, he was a soldier, he's got your best interests in mind.

Hey now, don't piss him off TOO much.  I have it on the good authority of many Fark gun nuts that the military going turncoat is expected to be indispensable to the success of Revolutionary War II: Hoveround Hellfire.

You should shut up and lay low after your massive self ownage, Mr "I contribute to the poor and sacrificed my health for them by teaching college history!"  Go taunt some more rape victims, you seem good at that.


Lol.  I'm not trolling, but I'm beginning to see how it's fun.  Mr. "I write government checks for an unnamed agency that go to a vague class of people who are underprivileged for one reason or another," had you spent the past semester in my class, you would be a much better writer; heck, some of my students who came in virtually illiterate could now probably teach you a great deal.

Oh, and if we want to talk about how I'm contributing to helping the underclass, at least two of my students intend to teach high school history when they graduate.  So yeah, I may not be down in the gutters teaching inner-city school kids, or whatever image you have of what I should be doing, but I'm working 70 hours a week to equip a younger generation to do just that.
 
2014-01-14 11:56:28 PM  

Fark It: How would we encourage the wealthier militia member to buy weapons for the poorer ones who can't afford them?


Well Jesus, I should hope they wouldn't need any encouraging, considering how fervently dedicated they are to social equality.  And especially with guns.  I'd expect the wealthier ones to be showering Saturday Night Specials upon the common folk every Sunday at the barn dance.
 
2014-01-14 11:56:40 PM  

m00: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Surprise, you don't actually have the right to threaten people without recourse. Openly carrying weapons, as people are trying to explain to you, is a form of threat. Unsurprisingly, many would argue open carry laws are eroding civil society because they introduce a threatening element where there previously was none, and are troubled by this development

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............. that's a dangerous argument. Anything can be perceived by anyone as a threat. If we want to ban all things that someone may consider a threat, welcome to having no rights.

Or do you mean just banning things you consider a threat, or just banning guns and the threat thing was just a justification?


Not really, since she has explicitly stated that she carries to threaten people. 

Weatherkiss: Bet it just burns you up that you have to change your attitude when addressing someone who is carrying a holstered pistol in plain sight. You have to think twice before trying to manipulate them, don't you? Knowing that you have to treat the person with respect? Is that such a foreign feeling for you to treat strangers with respect?


See? She is not well and she needs serious help. I fervently hope that she seeks the help she needs before she harms herself or somebody else.
 
2014-01-14 11:56:52 PM  

The Name: Oh, and if we want to talk about how I'm contributing to helping the underclass, at least two of my students intend to teach high school history when they graduate. So yeah, I may not be down in the gutters teaching inner-city school kids, or whatever image you have of what I should be doing, but I'm working 70 hours a week to equip a younger generation to do just that.


So, "teaching high school history" (or teaching people who may or may not teach high school history) is now serving the underclass?  Is everybody beneath you?
 
2014-01-15 12:00:17 AM  

Fark It: The Name: Oh, and if we want to talk about how I'm contributing to helping the underclass, at least two of my students intend to teach high school history when they graduate. So yeah, I may not be down in the gutters teaching inner-city school kids, or whatever image you have of what I should be doing, but I'm working 70 hours a week to equip a younger generation to do just that.

So, "teaching high school history" (or teaching people who may or may not teach high school history) is now serving the underclass?  Is everybody beneath you?


So . . . people who train other people to do socially valuable work contribute nothing?  So if I want to join Doctors without Borders, all I need is a passport, a stethoscope and a scalpel?  Sweet!
 
2014-01-15 12:01:39 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Toxicphreke: I'll step away from your fear for a moment and point out that, from purely a statistical and actuarial standpoint, being around firearms significantly raises the probability of you or someone near and dear to you developing bullet holes.

Since I have personally experienced all four of the above valid reasons for walking around armed in public - hunting season covers one of them and being in combat zones covered the rest -, I will tell you flat out that the United States is not a combat zone; the voices in your head are wrong; and you're far, far more likely to become a gunshot or rape victim in your own home because the perpetrator will be somebody you trust. In ...

Ok...I fell for it...I got trolled..it took your wall of text comment for me to get it...good one bro.

You need to step away from the meth lab, pull your head our of your fourth point of contact, and breathe some untainted air for once.


Yep...you told me...again what is keeping you in a country that you obviously hate due to their freedoms? You have no problem exercising your 1st amendment right...allow others to exercise their second.
 
2014-01-15 12:03:48 AM  

Toxicphreke: You have no problem exercising your 1st amendment right...allow others to exercise their second.


The fact that it's a right is a problem.
 
2014-01-15 12:11:28 AM  

The Name: Toxicphreke: You have no problem exercising your 1st amendment right...allow others to exercise their second.

The fact that it's a right is a problem.


And the truth comes out.  You're a history teacher.  You should know about the Amendment process.

Get cracking.
 
2014-01-15 12:14:22 AM  

Fark It: The Name: Toxicphreke: You have no problem exercising your 1st amendment right...allow others to exercise their second.

The fact that it's a right is a problem.

And the truth comes out.  You're a history teacher.  You should know about the Amendment process.

Get cracking.


Already on it.  Can I count on your help?
 
2014-01-15 12:15:08 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: See? She is not well and she needs serious help. I fervently hope that she seeks the help she needs before she harms herself or somebody else.


Wow. Serious concern trolling there.

I've been openly carrying for years. It's never crossed my mind to whip out my pistol and shoot others or myself. When I carry, it's when I run errands and more often than not I just see it as another part of my belt to put on.

I passed the state certifications, I've had my background checks. I'm of sound mind and body.

I'm sorry that you think a woman less of five feet in stature who chooses to carry a securely holstered, unloaded pistol on her daily errands constitutes as threatening those around her.

I'm sure you also feel the same way about people who have spiked bracelets, keep brass knuckles on their dashboard, carry swiss army knives on their keychain, have hatchets in their car, and anything else not covered in nerf foam.

For their own safety, that is.

The only people who should be threatened are those who want to bother me. I deal with many transactions when I carry, and since I do not always carry -- I deal with transactions then too.

I will tell you from first-hand experience that the way I am addressed, the tone of voice given to me, the sincerity, and the directness that I am given between having a pistol on and not having a pistol on are like night and day. Maybe it's fear, or maybe it's respect. In either case, it gives me peace of mind.
 
2014-01-15 12:22:47 AM  

Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: Fark It: demaL-demaL-yeH: I have proposed a solution that preserves the letter and spirit of the Constitution and fulfills the explicitly stated intentions of the Founders while reducing public danger and making room for solid budget cuts.

I'd like to hear this and I don't feel like scrolling through the shiat-flinging nonsense that constitutes this thread.

This thread has less airborne shiat:  Start around here.

So, you want to ignore the Heller decision, ignore the Militia Act of 1903, disregard the "unorganized militia," and revert to compulsory military service?  So the military can come in to your house to inspect your militia M249/M4 (fully automatic, of course)?  You going to subsidize the safes everyone will need too?  How would we encourage the wealthier militia member to buy weapons for the poorer ones who can't afford them?  Maybe a tax subsidy for M-16s, mags, optics, a sidearm, and ammo?

I'm assuming this would invalidate all local gun control ordinances, the Hughes Amendment, and the NFA as a compromise, and would extend to people who are disabled/elderly and otherwise unable to participate in militia activities.


I'm not ignoring the Heller decision.
I'm suggesting that Congress fix the massive clusterfark instituted by the Militia Act of 1903 and the fictional "unorganized" Milita.
You bring your arms to drills for inspection.
Congress has the specified Constitutional power to build armories.
States originally had the problem of supplying weapons to the Milita. There's no reason they shouldn't have that problem again. (And should Congress decide that federal participation is needed, rifles are far less expensive than tanks. Or missiles. Or aircraft the Air Force does not want. Or...) Milspec ammunition for training and qualification added to the block grants that states already receive? Compared to the status quo, dirt cheap.

Everybody must participate as fully as possible. No exceptions. No excuses.

If you can afford to buy, securely store, feed, and equip it, you can buy what you want once you've qualified with the weapon. Crew-served weapons and ammunition must, however, be stored in an approved secure armory. Thanks to the Supreme Court, all arms are Militia arms and subject to the same fitness-for-use and inspection standards.

So I say we implement a real Militia of the United States, like the Founders did.
 
2014-01-15 12:28:00 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: So I say we implement a real Militia of the United States, like the Founders did.


We have one.  It's called the National Guard.  As far as I'm concerned, anyone who wants to play with guns is welcome to sign up.
 
2014-01-15 12:30:25 AM  

Weatherkiss: I will tell you from first-hand experience that the way I am addressed, the tone of voice given to me, the sincerity, and the directness that I am given between having a pistol on and not having a pistol on are like night and day. Maybe it's fear, or maybe it's respect. In either case, it gives me peace of mind.


FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


Apparently.
 
2014-01-15 12:33:25 AM  

Solutare: Weatherkiss: I will tell you from first-hand experience that the way I am addressed, the tone of voice given to me, the sincerity, and the directness that I am given between having a pistol on and not having a pistol on are like night and day. Maybe it's fear, or maybe it's respect. In either case, it gives me peace of mind.

FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?

Apparently.


Assholes will exist regardless of firearms or not. If assholes are an inevitability, well then...
 
2014-01-15 12:35:47 AM  

Weatherkiss: Wow. Serious concern trolling there.


You've repeatedly stated that your purpose in walking around armed is to intimidate others because you are small and afraid. That is one  huge red flag. Please seek help.
 
2014-01-15 12:38:01 AM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: demaL-demaL-yeH: So I say we implement a real Militia of the United States, like the Founders did.

We have one.  It's called the National Guard.  As far as I'm concerned, anyone who wants to play with guns is welcome to sign up.


No, we don't. The National Guard is a half-assed substitute for a real Militia of the United States because Congress was full of men derelict in their named constitutional duties.
 
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