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(MLive.com)   Proponents of Michigan's new open-carry gun law say they're loving their new sense of freedom, and they just wish the cops would remember that open carry is now legal and not to stage high-risk takedowns every time there's a gun call   (mlive.com) divider line 507
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2014-01-14 04:30:44 PM  

Kit Fister: Corvus: Well except other people can shoot you with their gun and kill you. So that part is not your own choice now is it?

Considering that can happen just about anywhere, even the UK  (albeit much less likely), then I don't see how that's ever a reasonably sound thought.

You still have a greater chance, in the US, of dying due to a drunk driver, drowning in a pool, or having a heart attack than you do getting shot. But yes, do continue to fear the unlikely.


Well drunk driving is illegal.

Yes it can happen anywhere.

Murder can happen anywhere, by your reasoning should we just make that legal too?


The point is the chance of it happening is less. No on is restricting guns will make all gun crimes go to zero. That's a stupid strawman.
 
2014-01-14 04:31:01 PM  

Kit Fister: You still have a greater chance, in the US, of dying due to a drunk driver, drowning in a pool, or having a heart attack than you do getting shot. But yes, do continue to fear the unlikely.


And someone is much more likely to be injured or killed by their own gun than they are to prevent some imaginary criminal from crawling through their transom.   You know, as long as we're talking about fearing the unlikely.
 
2014-01-14 04:31:30 PM  

Kit Fister: Corvus: Well except other people can shoot you with their gun and kill you. So that part is not your own choice now is it?

Considering that can happen just about anywhere, even the UK  (albeit much less likely), then I don't see how that's ever a reasonably sound thought.

You still have a greater chance, in the US, of dying due to a drunk driver, drowning in a pool, or having a heart attack than you do getting shot. But yes, do continue to fear the unlikely.


So then we should make drunk driving legal right because it still happens even though its illegal?
 
2014-01-14 04:31:54 PM  

ShawnDoc: dittybopper: That's flipped, of course: Now most states have some form of concealed carry and they denigrate open carry, because, what? It shocks the sensibilities of soccer moms?

Or you can come to California where open carry is essentially illegal, and outside one or two counties, it is impossible to get a CCW.


Unless you're Diane Feinstein.
 
2014-01-14 04:32:29 PM  

Corvus: If you feel you have to have a gun, then why don't others have the same reason need to have a gun?


Because they like you wet the bed to be anywhere near a firearm.  That generally overrules any reason to have a firearm.

It  is a personal choice
 
2014-01-14 04:32:43 PM  

Corvus: GoldSpider: Corvus: Hey maybe all of us don't want to live in a country where we feel we must carry a gun around 24/7.

Then don't feel that way.

Oh then so you admit people don't need guns in public?


Personally I don't feel that I need to carry, but I don't presume to tell others how they should feel.
 
2014-01-14 04:32:45 PM  

Corvus: So gun nuts in this thread are both saying:
A) There is NO reason you should feel nervous others have a gun or that you need a gun on public.
B) I MUST have a gun in public because of all those reason above I said you don't need to have a gun.


Umm how does that make sense?

If you feel you have to have a gun, then why don't others have the same reason need to have a gun?


You don't bring a knife to a gun fight? You don't bring fists to a gun fight? There are many ways to harm other people using completely legal methods (including your fists). There are many ways to manipulate people to do what you want.

But a gun is generally agreed upon as being the final decider of a fight. You carry a gun because it is the superior weapon to either a knife, fist, etc. (again, depending on situation this can be untrue, but for your common everyday life it is).

There's a certain respect or fear for pistols. If you want to give someone an attitude adjustment, you openly carry. If you take the same human being and put them in front of someone who wants something from them, if that human being has a gunbelt and a holstered pistol -- more often than not the way you deal with that person will be extremely different.

And I think there are a lot of people in everyday life that needs to have an attitude adjustment.
 
2014-01-14 04:33:19 PM  

MFAWG: Jackson Herring: EdNortonsTwin: because it's funny to watch people wet themselves when they see a safely holstered pistol.

one of the saddest things i've ever read on the internet

But that's actually what they think. Panty waisted liebruls tremble in fear at the mere sight of a firearm.


That liberal might be my father, the guy who "won" a Silver Star and two wound badges in WW2.  Stinking, pansy, Fart Bama lover.  A REAL man would have dropped that 1000 pounder on a fleet carrier, not a puny escort carrier.
 
2014-01-14 04:34:16 PM  

Corvus: So gun nuts in this thread are both saying:
A) There is NO reason you should feel nervous others have a gun or that you need a gun on public.
B) I MUST have a gun in public because of all those reason above I said you don't need to have a gun.


Umm how does that make sense?

If you feel you have to have a gun, then why don't others have the same reason need to have a gun?


Uhm, no. Gun nuts in this thread are stating that we choose to carry a firearm because it is a tool and likely to be useful should we need to defend ourselves. We recognize the fact that violent activities happen and would rather have the chance to fight back.

However, that being said, if you don't feel you need a gun, don't carry one. Chances are, none of us in this thread (except me, since I already have had to) will need a gun in their life for self defense, so you may choose your level of armament.

Just don't presume to conflate "I don't feel the need for a gun" with "I don't feel the need for the gun so no one should have guns." One is a personal choice, one is a projection.
 
2014-01-14 04:34:45 PM  

ikanreed: Mikey1969: Staff also were taught how to react when someone open-carries into a building because "it's something that's coming out more and more," Bagladi said.

You know how I react? I don't. I go on about my business. It's amazing how farking easy it is, no training is needed.

Until a lump of copper is lodged in your parietal lobe.  Then you can't react.  It's the perfect solution.


How weird... 44 years, all of them in states where carrying is permitted, and the last 20 or so years where concealed carry is permitted. Not once have I seen a person draw their weapon, and not once I have I known anyone else to have been around where someone drew their weapon. I'm sure you see it daily though, right? Any day you get home having dodged a bullet is one less trip to the ER.
 
2014-01-14 04:34:51 PM  

GoldSpider: Corvus: GoldSpider: Corvus: Hey maybe all of us don't want to live in a country where we feel we must carry a gun around 24/7.

Then don't feel that way.

Oh then so you admit people don't need guns in public?

Personally I don't feel that I need to carry, but I don't presume to tell others how they should feel.


So then you are admitting there isn't some need for people to carry a gun in public?

That sounded like a "yes" but I seem incapable of just saying that.
 
2014-01-14 04:35:07 PM  
I'm really hoping that the Blah population of Michigan really goes out of their way to make sure to open-carry everywhere that they possibly can from here on out.

I'm sure that'll make the people that came up with this ridiculousness feel safe.

/only cowards and criminals carry guns
 
2014-01-14 04:35:22 PM  

Corvus: So then no one is allowed to carry a gun unless they can do this?

Or do we hand out guns to any ass?

See all gun owners think they are the most awesome person in the world, but you know what, they aren't.


Nice strawman.
 
2014-01-14 04:35:25 PM  

gingerjet: capn' fun: I don't care what the law is; whenever you take a stroll in public with a gun on your hip, people are going to notice, and some of them are going to freak out.  They're going to call the cops.  And the cops are going to come.  When they get there, they are going to talk to you.  How that conversation goes depends a LOT on your attitude.

Pretty much.  Growing up in Minnesota where the hunting opener is essentially a state holiday - I have never seen people freak out over someone having a gun until I moved to Boulder, CO, after school.  One of the neighbors called the cops when they notice we were carrying a set of guns to our car (in their cases), locked them in our trunk, and drove off.  When we got back home - a cop was waiting, asked us one or two questions, shrugged, and just left.

A few weeks later I was able to ask one of the local cops about it and he mentioned they get one of those calls a few times a week.  Mainly from hikers freaking out after seeing hunters in wildlife areas.

/Boulder - the Berkley of Colorado


I totally agree, but I think we're not talking about the same thing.  There will always be folks who are just plain frightened of guns, period, and will call the cops if they see one in any form, in a case, or being carried by someone who is obviously hunting.  What the article and the conversation here is about are the Tackleberries who walk around in public (stores, restaurants, bars, etc.) with a loaded gun in a holster and who act shocked and indignant when everyone around them reacts with "WTF?!"
 
2014-01-14 04:36:36 PM  

monoski: FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?

So the robbers know to shoot you before taking your wallet.


Money and a free gun.  Bonus.
 
2014-01-14 04:36:38 PM  

TFerWannaBe: Weatherkiss: A responsible gun owner will never pull their piece on a whim

I can't tell the difference between a responsible gun owner and a maniac until he pulls and starts shooting. Can you?


I can't. Neither can you or anyone else.

However, openly carrying means you are alerting everybody around you that you do have a gun, but that it is holstered securely on your belt. People might get concerned. But you are displaying to your other human beings that you have nothing to hide.

A 'lone wolf' will simply not care. And the 'lone wolf' scenario is the majority of the most brutal gun crimes.

Someone who open carries does that as a courtesy to everyone around them that they're dangerous, but they aren't malicious.
 
2014-01-14 04:36:44 PM  

Kit Fister: Uhm, no. Gun nuts in this thread are stating that we choose to carry a firearm because it is a tool and likely to be useful should we need to defend ourselves. We recognize the fact that violent activities happen and would rather have the chance to fight back.

However, that being said, if you don't feel you need a gun, don't carry one. Chances are, none of us in this thread (except me, since I already have had to) will need a gun in their life for self defense, so you may choose your level of armament.


I see so your a rugged bad ass who get's yourself in danger who needs to carry a gun while I am milk toast who would never find myself in a dangerous situation.

I am sorry I forget all gun nuts are "bad asses" that live a life of great danger (at least in their own minds).
 
2014-01-14 04:36:53 PM  

FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?


Any combo of those, yes.
 
2014-01-14 04:36:59 PM  

MFAWG: Jackson Herring: EdNortonsTwin: because it's funny to watch people wet themselves when they see a safely holstered pistol.

one of the saddest things i've ever read on the internet

But that's actually what they think. Panty waisted liebruls tremble in fear at the mere sight of a firearm.


Nobody here is doing anything to prove otherwise...
 
2014-01-14 04:37:49 PM  

Corvus: So then you are admitting there isn't some need for people to carry a gun in public?

That sounded like a "yes" but I seem incapable of just saying that.


Whatever beliefs about gun ownership you have ascribed to me and are trying to get me to "admit", I am certain your assumptions are incorrect.
 
2014-01-14 04:38:02 PM  

Kit Fister: Corvus: So then no one is allowed to carry a gun unless they can do this?

Or do we hand out guns to any ass?

See all gun owners think they are the most awesome person in the world, but you know what, they aren't.

Nice strawman.


They are in this thread.

Ok so you admit many gun owners are bad people who really don't have the responsibility or sate of mind who is safe to have a gun?
 
2014-01-14 04:38:38 PM  

GoldSpider: Corvus: So then you are admitting there isn't some need for people to carry a gun in public?

That sounded like a "yes" but I seem incapable of just saying that.

Whatever beliefs about gun ownership you have ascribed to me and are trying to get me to "admit", I am certain your assumptions are incorrect.


No I am just wondering why you couldn't give a simple yes or no to my rather straight forward es or no question.
 
2014-01-14 04:39:39 PM  

Corvus: Kit Fister: Corvus: Well except other people can shoot you with their gun and kill you. So that part is not your own choice now is it?

Considering that can happen just about anywhere, even the UK  (albeit much less likely), then I don't see how that's ever a reasonably sound thought.

You still have a greater chance, in the US, of dying due to a drunk driver, drowning in a pool, or having a heart attack than you do getting shot. But yes, do continue to fear the unlikely.

So then we should make drunk driving legal right because it still happens even though its illegal?


Uhm, you do realize that, like drunk driving, using a firearm to assault someone without a very very good reason (self defense) is already illegal, right? And that the use of a firearm in the commission of any other crime is a huge pile-on charge, right?

Drinking booze is legal. Drinking booze and then driving is illegal. Owning/carrying a gun is legal. Using a gun in a reckless or criminal manner is illegal.

Or are you somehow suggesting that mere ownership or carrying of a firearm at all is tantamount to the criminally negligent use of booze?
 
2014-01-14 04:39:42 PM  

Kit Fister: Just don't presume to conflate "I don't feel the need for a gun" with "I don't feel the need for the gun so no one should have guns." One is a personal choice, one is a projection.


Funny never said "no one should have guns". That's the normal strawman you guys pull.
 
2014-01-14 04:40:34 PM  

Kit Fister: Uhm, you do realize that, like drunk driving, using a firearm to assault someone without a very very good reason (self defense) is already illegal, right? And that the use of a firearm in the commission of any other crime is a huge pile-on charge, right?


I need to "assault someone'' when I am drunk driving to get arrested?

Really?
 
2014-01-14 04:40:41 PM  

Weatherkiss: And I think there are a lot of people in everyday life that needs to have an attitude adjustment.

 People who feel the need to open carry are almost always assholes who need to have an attitude adjustment.
 
2014-01-14 04:40:49 PM  

Corvus: I see so your a rugged bad ass who get's yourself in danger who needs to carry a gun while I am milk toast who would never find myself in a dangerous situation.

I am sorry I forget all gun nuts are "bad asses" that live a life of great danger (at least in their own minds).


I was jumped, beaten and stabbed while working ina  very bad neighborhood i had no choice but to be in. I had no firearm, and nearly died. Would you like the police report and the photos of the stab wounds?
 
2014-01-14 04:40:49 PM  

Corvus: No I am just wondering why you couldn't give a simple yes or no to my rather straight forward es or no question.


You're asking me to answer on behalf of other people for whom I don't speak.  I already gave you a straight answer about my personal belief, so at this point I suspect your deficiency is in reading comprehension.
 
2014-01-14 04:41:25 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: The reason people open carry is......................it's been a secret until now...................because it's funny to watch people wet themselves when they see a safely holstered pistol.

I'd open carry from time to time if it was legal here.

/ 8.5" thanks for asking.


Gold, Jerry! Comedy gold!
 
2014-01-14 04:42:18 PM  

Weatherkiss: The 2nd Amendment is a Pandora's Box that can't be closed. Guns will be out there and will be relatively easily to acquire whether legally or illegally. It doesn't matter what kind of gun control legislation we try to push through, nothing is going to have any affect on an individual's ability to grab a firearm and use it to commit a crime.


Except in Australia where they fixed it in about three weeks.

But as a former British colony with large areas of open space once dominated by an indigenous people that is now a successful first world economy of immigrants Australia has nothing in common with the USA.
 
2014-01-14 04:42:20 PM  

Kit Fister: Drinking booze is legal. Drinking booze and then driving is illegal. Owning/carrying a gun is legal. Using a gun in a reckless or criminal manner is illegal.

Or are you somehow suggesting that mere ownership or carrying of a firearm at all is tantamount to the criminally negligent use of booze?


That's circular logic. You are saying it's the legality of it therefor it's right.

So if gun carrying was illegal you would be ok with that because you only care about the legality of it right?
 
2014-01-14 04:42:56 PM  

GoldSpider: Corvus: No I am just wondering why you couldn't give a simple yes or no to my rather straight forward es or no question.

You're asking me to answer on behalf of other people for whom I don't speak.  I already gave you a straight answer about my personal belief, so at this point I suspect your deficiency is in reading comprehension.


No I asked you to speak for yourself. Which you seem incapable of doing.
 
2014-01-14 04:43:57 PM  

Aexia: Weatherkiss: And I think there are a lot of people in everyday life that needs to have an attitude adjustment.
 People who feel the need to open carry are almost always assholes who need to have an attitude adjustment.


That's human beings in general. Human beings are assholes. So if most human beings are assholes, then whichever asshole is carrying a gun is the one who will more than likely cause the other asshole to rethink the way they deal with people.

I don't like it either, but people are assholes. Carry a gun and maybe people don't treat you like an asshole in public (or at least not as much), only on the interwebs.
 
2014-01-14 04:43:58 PM  

Aexia: Weatherkiss: And I think there are a lot of people in everyday life that needs to have an attitude adjustment.
 People who feel the need to open carry are almost always assholes who need to have an attitude adjustment.


Sure, but when you try, you get in trouble, or worse, for "assaulting a police officer".  Lot of good your "feelings" are doing.
 
2014-01-14 04:44:09 PM  

Corvus: No I asked you to speak for yourself. Which you seem incapable of doing.


    GoldSpider: Personally I don't feel that I need to carry

I can't read it for you...
 
2014-01-14 04:44:28 PM  

Kit Fister: Corvus: I see so your a rugged bad ass who get's yourself in danger who needs to carry a gun while I am milk toast who would never find myself in a dangerous situation.

I am sorry I forget all gun nuts are "bad asses" that live a life of great danger (at least in their own minds).

I was jumped, beaten and stabbed while working ina  very bad neighborhood i had no choice but to be in. I had no firearm, and nearly died. Would you like the police report and the photos of the stab wounds?


What has that to do at all with the conversation?

Lets go back to the subject before. You said gun crimes would still happen with gun laws.

Drunk driving still happens with drunk driving laws, do you think those laws should be repealed too then?

(sorry you changed the subject on me and I feel for it)
 
2014-01-14 04:45:13 PM  
I don't have much of an opinion on open carry, but I do think it should be an automatic SYG trigger.  Not because I want to see gun owners get shot, I just see a lot of open carriers using their guns for the purposes of intimidation, and I think once you do that, you're a threat to public safety, and thus a fair target.
 
2014-01-14 04:46:49 PM  

FlashHarry: Obama's Reptiloid Master: FlashHarry: what is the point of open carry? is it to show off? is it to make a political point? or is it just to warn other people that you're an asshole?

From a tactical standpoint, it makes a lot more sense. It's more comfortable, it has an easier draw, and in an actual threatening situation, allows you to present your weapon to de-escalate without violating the law.

From a realistic (ie, not in the diseased power fantasies of small-dicked minds) standpoint, all it does is make everyone afraid of you and put your weapon in easy reach of a guy that wants it more than you.

Open carry is great for police officers and trained professionals. Open carry is bad for Johnny Wantstobeahero.

this is the best explanation i have yet heard. thanks.


I am in the unenviable position of being a pansy libby lib in the land of guns who happens have a CCL and police training. I carry my gun, but have a really realistic picture in my head of just how useful it is to me, which is not very, outside of a few low-probability scenarios.

The only place I would want to open carry is perhaps the courtroom. But sometimes not. Courtrooms are full of criminals.
 
2014-01-14 04:47:40 PM  

Corvus: I need to "assault someone'' when I am drunk driving to get arrested?

Really?


Wow, you really are dense, aren't you?

Okay, fine. If you really want to get down to brass tacks, the act of driving while intoxicated would be similar to the act of knowingly taking out a firearm and shooting it in public. You have chosen to go past responsible behavior and have begun acting recklessly and in such a way as to endanger others by willfully acting in an unsafe manner.

If I were to pull out a firearm, legally carried or not, and started firing said gun in public without a damn good reason, I would be equally liable for charges as I would have been had I driven drunk.

The mere act of carrying a firearm, openly or concealed, is not equivalent to driving drunk. It would be similar to the responsible use of alcohol.

I may drink a beer, but I have a duty to act responsibly when doing so, including not driving while under the influence of alcohol. Just like i may carry a gun, but I have a duty to act responsibly when doing so, including not whipping it out for every situation, unless I have a very goddamn good reason.

And that was the point of my post you totally went full derp on: Just losing an argument, or being insulted, or not being right is not cause to use a firearm. Getting punched in the face or having a fistfight is not in and of itself directly a cause for pulling a gun. Having some asshole grab your wallet is not in and of itself cause for pulling a gun.

A gun is a last-resort tool. You use it if you have no other option and the choice is either be severely injured or killed by someone, or injure/kill them first. Pull a knife on me? if I think you're going to use it, I'm going to shoot you. Corner me and threaten me with a crowbar? I'm probably going to shoot you. hold me up and demand money? Here, fine, take the damn money, all $2 I have in my wallet and my oiverdrawn bank card.
 
2014-01-14 04:49:58 PM  

Corvus: Kit Fister: Drinking booze is legal. Drinking booze and then driving is illegal. Owning/carrying a gun is legal. Using a gun in a reckless or criminal manner is illegal.

Or are you somehow suggesting that mere ownership or carrying of a firearm at all is tantamount to the criminally negligent use of booze?

That's circular logic. You are saying it's the legality of it therefor it's right.

So if gun carrying was illegal you would be ok with that because you only care about the legality of it right?


We can show statistically you are more likely to injure another person drunk driving but given the legalization of open and/or concealed carry in every state with no increase in criminal activity.... where is the need to make carrying illegal?
 
2014-01-14 04:50:51 PM  
I'm a Soldier in the U.S. Army and I have served the last ten years.  The complete lack of respect some people have for firearms makes me want to puke.  I hate the fact that any farking idiot with a few hundred dollars can buy a weapon and carry it around like he loaded the damn thing with jelly beans.  If you want to carry a weapon in the Army you have to pass the ASVAB, pass a physical and mental exam, then prove to a Drill Sergeant that you can handle it without blowing your (or your buddies) brains out.  However, in most states you bring a farking glock into a Denny's without anyone even checking if you can see. Fark JUST background checks, how about vision exams, mental and physical evaluations, and then we test your judgement.  NOW you can carry a gun around my children.
 
2014-01-14 04:50:53 PM  

Jackson Herring: Vodka Zombie: "Look at me and the cool things I can hang from my pants!  I'm special!"

sort of like a bluetooth earpiece


Yeah, I still don't understand the biatching about the BT earpiece thing...,. Is it just biatching to have something to biatch about? I can understand having a problem with people who feel the need to scream into them as if they were on the other side of the room, but that actually isn't the case all that often anymore. Besides, I'd rather see someone on a BT driving than dicking around with their phone.
 
2014-01-14 04:52:03 PM  
There are no more "injuns" looking to scalp you.
The robbers use PoS hacks now.
There won't be any slave uprisings any time soon.
There are no gangstas comin to cap yo ass, unless you tryin to creep turf or front off.
The game tend to avoid public places.
The city of Fallujah is nearly 7,000 mi away.
The Martians have ray-guns whose discharge travels at the speed of light.
What is the need for open-carry again?
 
2014-01-14 04:52:20 PM  

Kit Fister: Corvus: I need to "assault someone'' when I am drunk driving to get arrested?

Really?

Wow, you really are dense, aren't you?

Okay, fine. If you really want to get down to brass tacks, the act of driving while intoxicated would be similar to the act of knowingly taking out a firearm and shooting it in public. You have chosen to go past responsible behavior and have begun acting recklessly and in such a way as to endanger others by willfully acting in an unsafe manner.

If I were to pull out a firearm, legally carried or not, and started firing said gun in public without a damn good reason, I would be equally liable for charges as I would have been had I driven drunk.

The mere act of carrying a firearm, openly or concealed, is not equivalent to driving drunk. It would be similar to the responsible use of alcohol.

I may drink a beer, but I have a duty to act responsibly when doing so, including not driving while under the influence of alcohol. Just like i may carry a gun, but I have a duty to act responsibly when doing so, including not whipping it out for every situation, unless I have a very goddamn good reason.

And that was the point of my post you totally went full derp on: Just losing an argument, or being insulted, or not being right is not cause to use a firearm. Getting punched in the face or having a fistfight is not in and of itself directly a cause for pulling a gun. Having some asshole grab your wallet is not in and of itself cause for pulling a gun.

A gun is a last-resort tool. You use it if you have no other option and the choice is either be severely injured or killed by someone, or injure/kill them first. Pull a knife on me? if I think you're going to use it, I'm going to shoot you. Corner me and threaten me with a crowbar? I'm probably going to shoot you. hold me up and demand money? Here, fine, take the damn money, all $2 I have in my wallet and my oiverdrawn bank card.


You keep talking about responsible gun owners.

How can you tell if someone is a responsible gun owner? Should there be training and testing to ensure someone is a responsible gun owner?
 
2014-01-14 04:52:43 PM  

mediablitz: Mikey1969: JerseyTim: 99% percent of open carriers look like tools, but it's still better than concealed carry. Concealed carry is like, "ok, if shiat goes down, I can be the hero." At least open is carry is, "Hopefully shiat won't go down if they see my piece."

Of course, not all of those open carriers are actually tools. Many are like my brother in law, and work in law enforcement, and are on the way in to or home from work, and aren't in uniform.

But hey, broad generalizations aren't just the property of the Right, are they?

Your brother in law is a 1%. And as someone who has spent his entire life around law enforcement, I'd say just because he is in law enforcement doesn't make him not a tool. Probably lends more towards him being a tool.

Broad generalizations indeed. He's in law enforcement so that means he is a good guy!


No, the broad generalization is that everyone carrying a gun must be some kind of wanna be hero who really doesn't need to carry a gun ever in their lives.

But thanks for trying. I feel like I should award you a participation certificate or something.
 
2014-01-14 04:53:00 PM  
Jeez. Is everything about dick size with you people? A little projection, maybe?
 
2014-01-14 04:53:24 PM  

Kit Fister: And that was the point of my post you totally went full derp on: Just losing an argument, or being insulted, or not being right is not cause to use a firearm. Getting punched in the face or having a fistfight is not in and of itself directly a cause for pulling a gun.


And all gun owners we can trust to be this responsible how?
 
2014-01-14 04:53:50 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: The reason people open carry is......................it's been a secret until now...................because it's funny to watch people wet themselves when they see a safely holstered pistol.

I'd open carry from time to time if it was legal here.

/ 8.5" thanks for asking.


IQ?
Height?
 
2014-01-14 04:55:24 PM  

Kit Fister: Just losing an argument, or being insulted, or not being right is not cause to use a firearm. Getting punched in the face or having a fistfight is not in and of itself directly a cause for pulling a gun.


So you are for very strict background checks so that we can make sure every legal gun owner is this responsible?

That means the Gun bills Obama put out for gun shows background checks and not allowing sales to people with mental problems you support?

Because if your not those are just BS words.
 
2014-01-14 04:55:34 PM  

Kit Fister: Corvus: I need to "assault someone'' when I am drunk driving to get arrested?

Really?

Wow, you really are dense, aren't you?

Okay, fine. If you really want to get down to brass tacks, the act of driving while intoxicated would be similar to the act of knowingly taking out a firearm and shooting it in public. You have chosen to go past responsible behavior and have begun acting recklessly and in such a way as to endanger others by willfully acting in an unsafe manner.

If I were to pull out a firearm, legally carried or not, and started firing said gun in public without a damn good reason, I would be equally liable for charges as I would have been had I driven drunk.

The mere act of carrying a firearm, openly or concealed, is not equivalent to driving drunk. It would be similar to the responsible use of alcohol.

I may drink a beer, but I have a duty to act responsibly when doing so, including not driving while under the influence of alcohol. Just like i may carry a gun, but I have a duty to act responsibly when doing so, including not whipping it out for every situation, unless I have a very goddamn good reason.

And that was the point of my post you totally went full derp on: Just losing an argument, or being insulted, or not being right is not cause to use a firearm. Getting punched in the face or having a fistfight is not in and of itself directly a cause for pulling a gun. Having some asshole grab your wallet is not in and of itself cause for pulling a gun.

A gun is a last-resort tool. You use it if you have no other option and the choice is either be severely injured or killed by someone, or injure/kill them first. Pull a knife on me? if I think you're going to use it, I'm going to shoot you. Corner me and threaten me with a crowbar? I'm probably going to shoot you. hold me up and demand money? Here, fine, take the damn money, all $2 I have in my wallet and my oiverdrawn bank card.


His reply will probably be that since everyone can't act that responsibly, no one should have that privilege, while ignoring the argument that since someone might drink and drive no one can drink, because he probably likes a little drink now and then.  Typical authoritarian minded selfishness.
 
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