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2014-01-14 12:34:42 PM  
Year-round school makes infinitely more sense.

45-15 plans seem more reasonable.
 
2014-01-14 02:45:09 PM  
Christie's proposal to lengthen school could antagonize an old adversary, the powerful public teachers union, which he has clashed with over pension and tenure changes. An overhaul of public employee retirement benefits by Christie and the Legislature in 2011 was bitterly opposed by the union, which spent millions in anti-Christie ads during his gubernatorial campaigns

I don't know why people keep suggesting Christie may have had a hand in some political payback scandal.
 
2014-01-14 02:45:10 PM  
Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?
 
2014-01-14 02:48:18 PM  
Longer school days? Yes, that's interesting. And now I've completely forgotten whatever other scandal -- wait, was it even a scandal? I can't even remember. Anyway, I've utterly forgotten whatever that other thing was. Something about toll prices? Oh phooey.

Right. Longer school days. Let's talk about that now.
 
2014-01-14 02:49:56 PM  

DeltaPunch: And now I've completely forgotten whatever other scandal -- wait, was it even a scandal? I can't even remember. Anyway, I've utterly forgotten whatever that other thing was.


Pretty sure it has something to do with Obama targeting conservative citizens of Benghazi by making them buy birth control pills.
 
2014-01-14 02:58:03 PM  

DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?


That is an important question.  My wife and I were discussing this yesterday.  The school day should be lengthened to include more recess and lunch time, but also to align more with reality.  Parents work, both of them, and they don't work 7-hour days... so we as a nation have just bitten off on the paid after-school care concept.

But the teachers need a break, too.  Add dedicated lunch-monitor and recess/intermural-monitor staff so that the faculty gets a genuine, no-kidding hour OFF for lunch.  Not an hour spent with their class, not an hour spent monitoring the lunchroom, not an hour spent grading papers or in training or meetings.  Yes it will cost more but ideally it will be a cost transfer from after-school programs into in-school programs.
 
2014-01-14 03:02:32 PM  

DamnYankees: DeltaPunch: And now I've completely forgotten whatever other scandal -- wait, was it even a scandal? I can't even remember. Anyway, I've utterly forgotten whatever that other thing was.

Pretty sure it has something to do with Obama targeting conservative citizens of Benghazi by making them buy birth control pills.


I thought it had to with Obama forcing young virgins to have abortions in order to cover up his fake birth certificate.
 
2014-01-14 03:04:12 PM  
I know when I was in school the one thing I always dreamed of was a longer day.
 
2014-01-14 04:12:58 PM  

DeltaPunch: DamnYankees: DeltaPunch: And now I've completely forgotten whatever other scandal -- wait, was it even a scandal? I can't even remember. Anyway, I've utterly forgotten whatever that other thing was.

Pretty sure it has something to do with Obama targeting conservative citizens of Benghazi by making them buy birth control pills.

I thought it had to with Obama forcing young virgins to have abortions in order to cover up his fake birth certificate.


Wasn't it Obama forcing the IRS to target acorns to cover up his handshake with Castro
 
2014-01-14 04:13:50 PM  

DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?


Of course not. Teachers can already afford to own a refrigerator, they're paid too much.
 
2014-01-14 04:13:58 PM  

DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?


ROFL....ROFL.....oh, you were serious.
 
2014-01-14 04:14:51 PM  
The Republican Party: The path to feudalism begins with overturning a more recent development.
 
2014-01-14 04:15:34 PM  

DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?


I'm sure the coaches' pay will be raised, don't worry.
 
2014-01-14 04:16:39 PM  
+1 subby.

Hey I know instead of longer days how about we make the school day not 50% farking around instead?
 
2014-01-14 04:16:50 PM  
Wutt? More lie-brul public educatin' led by those Marxist teachers unions???
 
2014-01-14 04:19:33 PM  
Just what I need...more money for doing nuthin':

thenypost.files.wordpress.com
/Yes...she's from NY....but they are a dime-a-dozen in New Jersey as well.
 
2014-01-14 04:19:48 PM  

Corvus: +1 subby.

Hey I know instead of longer days how about we make the school day not 50% farking around instead?


Well, it would only work with the death of homework(which has been shown to have negative effects on performance in elementary school, no effect in middle school, and positive(but not huge) effects in high school).
 
2014-01-14 04:20:52 PM  

EyeballKid: DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?

I'm sure the coaches' pay will be raised, don't worry.


Did the coaches at your school make money? The way mine lived, I'm pretty sure they were paid with Slim Jims and depression.
 
2014-01-14 04:21:07 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Wutt? More lie-brul public educatin' led by those Marxist teachers unions???


Bi-coastal intellectual elites!
 
2014-01-14 04:22:21 PM  

thurstonxhowell: EyeballKid: DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?

I'm sure the coaches' pay will be raised, don't worry.

Did the coaches at your school make money? The way mine lived, I'm pretty sure they were paid with Slim Jims and depression.


They were given teaching jobs. You wanna know why so many of America's kids suck at Science, Social Studies, and Math? Likely there's a coach teaching it.
 
2014-01-14 04:26:13 PM  

EyeballKid: thurstonxhowell: EyeballKid: DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?

I'm sure the coaches' pay will be raised, don't worry.

Did the coaches at your school make money? The way mine lived, I'm pretty sure they were paid with Slim Jims and depression.

They were given teaching jobs. You wanna know why so many of America's kids suck at Science, Social Studies, and Math? Likely there's a coach teaching it.


In my HS I recall hearing the coach who taught math was extra hard, because he wanted to show that coaches aren't dumb.
 
2014-01-14 04:26:27 PM  
Why are you all being so mean to Christie it is not like he was the Sec of State and the Ambassador was killed under his watch in the non-scandal that is Benghazi or ordering the IRS to not give non-profit status to politically backed groups in the non-scandal 2013 IRS.
 
2014-01-14 04:29:47 PM  
And I am absolutely CERTAIN that the teachers will be given a concomitant raise for their extra time.

\trying not to laugh
 
2014-01-14 04:31:10 PM  

praymantis: Why are you all being so mean to Christie it is not like he was the Sec of State and the Ambassador was killed under his watch in the non-scandal that is Benghazi or ordering the IRS to not give non-profit status to politically backed groups in the non-scandal 2013 IRS.


You have a "Time for some security problems in Benghazi" or "Time for some tax problems in the Tea Party" email from Obama's deputy chief of staff you're not sharing?
 
2014-01-14 04:33:25 PM  

Lackofname: EyeballKid: thurstonxhowell: EyeballKid: DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?

I'm sure the coaches' pay will be raised, don't worry.

Did the coaches at your school make money? The way mine lived, I'm pretty sure they were paid with Slim Jims and depression.

They were given teaching jobs. You wanna know why so many of America's kids suck at Science, Social Studies, and Math? Likely there's a coach teaching it.

In my HS I recall hearing the coach who taught math was extra hard, because he wanted to show that coaches aren't dumb.


The tennis coach at my alma mater taught AP (AB and BC) Calculus and had one of the highest pass rates in the state, as I recall.

But, then, the basketball coach became the vice principal and then principal (after being a crappy history teacher), so there's that.

(To tie this back in, our VP my Sophomore year was a dead ringer for Christie, and spoke with the grammatical familiarity of a four year old)
 
2014-01-14 04:36:10 PM  

Sybarite: I know when I was in school the one thing I always dreamed of was a longer day.


Awww, was 2pm dismissal too late to catch Teletubbies?

I was let out of (private, parochial) school at 530pm, even in winter (though not on Fridays. That was 2pm), and I turned out just potato.

// not even religious anymore, so maybe we SHOULD keep them longer...
// longer school day = atheism
// study. it. out.
 
2014-01-14 04:36:12 PM  

praymantis: Why are you all being so mean to Christie it is not like he was the Sec of State and the Ambassador was killed under his watch in the non-scandal that is Benghazi or ordering the IRS to not give non-profit status to politically backed groups in the non-scandal 2013 IRS.


Still wondering why the SecState gets the blame for Benghazi, and not the Congress that refused to raise the security budget. And NO politically-backed group is supposed to have that particular non-profit status, which was the farking problem.

But hey, that chicken was just asking for it, wearing those slutty feathers.
 
2014-01-14 04:36:52 PM  
How else are all those kids receiving free lunches going to find time for school work and all the cleaning they'll be doing?
 
2014-01-14 04:46:11 PM  
I've never understood this "teachers are overpaid" shiat. A teacher works 180 days a year, a business person works 240 days a year. Ignoring the daily hours issue (my wife teaches and she puts in at least eight hours a day, between class time, administrative stuff and homework--those report cards and evaluations don't write themselves, you know), a teacher making $50K a year is actually making the equivalent of $66K a year--assuming he can find work the summer that pays the same as his teaching. Is that so terrible? Is the not the education of your child by a highly skilled professional worth $66,000 a year? Exactly how cheap a bastard are you anyway, and do you care so little for your child's welfare that you want to farm out his future to the lowest bidder?

Sheesh.
 
2014-01-14 04:50:22 PM  

DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?


lib
 
2014-01-14 04:53:28 PM  

DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?


www.allmystery.de

/I think we all know the answer to that question
 
2014-01-14 04:56:50 PM  

ferretman: Just what I need...more money for doing nuthin':

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/Yes...she's from NY....but they are a dime-a-dozen in New Jersey as well.


I watched that movie The Cartel. It was basically about people like this (maybe not this blatant) being the solid core of the NJ government school system.
 
2014-01-14 04:59:57 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: And I am absolutely CERTAIN that the teachers will be given a concomitant raise for their extra time.

\trying not to laugh


And Chris Christie is sure that there was "Nothing to see" regarding the Bridge scandal, or his apparent targeting of other democratic mayors.

I'm beginning to think maybe the Teacher's union didn't endorse Chris Christie?
 
2014-01-14 05:20:00 PM  
WTF? Really? This is all he's got? Extend the whole school day, or just certain parts, like lunchtime?

/Cue 2016 Christie Campaign song, "Hungry Heart."
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lYpokhq_-w
 
2014-01-14 05:31:09 PM  

ikanreed: Corvus: +1 subby.

Hey I know instead of longer days how about we make the school day not 50% farking around instead?

Well, it would only work with the death of homework(which has been shown to have negative effects on performance in elementary school, no effect in middle school, and positive(but not huge) effects in high school).


I'd be ok with that. reduce HW and do more in class.

Yeah I don't think HW should be that much until HS. I don't see how it helps.

I do think HW is import in HS to get you ready for college though.
 
2014-01-14 05:32:49 PM  

clambam: I've never understood this "teachers are overpaid" shiat. A teacher works 180 days a year, a business person works 240 days a year. Ignoring the daily hours issue (my wife teaches and she puts in at least eight hours a day, between class time, administrative stuff and homework--those report cards and evaluations don't write themselves, you know), a teacher making $50K a year is actually making the equivalent of $66K a year--assuming he can find work the summer that pays the same as his teaching. Is that so terrible? Is the not the education of your child by a highly skilled professional worth $66,000 a year? Exactly how cheap a bastard are you anyway, and do you care so little for your child's welfare that you want to farm out his future to the lowest bidder?

Sheesh.


I know some teachers and they work more than the school days too. Often on their "days off" they are working on lesson plans and such.
 
2014-01-14 05:34:40 PM  

Leishu: The tennis coach at my alma mater taught AP (AB and BC) Calculus and had one of the highest pass rates in the state, as I recall.


My AP calculus was taught by the basketball coach. He was really good actually.
 
2014-01-14 05:48:28 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: DeltaPunch: DamnYankees: DeltaPunch: And now I've completely forgotten whatever other scandal -- wait, was it even a scandal? I can't even remember. Anyway, I've utterly forgotten whatever that other thing was.

Pretty sure it has something to do with Obama targeting conservative citizens of Benghazi by making them buy birth control pills.

I thought it had to with Obama forcing young virgins to have abortions in order to cover up his fake birth certificate.

Wasn't it Obama forcing the IRS to target acorns to cover up his handshake with Castro


No, it was Obama creating death panels to distract us from his $14,000/day arugula habit.
 
2014-01-14 05:58:35 PM  
Dude cut more funding for schools than anyone else in star history, just vetoed a bill for full day kindergarten, and called preschool "babysitting".

New Jersy has some of the highest performing public schools in the country, and he constantly talks like they're failing. I wonder if that has anything at all to do with his biggest backer, the political boss Norcross, owns a charter school company!
 
2014-01-14 06:03:15 PM  

Corvus: clambam: I've never understood this "teachers are overpaid" shiat. A teacher works 180 days a year, a business person works 240 days a year. Ignoring the daily hours issue (my wife teaches and she puts in at least eight hours a day, between class time, administrative stuff and homework--those report cards and evaluations don't write themselves, you know), a teacher making $50K a year is actually making the equivalent of $66K a year--assuming he can find work the summer that pays the same as his teaching. Is that so terrible? Is the not the education of your child by a highly skilled professional worth $66,000 a year? Exactly how cheap a bastard are you anyway, and do you care so little for your child's welfare that you want to farm out his future to the lowest bidder?

Sheesh.

I know some teachers and they work more than the school days too. Often on their "days off" they are working on lesson plans and such.


My wife is a teacher with two masters degrees. I get paid more than her in a private sector non-teaching job. She works, on average, about 50% more than I do a week, including after hours work with students, lesson planning, grading, all the paperwork and reports she has to fill out on students progress, etc.

My good friend is a doctor, and his wife is a teacher in an inner city. He always jokes she works double the hours he does, but she's ultra type-A.
 
2014-01-14 06:13:56 PM  
Is it too early to nominate a "Headline of the year candidate"?
 
2014-01-14 06:46:19 PM  
Don't really see the need for it. If anything, school should be a few hours a day, with electives offered outside of school hours.
 
2014-01-14 07:10:41 PM  

EyeballKid: thurstonxhowell: EyeballKid: DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?

I'm sure the coaches' pay will be raised, don't worry.

Did the coaches at your school make money? The way mine lived, I'm pretty sure they were paid with Slim Jims and depression.

They were given teaching jobs. You wanna know why so many of America's kids suck at Science, Social Studies, and Math? Likely there's a coach teaching it.


Our coaches taught gym. Except the one guy who taught math. He was actually good as a high school math teacher, though.

I specify "high school math teacher" because I don't think he was that good at math. You don't have to be to teach high school.
 
2014-01-14 08:22:31 PM  

organizmx: Corvus: clambam: I've never understood this "teachers are overpaid" shiat. A teacher works 180 days a year, a business person works 240 days a year. Ignoring the daily hours issue (my wife teaches and she puts in at least eight hours a day, between class time, administrative stuff and homework--those report cards and evaluations don't write themselves, you know), a teacher making $50K a year is actually making the equivalent of $66K a year--assuming he can find work the summer that pays the same as his teaching. Is that so terrible? Is the not the education of your child by a highly skilled professional worth $66,000 a year? Exactly how cheap a bastard are you anyway, and do you care so little for your child's welfare that you want to farm out his future to the lowest bidder?

Sheesh.

I know some teachers and they work more than the school days too. Often on their "days off" they are working on lesson plans and such.

My wife is a teacher with two masters degrees. I get paid more than her in a private sector non-teaching job. She works, on average, about 50% more than I do a week, including after hours work with students, lesson planning, grading, all the paperwork and reports she has to fill out on students progress, etc.

My good friend is a doctor, and his wife is a teacher in an inner city. He always jokes she works double the hours he does, but she's ultra type-A.


Yep, my wife teaches high school English.  She got off at around 3, went to work out until 4, brought home dinner, and then graded essays until 9, when she went to bed.  She'll be up at 5 tomorrow, grading away.  Essentially, she works 12-15 hours a day, not including anything she has to chaperone.  So, when I tell her that I'll see her in June, I'm not really kidding.
 
2014-01-14 08:23:36 PM  

organizmx: Dude cut more funding for schools than anyone else in star history, just vetoed a bill for full day kindergarten, and called preschool "babysitting".

New Jersy has some of the highest performing public schools in the country, and he constantly talks like they're failing. I wonder if that has anything at all to do with his biggest backer, the political boss Norcross, owns a charter school company!


The ancient Greeks believed that it was really bad to get noticed by a god. They lived their lives trying not to draw attention to themselves from on high. Generally they figured your life could go pretty smooth provided Aphrodite or Ares didnt take a shine to ya. This is how I view the internet. Its great as long as its baleful glare isnt focused on you. Christie is the internet's new shiny bauble and hes doomed but doesn't know it yet. He thinks it's a good thing that Hermes bent down for a closer look.
 
2014-01-14 09:06:28 PM  

clambam: I've never understood this "teachers are overpaid" shiat. A teacher works 180 days a year, a business person works 240 days a year. Ignoring the daily hours issue (my wife teaches and she puts in at least eight hours a day, between class time, administrative stuff and homework--those report cards and evaluations don't write themselves, you know), a teacher making $50K a year is actually making the equivalent of $66K a year--assuming he can find work the summer that pays the same as his teaching. Is that so terrible? Is the not the education of your child by a highly skilled professional worth $66,000 a year? Exactly how cheap a bastard are you anyway, and do you care so little for your child's welfare that you want to farm out his future to the lowest bidder?

Sheesh.


The problem I'd that though you can argue that teachers get the summer off, the reality is that they are giving up the opportunity to make money during that time. Sure, some may find part time work, but because it's seasonal, it will never be as lucrative as a stable career year round.

I would expect that teachers should be able to pay their loans off comfortably, have a solid toyota Camry to drive, be able to travel here and there during holidays, be able to afford to put their own kids through college, and have some sort of security in retirement.

Whatever the help that costs, that's definitely what we should pay them. Nobody with college degrees and often master's degrees and PhDs should struggle to achieve any of the things I listed.
 
2014-01-14 09:07:37 PM  

rga184: The problem I'd that though you can argue that teachers get the summer off, the reality is that they are giving up the opportunity to make money during that time. Sure, some may find part time work, but because it's seasonal, it will never be as lucrative as a stable career year round.

I would expect that teachers should be able to pay their loans off comfortably, have a solid toyota Camry to drive, be able to travel here and there during holidays, be able to afford to put their own kids through college, and have some sort of security in retirement.

Whatever the help that costs, that's definitely what we should pay them. Nobody with college degrees and often master's degrees and PhDs should struggle to achieve any of the things I listed.


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2014-01-14 09:32:41 PM  

factoryconnection: DamnYankees: Honest question - if schools days are made longer, do people who work at schools get paid more?

That is an important question.  My wife and I were discussing this yesterday.  The school day should be lengthened to include more recess and lunch time, but also to align more with reality.  Parents work, both of them, and they don't work 7-hour days... so we as a nation have just bitten off on the paid after-school care concept.

But the teachers need a break, too.  Add dedicated lunch-monitor and recess/intermural-monitor staff so that the faculty gets a genuine, no-kidding hour OFF for lunch.  Not an hour spent with their class, not an hour spent monitoring the lunchroom, not an hour spent grading papers or in training or meetings.  Yes it will cost more but ideally it will be a cost transfer from after-school programs into in-school programs.


Sure, as long as my property taxes don't go up, go for it.
 
2014-01-14 10:56:21 PM  
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Even the woman in the background is face palming to that
 
2014-01-15 05:47:39 AM  
So great big fatass wants to rob kids of the childhood he got to enjoy.

fark you I got mine indeed.

If you as a child enjoyed the school day as it was, and now want to see it lengthend then you are a hypocritical douche.
 
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