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(WBUR Boston)   We may be living in the Age of Kale, but remember: There can be no light without darkness   (commonhealth.wbur.org) divider line 140
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2014-01-14 01:01:25 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Prevailing Wind: I juice.  I juice kale.  I do it about 3-4 times a week and I'll usually have some manner of greens at least once a day.
I also eat whole grains like barley, quinoa, oats, and rice about once per day.
I eat legumes like chick peas, lentils, mung beans, lima beans, kidney beans a few times a week.
I drink green tea, and probiotics.
I eat lean meats, fish, and poultry in moderation.
I eat fruit and vegetables at every meal.
I use nuts, oils, and dairy as accents and not features of meals.
I never allow myself to be hungry and I do not want.

Then once a week I order an entire goddamn pizza and I eat the shiat out of it while swilling as much beer as humanly possible and watching football.   I follow it up with ice cream and cookies and if I'm really lucky a blowjob from my wife.   Sunday is a good day people.  It helps me cope with the horrific mediocrity of the the other six days.

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I like your style too.  Got a whole cowboy thing going.
 
2014-01-14 01:05:48 PM  

Ker_Thwap: I buy a giant bag of kale every few weeks, it's the only size they sell locally.  I almost always open the bag, I eat a few servings once in a while. So, basically, I end up putting most of it in the compost pile, it will make excellent compost for the tasty vegetables I'll grow later.  I don't dislike it, but I don't like it either.


If you want to use it for smoothies, you can save cash by making kale cubes. Put a cup of water in your blender, and turn the motor on liquify. Then start adding the kale one leaf at a time. It'll make a thick green liquid.

Once you're done with all of the kale, pour it into ice cube trays and freeze. Once it's frozen, store them in a freezer bag.


Also, if you're throwing it out because it's starting to wilt, you can always turn it into kale chips with some olive oil and sea salt.
 
2014-01-14 01:08:10 PM  

Huggermugger: Unpasteurized sauerkraut is where it's at!


My crock downstairs agrees with this wholeheartedly.
 
2014-01-14 01:09:26 PM  

baconbeard: You know I'm right.


*SMH*

Sorry, I'm not understanding *shrug* not at all. You lapped it up like good little hipster you are, to the point that you've grown, what, a distaste for these (otherwise beloved) foodstuffs, because you have toy-sharing issues stemming back to, probably, infancy, where it was left untreated, undiagnosed, and thus nurtured into adulthood, now manifest in your current predicament. Your loss and seperation anxiety alone are powering a good chunk of your current depressive cycle, why not grab it as a chance to be social with others, break the phobia. Like what everyone else likes, not because everyone else likes it. Like it because it is Good, and you like good things. Try asking how her day was, it's always a good start.
 
2014-01-14 01:13:31 PM  

uttertosh: baconbeard: You know I'm right.

*SMH*

Sorry, I'm not understanding *shrug* not at all. You lapped it up like good little hipster you are, to the point that you've grown, what, a distaste for these (otherwise beloved) foodstuffs, because you have toy-sharing issues stemming back to, probably, infancy, where it was left untreated, undiagnosed, and thus nurtured into adulthood, now manifest in your current predicament. Your loss and seperation anxiety alone are powering a good chunk of your current depressive cycle, why not grab it as a chance to be social with others, break the phobia. Like what everyone else likes, not because everyone else likes it. Like it because it is Good, and you like good things. Try asking how her day was, it's always a good start.


Oh, I still eat them, I just hate constantly hearing about how great they are. And get out of my head.
 
2014-01-14 01:19:11 PM  
"Really, Michael? Kale? KALE?! I think I'm beyond being saved by the magical properties of KALE!" - Trevor Phillips, CEO of TPI

/or something like that
//couldn't find the exact quote
 
2014-01-14 01:20:25 PM  
What's the Kale's stats when fighting zombies? That's my big question. My other plants can hold their own against the zombies.


/Never heard of Kale in my life
 
2014-01-14 01:20:28 PM  
Um, what? I guess I missed the memo. I thought kale was just a side garnish to make other food look pretty at a restaurant. I've heard it tastes bitter, so I never tried it.

I'm so disconnected from the mainstream (news, Hollywood, etc.) that I am surprised by what can be considered healthy
"food" these days.

/ I do like other veggies, tho
// but mostly carbs really
/// and mushrooms are a fungus.....like mold, yuck!
 
2014-01-14 01:24:09 PM  

Huggermugger: Unpasteurized sauerkraut is where it's at!


While I agree with you from a flavor perspective, you might want to leave the state the first time I have some after a layoff.

Something about the balance of gut bacteria, I guess.
 
2014-01-14 01:26:53 PM  

The Southern Logic Company: /who eats raw vegetables anyway?


I do.  I hate cooked vegetables.  To me, raw carrots, broccoli, kale, spinach, etc... taste so much better.

baconbeard: uttertosh: baconbeard: hubiestubert: sigdiamond2000: baconbeard: Things I used to enjoy but now hate with a passion:

1. Prosciutto
2. Sriracha
3. Kale

/screw you, "foodies"

It makes sense to let people you hate completely inform your life choices.

Truly it is tragic when hipsters have to deal with the mainstream taking their stuff...

Of come on. Do you not agree that the three examples above have been done to death ad nauseam? There's "popular", and then there's stupid.

stupid is stopping liking sriracha because: popular That's just pathetic, son.

You know I'm right.


No, you're ridiculous.  And your Fark handle shows that you were a part of the exact foodie wave you so despise.

Damn, it would be annoying as hell to have to check if a food is on some goddamned approved list before eating it.  If you like the taste of it and can safely eat it, eat it.  If not, don't.  That should really be all it comes down to.
 
2014-01-14 01:35:40 PM  

sigdiamond2000: syrynxx: I dunno, I hopped on the "Vitamix-loving, green-smoothie worshipping, kale bandwagoner" last fall and have no regrets and have dropped 25#.  Much healthier than canned or processed sodium-laden crap.  I just don't eat a kilogram and a half of bok choy every day.  That's crazy.

But you don't understand. A mommyblogger was diagnosed with hypothyroidism. Paradigms have been destroyed. Everything you thought you knew about everything is wrong. We must adopt a new world view and devise an entirely new set of protocols on a go-forward basis.


mebbe she gave it to herself!

/loves kale

sweetmelissa31: Kale, which I juiced every morning, tops the list

The problem is juicing things I guess.. you have to use a ton of vegetables to get any juice. And you get rid of the fibrous parts in the process.


See, overindulgance is bad.
 
2014-01-14 01:42:26 PM  

FLMountainMan: No, you're ridiculous. And your Fark handle shows that you were a part of the exact foodie wave you so despise.


But a bacon beard is not a fad.

It's a way of life.
 
2014-01-14 01:44:06 PM  

DeaH: The vilification of iodized salt mean that most of us are not getting enough dietary iodine to help out thyroid do their job.


I cringe when I hear people say, "It uses sea salt, so it's healthier!"

/ I used to ask "Why is that healthier?"
// But I gave up, people are gullible morons
 
2014-01-14 01:49:25 PM  
DeaH:

The article even says that cooked kale is not an issue the way raw kale is. And kale holds up beautifully in soups, quiches, and tarts. It works a lot better than spinach or other greens which melt into a fabric-like mushiness.

For sure! I've been on a vegetarian diet for 2 months (health experiment) and I find in soups it adds a nice heartiness and compliment to any bean or lentil type soup. I found a fantastic recipe for a red lentil & smoked paprika soup with kale that makes you want to go back for 3rds. Without the kale the soup would be ok, with it the soup is unreal!
 
2014-01-14 02:26:46 PM  

DeaH: 2) The encomiums for raw food overlook the fact that some food really should be cooked for optimal digestion.


whatever, you can have my raw taro plant when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

/or when you dislodge it from my lacerated throat. Whichever comes first.
 
2014-01-14 02:34:23 PM  
 
They're not bad people, per se. Just....really farking weird.

For every vegetable you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.



Hurray!  I've been waiting a long time to see the table turned on Fark's resident carnibigots who think that's funny every damn time.


baconbeard: hubiestubert: sigdiamond2000: baconbeard: Things I used to enjoy but now hate with a passion:

1. Prosciutto
2. Sriracha
3. Kale

/screw you, "foodies"

It makes sense to let people you hate completely inform your life choices.

Truly it is tragic when hipsters have to deal with the mainstream taking their stuff...

Of come on. Do you not agree that the three examples above have been done to death ad nauseam? There's "popular", and then there's stupid.

stupid is stopping liking sriracha because: popular That's just pathetic, son.


Yeah, this.  If you're tired of something, stop eating it, but don't go blaming other people because they like it too, particularly when they're the ones who introduced you to it.  Sriracha is great stuff, and I was quite late to that trend.  I'm glad I tried it, and it was based on seeing the name all over the place.


CapeFearCadaver: Mangoose: Sorry but most vegetables just don't taste that good in the grande scheme of cuisine.

Your taste buds are weird. Just... really farking weird.

Nah. Humans are wired to find things like fats, salts, and sugars more rewarding -- all the stuff that veggies tend to be lacking in. I don't doubt some people genuinely get off on veggies, in and of themselves. (Though in my experience, there's usually some sort of philosophical component at work.)

But, for the other 95% of the human race, it's about the preparation. And the preparation almost always involves adding some sort of fat, salt, or sugar.



What, and that doesn't apply to "non-vegetables"?  It's darn sure 'about the preparation' with everything!  Try eating your chicken or steak raw and without ANY salt or other seasoning.  Try doing the same with pasta or even eggs.  Maybe the only thing that doesn't take "preparation" is milk, and your friendly neighborhood momma cow has done an awful lot of work to prepare that.
 
2014-01-14 02:58:48 PM  

sigdiamond2000: "Kale will kill you and everyone you care about."

--Jennifer Berman, writer and sign language interpreter living in New York City.

"A regular person [with no thyroid issues] who eats several servings of cruciferous vegetables a week should not have problems."

--Teresa Fung, Sc.D., M.S.. adjunct professor of nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health and a professor at Simmons College in Boston


I have thyroid issues. I hate cruciferous veggies. I am now a happy person.

/Seriously, those things are not real veggies, they are little balls of green bitter.
//Real veggies taste  good.
 
2014-01-14 03:04:05 PM  

Mr.Poops: DeaH:

The article even says that cooked kale is not an issue the way raw kale is. And kale holds up beautifully in soups, quiches, and tarts. It works a lot better than spinach or other greens which melt into a fabric-like mushiness.

For sure! I've been on a vegetarian diet for 2 months (health experiment) and I find in soups it adds a nice heartiness and compliment to any bean or lentil type soup. I found a fantastic recipe for a red lentil & smoked paprika soup with kale that makes you want to go back for 3rds. Without the kale the soup would be ok, with it the soup is unreal!


If you are ovo-lacto, it's great in a ricotta tart. It adds a sourness that really complements the ricotta and Parmesan.
 
2014-01-14 03:07:54 PM  

jaytkay: DeaH: The vilification of iodized salt mean that most of us are not getting enough dietary iodine to help out thyroid do their job.

I cringe when I hear people say, "It uses sea salt, so it's healthier!"

/ I used to ask "Why is that healthier?"
// But I gave up, people are gullible morons


I think it has more to do with taste than health. It's true that there can be a difference in taste when you use sea salt. Heck, there's a difference between different types of sea salt, even. But people need to get iodine somehow.
 
2014-01-14 03:21:22 PM  

mekkab: DeaH: 2) The encomiums for raw food overlook the fact that some food really should be cooked for optimal digestion.

whatever, you can have my raw taro plant when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

/or when you dislodge it from my lacerated throat. Whichever comes first.


I know you're kidding, but I can believe there are raw food aficionados out there blaming their kidney stones on fluoridated water rather than the fact they eat raw taro.
 
2014-01-14 03:35:53 PM  
Juicing isn't a bad way to get a quick hit of nutrition, but "Juicers" have their own set of problems, the least of which is not actually getting all the nutrients you get out of *ACTUALLY CHEWING YOUR FOOD*

Pertaining to kale... The wife and I eat a lot of it, as it is the most nutrient-dense veggie you can get for the relatively cheap price. Plus, sauteed and fresh minced garlic and sea salt = yummers

She's been battling some thyroid/adrenal issues (previously diagnosed as simple 'burnout' -- fit girl in her late twenties just burning the candle at both ends with work and exercise) But this is certainly news that may bring us to research this a little bit further.
 
2014-01-14 03:35:58 PM  
Kale Chips...Olive oil, sea salt, big hunks of kale roasted for 10 minutes.

So good my 12 year old will eat it.
 
2014-01-14 03:40:54 PM  

DeaH: jaytkay: DeaH: The vilification of iodized salt mean that most of us are not getting enough dietary iodine to help out thyroid do their job.

I cringe when I hear people say, "It uses sea salt, so it's healthier!"

/ I used to ask "Why is that healthier?"
// But I gave up, people are gullible morons

I think it has more to do with taste than health. It's true that there can be a difference in taste when you use sea salt. Heck, there's a difference between different types of sea salt, even. But people need to get iodine somehow.


I was lucky to get a "tiny" shopping spree at a food co-op in Philly. Everyone else got munchies, whereas I hit up their spice rack. I have himalayan sea salt, hawaiian black sea salt, and Molokai red sea salt. If you taste them one after the other, there is very much a difference in taste. Himalayan has a light floral lavender sort of taste. The Hawaiian has an earthy taste. The Red is similar to the Hawaiian but has a certain savory quality to it that's hard to describe, and a bit cleaner taste. The black is my favorite, though I usually mix all 3 in a mill.

They definitely all taste different from normal kosher salt too.

Anyways, the point is, sea salt definitely tastes different from normal table salt.
 
2014-01-14 03:51:40 PM  

scubamage: DeaH: jaytkay: DeaH: The vilification of iodized salt mean that most of us are not getting enough dietary iodine to help out thyroid do their job.

I cringe when I hear people say, "It uses sea salt, so it's healthier!"

/ I used to ask "Why is that healthier?"
// But I gave up, people are gullible morons

I think it has more to do with taste than health. It's true that there can be a difference in taste when you use sea salt. Heck, there's a difference between different types of sea salt, even. But people need to get iodine somehow.

I was lucky to get a "tiny" shopping spree at a food co-op in Philly. Everyone else got munchies, whereas I hit up their spice rack. I have himalayan sea salt, hawaiian black sea salt, and Molokai red sea salt. If you taste them one after the other, there is very much a difference in taste. Himalayan has a light floral lavender sort of taste. The Hawaiian has an earthy taste. The Red is similar to the Hawaiian but has a certain savory quality to it that's hard to describe, and a bit cleaner taste. The black is my favorite, though I usually mix all 3 in a mill.

They definitely all taste different from normal kosher salt too.

Anyways, the point is, sea salt definitely tastes different from normal table salt.


Himalayan is the most mineral-rich, as I understand it.

/also makes the best mineral water when used on RO filtered water
 
2014-01-14 03:56:47 PM  

DeaH: I think it has more to do with taste than health. It's true that there can be a difference in taste when you use sea salt.


Sea salt does taste different/better than iodized salt. I use sea salt and kosher salt when taste is important. But lots of people avoid iodized salt because of "chemicals". I've had conversations like this...

Them: "Oh, I eat healthy so I only use sea salt."

Me: " Yeah, you want to avoid chemicals in your salt like sodium."

Them: " Exactly!"
 
2014-01-14 04:01:56 PM  
This thread says more about the state of parenting in America over the last 40 years than it does about the type of food people like.
 
2014-01-14 04:21:11 PM  

scubamage: Everyone else got munchies, whereas I hit up their spice rack.


ohhhhh good call!

/$$$$$
 
2014-01-14 04:22:13 PM  

jaytkay: DeaH: I think it has more to do with taste than health. It's true that there can be a difference in taste when you use sea salt.

Sea salt does taste different/better than iodized salt. I use sea salt and kosher salt when taste is important. But lots of people avoid iodized salt because of "chemicals". I've had conversations like this...

Them: "Oh, I eat healthy so I only use sea salt."

Me: " Yeah, you want to avoid chemicals in your salt like sodium

yellow prussiate of soda."

Them: " Exactly!"


But a nice logic trick to play on the people who really don't know what they're talking about.
 
2014-01-14 04:49:01 PM  

hubiestubert: Food choices are set early. They can be reset, because humans are good at upending their diets when conditions change, and that's not a bad thing, but likewise, we're hardwired to look at the food of our youth as the "normal" conditions as well. We are just savanna walking apes after all that occasionally stopped by water sources and often found easy calories there, while we watched out for killer reptiles, cats, and snakes. We long for the normality of our youth, because that was set down for us as being the conditions that we should look for. Of course, if the conditions of our youth were particularly bad--famine, poverty, or wartime conditions of rationing, we can associate the foods of those times as being really bad too. The brain is really good at making associations. We don't have to be slaves to that conditioning though.


God, don't I know it.  I LOVE kale, winter vegetables simply roasted, avocados, a good salad... and all of those things I have to consciously plan to eat.  They do not spring to mind immediately for me when I'm hungry, because in my childhood the norm was meat (the largest thing on the plate), with potatoes or noodles (rice was not allowed in our house, better not to ask) and maybe limp overcooked-from-a-frozen-brick vegetables, with Parkay on them.  Every day for supper.  Without fail.  I got Carnation Instant Breakfast most mornings, standardized school cafeteria food at lunch.  I never saw an avocado until I went to college.  Kale was "Yankee food".  Collards were only for black people.  Turnip greens were cooked all day, with large amounts of salted pork fat - and because they took so long, they were special.

Every day, I have to consciously challenge those habits.  Eat something worthwhile for breakfast.  Take something worthwhile for lunch.  Plan dinners that don't revolve around a huge portion of meat.  And for Cthulhu's sake, avocados aren't exotic, exclusive Foods of the Gods, you can eat them instead of saving them for a special occasion.

Honestly, it's a real pain.
 
2014-01-14 04:59:04 PM  
Anybody else realize after leaving home that most vegetables you didn't like really aren't that bad if they aren't boiled to death prior to eating them?
 
2014-01-14 05:15:52 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Hey watch this, I'm just about to convert all of you like Mohammed at the Mountain of freakin Hira:

1 - Chop up a bunch of kale
2 - Fry three slices of chopped bacon until crisp
3 - Sautee that goddamn kale in the bacon


This also works for spinach and unraveled Brussel sprout s.
 
2014-01-14 05:25:55 PM  

Mr.Poops: DeaH:

The article even says that cooked kale is not an issue the way raw kale is. And kale holds up beautifully in soups, quiches, and tarts. It works a lot better than spinach or other greens which melt into a fabric-like mushiness.

For sure! I've been on a vegetarian diet for 2 months (health experiment) and I find in soups it adds a nice heartiness and compliment to any bean or lentil type soup. I found a fantastic recipe for a red lentil & smoked paprika soup with kale that makes you want to go back for 3rds. Without the kale the soup would be ok, with it the soup is unreal!


Please share. I love red lentis and paprika.
 
2014-01-14 05:40:16 PM  
I just clicked on this article after checking the comments from our "What buildings used to be Pizza Huts" discussion from this morning and it occurred to me that Fark might not be the best audience for an article about kale.
 
2014-01-14 05:44:51 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: [img.photobucket.com image 288x360]

Will probably spend the rest of the week obsessing on this article.


At least hand sanitizer is still safe.
 
2014-01-14 08:38:15 PM  

costermonger: Anybody else realize after leaving home that most vegetables you didn't like really aren't that bad if they aren't boiled to death prior to eating them?


THIS.

Brussells sprouts for example. Roast those motherfarkers!
 
2014-01-14 09:19:34 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Hey watch this, I'm just about to convert all of you like Mohammed at the Mountain of freakin Hira:

1 - Chop up a bunch of kale
2 - Fry three slices of chopped bacon until crisp
3 - Sautee that goddamn kale in the bacon

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I do this about once a week, I also add some chopped onion and garlic cloves, 1/2 cup of chicken stock, and a splash of red wine.
 
2014-01-14 09:49:27 PM  

Mangoose: People who like vegetables are weird.

They're not bad people, per se. Just....really farking weird.


When you think everyone else is weird and you're the odd man out... Maybe you should take a look at yourself.
 
2014-01-15 12:56:33 AM  
Methinks someone at WBUR saw this satire piece from last year... and didn't realize it was satire:

http://huntgatherlove.com/content/just-kale-me-how-your-kale-habit-s lo wly-destroying-your-health-and-world
 
2014-01-15 11:15:20 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Acceptable vegetables include peas, carrots, corn, lima beans, green beans, and most components of a typical garden salad, including cucumbers, radishes, and the various styles of lettuce.

Unacceptable vegetables include spinach, okra, artichokes, broccoli, asparagus, and mushrooms.

Beets, turnips, and yams are generally considered an act of war.


Somebody call Ken Burns. We're fill Civil War in here.

/I find your lack of sprouts (brussel and other) disturbing.
 
2014-01-15 02:15:20 PM  

Rustblade: Mangoose: People who like vegetables are weird.

They're not bad people, per se. Just....really farking weird.

When you think everyone else is weird and you're the odd man out... Maybe you should take a look at yourself.



What weird people who like (or are) vegetables may look like:

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