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(Political Blind Spot)   Steubenville hacker faces 10 years in prison, Steubenville rapist is already out of juvenile detention   (politicalblindspot.com) divider line 195
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2014-01-14 01:19:36 PM  

This text is now purple: durbnpoisn: Considering that the ends justify the means in this case

I wonder how many people were murdered in the 20th Century alone on the basis of this exact sentiment.


20th century? Didn't we have the story in the last few months where the family was contacted first and killed someone that had kidnapped their child? Justice served.
 
2014-01-14 01:25:43 PM  

LemSkroob: Ma'Lik.

Come on. when you name a kid like that, there is no way they arent going to grow up to be a rapist.


Thanks, we needed some racism in this thread.
 
2014-01-14 01:25:48 PM  

This text is now purple: durbnpoisn: Considering that the ends justify the means in this case

I wonder how many people were murdered in the 20th Century alone on the basis of this exact sentiment.


Not nearly enough.
 
2014-01-14 01:26:08 PM  

neomunk: DON.MAC: Maybe they had their database encrypted but if you have the key to say "This is Sam's card, please encrypted it and put it in the database", you also have the key to decrypt it.

I just wanted to point out that this sentence is totally false.  Encryption schemes in which you use a different key to encrypt something than you use to decrypt it are use so frequently that most of you who were unaware of the fact would call me a liar if I told you exactly how often.

/not ALL the packets, but SOOOOO many


To be fair, though, public-key encryption is not often used to directly encrypt data. The algorithms don't lend themselves well to encrypting large amounts, so standard practice is to encrypt your data with a random symmetric key, then encrypt that key with the public-key system when you need to send it over the wire.
 
2014-01-14 01:27:08 PM  

bunner: This text is now purple: durbnpoisn: Considering that the ends justify the means in this case

I wonder how many people were murdered in the 20th Century alone on the basis of this exact sentiment.

Not nearly enough.


Yeah, definitely time for the V mask and the spray paint.
 
2014-01-14 01:29:52 PM  

bunner: durbnpoisn: That would be, to let him do some time, because, yes, he broke the law.

You man like all those Wall St. firms, brokerages and banks that conspired to decimate an entire economic sector did?


This text is now purple: durbnpoisn: Considering that the ends justify the means in this case

I wonder how many people were murdered in the 20th Century alone on the basis of this exact sentiment.


What are either one of you talking about?
I don't see how those points really have anything to do with my post.

I suppose I can answer with my opinion, in any case...
•  The people that have been raping the economy should be doing time.  Obviously.
•  People get murdered all the time.  To someone, there must be a reason.  Some people really DO deserve it.  I'm not going to go case by case for every murder in the world, for an entire century, to defend that point.
 
2014-01-14 01:30:59 PM  

neomunk: DON.MAC: Maybe they had their database encrypted but if you have the key to say "This is Sam's card, please encrypted it and put it in the database", you also have the key to decrypt it.

I just wanted to point out that this sentence is totally false.  Encryption schemes in which you use a different key to encrypt something than you use to decrypt it are use so frequently that most of you who were unaware of the fact would call me a liar if I told you exactly how often.

/not ALL the packets, but SOOOOO many


...which might be significant, if there were a use-case for a retailer to store CC numbers in their own database without actually being able to access them.
 
2014-01-14 01:32:25 PM  

voodoohotdog: WTFDYW: Ah. Ma'Lik Richmond. Rapist from Steubenville, Ohio whom should have been tried as an adult.

Is that the same guy as the Steubenville Rapist named Ma'Lik Richmond?


I believe the the Steubenville Rapist was named Ma'Lik Richmond, not Malik Richmond or MaLik Richmond.
 
2014-01-14 01:33:03 PM  

durbnpoisn: The people that have been raping the economy should be doing time.  Obviously.


But they won't.  That was the point.
 
2014-01-14 01:35:06 PM  
More to the point, this is the point.

bunner: Because behind every law.  Every single law, when you peel back the layers - is nothing more than who has the most guns and money and the most worrisome authority pose.

 
2014-01-14 01:35:13 PM  
Technically, isn't Ma'Lik Richmond also a pedophile in addition to being a rapist?  In that he rapes children.  I don't know if that makes Ma'Lik Richmond a child rapist.
 
2014-01-14 01:38:19 PM  

Molavian: Technically, isn't Ma'Lik Richmond also a pedophile in addition to being a rapist?  In that he rapes children.  I don't know if that makes Ma'Lik Richmond a child rapist.


Why is everybody ignoring the other guy, Trent Mays, who was also convicted?
 
2014-01-14 01:48:53 PM  

ongbok: Molavian: Technically, isn't Ma'Lik Richmond also a pedophile in addition to being a rapist?  In that he rapes children.  I don't know if that makes Ma'Lik Richmond a child rapist.

Why is everybody ignoring the other guy, Trent Mays, who was also convicted?


Because he's still in jail, where as convicted rapist Ma'Lik Richmond of Steubenville was let out in less than a year for "good behavior".
 
2014-01-14 01:51:37 PM  

Tacious: Ma'lik Richmond, The Rapist from Steubenville, Ohio


Why, yes; yes it is about Ma'lik Richmond, The Rapist from Steubenville, Ohio.  Why do you ask about Ma'lik Richmond, The Rapist from Steubenville, Ohio; do you need information regarding Ma'lik Richmond, The Rapist from Steubenville, Ohio?

/Ma'lik Richmond, The Rapist from Steubenville, Ohio
 
2014-01-14 01:53:36 PM  
To find out more about Ma'lik Richmond, The Rapist from Steubenville, Ohio, visit your local, online sex offender database.
 
2014-01-14 01:55:42 PM  

China White Tea: ongbok: Molavian: Technically, isn't Ma'Lik Richmond also a pedophile in addition to being a rapist?  In that he rapes children.  I don't know if that makes Ma'Lik Richmond a child rapist.

Why is everybody ignoring the other guy, Trent Mays, who was also convicted?

Because he's still in jail, where as convicted rapist Ma'Lik Richmond of Steubenville was let out in less than a year for "good behavior".


Richmond was convicted of rape and sentenced to one year. Mays was sentenced to rape and sentenced to one year, in addition Mays was also convicted of the dissemination of child pornography because he sent out pictures of her naked. Mays had an extra charge for doing something that Richmond didn't do. Richmond didn't receive any special treatment over Mays, so they should be both equally mentioned.
 
2014-01-14 02:05:30 PM  

ongbok: China White Tea: ongbok: Molavian: Technically, isn't Ma'Lik Richmond also a pedophile in addition to being a rapist?  In that he rapes children.  I don't know if that makes Ma'Lik Richmond a child rapist.

Why is everybody ignoring the other guy, Trent Mays, who was also convicted?

Because he's still in jail, where as convicted rapist Ma'Lik Richmond of Steubenville was let out in less than a year for "good behavior".

Richmond was convicted of rape and sentenced to one year. Mays was sentenced to rape and sentenced to one year, in addition Mays was also convicted of the dissemination of child pornography because he sent out pictures of her naked. Mays had an extra charge for doing something that Richmond didn't do. Richmond didn't receive any special treatment over Mays, so they should be both equally mentioned.


All of which is true, but doesn't change the fact that the answer to your question is that, "Ma'Lik Richmond is no longer in jail."  That's the source of the outrage, and why he gets all the focus.
 
2014-01-14 02:20:02 PM  

China White Tea: ongbok: China White Tea: ongbok: Molavian: Technically, isn't Ma'Lik Richmond also a pedophile in addition to being a rapist?  In that he rapes children.  I don't know if that makes Ma'Lik Richmond a child rapist.

Why is everybody ignoring the other guy, Trent Mays, who was also convicted?

Because he's still in jail, where as convicted rapist Ma'Lik Richmond of Steubenville was let out in less than a year for "good behavior".

Richmond was convicted of rape and sentenced to one year. Mays was sentenced to rape and sentenced to one year, in addition Mays was also convicted of the dissemination of child pornography because he sent out pictures of her naked. Mays had an extra charge for doing something that Richmond didn't do. Richmond didn't receive any special treatment over Mays, so they should be both equally mentioned.

All of which is true, but doesn't change the fact that the answer to your question is that, "Ma'Lik Richmond is no longer in jail."  That's the source of the outrage, and why he gets all the focus.


If Mays wouldn't have been a dumb rapist and tweeted out pictures of what he did, he would have been out of jail also. Still don't get the outrage for one rapist because he is out of jail, but no outrage for the other rapist and child pornographer because he is still in jail.
 
2014-01-14 02:49:44 PM  

Lucky LaRue: doglover: EyeballKid: Lucky LaRue: I don't see how anyone can be upset that a criminal is getting punished.

You can do better than this to get attention, can't you?

He really can't.

You take things entirely too seriously.  How does this kid's fate - whether he walks away scott-free or goes to jail for the rest of his life - effect you in the slightest?


Well, as a woman, sending the message that hacking is a more serious crime than rape kind of affects me...and every other woman out there...

/And probably a few men, too
//But in America men rape women as a rule of thumb, who knows why
 
2014-01-14 02:53:23 PM  

ongbok: China White Tea: ongbok: China White Tea: ongbok: Molavian: Technically, isn't Ma'Lik Richmond also a pedophile in addition to being a rapist?  In that he rapes children.  I don't know if that makes Ma'Lik Richmond a child rapist.

Why is everybody ignoring the other guy, Trent Mays, who was also convicted?

Because he's still in jail, where as convicted rapist Ma'Lik Richmond of Steubenville was let out in less than a year for "good behavior".

Richmond was convicted of rape and sentenced to one year. Mays was sentenced to rape and sentenced to one year, in addition Mays was also convicted of the dissemination of child pornography because he sent out pictures of her naked. Mays had an extra charge for doing something that Richmond didn't do. Richmond didn't receive any special treatment over Mays, so they should be both equally mentioned.

All of which is true, but doesn't change the fact that the answer to your question is that, "Ma'Lik Richmond is no longer in jail."  That's the source of the outrage, and why he gets all the focus.

If Mays wouldn't have been a dumb rapist and tweeted out pictures of what he did, he would have been out of jail also. Still don't get the outrage for one rapist because he is out of jail, but no outrage for the other rapist and child pornographer because he is still in jail.


While we are on the subject of Ma'Lik Richmond the convicted rapist and Trent Mays the convicted rapist, what ever happened to the admitted rapist Matthew Barnett?
 
2014-01-14 03:00:42 PM  

PsiChick: Well, as a woman, sending the message that hacking is a more serious crime than rape kind of affects me...and every other woman out there...


Although I agree that the rapists ought to have been given much harsher sentences, I don't see how the way things turned out can be reasonably interpreted as sending a message that hacking is a more serious crime than rape.
 
2014-01-14 03:13:40 PM  

Millennium: PsiChick: Well, as a woman, sending the message that hacking is a more serious crime than rape kind of affects me...and every other woman out there...

Although I agree that the rapists ought to have been given much harsher sentences, I don't see how the way things turned out can be reasonably interpreted as sending a message that hacking is a more serious crime than rape.


Hacker gets more time than rapist. Um...what part of that was confusing again? Or do we generally give more time to  lesser crimes now?

/"But judge, he murdered someone and only gets a month, and I just jaywalked! Isn't nine years unfair?"
//"Not at all. You committed the less serious crime."
 
2014-01-14 03:13:57 PM  

html_007: Lucky LaRue: I don't see how anyone can be upset that a criminal is getting punished.

I see your point he broke the law.  I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished but damn 10 years?  That is a case of the punishment not fitting the crime.


Things you can't stop people doing have harsh penalties.
 
2014-01-14 03:24:34 PM  

PsiChick: Um...what part of that was confusing again?


Apparently, the part where only one of them has done any time.

Possibly the part where only one of them is an adult, and thus capable of actually committing a crime under Ohio law (unless the juvenile is bound over to adult court, which didn't happen here).

It's complicated.
 
2014-01-14 03:28:40 PM  

jayphat: Now, that part where he farked himself is the trying to get school administrators and others involved in this case to take extra-legal steps using blackmail of personal information ABOUT THEM(SSN, etc) while the investigation was ongoing.


And everyone knows that's worse than rape.
 
2014-01-14 03:34:15 PM  

The Muthaship: PsiChick: Um...what part of that was confusing again?

Apparently, the part where only one of them has done any time.

Possibly the part where only one of them is an adult, and thus capable of actually committing a crime under Ohio law (unless the juvenile is bound over to adult court, which didn't happen here).

It's complicated.


Yeah, the conversation is still about the  potential for the hacker to do more time than the rapist. And yes, one is an adult. Doesn't mean they didn't commit different levels of crime (not that I'm all for recognizing the difference between adult and teenaged brains, just...they aren't the same thing).
 
2014-01-14 03:42:32 PM  
10 years for tattling on someone. I know someone that got less time for armed robbery.
 
2014-01-14 03:43:05 PM  

PsiChick: Yeah, the conversation is still about the  potential for the hacker to do more time than the rapist


So, do you want the penalties for hacking into other people's personal info and threatening to use it for blackmail purposes to be reduced because a juvenile wasn't held in juvie as long he possibly could be?

 I know the comparison here is disturbing when you look at it in the framework they've chosen, but it's really pretty contrived.  The juvenile committed no crime at all under Ohio law.  He was just adjudicated delinquent based on having committed acts which, if here were and adult, would amount to rape.  He could have been held for the max, but then the court loses all jurisdiction after his release.  This way, they will be monitoring him closely (theoretically).  Nothing at all has been done to the hacker, and it's meaningless to guess what might happen to him, let alone create an injustice around which to rally based on this potentiality.
 
2014-01-14 03:47:22 PM  

MechaPyx: 10 years for tattling on someone. I know someone that got less time for armed robbery.


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2014-01-14 03:54:21 PM  
This reminds me of the crazy stories I read every day in various newspapers where the guy who molested a child gets 2 years and they guy who downloaded a video of it gets 20 years.  Makes no sense to me.

/both should get life
 
2014-01-14 03:54:32 PM  

The Muthaship: PsiChick: Yeah, the conversation is still about the  potential for the hacker to do more time than the rapist

So, do you want the penalties for hacking into other people's personal info and threatening to use it for blackmail purposes to be reduced because a juvenile wasn't held in juvie as long he possibly could be?

 I know the comparison here is disturbing when you look at it in the framework they've chosen, but it's really pretty contrived.  The juvenile committed no crime at all under Ohio law.  He was just adjudicated delinquent based on having committed acts which, if here were and adult, would amount to rape.  He could have been held for the max, but then the court loses all jurisdiction after his release.  This way, they will be monitoring him closely (theoretically).  Nothing at all has been done to the hacker, and it's meaningless to guess what might happen to him, let alone create an injustice around which to rally based on this potentiality.


No, it was rape. It's not 'if he were an adult it would amount to rape'. It was point-blank rape. That's sort of my issue here.
 
2014-01-14 03:56:43 PM  

PsiChick: It's not 'if he were an adult it would amount to rape'.


It is in Ohio.

And I agree it's stupid.

But, if you want to maintain separate courts for adults and teens, it's the price you must pay.  At least in Ohio's opinion.
 
2014-01-14 04:00:39 PM  

PsiChick: Hacker gets more time than rapist. Um...what part of that was confusing again? Or do we generally give more time to lesser crimes now?


It is widely acknowledged that the rapists got far less time than they should have, and, in fact, far less time than they could have been given under the law. This makes it a poor basis for comparison to the maximum sentence that the hacker might face.
 
2014-01-14 04:17:50 PM  

chairmenmeow47: The Richomond family, following the release,which focused on how hard the past 16 months have been for MaLik

won't someone PLEASE think of the football players!


Sports ball serious business.
 
2014-01-14 04:19:30 PM  
Sometimes I forget how much <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LawfulStupid ">Lawf ul Stupid</a> there is on Fark.
 
2014-01-14 04:19:33 PM  

Millennium: PsiChick: Hacker gets more time than rapist. Um...what part of that was confusing again? Or do we generally give more time to lesser crimes now?

It is widely acknowledged that the rapists got far less time than they should have, and, in fact, far less time than they could have been given under the law. This makes it a poor basis for comparison to the maximum sentence that the hacker might face.


Pretty much. If (big if) he is actually convicted and sentenced to more time than the actual rapist, then yes, I will be angered by this story.

More angered, I mean. There's really nothing about this case that isn't anger provoking.
 
2014-01-14 04:23:47 PM  

PsiChick: Lucky LaRue: doglover: EyeballKid: Lucky LaRue: I don't see how anyone can be upset that a criminal is getting punished.

You can do better than this to get attention, can't you?

He really can't.

You take things entirely too seriously.  How does this kid's fate - whether he walks away scott-free or goes to jail for the rest of his life - effect you in the slightest?

Well, as a woman, sending the message that hacking is a more serious crime than rape kind of affects me...and every other woman out there...

/And probably a few men, too
//But in America men rape women as a rule of thumb, who knows why


Women slut around on their man bringing disease home, as God intended.
 
2014-01-14 05:21:54 PM  

Lucky LaRue: html_007: Lucky LaRue: I don't see how anyone can be upset that a criminal is getting punished.

I see your point he broke the law.  I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished but damn 10 years?  That is a case of the punishment not fitting the crime.

Maybe, but I wonder if we (collectively) would say the same thing about the people that hacked Target and exposed the financial/personal information of 70 million people.  Do they deserve something less than 10 years?  The difference here is not in the crime, but in the outcome.  I am not particularly interested in having a body of laws that differentiates on outcome - if the judge chooses to do that, then fine, but let's keep the laws fair and balanced.


Actually, yes, we should, and though IANAL, I don't think I am incorrect in the assertion that there are times when prosecutors and judges are allowed to use their discretion to determine if the mitigating circumstances of a case (and I think that exposing all of the evidence the prosecution used in the Steubenville rape case, as well as some of the evidence used in the cases the prosecution mounted against the adults involved in covering up the crime, would qualify as 'mitigating circumstances' here) warrant a look at whether or not to proceed with a case and warrant mitigating sentencing in a case to a lower sentence than the maximum allowed under the law. I've seen and read of cases where both prosecutors and judges have made those decisions based on the latitude they have to do just that.

Could be the headline on the article is clickbait, but the more likely scenario in my opinion is that this guy is a member of Anonymous--and that, specifically, is probably why this is being pursued in this manner. If he were Joe Anybody from two streets over with no ties to Anon and Anon hadn't taken this on, I have my doubts as to whether or not this kid would be facing charges--or if he were facing charges, if they'd be anything more serious than a low-level misdemeanor.
 
2014-01-14 05:55:50 PM  

html_007: That is a case of the punishment not fitting the crime.


Are you stupid?  Hackers threatens the profits of the only people that count.  Corporations.
 
2014-01-14 05:57:41 PM  

PsiChick: But in America men rape women as a rule of thumb


Say what?  Are you suggesting all men are rapists?
 
2014-01-14 06:03:32 PM  

OgreMagi: PsiChick: But in America men rape women as a rule of thumb

Say what?  Are you suggesting all men are rapists?


...Uh, no, how the hell did you get that out of my post? I'm pointing out that there's a typical gender of rapist v. victim, not that all men are rapists.
 
2014-01-14 06:45:25 PM  

PsiChick: OgreMagi: PsiChick: But in America men rape women as a rule of thumb

Say what?  Are you suggesting all men are rapists?

...Uh, no, how the hell did you get that out of my post? I'm pointing out that there's a typical gender of rapist v. victim, not that all men are rapists.


It can be read that way. Phrasing is important. That's why contracts are written in near gibberish levels of redundant redundancy.
 
2014-01-14 08:34:57 PM  
The difference between the penalties in the two crimes highlights the judicial system's preference between the the two "victims"?
 
2014-01-15 02:03:45 AM  
While I can grin and applaud when the Anonymous people get involved in exposing coverups, or trolling what I think are appropriate targets, when they break laws to do it then they've committed a crime.  If they don't get caught/arrested, then fine.  If they get caught, I hope that the justice their actions might have brought at the time carries weight with people testifying on their behalf and/or with the sentencing.  If what this guy did was just and not post-fact grandstanding then see above.
 
2014-01-15 08:16:48 AM  
This case really bothers me. The utter lack of Justice involved, People in Ohio caring more for how the case affects the convicted rapists Ma'Lik Richmond and Trent Mays, rather than how their crimes affected their victim. Nobody taking those who attempted to cover up the crime to task, but the DA calling for the hacker's head, who announced to the world who the rapists (Ma'Lik Richmond and Trent Mays) were.

The whole situation really exposes just how screwed up our justice system is, as well as how screwed up our society is, especially when it comes to the Privileged Classes (The Rich, The Athletes, The Celebrities, etc).
 
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