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(Ivanhoe)   Politicians: "Drug testing kids will cut down on abuse of alcohol, marijuana, and tobacco." Researchers: "Yeah, about that"   (ivanhoe.com) divider line 113
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2014-01-14 08:12:02 AM  
We shouldn't consider drug testing any member of the public until testing is required to hold public office.


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2014-01-14 08:47:09 AM  
Capitalism doesn't work if the market isn't expanding, and the drug testing market is dealing with some real expansion problems.  They're running out of new subjects to drug test.  So in the interest of keeping their economy going, it will be easier if we just drug test everyone.  Not every day, you understand.  At least, not at first.
 
2014-01-14 09:06:49 AM  
Without RTFA, this should be obvious.

Drug testing is about dangling  possible consequences in front of you and making them happen if you fail.

Youth does not think nor care about consequences. They are young, practically immortal, with their whole lives ahead of them and they know they are indestructible as surely as they know all these adult rules are stupid and aren't for real.
 
2014-01-14 09:12:03 AM  
You know what does work?

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2014-01-14 09:12:24 AM  
Yeah in NO WAY would kids turn that into a game.

"Hey what did YOU test positive for?"
"No way that's 3 more drugs than I tested positive for"
 
2014-01-14 09:14:07 AM  
Um. This "Research" was just asking the students themselves?

What would we expect them to say?  "Yes, please test us more, it will really help me kick my afternoon habit of hiding behind the dumpster to get high."
 
2014-01-14 09:14:29 AM  
Around 20 percent of U.S. high schools have some drug testing policy


Wow.
 
2014-01-14 09:15:28 AM  
Is that site a throwback from 2002?
 
2014-01-14 09:15:55 AM  

generallyso: Around 20 percent of U.S. high schools have some drug testing policy


Wow.


seconded. what a waste of resources
 
2014-01-14 09:17:46 AM  
As we've learned from the military, testing for drugs leads to decreased marijuana use but increased use of cocaine and alcohol, which don't show up on the Monday drug test.
 
2014-01-14 09:20:34 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Capitalism doesn't work if the market isn't expanding, and the drug testing market is dealing with some real expansion problems.  They're running out of new subjects to drug test.  So in the interest of keeping their economy going, it will be easier if we just drug test everyone.  Not every day, you understand.  At least, not at first.


They can also expand the market by testing a wider variety of drugs.
 
2014-01-14 09:21:32 AM  
If you don't get with the flow on this you are probably a drug abusing apologist and we will get to you next! Everyone....get back in your cells!
 
2014-01-14 09:22:01 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Yeah in NO WAY would kids turn that into a game.

"Hey what did YOU test positive for?"
"No way that's 3 more drugs than I tested positive for"


You know the little shiats are researching foods that make you test positive for everything.  Personally, I would spring for enough poppyseed bagels and lemon poppy bread for the entire class.
 
2014-01-14 09:23:13 AM  

Krieghund: Marcus Aurelius: Capitalism doesn't work if the market isn't expanding, and the drug testing market is dealing with some real expansion problems.  They're running out of new subjects to drug test.  So in the interest of keeping their economy going, it will be easier if we just drug test everyone.  Not every day, you understand.  At least, not at first.

They can also expand the market by testing a wider variety of drugs.


Which will lead to an expansion of the market/development of new drugs. So, economic win-win?
 
2014-01-14 09:24:05 AM  

EvilEgg: DoBeDoBeDo: Yeah in NO WAY would kids turn that into a game.

"Hey what did YOU test positive for?"
"No way that's 3 more drugs than I tested positive for"

You know the little shiats are researching foods that make you test positive for everything.  Personally, I would spring for enough poppyseed bagels and lemon poppy bread for the entire class.


"Just a reminder, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes is handing out free poppyseed muffins in the cafeteria to raise awareness of ridiculous policies enacted by our school's administration."
 
2014-01-14 09:25:15 AM  
I'll take, "pandering to the old folk demographic" for $500, Alex...
 
2014-01-14 09:25:17 AM  

Prof. Frink: Krieghund: Marcus Aurelius: Capitalism doesn't work if the market isn't expanding, and the drug testing market is dealing with some real expansion problems.  They're running out of new subjects to drug test.  So in the interest of keeping their economy going, it will be easier if we just drug test everyone.  Not every day, you understand.  At least, not at first.

They can also expand the market by testing a wider variety of drugs.

Which will lead to an expansion of the market/development of new drugs. So, economic win-win?


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2014-01-14 09:25:43 AM  
FTFA - if schools had what students described as a "positive environment," with clear rules and respect between faculty and students, it curbed marijuana use by 20 percent and cigarette use by 15 percent.


Huh......   imagine that.......

I don't suppose this could be applied to the real world either........
 
2014-01-14 09:26:56 AM  
Proving to kids that you don't trust them is a great way to get them to not trust you.
 
2014-01-14 09:28:38 AM  
The only drug test you should be given is if you can roll a joint or not
 
2014-01-14 09:28:40 AM  
Cheating drug tests is an important life skill. I'm glad to see schools implementing such a practical lesson plan.
 
2014-01-14 09:29:36 AM  
Just pretend I THIS'd all the comments in this thread so far.
 
2014-01-14 09:30:01 AM  
This article is wrong, because my gut tells me drug testing works, my gut also told me to start Alex Smith over Peyton Manning in fantasy football.
 
2014-01-14 09:31:31 AM  

JohnnyC: Proving to kids that you don't trust them is a great way to get them to not trust you.


So simple and so true,
 
2014-01-14 09:33:33 AM  
Why not slap a criminal record on everyone from the minute they're born ?

Then we won't have to read about this bullshait anymore.

 Why isn't the m s m all over the chaos in Finland and Denmark, where cannabis has been virtually legal for 40 years ?
.
 
2014-01-14 09:34:10 AM  

Onkel Buck: The only drug test you should be given is if you can roll a joint or not


I could be in the AP class for that.
 
2014-01-14 09:34:11 AM  
How many future Michael Phelps's will be kicked off of swim teams because of this?  TOO MANY
 
2014-01-14 09:35:35 AM  
with clear rules and respect between faculty and students

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2014-01-14 09:35:57 AM  

plcow: What would we expect them to say? "Yes, please test us more, it will really help me kick my afternoon habit of hiding behind the dumpster to get high."


They didn't ask the kids if drug testing would make them less likely to use. They asked the kids about their use and whether or not their school did drug testing. It's a subtle, but important, difference.
 
2014-01-14 09:37:41 AM  

Thunderbox: Why not slap a criminal record on everyone from the minute they're born ?

Then we won't have to read about this bullshait anymore.

 Why isn't the m s m all over the chaos in Finland and Denmark, where cannabis has been virtually legal for 40 years ?
.

use of cannabis fell in the UK when it was downgraded from class B to class C, due to more education and a high level campaign highlighting the effects of smoking A LOT when your brain is still developing etc

education works. who'd a thought it
 
2014-01-14 09:37:58 AM  
I'm all for drug testing anyone who receives money from tax payers. You know, like politicians.
 
2014-01-14 09:38:43 AM  

Thunderbox: Why not slap a criminal record on everyone from the minute they're born ?


Then we would need to join a special group to remove this original record or "sin" from us, perhaps if it's founder could punished in some way, it would symbolically serve as punishment for the whole group.

 
2014-01-14 09:40:27 AM  
1) Moar drug testing!
2) Profit! for the drug testing companies.
3) Oops, you pissed dirty.  Off to prison with you.
4) Profit! for the private prison industry.
5) Oh schitt, we don't have enough college graduates!
6) Moar H1-Bs!
7) Profit!...
8) Profit?  HOW THE FARK DO YOU GREEDY BASTARDS PLAN TO PROFIT WHEN NO ONE HAS ANY MONEY?
 
2014-01-14 09:45:20 AM  
Thunderbox

Why not slap a criminal record on everyone from the minute they're born ?


In my lifetime I am sure kids will be micro-chipped like pets are.. you know for $aftey.
 
2014-01-14 09:45:43 AM  
That website looks like it really appeals to the Reader's Digest demographic.

They could probably dramatically increase their distribution if they offered to mail printouts of the web pages with a large format option.
 
2014-01-14 09:49:15 AM  

plcow: This "Research" was just asking the students themselves? What would we expect them to say?


Whatever gets you the numbers you need.
 
2014-01-14 09:52:13 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Thunderbox

Why not slap a criminal record on everyone from the minute they're born ?


In my lifetime I am sure kids will be micro-chipped like pets are.. you know for $aftey.


http://www.tracking-system.com/for-consumers/gps-tracking-children/7 40 -gps-tracking-chip-for-children.html
 
2014-01-14 09:53:22 AM  
In their ideal situation what are they doing testing they blood daily? We need logistics
 
2014-01-14 09:53:38 AM  

plcow: Um. This "Research" was just asking the students themselves?

What would we expect them to say?  "Yes, please test us more, it will really help me kick my afternoon habit of hiding behind the dumpster to get high."


Bingo!

/research
 
2014-01-14 09:56:14 AM  
Though I'm familiar with the US's love of drug testing without any reason, I still can't imagine how Americans consider themselves free.  Yes, your government has a fancy constitution but it seems it's just offloaded a lot of the authoritarian stuff to private entities.  Yes, you're protected by the 4th amendment, but if you want to work here, you have to submit to a drug test.  Yes, expression is protected by the 1st amendment, but the MPAA will act as defacto censors.
 
2014-01-14 09:58:21 AM  

berylman: JohnnyC: Proving to kids that you don't trust them is a great way to get them to not trust you.

So simple and so true,


Thirded.
 
2014-01-14 09:58:44 AM  
Lee Jackson Beauregard:
8) Profit?  HOW THE FARK DO YOU GREEDY BASTARDS PLAN TO PROFIT WHEN NO ONE HAS ANY MONEY?

When you are skinning your customers, you should leave some skin on to heal, so that you can skin them again.
-Nikita Krushchev
 
2014-01-14 09:59:06 AM  

Strik3r: FTFA - if schools had what students described as a "positive environment," with clear rules and respect between faculty and students, it curbed marijuana use by 20 percent and cigarette use by 15 percent.


Huh......   imagine that.......

I don't suppose this could be applied to the real world either........


This is what I was thinking. Want people to stop using drugs? Make the world suck just a little bit less. Not likely to happen.
 
2014-01-14 10:01:01 AM  
It's almost as if they WANT young people to say "F*ck it. We're burning this sh*t DOWN! ALL OF IT!!"

And now many of them have guns. This will not end well.
 
2014-01-14 10:02:13 AM  

Mercutio74: Though I'm familiar with the US's love of drug testing without any reason, I still can't imagine how Americans consider themselves free.


That's the power of propaganda through a complicit media.
 
2014-01-14 10:02:59 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Yeah in NO WAY would kids turn that into a game.

"Hey what did YOU test positive for?"
"No way that's 3 more drugs than I tested positive for"


I suspect some of my patients have that game going.
 
2014-01-14 10:03:27 AM  

here to help: It's almost as if they WANT young people to say "F*ck it. We're burning this sh*t DOWN! ALL OF IT!!"

And now many of them have guns. This will not end well.


How dare you bring an innocent gun into this discussion about horrible, untrustable children.
 
2014-01-14 10:04:04 AM  

EvilEgg: We shouldn't consider drug testing any member of the public until testing is required to hold public office.


Where the hell were you 15 years ago??

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2014-01-14 10:04:40 AM  
ARRRGH!  The bad statistics, they make my brain hurt!

They measured PERCEPTION, and came to that conclusion?  That's just statistically disgusting/dishonest.

The proper conclusion is that students would prefer to be trusted/respected and kept informed and prefer not to be tested like animals.  This says nothing about how such testing would ACTUALLY affect drug use.

My anecdotal evidence:  I worked for the government and was subject to drug tests.  During that time, when I was often asked to get high at parties.  I declined, because of the testing and not wanting to lose my job.
 
2014-01-14 10:07:12 AM  

Thunderbox: Why not slap a criminal record on everyone from the minute they're born ?


That's a Christian precept.  It's called Original Sin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Baptist
 
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