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(Popular Science)   Remember all those PopSci covers from the '50s and '60s featuring the ultra-futuristic "Car of Tomorrow"? Well, it's here now, it's made by Volkswagen, it looks cool as hell ... and it gets 261 miles per gallon   (popsci.com) divider line 173
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2014-01-14 07:24:44 AM  
And it isn't just a concept car...wow, I'm impressed.
 
2014-01-14 07:49:07 AM  
How's the heater?
 
2014-01-14 08:12:13 AM  
Fix the cigarette lighter, and it's the new Bluesmobile.
 
2014-01-14 08:26:31 AM  
...and it can be yours for the low price of just $126,999
 
2014-01-14 08:29:53 AM  
To reduce drag, they removed side-view mirrors

That doesn't sound safe.
 
2014-01-14 08:31:56 AM  
per gallon?  i read that as per tank.
 
2014-01-14 08:38:05 AM  

SlothB77: per gallon?  i read that as per tank.


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2014-01-14 08:52:11 AM  

SlothB77: per gallon? i read that as per tank.


With the car lighter and slipperier, the 830cc, two-cylinder diesel engine and the 20kW electric motor can propel the XL1 well over 500 miles on a single 2.6-gallon tank of fuel.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-14 09:00:01 AM  
That's an awesome car.  I would buy one if the price gets reasonable.
 
2014-01-14 09:05:53 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: To reduce drag, they removed side-view mirrors

That doesn't sound safe.


It has cameras that feed video to screens on the interior side panels.

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2014-01-14 09:07:40 AM  
You have to give to the Germans - they make great cars!
 
2014-01-14 09:09:08 AM  
It's pretty easy when you make it an electric car with a generator attached to it.

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2014-01-14 09:12:51 AM  

vpb: That's an awesome car.  I would buy one if the price gets reasonable.


Hell, build one that has the same sort of philosophy but gets 75+ mpg, enough alternator oomph to power a 50 watt radio transmitter, and price it in the $20,000-ish range, and I'd snap one up.
 
2014-01-14 09:14:39 AM  

Sybarite: Three Crooked Squirrels: To reduce drag, they removed side-view mirrors

That doesn't sound safe.

It has cameras that feed video to screens on the interior side panels.

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Well that's pretty frickin' awesome.
 
2014-01-14 09:22:04 AM  
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2014-01-14 09:23:13 AM  
I bet it crumples like a little biatch if you get into an accident.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-14 09:23:24 AM  

dittybopper: vpb: That's an awesome car.  I would buy one if the price gets reasonable.

Hell, build one that has the same sort of philosophy but gets 75+ mpg, enough alternator oomph to power a 50 watt radio transmitter, and price it in the $20,000-ish range, and I'd snap one up.


I think someone will.  After the trendy crowd with money finances the technology by buying expensive "green bling" it will become mainstream.
 
2014-01-14 09:26:44 AM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: I bet it crumples like a little biatch if you get into an accident.


And you'll need a TV Repairman to fix the side mirrors, too.
 
2014-01-14 09:35:24 AM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: I bet it crumples like a little biatch if you get into an accident.


Volkswagen frames are generally made of steel, not aluminum. I drove a Jetta for ten years and it was like a really small tank.
 
2014-01-14 09:59:02 AM  
"If the fan belt breaks, we use a rubber band!" brrrrrrrrrrm
 
2014-01-14 10:02:24 AM  

Nabb1: Volkswagen frames are generally made of steel, not aluminum. I drove a Jetta for ten years and it was like a really small tank.


Except that this particular Volkswagen has a carbon fiber frame.. not steel or even aluminum.  Carbon fiber has a habit of shattering.  This could be.... interesting.
 
2014-01-14 10:03:37 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Nabb1: Volkswagen frames are generally made of steel, not aluminum. I drove a Jetta for ten years and it was like a really small tank.

Except that this particular Volkswagen has a carbon fiber frame.. not steel or even aluminum.  Carbon fiber has a habit of shattering.  This could be.... interesting.


Huh. I'd drive it. Not sure I'd put my kids in it, though.
 
2014-01-14 10:04:40 AM  
Does it come in black? Preferably with red trim. And a turbine engine.
 
2014-01-14 10:05:00 AM  
U.S. safety regulations make importing the car tricky, but Hackenberg says that Americans may see the XL1's efficient engine in future VWs.

...which, thanks to the safety gear and US accessories, will probably get about the same mileage as their competition.

/try selling a car in the US without air conditioning
 
2014-01-14 10:06:00 AM  

gopher321: And it isn't just a concept car...wow, I'm impressed.


It was a concept last year, or maybe two years ago. I was about to whine about old news when I saw that it is now a production model.
 
2014-01-14 10:06:14 AM  
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I don't want to set the world on fire!
 
2014-01-14 10:08:25 AM  
Awesome! Another car I won't be able to afford.
 
2014-01-14 10:09:07 AM  
FTFA:
Top speed: 99 mph
I think the cars of the future were going faster than that when at cruising speed, not top speed.
 
2014-01-14 10:09:22 AM  

Langston: ...and it can be yours for the low price of just $126,999


Sorta like buying all the gas upfront then..........
 
2014-01-14 10:09:51 AM  
I don't care how much it helps with fuel economy, covered wheels look stupid and I will never buy a car that has them.
 
2014-01-14 10:09:53 AM  

jfarkinB: U.S. safety regulations make importing the car tricky, but Hackenberg says that Americans may see the XL1's efficient engine in future VWs.

...which, thanks to the safety gear and US accessories, will probably get about the same mileage as their competition.

/try selling a car in the US without air conditioning


I would not buy a car that didn't have air conditioning.
 
2014-01-14 10:10:24 AM  
Too bad it makes you sniff pickles.
 
2014-01-14 10:11:13 AM  
With the car lighter and slipperier, the 830cc, two-cylinder diesel engine and the 20kW electric motor can propel the XL1 well over 500 miles on a single 2.6-gallon tank of fuel.

 At the 291mpg cited earlier wouldnt a 2.6 gal tank lead to 678 mile range? or if you want OVER 650 MILES
 
2014-01-14 10:11:57 AM  
"U.S. safety regulations make importing the car tricky ..."

Of course.  God forbid we have nice things here.
 
2014-01-14 10:13:35 AM  

gopher321: And it isn't just a concept car...wow, I'm impressed.


Might as well be as far as the US is concerned.
 
2014-01-14 10:15:10 AM  

Ivandrago: I don't care how much it helps with fuel economy, covered wheels look stupid and I will never buy a car that has them.



You can take the covers off!  Only a small hit to economy.
 
2014-01-14 10:15:28 AM  

kregh99: "U.S. safety regulations make importing the car tricky ..."

Of course.  God forbid we have nice things here.


If we did import it, the first time a kid got killed in an accident that would have been survivable in a Hyundai Accent everyone would be screaming that they don't care about kids.
 
2014-01-14 10:16:51 AM  
74 HP? Yeah that will get you killed trying to get up to speed on most roads today.
 
2014-01-14 10:17:25 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Nabb1: Volkswagen frames are generally made of steel, not aluminum. I drove a Jetta for ten years and it was like a really small tank.

Except that this particular Volkswagen has a carbon fiber frame.. not steel or even aluminum.  Carbon fiber has a habit of shattering.  This could be.... interesting.


Which brings up another interesting point:  How do you fix one that's been in an accident?
 
2014-01-14 10:18:47 AM  

vudukungfu: omnibus_necanda_sunt: I bet it crumples like a little biatch if you get into an accident.

And you'll need a TV Repairman to fix the side mirrors, too.


Well, make up your mind. Is he gonna shiat, or is he gonna kill us?
 
2014-01-14 10:19:25 AM  

dittybopper: Click Click D'oh: Nabb1: Volkswagen frames are generally made of steel, not aluminum. I drove a Jetta for ten years and it was like a really small tank.

Except that this particular Volkswagen has a carbon fiber frame.. not steel or even aluminum.  Carbon fiber has a habit of shattering.  This could be.... interesting.

Which brings up another interesting point:  How do you fix one that's been in an accident?


Buy a new frame.
 
2014-01-14 10:19:49 AM  

dittybopper: Click Click D'oh: Nabb1: Volkswagen frames are generally made of steel, not aluminum. I drove a Jetta for ten years and it was like a really small tank.

Except that this particular Volkswagen has a carbon fiber frame.. not steel or even aluminum.  Carbon fiber has a habit of shattering.  This could be.... interesting.

Which brings up another interesting point:  How do you fix one that's been in an accident?


If it's built like a crown vic you just pull all the stuff off of it and replace the frame.
 
2014-01-14 10:21:14 AM  
Price of Prius: $24000
(Expected) Price of  XL1: $145000
Difference: 121000

MPGs: 48 vs 261
Assuming $3 per gallon of gas, that's $0.0625 per mile for the Prius and $0.0115 per mile for the XL1

So the XL1's fuel efficiency would pay for the difference in price if you drove it 2.37 million miles.

Of course, gas is more expensive in Europe, where this is going to be sold. And if it catches on and the technology proliferates, the price will come down.

Still cool that they could even do this.
 
2014-01-14 10:21:21 AM  

Ivandrago: I don't care how much it helps with fuel economy, covered wheels look stupid and I will never buy a car that has them.


Make no mistake, it's not because they're stupid that you'll never buy one, but because you can't afford it.

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Nevermind, you're right. Bugattis and Dusenbergs are stupid and nobody should, or does, want them because of wheel covers.
 
2014-01-14 10:23:05 AM  

steamingpile: 74 HP? Yeah that will get you killed trying to get up to speed on most roads today.



It does 0-60 in just over 12s.  Sure it's slow but it's basically like an early 2000 or older civic, a modern smart cart, or a hummer h2.
 
2014-01-14 10:24:17 AM  

steamingpile: 74 HP? Yeah that will get you killed trying to get up to speed on most roads today.


Are you familiar with power-to-weight ratio?

It's...kind of a big deal with cars. Kind of.

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2014-01-14 10:24:31 AM  

dittybopper: Click Click D'oh: Nabb1: Volkswagen frames are generally made of steel, not aluminum. I drove a Jetta for ten years and it was like a really small tank.

Except that this particular Volkswagen has a carbon fiber frame.. not steel or even aluminum.  Carbon fiber has a habit of shattering.  This could be.... interesting.

Which brings up another interesting point:  How do you fix one that's been in an accident?


Carbon fiber shatters on impact absorbing all the force. If it's done right you can make it just as safe as steel. But after an accident that does any damage to the frame there's no repairing anything.

Hopefully it's done in segments because you can't just replace "part" of a carbon fiber piece. A single piece frame that gets damaged would require complete dis-assembly of the car.
 
2014-01-14 10:24:34 AM  

steamingpile: 74 HP? Yeah that will get you killed trying to get up to speed on most roads today.


Goes from 0 to 62 MPH in 11.9 seconds.

That's about the same as my Hyundai Accent, and I don't usually have any difficulties merging on to highways.
 
2014-01-14 10:26:14 AM  

dittybopper: Click Click D'oh: Nabb1: Volkswagen frames are generally made of steel, not aluminum. I drove a Jetta for ten years and it was like a really small tank.

Except that this particular Volkswagen has a carbon fiber frame.. not steel or even aluminum.  Carbon fiber has a habit of shattering.  This could be.... interesting.

Which brings up another interesting point:  How do you fix one that's been in an accident?


You don't if the accident was strong. That's the same with pretty much all modern cars... they're so complicated that it's usually easier to write it off. I've seen recently new cars get written off because of a fender bender that destroyed the intercooler. It was old enough that repairing it was not economical.

Then again the structure is likely not just carbon fiber... Most modern CF designs use metal wire or kevlar threads to add stability and use interesting epoxies that allow bending and resist shattering. This car also doesn't have a 'frame' in the normal sense but has a space frame and uni body (like most cars produced in the last 30 years). That means an accident already transmits the energy around the passenger compartment and makes most normal accidents survivable. Old cars would just fall apart and bend all over the place because the structure was not designed to take impact forces.
 
2014-01-14 10:27:30 AM  

grinding_journalist: steamingpile: 74 HP? Yeah that will get you killed trying to get up to speed on most roads today.

Are you familiar with power-to-weight ratio?

It's...kind of a big deal with cars. Kind of.

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In the EU you've got a better base for power to weight. in the US, you're working from a disadvantage.

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