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2014-01-14 08:46:31 AM
"We spaced on the date, man!"
 
2014-01-14 08:46:48 AM
Who would have thought the Millenials would have been good for something.
 
2014-01-14 08:47:32 AM
Also, considering the "turn out numbers" on voting day, so does most of the US...
 
2014-01-14 08:49:24 AM
NOT smoking weed makes you stupid, lazy and obese. So obvious.
 
2014-01-14 08:51:14 AM
You'd be amazed at how many productive working professionals enjoy unwinding with a joint at the end of a long day.

Of course they are all white collar workers that don't have to worry about being tested.

/drug tests are for those working class slobs
//and welfare recipients
///hypocrisy in action
 
2014-01-14 08:51:17 AM
To be fair, the "pot vote" never had anyone to vote for.
 
2014-01-14 08:51:29 AM
One problem is that the issue is split (to an extent) on both sides. The pro-incarceration Right conflicts with the "libertarian" right, and the pro-education Left conflicts with the anti-incarceration left.
 
2014-01-14 08:52:46 AM

CeroX: Also, considering the "turn out numbers" on voting day, so does most of the US...


I think the pot vote is slightly higher (whoops that's a pun) because the kind of folk who either don't care about the law or "rebelrebelrebel I'm for liberty and green/libertarian/communist/whatsit" DON'T VOTE, as a protest, a pointless, useless protest that their opponents WANT them to engage in, but a protest nonetheless.

But if 60% of stoners don't vote and 50% of the public in general don't vote, it's not that big of a difference.
 
2014-01-14 08:54:00 AM

clkeagle: One problem is that the issue is split (to an extent) on both sides. The pro-incarceration Right conflicts with the "libertarian" right, and the pro-education Left conflicts with the anti-incarceration left.


If you think there's a significant split over this issue on the left you must be high.
 
2014-01-14 09:02:10 AM

LittleSmitty: To be fair, the "pot vote" never had anyone to vote for.


Well, we have a Tea Party....I've been saying it's only a matter of time before we have a Weed Party.
 
2014-01-14 09:02:55 AM

RevCarter: clkeagle: One problem is that the issue is split (to an extent) on both sides. The pro-incarceration Right conflicts with the "libertarian" right, and the pro-education Left conflicts with the anti-incarceration left.

If you think there's a significant split over this issue on the left you must be high.


It's a crossover point on education.  With the particularly effective duck call of "think of the children" and a base of "really conservative but branded as liberal because of Overton window" suburbanites they get plenty of legislation and elections that run on "we need to stop these damn drug dealers out of our schools!" outrage.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-14 09:03:05 AM
I don't really think that there are enough single issue voters on this issue to matter.

Unless it becomes a culture war issue like abortion that is.
 
2014-01-14 09:03:56 AM

TheBigJerk: RevCarter: clkeagle: One problem is that the issue is split (to an extent) on both sides. The pro-incarceration Right conflicts with the "libertarian" right, and the pro-education Left conflicts with the anti-incarceration left.

If you think there's a significant split over this issue on the left you must be high.

It's a crossover point on education.  With the particularly effective duck call of "think of the children" and a base of "really conservative but branded as liberal because of Overton window" suburbanites they get plenty of legislation and elections that run on "we need to stop these damn drug dealers out of our schools!" outrage.


Point of order: I'm not sure how big that demographic is compared to the rest of "liberal" in general.
 
2014-01-14 09:06:27 AM
Until Democrats/Republicans actually attempt to implement their party platforms instead of simply giving us more of the same I'm not sure how any of this is supposed to matter. For farks sake the country voted for a platform literally consisting of 'Change' and got more of the same.
 
2014-01-14 09:07:00 AM
FTFA:
"It's a pretty transparent ploy," said Rick Wilson, a Republican strategist who once worked for Crist and now supports Scott, 61, a former health-care executive.

S
o when the Rpubs do this it is OK, and when the Dems do the same things it is a transparent ploy.

/Typical politics
 
2014-01-14 09:08:37 AM
The NH house votes to legalize up to 1 ounce tomorrow.
 
2014-01-14 09:09:10 AM

ristst: LittleSmitty: To be fair, the "pot vote" never had anyone to vote for.

Well, we have a Tea Party....I've been saying it's only a matter of time before we have a Weed Party.



You mean to tell me OWS wasn't the weed party? What were they exactly? Did they ever get it figured out?
 
2014-01-14 09:09:14 AM

TheBigJerk: TheBigJerk: RevCarter: clkeagle: One problem is that the issue is split (to an extent) on both sides. The pro-incarceration Right conflicts with the "libertarian" right, and the pro-education Left conflicts with the anti-incarceration left.

If you think there's a significant split over this issue on the left you must be high.

It's a crossover point on education.  With the particularly effective duck call of "think of the children" and a base of "really conservative but branded as liberal because of Overton window" suburbanites they get plenty of legislation and elections that run on "we need to stop these damn drug dealers out of our schools!" outrage.

Point of order: I'm not sure how big that demographic is compared to the rest of "liberal" in general.


It's hard to figure out what actual liberals are left in this country. They certainly exist, but they are politically voiceless.
 
2014-01-14 09:11:09 AM

generallyso: Until Democrats/Republicans actually attempt to implement their party platforms instead of simply giving us more of the same I'm not sure how any of this is supposed to matter. For farks sake the country voted for a platform literally consisting of 'Change' and got more of the same.


The only change was the letter after the presidents name and for a lot of people that was enough.
 
2014-01-14 09:11:25 AM
It's not so much the vote that's gonna be interesting, but the campaign donors. Pot distributors are making a killing right now, and despite this initial surge subsiding at some point, these  businesseswill be flush with cash for a while.
 
2014-01-14 09:12:27 AM
The youth demographic is much smaller than the AARP demographic in Florida...but the aging process is painful, and pot can help with that, so...we shall see.

/regular pot user
//regular voter, too
///also Millennial
//slashies
 
2014-01-14 09:12:43 AM
My vote would be to legalize and tax it. The problem with "legalization" is the same problem we have with alcohol already - "legal" is interpreted to mean "I can light up any time." One interesting part will be how the "nonsmoking (cigarettes)" movements affect it.

For me, I don't want to smell like any of the three (drunk, cigarettes, MJ).

It also means that we need to come up with some means of measuring impairment, not just a THC metabolite number. Whatever happens, keep it away from me; I work in an industry that is required to random test (transport-related).

It will be interesting, indeed.
 
2014-01-14 09:14:58 AM

lake_huron: "We spaced on the date, man!"


www.ismokeherb.co.uk
 
2014-01-14 09:16:41 AM
As has been pointed out already, there are not enough people out there to make this an important single issue political movement yet. However, I know a lot of both liberal and conservative voters who are both for and against the issue, which really makes for strange allies. There are a lot of complexities that are part of the discussion for both sides.
 
2014-01-14 09:17:35 AM
That's why this pothead votes absentee.
 
2014-01-14 09:17:51 AM

Onkel Buck: ristst: LittleSmitty: To be fair, the "pot vote" never had anyone to vote for.

Well, we have a Tea Party....I've been saying it's only a matter of time before we have a Weed Party.


You mean to tell me OWS wasn't the weed party? What were they exactly? Did they ever get it figured out?


I was thinking more of an actual campaign platform, kinda like what FDR did back in '32 when he ran for president promising to repeal prohibition.

Check this from Wiki...doesn't it sound exactly like what we're *finally* admitting publicly now?

"Five years of Prohibition have had, at least, this one benign effect: they have completely disposed of all the favorite arguments of the Prohibitionists. None of the great boons and usufructs that were to follow the passage of the Eighteenth Amendment has come to pass. There is not less drunkenness in the Republic, but more. There is not less crime, but more. There is not less insanity, but more. The cost of government is not smaller, but vastly greater. Respect for law has not increased, but diminished."
 
2014-01-14 09:19:40 AM

generallyso: Until Democrats/Republicans actually attempt to implement their party platforms instead of simply giving us more of the same I'm not sure how any of this is supposed to matter. For farks sake the country voted for a platform literally consisting of 'Change' and got more of the same.


-Gays can now serve openly in the military
-Pre-existing conditions no longer prevent people from getting insurance
-We are no longer in Iraq

That's just off the top of my head. The problem for many people, though, is that this kind of change takes time. And when it didn't happen instantly in 2009, what with the economy in the toilet, those morons, sorry, morans, decided to stay home in 2010, despite the fact that staying home meant that the Tea Party would get to run things. If you didn't vote in 2010, the Tea Party is your fault.

Now, is this current administration perfect? Certainly not. The fact that they kept a lot of bad Bush era policies and actually made a few of them worse has not gone unnoticed. There wasn't enough change from that era.

But given the state of the GOP and their aggressive regressive agenda, I'll take the Democrats any day. I'll always side with incompetent over evil.
 
2014-01-14 09:35:01 AM

ristst: Onkel Buck: ristst: LittleSmitty: To be fair, the "pot vote" never had anyone to vote for.

Well, we have a Tea Party....I've been saying it's only a matter of time before we have a Weed Party.


You mean to tell me OWS wasn't the weed party? What were they exactly? Did they ever get it figured out?

I was thinking more of an actual campaign platform, kinda like what FDR did back in '32 when he ran for president promising to repeal prohibition.

Check this from Wiki...doesn't it sound exactly like what we're *finally* admitting publicly now?

"Five years of Prohibition have had, at least, this one benign effect: they have completely disposed of all the favorite arguments of the Prohibitionists. None of the great boons and usufructs that were to follow the passage of the Eighteenth Amendment has come to pass. There is not less drunkenness in the Republic, but more. There is not less crime, but more. There is not less insanity, but more. The cost of government is not smaller, but vastly greater. Respect for law has not increased, but diminished."


Check out Ken Burns documentary on prohibition, it might still be on Netflix. Its a 3 part series. It was very interesting especially the first episode.
 
2014-01-14 09:40:13 AM

vpb: I don't really think that there are enough single issue voters on this issue to matter.


I would argue that a politician who is pro-legalization is likely to agree with me on a number of other things. Sure, I wouldn't vote for a guy who was pro-legalization if I disagreed with all of his other positions, but that person is unlikely to exist.
 
2014-01-14 09:43:48 AM

soporific: If you didn't vote in 2010, the Tea Party is your fault.


QFT
 
2014-01-14 09:45:36 AM
spelletrader:
Of course they are all white collar workers that don't have to worry about being tested.

They also make more, so are able to avoid law enforcement by paying a price that reflects the risk involved.
 
2014-01-14 09:48:01 AM

Trail of Dead: NOT smoking weed makes you stupid, lazy and obese. So obvious.


If you mean depressed and/or alcoholic, you would be correct.
 
2014-01-14 09:53:31 AM
All of the idiots who never voted before did so for their first time with Obama so why wouldn't all of the stoned idiots vote for their first time for legal weed?

/stoned idiot
 
2014-01-14 09:56:14 AM
Subby is so gonna get some flack for that headline.  Later in the day.
 
2014-01-14 10:10:26 AM

thurstonxhowell: vpb: I don't really think that there are enough single issue voters on this issue to matter.

I would argue that a politician who is pro-legalization is likely to agree with me on a number of other things. Sure, I wouldn't vote for a guy who was pro-legalization if I disagreed with all of his other positions, but that person is unlikely to exist.


I find this hard to believe, considering both far-left and far-right (anti-government types) tend to be pro-legalization.
 
2014-01-14 10:20:28 AM

thurstonxhowell: vpb: I don't really think that there are enough single issue voters on this issue to matter.

I would argue that a politician who is pro-legalization is likely to agree with me on a number of other things. Sure, I wouldn't vote for a guy who was pro-legalization if I disagreed with all of his other positions, but that person is unlikely to exist.


If i was running for president, i'd legalize pot to the same extent as alcohol, tax it, legalize prostitution and tax it as well as institute regulations such as mandatory condom usage, and weekly std screenings. I'd also want caps on all executive compensation, and raise the minimum wage to 15$ an hour.
 
2014-01-14 10:21:54 AM
he has contributed more than $3 million to the pot effort so far.

that's a lot of dimes.
 
2014-01-14 10:22:45 AM

shirtsbyeric: All of the idiots who never voted before did so for their first time with Obama so why wouldn't all of the stoned idiots vote for their first time for legal weed?

/stoned idiot


Which is funny, because I've never done drugs, and the last election was the first time in my adult life that I didn't vote, nor do I plan to bother anymore because the system is corrupt, the players are all pawns, and the plutocrats who are really in charge just arrange the event to make people  feel  like they have some sort of control over their fate, when in fact the true leaders are always the same people, and they select the figureheads for us.

It's all a clever lie. Our election system is as fake as pro wrestling: The outcome is pre-determined, but the actors are still doing their own stunts.
 
2014-01-14 10:34:55 AM

ZeroCorpse: shirtsbyeric: All of the idiots who never voted before did so for their first time with Obama so why wouldn't all of the stoned idiots vote for their first time for legal weed?

/stoned idiot

Which is funny, because I've never done drugs, and the last election was the first time in my adult life that I didn't vote, nor do I plan to bother anymore because the system is corrupt, the players are all pawns, and the plutocrats who are really in charge just arrange the event to make people  feel  like they have some sort of control over their fate, when in fact the true leaders are always the same people, and they select the figureheads for us.

It's all a clever lie. Our election system is as fake as pro wrestling: The outcome is pre-determined, but the actors are still doing their own stunts.


That's why I vote straight anti-incumbent no matter what. If we can get the lifers out of Washington part of that power structure can break down. All the commitees/boards/etc are structured on seniority.

/because you're right, this game is rigged
//new guy will be just like the old guy but with less power
 
2014-01-14 10:39:00 AM

ZeroCorpse: shirtsbyeric: All of the idiots who never voted before did so for their first time with Obama so why wouldn't all of the stoned idiots vote for their first time for legal weed?

/stoned idiot

Which is funny, because I've never done drugs, and the last election was the first time in my adult life that I didn't vote, nor do I plan to bother anymore because the system is corrupt, the players are all pawns, and the plutocrats who are really in charge just arrange the event to make people  feel  like they have some sort of control over their fate, when in fact the true leaders are always the same people, and they select the figureheads for us.

It's all a clever lie. Our election system is as fake as pro wrestling: The outcome is pre-determined, but the actors are still doing their own stunts.



so you believe the entire government is just a puppet show being controlled by some sort of illuminati?

dustincharles.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-14 10:43:39 AM

ZeroCorpse: shirtsbyeric: All of the idiots who never voted before did so for their first time with Obama so why wouldn't all of the stoned idiots vote for their first time for legal weed?

/stoned idiot

Which is funny, because I've never done drugs, and the last election was the first time in my adult life that I didn't vote, nor do I plan to bother anymore because the system is corrupt, the players are all pawns, and the plutocrats who are really in charge just arrange the event to make people  feel  like they have some sort of control over their fate, when in fact the true leaders are always the same people, and they select the figureheads for us.

It's all a clever lie. Our election system is as fake as pro wrestling: The outcome is pre-determined, but the actors are still doing their own stunts.


Somebody's been watching The Matrix again.
 
2014-01-14 11:31:12 AM

ZeroCorpse: the last election was the first time in my adult life that I didn't vote, nor do I plan to bother anymore because the system is corrupt, the players are all pawns, and the plutocrats who are really in charge just arrange the event to make people feel like they have some sort of control over their fate, when in fact the true leaders are always the same people, and they select the figureheads for us. It's all a clever lie. Our election system is as fake as pro wrestling: The outcome is pre-determined, but the actors are still doing their own stunts.


Everything is proceeding according to plan. If you can't get people to vote Republican, get them to not vote at all.
 
2014-01-14 11:32:11 AM
The country is moving left, and woe be it for those standing in the way. We've got gay marriage and pot. Don't worry though, gun lovers; you've won. Ain't no one got time for that.

If the last six years are any indication, this political season is on the verge of being eminently entertaining.
Hold on to your ankles, 'cause the 2016 election has already started.
 
2014-01-14 11:37:26 AM
Wow, Subby.  Could you have used a more busted and old cliche?  Been smoking for 20 years now, and have never missed a vote.
 
2014-01-14 11:53:02 AM

Onkel Buck: Did they ever get it figured out?


Yeah, they did. There really wasn't a time when it wasn't "figured out". The problem is, the news showed you a guy popping a squat on a police car, and you decided that was the entire story and never bothered to look further.

/The anti-OWS folks have truly amazing PR people working for them. The fact that people still say "just what the hell was that whole OWS thing about, anyway?" un-ironically is just staggering to me.
 
2014-01-14 11:53:09 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: The country is moving left socially while fiscally we are farther right than we've ever been, and woe be it for those standing in the way. We've got gay marriage and pot. Don't worry though, gun lovers; you've won. Ain't no one got time for that.

If the last six years are any indication, this political season is on the verge of being eminently entertaining.
Hold on to your ankles, 'cause the 2016 election has already started.


 FTFY
 
2014-01-14 12:29:10 PM
Here in Florida it will take a while, we're not even close. The state legislature just passed another new pipe and bong law last year which was applauded by the monopoly press here locally.

The money that is available from keeping it illegal plays a huge role in keeping it illegal. Every local county now has a helicopter to hunt out marijuana fields, the cops get to keep a percentage of the cash they confiscate and they sell the drug dealers personal items at auctions for more funds. Drug arrests for marijuana are the bread and butter of local defense attorneys, and even if they get you off one has pay fines, go to substance abuse schools and do community service, ie free work for select voting blocks. And that's only at the local level.

On the state level you have the for profit prison industry, lobbyists who are well known for pouring millions of dollars into the pockets of the state legislators, a task made easier by last years "ethics reform", which now allows them to legally "donate" three times as much money as before. Not to mention the choke hold that the Florida Bar association has over them. Any changes to the marijuana laws has to go through this corrupt crowd first. The only way that the legislators are going to give up their personal benefits from keeping marijuana illegal is to be forced to by vote---and in Florida you have to go through them to even get it put up for a vote.

The only way that it will ever become legal down here is if the Federal government forces them to make it legal.
 
2014-01-14 12:42:45 PM

varmitydog: Here in Florida it will take a while, we're not even close. The state legislature just passed another new pipe and bong law last year which was applauded by the monopoly press here locally.

The money that is available from keeping it illegal plays a huge role in keeping it illegal. Every local county now has a helicopter to hunt out marijuana fields, the cops get to keep a percentage of the cash they confiscate and they sell the drug dealers personal items at auctions for more funds. Drug arrests for marijuana are the bread and butter of local defense attorneys, and even if they get you off one has pay fines, go to substance abuse schools and do community service, ie free work for select voting blocks. And that's only at the local level.

On the state level you have the for profit prison industry, lobbyists who are well known for pouring millions of dollars into the pockets of the state legislators, a task made easier by last years "ethics reform", which now allows them to legally "donate" three times as much money as before. Not to mention the choke hold that the Florida Bar association has over them. Any changes to the marijuana laws has to go through this corrupt crowd first. The only way that the legislators are going to give up their personal benefits from keeping marijuana illegal is to be forced to by vote---and in Florida you have to go through them to even get it put up for a vote.

The only way that it will ever become legal down here is if the Federal government forces them to make it legal.


Or if the people stand up and vote for it.  This is America, dammit, where we actually have a voice.  Stop blaming the powers-that-be and make things happen.  If you want something bad enough, you can get it, because 'Murica!
 
2014-01-14 01:00:22 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Onkel Buck: Did they ever get it figured out?

Yeah, they did. There really wasn't a time when it wasn't "figured out". The problem is, the news showed you a guy popping a squat on a police car, and you decided that was the entire story and never bothered to look further.

/The anti-OWS folks have truly amazing PR people working for them. The fact that people still say "just what the hell was that whole OWS thing about, anyway?" un-ironically is just staggering to me.


well once I saw the mess they made, as well as the conflicting messages from the various "tribe" leaders who just had to get in front of the camera when they got the chance. I lost interest and realized it was pretty much going to be a joke. But you have shown me that people will cling to things no matter how ridiculous they are. So are you basically saying its one of those things that "you wont really understand unless you were there." I dont buy that the oppositions PR drowned out OWS message. Wasn't OWS filled with some of the best and brightest people out there, the young, the future? And they couldnt figure out how to out maneuver the oppositions PR machine and get their clear message out there? What's staggering to me is people never run out of excuses defending  it
 
2014-01-14 01:16:29 PM
Its just a matter of time now, the dominoes are falling and there's no stopping it. Within 5 years it will be legalized everywhere. Once legit companies and government agencies start bringing in the revenue, and the world essentially doesn't change an iota, the sky doesn't fall and we continue to have zero people harmed by weed, its going to be untenable to keep it illegal.
 
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