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(NBC News)   Israeli official brands John Kerry and and his zeal for middle-east peace 'messianic', says only thing that could save Israel was for Kerry "to receive the Nobel Peace Prize and leave us alone"   (worldnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 53
    More: Obvious, John Kerry, Israeli government, Nobel Peace Prize, Yedioth Ahronoth, Jewish settlements, defense minister, Moshe Yaalon  
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2014-01-14 07:25:06 AM  
The only thing Kerry has a zeal for is a nice set of boobs because they remind him of himself.
 
2014-01-14 07:34:26 AM  
God forbid they reach an agreement that doesn't treat the Palestinians like the filthy subhuman animals Israel considers them.
 
2014-01-14 07:53:26 AM  
Then maybe we should leave them alone.
 
2014-01-14 07:53:38 AM  
Yeah, how dare Kerry object to apartheid. Doesn't he understand that Israelis have lived on those olive groves for literally hundreds of months????
 
2014-01-14 07:58:22 AM  
Maybe having to sit through dozens of conversations with John Kerry will force them to give in and sign the treaty. Diplomacy through abject boredom.
 
2014-01-14 08:02:33 AM  
Israel is simply unwilling or unable to resolve their issues peacefully.
 
2014-01-14 08:04:04 AM  
So, Israel's having a temper tantrum because there's a slim chance they won't get everything they want. I can see why the GOP kisses their asses so heartily.
 
2014-01-14 08:10:05 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Then maybe we should leave them alone.


This. Let's just mind our own business and let Israel do what it wants.
And stop paying for it.
 
2014-01-14 08:10:11 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Maybe having to sit through dozens of conversations with John Kerry will force them to give in and sign the treaty. Diplomacy through abject boredom.


Textbook narcopolitik.
 
2014-01-14 08:10:25 AM  
Leave us alone.  But leave the skids of 100s.
 
2014-01-14 08:10:31 AM  
The two state solution is a farce.  Neither side really wants it, nor is it even feasible.

We need to recognize Israel for what it is... not two states, one under siege and the other occupied, but one state locked in apartheid.  I'm unsure when that transition happened, but it happened sometime during the last 50 years of occupation.  The Gaza strip and west bank are annexed in all but name.

The only other way forward is to ignore the reality on the ground long enough for Israel to finish ethnically cleansing their territory through the slow process of encirclement & settlement.  This would be a great disservice to three million or so people currently living in the Gaza strip and West Bank.
 
2014-01-14 08:24:58 AM  
While this is stupid and not a good sign for th eupcoming talks, it is funny.


HotWingConspiracy: Israel is simply unwilling or unable to resolve their issues peacefully.


When the groups you are dealing with PLO and Hamas, have removing Israel, or removing all the jews (respectively) in their charter, yeah you are going to be unable to deal with them peacefully.


/not that Israel is making it easy now.
 
2014-01-14 08:25:23 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Then maybe we should leave them alone.


I'd be happy to leave Israel alone with out military or civilian foreign aid, without the US' guaranteed security council veto, and without the implicit promise that the US will back Israel up if things degenerate.


Or they can stfu and stop interfering in our domestic politics.


/I would also accept the forceble relocation of the tea party to kibbutzim in the Negev.   Tea-party sweat is the best hoveround lubricant.
 
2014-01-14 08:27:27 AM  
Israel better watch its mouth if it wants to keep getting that sweet cash and weapons discounts.

/seriously, they're not even RESPECTFUL of our government anymore
//why the hell do we keep groveling to them?
 
2014-01-14 08:35:06 AM  
What they seem to perceive as 'obsession' is called working hard and it's also a little something we call America's 'can do attitude'.
It's one of the things that makes America exceptional. Now, does the state of Israel have a problem with American exceptionalism? Because if they do, that would mean they've become secret Muslim fascists and they should just make peace with their neighbors because they have so much in common. But if I've misunderstood and they do in fact accept that we are exceptional, then it would be foolish not to take our advice and finish the damn peace agreement we are proposing. Check and mate.
 
2014-01-14 08:37:10 AM  
Kerry better watch out, look at what happened to the last messiah the jews got a hold of.
 
2014-01-14 08:37:33 AM  
I thought the Israelis wanted a messianic figure to come?
 
2014-01-14 08:37:42 AM  
Yeah, what kind of an asshole wants peace?
 
2014-01-14 08:45:20 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Israel better watch its mouth if it wants to keep getting that sweet cash and weapons discounts.

/seriously, they're not even RESPECTFUL of our government anymore
//why the hell do we keep groveling to them?


They'll be respectful again when we get a new president who's respectful to them.
 
2014-01-14 08:45:49 AM  
Trying to stop people from killing each other in a pointless and bloody sectarian civil war. Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-01-14 08:47:10 AM  
The only master-slave relation of the world where slave gets to pay the master.
 
2014-01-14 08:49:34 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: HMS_Blinkin: Israel better watch its mouth if it wants to keep getting that sweet cash and weapons discounts.

/seriously, they're not even RESPECTFUL of our government anymore
//why the hell do we keep groveling to them?

They'll be respectful again when we get a new president who's respectful to them.


Not sure if Poe's Law kicking in or not, but if it doesn't, please enlighten us as to the use of the word 'again'.
 
2014-01-14 08:50:47 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Israel is simply unwilling or unable to resolve their issues peacefully.


Why would they?  They have all the weapons.
 
2014-01-14 09:11:32 AM  
Jesus, what a bunch of whiny farksticks. I'm tired of their bullshiat. Fark 'em, let them resolve the issues they've created BY THEMSELVES.
Never seen a country that was made up of nothing but attention whores. You don't pay enough attention, they throw a fit, you pay too much attention, they throw a fit.

And I think we need our messianic money back, the ungrateful pieces of shiat.
 
2014-01-14 09:12:20 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: HotWingConspiracy: Israel is simply unwilling or unable to resolve their issues peacefully.

Why would they?  They have all the weapons.


That's fine, just quit playing like they're little lambs that are at all interested in peace. The world should deal with them as what they are.
 
2014-01-14 09:25:50 AM  

liam76: When the groups you are dealing with PLO and Hamas, have removing Israel, or removing all the jews (respectively) in their charter, yeah you are going to be unable to deal with them peacefully.


No, why does Hamas and the PLO act in this way?

You can't look at this in a vacuum. When a generation of people is displaced, and their children have no hope of education or employment, they will be violence. This has been true since human beings started living in groups of more than 10.
 
2014-01-14 09:26:31 AM  
The Israeli right-wingers' schtick is killing Palestinians and then "protecting" the country from the resulting retaliation. Their livelihood is being threatened,

Same with the Palestinian militants.

The place is a failure. Fence it off.
 
2014-01-14 09:36:10 AM  

LucklessWonder: I thought the Israelis wanted a messianic figure to come?


Eventually you get tired of all the pretenders, though.
 
2014-01-14 09:49:19 AM  
Israeli official brands

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2014-01-14 10:08:18 AM  
You know, I have never considered myself a global isolationist, but some of the comments by world leaders have started making me rethink that we have the wrong partners.

I'm reading "Escape from Camp 14" and I think the world should be putting more effort to getting rid of the Kim Il family and putting someone in power there that won't treat its citizens like mules and rid them of the camps. Spending time on people who just don't want to get along in Gaza / Palestine / Israel? Waste of time, money and global interest. No one is doing anything about Syria, Sudan :: sighs :: donation efforts only go so far and the US can't solve it all. Get us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Qatar and let's re-purpose the manpower and money to somewhere else.
 
2014-01-14 10:20:56 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The world should deal with them as what they are.


Genocidal maniacs?
 
2014-01-14 11:02:17 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Genocidal maniacs?


Given that the population of Palestenians is growing faster than their own, it is the exact opposite of genocide. But fro soem reason I bet you feel ok justifying your lies...


what_now: No, why does Hamas and the PLO act in this way?



Because only the most voacal violent groups gets outside support from surrounding Arab States, and since Israel's creation the surrounding Arab states have wanted it gone.


what_now: You can't look at this in a vacuum.


I am glad you think that way. So you probably recognize how a one state solution wouldn't work.

what_now: When a generation of people is displaced, and their children have no hope of education or employment, they will be violence.


Why isn't there violence in the myriad of surrounding Arab countries where Jews were booted out of?

Gaza and the WB had no universtities before Israel took over.

The life expectancy, literacy, and infant mortality have all improved greatly. Prior to the Gaza war they were better off then many of the neighboring Arab states in those regards. Prior tot he second intafada when working in Israel was common they had one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

The Palestinain Israeli conflict has always been driven by surrounding Arab states, and until they want it to end, it won't. Unfortunately since it makes a great smoke creeen for any conflict or problems they have and provides an excuse to keep people in camps for generations they don't want it to end.
 
2014-01-14 11:05:00 AM  
The slaves were better off in the deep south, have you seen Africa?
 
2014-01-14 11:05:53 AM  
Israel: conquest, not peace.
 
2014-01-14 11:19:00 AM  

liam76: Marcus Aurelius: Genocidal maniacs?

Given that the population of Palestenians is growing faster than their own, it is the exact opposite of genocide. But fro soem reason I bet you feel ok justifying your lies...



No one said the Israelis were good at it.
 
2014-01-14 11:35:45 AM  

jaytkay: The Israeli right-wingers' schtick is killing Palestinians and then "protecting" the country from the resulting retaliation. Their livelihood is being threatened,

Same with the Palestinian militants.

The place is a failure. Fence it off.


starsmedia.ign.com
 
2014-01-14 12:35:34 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Maybe having to sit through dozens of conversations with John Kerry will force them to give in and sign the treaty. Diplomacy through abject boredom.


You've never been to a Seder.
 
2014-01-14 12:40:21 PM  

Alassra: You know, I have never considered myself a global isolationist, but some of the comments by world leaders have started making me rethink that we have the wrong partners.

I'm reading "Escape from Camp 14" and I think the world should be putting more effort to getting rid of the Kim Il family and putting someone in power there that won't treat its citizens like mules and rid them of the camps. Spending time on people who just don't want to get along in Gaza / Palestine / Israel? Waste of time, money and global interest. No one is doing anything about Syria, Sudan :: sighs :: donation efforts only go so far and the US can't solve it all. Get us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Qatar and let's re-purpose the manpower and money to somewhere else.


Follow the Money.  All Wars are Bankers Wars.
 
2014-01-14 01:08:26 PM  

liam76: HotWingConspiracy: Israel is simply unwilling or unable to resolve their issues peacefully.

When the groups you are dealing with PLO and Hamas, have removing Israel, or removing all the jews (respectively) in their charter, yeah you are going to be unable to deal with them peacefully.

/not that Israel is making it easy now.


Why would Israel change course midstream now and "make it easy"? Making it hard has gotten Israel 98% of what it wants with its neighbors except Palestine, so why should they change tactics for the final round? I think Israel's tactics will win out in the end, if for no other reason that the Palestinians will get sufficiently tired of the status quo and settle for some internationally maintained separate status while recognizing Israel. Israel just has to stay the course.
 
2014-01-14 01:35:41 PM  

Mikey1969: Jesus, what a bunch of whiny farksticks. I'm tired of their bullshiat. Fark 'em, let them resolve the issues they've created BY THEMSELVES.
Never seen a country that was made up of nothing but attention whores. You don't pay enough attention, they throw a fit, you pay too much attention, they throw a fit.

And I think we need our messianic money back, the ungrateful pieces of shiat.



When did Jews get so neurotic all of a sudden?
 
2014-01-14 01:50:46 PM  

liam76: Marcus Aurelius: Genocidal maniacs?

Given that the population of Palestenians is growing faster than their own, it is the exact opposite of genocide. But fro soem reason I bet you feel ok justifying your lies...


what_now: No, why does Hamas and the PLO act in this way?

Because only the most voacal violent groups gets outside support from surrounding Arab States, and since Israel's creation the surrounding Arab states have wanted it gone.


what_now: You can't look at this in a vacuum.

I am glad you think that way. So you probably recognize how a one state solution wouldn't work.

what_now: When a generation of people is displaced, and their children have no hope of education or employment, they will be violence.

Why isn't there violence in the myriad of surrounding Arab countries where Jews were booted out of?

Gaza and the WB had no universtities before Israel took over.

The life expectancy, literacy, and infant mortality have all improved greatly. Prior to the Gaza war they were better off then many of the neighboring Arab states in those regards. Prior tot he second intafada when working in Israel was common they had one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

The Palestinain Israeli conflict has always been driven by surrounding Arab states, and until they want it to end, it won't. Unfortunately since it makes a great smoke creeen for any conflict or problems they have and provides an excuse to keep people in camps for generations they don't want it to end.


And black slaves were worse off in Africa than after they arrived in America, too, right?

/Israeli intellectual dishonesty at its finest
 
2014-01-14 02:59:59 PM  

SurfaceTension: And black slaves were worse off in Africa than after they arrived in America, too, right?


Because Palestenians were kidnapped by Israeli's and forced to work for them to the enormous profit of Israel?

And in America during slavery we had black people on the supreme court, they were allowed to vote, etc. Oh yeah and when US declared independence it was invaded by an armies from all the surrounding black nations who vowed to wipe them out.

I can't go on. This is too stupid to even mock anymore.

This analolgy doesn't have fark all to do with what is going on and only someone so stupid or dishonest as to claim that palesntenians are living in "concentration camps" would think it makes sense...
 
2014-01-14 03:09:36 PM  

liam76: This analolgy doesn't have fark all to do with what is going on


Except that it does, because you're attempting to paint Israeli's as the paternal saviors of the Palestinians. Why, those savages would have genocided themselves by now if not for the benevolent actions of their betters. Palestinians are the Israeli Man's Burden, I say.

You don't get this because you're a racist that hates Muslims and Arabs.
 
2014-01-14 03:16:45 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Except that it does, because you're attempting to paint Israeli's as the paternal saviors of the Palestinians.


No, I am using factual evidence to point out the claims, like "concentration camp", no education, etc are factually wrong.

HotWingConspiracy: You don't get this because you're a racist that hates Muslims and Arabs


A claim you love to trot out yet have no support for.

Yet we see you in every Israel thread supporting the above lies at every turn, now why is that?
 
2014-01-14 03:28:34 PM  

liam76: HotWingConspiracy: Except that it does, because you're attempting to paint Israeli's as the paternal saviors of the Palestinians.

No, I am using factual evidence to point out the claims, like "concentration camp", no education, etc are factually wrong.


And I'm using your words to show that you're a racist that thinks lesser races need a paternal figure to control them.

HotWingConspiracy: You don't get this because you're a racist that hates Muslims and Arabs

A claim you love to trot out yet have no support for.


Every single thread you're in about the MidEast supports me. Though you've tried (and largely failed) to tone it down once people started calling you on it.

Yet we see you in every Israel thread supporting the above lies at every turn, now why is that?

I never said anything about genocide. The situation they're in is horrifying enough.
 
2014-01-14 06:20:38 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: And I'm using your words to show that you're a racist that thinks lesser races need a paternal figure to control them.


The claim was that they get no education.

The fact is that the literacy improved, and is now on par with neighboring states, and that they never had a university until after Gaza and the WB was no longer under control of Egypt and Jordan.

I never claimed they needed a paternal figure, just that the person was wrong about the situation.

People can toss out any outrageous lie about Israel, no matter how out of touch with reality it is, and you won't say a word, as long as it makes jews look bad. I use facts to prove them wrong and you flip out and pretend I am saying BS like they need a paternal figure (above) or that they are some type of benevolent rulers that have done nothing wrong. You can take no correction of Israeli actions at face value and must twist it into some BS propaganda to distract from reality, it is pathetic.

HotWingConspiracy: Every single thread you're in about the MidEast supports me. Though you've tried (and largely failed) to tone it down once people started calling you on it.


You repeat these claims again and again, yet have never backed them up.

The people, like you that accuse me of that BS, have no problem bashing the catholic church when it comes to sex abuse, but point out problems in Islam? Oh noes, must be a racist.

HotWingConspiracy: I never said anything about genocide.


Directly? No, but you are always there to support clowns making those claims.


HotWingConspiracy: The situation they're in is horrifying enough


Yet you need to make up BS analogies comparing it to slavery?
 
2014-01-14 06:50:07 PM  
Why do we, (the US,) place our foreign policy on an apocryphal book...? The only way peace will be attained in the ME is thru non-secular agreement. Fark the the fanatics on both sides. America out of the ME!
 
2014-01-14 08:43:42 PM  

GoodyearPimp: Leave us alone.  But leave the skids of 100s.


Yeah, no shiat. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

 
2014-01-14 08:46:51 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: And I'm using your words to show that you're a racist that thinks lesser races need a paternal figure to control them.


Maybe he (and others like him) think this, because the US plays paternal figure to the inferior Israel. Lord knows Israel wouldn't be where IT is without US and Western involvement and support.
 
2014-01-15 12:17:26 AM  
liam76: You are far more patient than I.
 
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