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(National Journal)   Tobacco companies: "So, um, sorry about all that cancer and those dead people. So we're cool, right?"   (nationaljournal.com) divider line 67
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2014-01-14 08:35:46 AM

uttertosh: uttertosh: Ishkur: uttertosh: That's the thing, though. Once you start bullshiatting, it's a slippery slippery slope. I mean, I started with just one white lie, which lead me into fibbing quite a bit, which led me directly into insurance telemarketing. Fastforward a decade, and now my fark handle is literally uttertosh.

Next step: Fox News.

Nah, that's the step up from door-to-door encyclopaedia salesman, not insurance telemarketer.  Insurance telemarketers usually get into personal finance, band promotion/management, internet commentary, or real estate - something that requires actually knowing you're lying in the first place and keeping that poker face at all times.

Or public fundraising for Greenpeace, yeah.



Those people have increased in number so much recently that Hell had to add a new Circle just to accommodate them all:

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2014-01-14 08:47:01 AM

uttertosh: Nah, that's the step up from door-to-door encyclopaedia salesman


I thought that was burglar...
 
2014-01-14 09:34:45 AM
How cute.  There are still people who blame tobacco companies for their smoking.
 
2014-01-14 10:08:21 AM
I remember in the old days when "Big Tobacco" had press gangs dragging people off the street a literally forcing them to smoke even when there were warnings on the packs saying it could kill you.  I personally saw a person  take out a cigarette, light it and inhale even though the Surgeon General's warning was right there on the pack.  She even told me that  "Big Tobacco"  was to blame for making her smoke.  They forced her to start and then she cold not quit.

Almost has bad as "Big Paint" forcing people to inhale paint fumes and right on the can it says the fumes are harmful.
 
2014-01-14 10:16:10 AM

doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.


By that line of logic, marijuana should be legalized and readily able for anyone to smoke at their leisure.

Big tobacco isn't safe from any scrutiny at this point; especially after the "60 Minutes" affair.
 
2014-01-14 11:03:20 AM
Came for Bruce. It was done in one. Leaving satisfied.
 
2014-01-14 12:17:26 PM

doglover: Back on topic, though.

Tobacco is one of the more benign smokes out there. It takes years to kill you.

I like loose incense. Frankincense smoke burns like hellfire if you get too close to the braizer. You can feel your lungs resining up. That'd kill ya in weeks or months.

And coal? Coal smoke is bright green, heavier than air, and can gack you in minutes.

But remember, smoke is still smoke. None of it's healthy.



An intense negative reaction to something makes it safer. People tend to get away from it. Cigarette smoke is dangerous specifically because people can tolerate large amount in their lungs and the addictive properties make them more likely to do so.
 
2014-01-14 12:31:58 PM

Ishkur: Those people have increased in number so much recently that Hell had to add a new Circle just to accommodate them all:


BS infographic is BS.

Not one mention of bankers. Not one. And 'Falsifiers' qualifies me to the 2nd deepest level of hell, all because I made fake ID for my little brother?!? I'd have at least thought that my time as a torturer for MI7 would have counted for something...
 
2014-01-14 01:02:51 PM
I don't smoke. But you know what? If you want to smoke? Go for it. Your body, you do what you want to with it. You only get 100 years, maybe a bit extra, to be on this earth and enjoy it. Why worry about what might kill you or be bad for you? We're all going to die anyway.
 
2014-01-14 01:48:29 PM
I quit in December 2009. Haven't regressed since. Do I have to read the ads?
 
2014-01-14 02:09:07 PM
This is stupid and pitiful.  Pretty much every company in that era was guilty of everything from 1/2 truths to outright lying about benefits and health concerns with their products.

Not that it makes it ok but it's a complete waste of time to make a company say "gee we were wrong" after the numerous courts have already made them say it with their wallets.
 
2014-01-14 03:02:14 PM

doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.


You're some kind of special brand of stupid, ain't ya?
 
2014-01-14 04:25:18 PM

omeganuepsilon: That's the thing with anti-smokers.  They think less of people who do things that they dislike, making the following very apt indeed:


That sentiment is definitely not limited to anti-smokers. Please see pretty much any thread on Fark for confirmation.

I suggest bicycle threads for some of the best, because there is no clear cut "obviously correct" position.
 
2014-01-14 05:34:52 PM

drxym: omeganuepsilon: That's the thing with anti-smokers. They think less of people who do things that they dislike, making the following very apt indeed:

If you asked 10 people who were anti-smoking about their opinions and their toleration of smokers you would 10 different answers. But hey, invent some stupid straw man and pretend they're all "riled up" if you prefer.

I expect most would be quite happy to see you smoke yourself to death providing you didn't harm anybody else in the process.


Another person who doesn't get the difference between a regular non-smoker and an anti-smoker.

Argumentative and happy to see someone die, guess they're part of the later group.

Pangea: omeganuepsilon: That's the thing with anti-smokers.  They think less of people who do things that they dislike, making the following very apt indeed:

That sentiment is definitely not limited to anti-smokers. Please see pretty much any thread on Fark for confirmation.

I suggest bicycle threads for some of the best, because there is no clear cut "obviously correct" position.


I would have tailored it more but I was in a rush.  You are right though, lots of people have a false superiority complex when it comes to other topics.

I try not to fall into that trap, so obviously I'm better than a lot of people.
 
2014-01-14 05:54:49 PM

Kit Fister: I don't smoke. But you know what? If you want to smoke? Go for it. Your body, you do what you want to with it. You only get 100 years, maybe a bit extra, to be on this earth and enjoy it. Why worry about what might kill you or be bad for you? We're all going to die anyway.


Perfect illustration of a regular non-smoker, in contrast to the anti-smokers of the thread.  Bravo.

Though, 100 is pushing it.  Everything is bad for you and it piles up throughout your life, serious health problems can often start much sooner.  80 is great for a large amount of people, even those that more or less eat right and don't have vices.

Even at that, 80 is mostly only possible because of modern medicine.  Many parts simply wear out, from organs to parts like valves to genetics.

just BS'n, not arguing at all....you certainly had the right sentiment.  Enjoy life.

No point to living to 110 if you have to sacrifice, like subsisting only on rice cakes, vitamins, and water.  Some anti- people are as bad as any other type of person that preaches a life of abstinence.

Do all the drugs you want, take as many risks as you can, as long as you don't become a drain on society or otherwise infringe on others or endanger others.

IRQ12: This is stupid and pitiful.  Pretty much every company in that era was guilty of everything from 1/2 truths to outright lying about benefits and health concerns with their products.

Not that it makes it ok but it's a complete waste of time to make a company say "gee we were wrong" after the numerous courts have already made them say it with their wallets.


Some of this too.

Even back in the day when those companies behaved that way, we all still knew it had an impact on one's health.  You could see the signs in yourself and older people that smoked.  Making them recant now only doesn't really help anyone.

It's more akin to making them a poster child, "This is what we do to X, so watch your behavior everyone else."

At that, I'm split.  It's a good idea(the sentiment is alright anyhow, doesn't exactly function that great, companies are every bit as bad today), but the resources and time put into it....we have bigger problems that we may actually be able to do something about.
 
2014-01-14 06:04:41 PM

uttertosh: Not one mention of bankers. Not one. And 'Falsifiers' qualifies me to the 2nd deepest level of hell, all because I made fake ID for my little brother?!? I'd have at least thought that my time as a torturer for MI7 would have counted for something...


Medieval rules, man. Back then, merchants weren't as powerful as they are today and the Great Chain of Being was everything. So engage in coin fraud? meh. Impersonate a noble? Special ironic punishment for you.
 
2014-01-14 11:38:08 PM

Bigdogdaddy: brimed03: tillerman35: What I find interesting in the mock-up is that nowhere does it make those statements in the first person.  It's A Court ordered this statement.  And cigarette companies control the level of nicotine...

Even when they explicitly list the cigarette companies by name, it's in the third person.  Hell, even when they mention cigarettes themselves, they're mentioned generically, no ownership taken.

There's no WE intentionally designed cigarettes to make them more addictive.  There's no OUR PRODUCT kills, on average, 1200 Americans every day.

This is about as meaningful as the time I called up my best friend Doug and said "My mom made me call to apologize for calling you a poopie head."

You know, you're right. I'd like to see a list of names, all the people in tobacco, advertising, research, and government who contributed to the addiction and the lies for the past 50+ years.

Might take more than a one-page ad though.

Ad headline: WE SUCK. AND WE'RE ONLY COURT-ORDERED SORRY.

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Compiling the list?  Gonna be hard to get his signature though.

/Maybe we can find a channeler.
 
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