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(National Journal)   Tobacco companies: "So, um, sorry about all that cancer and those dead people. So we're cool, right?"   (nationaljournal.com) divider line 67
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2014-01-14 12:16:12 AM  
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2014-01-14 01:07:02 AM  
Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.
 
2014-01-14 01:17:50 AM  

doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.


Inhaling smoke particles on purpose is generally rough on the lungs.
 
2014-01-14 01:23:29 AM  

doglover: Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds.


That is why I switched to filtered staircases...for smooth, refreshing climbing.
 
2014-01-14 01:26:09 AM  

doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.


The key is to only throw yourself down just a few stairs at a time, once or twice a week.
 
2014-01-14 01:29:31 AM  

Harry_Seldon: doglover: Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds.

That is why I switched to filtered staircases...for smooth, refreshing climbing.


I live in a one story house.  I can only look out the window forlornly and hope a strong, rugged man comes and builds me a long and refreshing staircase to climb.  Then I'd just glide ride up, slowly or as quickly as I could....

Or I could move. 

Whichever is easiest.  I mean I do have to work and such; so he may have come by but I just wasn't home.
 
2014-01-14 01:32:29 AM  

jaerik: doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.

The key is to only throw yourself down just a few stairs at a time, once or twice a week.


I've cut back to half a staircase a day...i feel noticeably better already!
 
2014-01-14 01:32:32 AM  

jaerik: doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.

The key is to only throw yourself down just a few stairs at a time, once or twice a week.


It's really quite stress-relieving.
 
2014-01-14 01:35:39 AM  
.... but look at all the people that got laid from looking so cool!

and then relaxed afterward instead of just falling asleep.
 
2014-01-14 01:38:11 AM  
Because advertising cures cancer and who better to get some money out of it than newspapers, your city's second largest polluter.
 
2014-01-14 01:43:37 AM  

doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.


If used properly, cigarettes will kill you faster than heroin will, howabout that?
 
2014-01-14 01:50:52 AM  
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yeahhhhhh, we cool. fuggetaboutit.
 
2014-01-14 02:00:12 AM  
I just threw myself down the stairs, but I still want a smoke and now my head hurts, and my back is killing me. Thanks fark! and obama!
 
2014-01-14 02:01:24 AM  

doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.


I smoked for about 20 years, but I didn't need to bullshiat myself about the way you seem to need to.
 
2014-01-14 02:05:15 AM  

doglover: Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds


Wives have terrible trouble with stairs.  Michael Peterson's first wife died of a 'fall' down the stairs.  So did his second wife:

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2014-01-14 02:10:08 AM  
log_jammin:

I smoked for about 20 years, but I didn't need to bullshiat myself about the way you seem to need to.

That's the thing, though. Once you start bullshiatting, it's a slippery slippery slope. I mean, I started with just one white lie, which lead me into fibbing quite a bit, which led me directly into insurance telemarketing. Fastforward a decade, and now my fark handle is literally uttertosh.
 
2014-01-14 02:11:51 AM  

log_jammin: doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.

I smoked for about 20 years, but I didn't need to bullshiat myself about the way you seem to need to.



too much time will kill you
at the same time
moderation is for monks
 
2014-01-14 02:13:54 AM  

jaerik: doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.

The key is to only throw yourself down just a few stairs at a time, once or twice a week.


I tried that, but my wife and co-workers still complained that I smelled like carpet.
 
2014-01-14 02:19:10 AM  
I like imported staircases. No railing.

♪(´ε` ) No farks given!!
 
2014-01-14 02:20:10 AM  
Tobacco is just a weed, man.  Nature gave it to us and it should be ...
 
2014-01-14 02:36:29 AM  
Back on topic, though.

Tobacco is one of the more benign smokes out there. It takes years to kill you.

I like loose incense. Frankincense smoke burns like hellfire if you get too close to the braizer. You can feel your lungs resining up. That'd kill ya in weeks or months.

And coal? Coal smoke is bright green, heavier than air, and can gack you in minutes.

But remember, smoke is still smoke. None of it's healthy.
 
2014-01-14 02:50:51 AM  
What I find interesting in the mock-up is that nowhere does it make those statements in the first person.  It's A Court ordered this statement.  And cigarette companies control the level of nicotine...

Even when they explicitly list the cigarette companies by name, it's in the third person.  Hell, even when they mention cigarettes themselves, they're mentioned generically, no ownership taken.

There's no WE intentionally designed cigarettes to make them more addictive.  There's no OUR PRODUCT kills, on average, 1200 Americans every day.

This is about as meaningful as the time I called up my best friend Doug and said "My mom made me call to apologize for calling you a poopie head."
 
2014-01-14 03:00:04 AM  

tillerman35: What I find interesting in the mock-up is that nowhere does it make those statements in the first person.  It's A Court ordered this statement.  And cigarette companies control the level of nicotine...

Even when they explicitly list the cigarette companies by name, it's in the third person.  Hell, even when they mention cigarettes themselves, they're mentioned generically, no ownership taken.

There's no WE intentionally designed cigarettes to make them more addictive.  There's no OUR PRODUCT kills, on average, 1200 Americans every day.

This is about as meaningful as the time I called up my best friend Doug and said "My mom made me call to apologize for calling you a poopie head."


You know, you're right. I'd like to see a list of names, all the people in tobacco, advertising, research, and government who contributed to the addiction and the lies for the past 50+ years.

Might take more than a one-page ad though.

Ad headline: WE SUCK. AND WE'RE ONLY COURT-ORDERED SORRY.
 
2014-01-14 03:11:58 AM  
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2014-01-14 03:26:10 AM  

doglover: Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.


Oh really? Which ones?
 
2014-01-14 03:29:46 AM  

haolegirl: jaerik: doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.

The key is to only throw yourself down just a few stairs at a time, once or twice a week.

I've cut back to half a staircase a day...i feel noticeably better already!


Oh yea, well I bought a split level so I never have to go up a full flight at a time.

Although in doglover's defense, I believe I am the only person out of any guest who hasn't tripped going from the lower level to the mid level yet. I don't know what is off about the stairs and why it hasn't happened to me though.  Now they give me the sense of impending doom, like I escaped for too long and now my comeuppance is at hand.
 
2014-01-14 03:30:20 AM  

doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds.


Yes, but presumably the architect who designed your house didn't specifically engineer the stairs to be lethal. Stairs also serve a generally useful purpose that is not death-related.

I still don't know why the tobacco execs who blatantly lied before Congress aren't in prison, but it wouldn't surprise me if the 1990s tobacco settlement included immunity.
 
2014-01-14 03:34:47 AM  

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Came for this. Obviously they were just on a roll, and they won't do it again.
 
2014-01-14 03:35:45 AM  

ImpendingCynic: doglover: Tobacco isn't safe, but it's not exactly deadly either.

It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds.

Yes, but presumably the architect who designed your house didn't specifically engineer the stairs to be lethal. Stairs also serve a generally useful purpose that is not death-related.

I still don't know why the tobacco execs who blatantly lied before Congress aren't in prison, but it wouldn't surprise me if the 1990s tobacco settlement included immunity.


Perjury before Congress is only a crime if you don't have a lot of money.
 
2014-01-14 03:48:04 AM  

doglover: It's much safer than a lot of things in your home. Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds. Anyone under 40 grew up with anti-smoking propaganda every bit as false as the bogus studies PM paid for about how cigarettes made you virile etc.

Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.


I expect cigarettes would be easier to "moderate" if they weren't highly addictive. I'm sure many smokers started on a few a day and are now smoking packs of them. And it's not the case that moderation is a good strategy anyway since even smoking a few cigarettes a day increases your risk of harm of various diseases. Even passive smoking has a measurable risk associated with it, hence the reason for smoking bans.

The best strategy would be to avoid smoking entirely, and if you *must* get nicotine fix,use an e-cigarette, a patch or gum where at least you avoid the carcinogens that go into your lungs when you breathe in cigarette smoke.
 
2014-01-14 03:54:51 AM  

doglover: Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.


Moderation is great for things that are actually beneficial in moderation, or for things that serve some purpose.
Cigarettes are an unmixed bad.
 
2014-01-14 04:00:33 AM  

brimed03: tillerman35: What I find interesting in the mock-up is that nowhere does it make those statements in the first person.  It's A Court ordered this statement.  And cigarette companies control the level of nicotine...

Even when they explicitly list the cigarette companies by name, it's in the third person.  Hell, even when they mention cigarettes themselves, they're mentioned generically, no ownership taken.

There's no WE intentionally designed cigarettes to make them more addictive.  There's no OUR PRODUCT kills, on average, 1200 Americans every day.

This is about as meaningful as the time I called up my best friend Doug and said "My mom made me call to apologize for calling you a poopie head."

You know, you're right. I'd like to see a list of names, all the people in tobacco, advertising, research, and government who contributed to the addiction and the lies for the past 50+ years.

Might take more than a one-page ad though.

Ad headline: WE SUCK. AND WE'RE ONLY COURT-ORDERED SORRY.


So, in other words, if they were ordered to publish an apology or admition of guilt, they haven't done so yet. They've only acknowledged the order to do so...
 
2014-01-14 04:02:07 AM  

Gawdzila: doglover: Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.

Moderation is great for things that are actually beneficial in moderation, or for things that serve some purpose.
Cigarettes are an unmixed bad.


It's just a question of whether you want to die slow like molasses in January or fast like a shooting star.
 
2014-01-14 04:08:37 AM  

brimed03: tillerman35: What I find interesting in the mock-up is that nowhere does it make those statements in the first person.  It's A Court ordered this statement.  And cigarette companies control the level of nicotine...

Even when they explicitly list the cigarette companies by name, it's in the third person.  Hell, even when they mention cigarettes themselves, they're mentioned generically, no ownership taken.

There's no WE intentionally designed cigarettes to make them more addictive.  There's no OUR PRODUCT kills, on average, 1200 Americans every day.

This is about as meaningful as the time I called up my best friend Doug and said "My mom made me call to apologize for calling you a poopie head."

You know, you're right. I'd like to see a list of names, all the people in tobacco, advertising, research, and government who contributed to the addiction and the lies for the past 50+ years.

Might take more than a one-page ad though.

Ad headline: WE SUCK. AND WE'RE ONLY COURT-ORDERED SORRY.


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2014-01-14 04:23:10 AM  

Harry_Seldon: doglover: Staircases, for example, can turn deadly in seconds.

That is why I switched to filtered staircases...for smooth, refreshing climbing.


Feel the burn!

/I only climb stairs in the springtime.
 
2014-01-14 04:42:53 AM  

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Done in one.

/first thing that came to mind also
//KITH forever
 
2014-01-14 04:44:39 AM  

uttertosh: That's the thing, though. Once you start bullshiatting, it's a slippery slippery slope. I mean, I started with just one white lie, which lead me into fibbing quite a bit, which led me directly into insurance telemarketing. Fastforward a decade, and now my fark handle is literally uttertosh.


Next step: Fox News.
 
2014-01-14 05:19:19 AM  

Gawdzila: doglover: Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.

Moderation is great for things that are actually beneficial in moderation, or for things that serve some purpose.
Cigarettes are an unmixed bad.



Just because something is bad for your health doesn't make it bad. Look at gin.

Let's ignore the studies for a minute. Science is nice, but scientists are humans and lobby money spends a whole lot better than goose eggs and integrity and pro tobacco isn't the only lobby with deep pockets.

Just based on our own personal trial and error life experience, what concrete facts do we know with nothing but WAGs and speculation.

1. Smoke makes you cough and burn your eyes.
2. Cigarettes smoke.
3. Cigarettes are not the only source of smoke .

There's not really anything else you have to know. Diesel trucks, lawn mowers, sparklers, camp fires, candles, pot, stoves, forges, smoke bombs, microwave popcorn, dust clouds, etc. It's all various degrees of bad for you when burning. It's intuitive. Even the Three Stooges called them "coffin nails" back in the day.

Yes, it's obviously bad for you. But so is everything else that's fun. In the words of Morgan Freeman: get busy livin' or get busy dyin'.
 
2014-01-14 05:27:08 AM  

doglover: Gawdzila: doglover: Lots of things will kill you eventually. Moderation is the key.

Moderation is great for things that are actually beneficial in moderation, or for things that serve some purpose.
Cigarettes are an unmixed bad.


Just because something is bad for your health doesn't make it bad. Look at gin.

Let's ignore the studies for a minute. Science is nice, but scientists are humans and lobby money spends a whole lot better than goose eggs and integrity and pro tobacco isn't the only lobby with deep pockets.

Just based on our own personal trial and error life experience, what concrete facts do we know with nothing but WAGs and speculation.

1. Smoke makes you cough and burn your eyes.
2. Cigarettes smoke.
3. Cigarettes are not the only source of smoke .

There's not really anything else you have to know. Diesel trucks, lawn mowers, sparklers, camp fires, candles, pot, stoves, forges, smoke bombs, microwave popcorn, dust clouds, etc. It's all various degrees of bad for you when burning. It's intuitive. Even the Three Stooges called them "coffin nails" back in the day.

Yes, it's obviously bad for you. But so is everything else that's fun. In the words of Morgan Freeman: get busy livin' or get busy dyin'.


you sound like someone who really doesnt want to quit smoking. that's fine, it's a free (ish) country, but there is a mountain of science that says it's really quite bad for you.

interesting as well you'd call them fun. that's addiction for ya

again though, you're a grown man (I think), and can please yourself

PS: farking up putting my password in has given me the opportnuity to add something ive just read in a work document... 1 in 6 deaths last year attributable to smoking locally
 
2014-01-14 05:50:37 AM  

doglover: Just because something is bad for your health doesn't make it bad. Look at gin.

Let's ignore the studies for a minute. Science is nice, but scientists are humans and lobby money spends a whole lot better than goose eggs and integrity and pro tobacco isn't the only lobby with deep pockets.

Just based on our own personal trial and error life experience, what concrete facts do we know with nothing but WAGs and speculation.

1. Smoke makes you cough and burn your eyes.
2. Cigarettes smoke.
3. Cigarettes are not the only source of smoke .

There's not really anything else you have to know. Diesel trucks, lawn mowers, sparklers, camp fires, candles, pot, stoves, forges, smoke bombs, microwave popcorn, dust clouds, etc. It's all various degrees of bad for you when burning. It's intuitive. Even the Three Stooges called them "coffin nails" back in the day.

Yes, it's obviously bad for you. But so is everything else that's fun. In the words of Morgan Freeman: get busy livin' or get busy dyin'.


Like I said. no need to bullshiat yourself. just man up and own it instead of making pussy excuses for it.
 
2014-01-14 05:58:18 AM  
Meh, most smokers don't care what non-smokers think.  That's what get's most anti-smokers riled up.

So it's bad for one to smoke, raises all kinds of risks.  Your point?

Shut up already.
 
2014-01-14 06:04:51 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Meh, most smokers don't care what non-smokers think.  That's what get's most anti-smokers riled up.

So it's bad for one to smoke, raises all kinds of risks.  Your point?

Shut up already.


we're not riled up.

when you have someone that loves you, and that you love, you might not want to leave them early. that's the point. or at least, a point

as us 'riled up' non smokers have said several times in the thread already though... totally your call
 
2014-01-14 06:13:27 AM  
Has anyone here ever tried a spiral staircase?

Whoa.
 
2014-01-14 06:31:32 AM  

Lady J: as us 'riled up' non smokers have said


You don't read so well.

I have no problem with a lot of non-smokers.  It's the anti-smokers.

Lady J: totally your call


You make it sound almost level headed there, were it not for totally villifying it and the person you were replying to in the previous post, repeating points we all already know well enough.

Nothing outright mind you, but the entire context was belittlement. With the "free country" comming off as calling this an apology" I'm sorry but you are bad."  You can say on a technicality that you think it's ok for them to smoke, but you still heavily imply that they're bad people.

That's the thing with anti-smokers.  They think less of people who do things that they dislike, making the following very apt indeed:
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2014-01-14 07:06:12 AM  
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2014-01-14 07:59:37 AM  
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Yes, sir. It was a very very bad thing to have done and I'm really very ashamed of myself. I can only say it won't happen again. To have murdered so many people in such a short space of time is really awful, and I really am very, very, very sorry that I did it, and also that I've taken up so much of the court's valuable time listening to the sordid details of these senseless killings of mine.
 
2014-01-14 08:05:55 AM  

omeganuepsilon: That's the thing with anti-smokers. They think less of people who do things that they dislike, making the following very apt indeed:


If you asked 10 people who were anti-smoking about their opinions and their toleration of smokers you would 10 different answers. But hey, invent some stupid straw man and pretend they're all "riled up" if you prefer.

I expect most would be quite happy to see you smoke yourself to death providing you didn't harm anybody else in the process.
 
2014-01-14 08:18:44 AM  
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You mean to say this isn't true??
 
2014-01-14 08:24:09 AM  

Ishkur: uttertosh: That's the thing, though. Once you start bullshiatting, it's a slippery slippery slope. I mean, I started with just one white lie, which lead me into fibbing quite a bit, which led me directly into insurance telemarketing. Fastforward a decade, and now my fark handle is literally uttertosh.

Next step: Fox News.


Nah, that's the step up from door-to-door encyclopaedia salesman, not insurance telemarketer.  Insurance telemarketers usually get into personal finance, band promotion/management, internet commentary, or real estate - something that requires actually knowing you're lying in the first place and keeping that poker face at all times.
 
2014-01-14 08:26:20 AM  

uttertosh: Ishkur: uttertosh: That's the thing, though. Once you start bullshiatting, it's a slippery slippery slope. I mean, I started with just one white lie, which lead me into fibbing quite a bit, which led me directly into insurance telemarketing. Fastforward a decade, and now my fark handle is literally uttertosh.

Next step: Fox News.

Nah, that's the step up from door-to-door encyclopaedia salesman, not insurance telemarketer.  Insurance telemarketers usually get into personal finance, band promotion/management, internet commentary, or real estate - something that requires actually knowing you're lying in the first place and keeping that poker face at all times.


Or public fundraising for Greenpeace, yeah.
 
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