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2014-01-13 07:55:45 PM
Merger Monday returned with gusto today as Charter made a $61.3 billion bid for Time Warner Cable

Splendid! Everyone knows media monopolies are good for consumers.
 
2014-01-13 08:30:30 PM

fusillade762: Merger Monday returned with gusto today as Charter made a $61.3 billion bid for Time Warner Cable

Splendid! Everyone knows media monopolies are good for consumers.


I came here to say that. What are we does to three cable providers? Soon to be 2
 
2014-01-13 09:07:22 PM
NickelP:
I came here to say that. What are we does to three cable providers? Soon to be 2

We have Atlantic Broadband here.  Per Wiki it's the 12th largest cable company in the country.  So there are definitely more than two.

/internet only, dumped cable TV last year, no regrets.
 
2014-01-13 09:16:01 PM

nekom: NickelP:
I came here to say that. What are we does to three cable providers? Soon to be 2

We have Atlantic Broadband here.  Per Wiki it's the 12th largest cable company in the country.  So there are definitely more than two.

/internet only, dumped cable TV last year, no regrets.


Well, but, all 20 or so aren't available in every market... if you are lucky, 2 are.

/at least where I am we have Fios vs. Comcast
 
2014-01-13 09:23:56 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-13 09:32:34 PM

dletter: nekom: NickelP:
I came here to say that. What are we does to three cable providers? Soon to be 2

We have Atlantic Broadband here.  Per Wiki it's the 12th largest cable company in the country.  So there are definitely more than two.

/internet only, dumped cable TV last year, no regrets.

Well, but, all 20 or so aren't available in every market... if you are lucky, 2 are.

/at least where I am we have Fios vs. Comcast


It's Comcast or the highway where I live.
 
2014-01-13 09:36:53 PM
Whatever. I just rubbed one out behind 7 proxies
 
2014-01-13 09:37:22 PM

nekom: /internet only, dumped cable TV last year, no regrets.


Fun fact.  Most cable companies make more money off of their internet services than actual cable television.
 
2014-01-13 09:46:27 PM
Watch how the iFanboys all flock to disown Nest now... I've had some already on my FB feed do that. Two days ago, they were the best, and now he says "won't buy".
 
2014-01-13 09:50:53 PM
Finally, a way to let the NSA know when you're at home.
 
2014-01-13 09:51:44 PM

finnished: Watch how the iFanboys all flock to disown Nest now... I've had some already on my FB feed do that. Two days ago, they were the best, and now he says "won't buy".


It has nothing to do with being an iFanboy.  It has everything to do with google not being good at design and function.  I hope they keep their hands off the Nest operations like they say they will but I seriously doubt it.
 
2014-01-13 09:53:45 PM

nekom: NickelP:
I came here to say that. What are we does to three cable providers? Soon to be 2

We have Atlantic Broadband here.  Per Wiki it's the 12th largest cable company in the country.  So there are definitely more than two.

/internet only, dumped cable TV last year, no regrets.


Comcast and Time Warner have more customers than everyone else COMBINED
 
2014-01-13 10:03:47 PM
I'm a huge fan of Android but I've slowly been separating  myself from the Google machine..   I know what data they have is there forever but I'm really getting sick of how Google is becoming more and more involved in everything we touch and some of the ways to "cut yourself off" is more convoluted than Facebooks user options.
 
2014-01-13 10:06:07 PM

gingerjet: It has nothing to do with being an iFanboy.  It has everything to do with google not being good at design and function.  I hope they keep their hands off the Nest operations like they say they will but I seriously doubt it.


The latest versions of iOS and Android are not significantly more usable over one or the other at this point.  This has been demonstrated ad nauseam from both a qualitative and quantitative perspective.  Anybody who thinks one is far superior is a fanboy.
 
2014-01-13 10:07:19 PM
Kinky.
 
2014-01-13 10:10:17 PM
I've had a Nest for over a year now. It's a great piece of hardware and software. My worry is that they would change the OS to Droid, and stop supporting Nest 1.0 and 2.0  and then I'd be out 250 bucks.
 
2014-01-13 10:15:30 PM
gingerjet:
It has nothing to do with being an iFanboy.  It has everything to do with google not being good at design and function.  I hope they keep their hands off the Nest operations like they say they will but I seriously doubt it.

While I think the Nest looks nice, its function is not "up there" that you would expect for its price tag, and there are other similar devices out there that function better.
 
2014-01-13 10:31:43 PM

finnished: there are other similar devices out there that function better.


Care to name names or model numbers? I've been thinking about a Nest, but I'm really suspicious of anything G touches. Especially if there's something cheaper or better available.
 
2014-01-13 10:38:02 PM

finnished: gingerjet:
It has nothing to do with being an iFanboy.  It has everything to do with google not being good at design and function.  I hope they keep their hands off the Nest operations like they say they will but I seriously doubt it.

While I think the Nest looks nice, its function is not "up there" that you would expect for its price tag, and there are other similar devices out there that function better.


That's what I've been told. It is a BRILLIANT idea, but mediocre execution. Can't wait to see what google does.
 
2014-01-13 10:42:34 PM

Worst Name I Ever Heard: finnished: there are other similar devices out there that function better.

Care to name names or model numbers? I've been thinking about a Nest, but I'm really suspicious of anything G touches. Especially if there's something cheaper or better available.


The Honeywell WiFi for example. Granted, not as elegant looking, but the functionality is there, and it's better at keeping temperature where you set it. About $50 cheaper I think.
 
2014-01-13 10:52:20 PM

MrEricSir: Finally, a way to let the NSA know when you're at home.


The power company switched us over to a smart meter a couple of years ago. I can go to their website to see nice graphs of how much electricity I used each day along with the high and low temperatures for that day. Looking at the graphs it's also very obvious each time I was out of town for several weeks. I wonder who else at the power company has the ability to see that data.
 
2014-01-13 10:52:59 PM
Nest is also getting into fire protection and alarming (see Nest Protect), which is one skip away from home security.  My guess is they've already written the code for a relatively inexpensive security system and Google wants in on that highly lucrative business.  Most of the security companies are charging an arm and a leg for the "product" using 80's technology and "service" that is a a GED educated lunkhead forwarding distress alarms over to the police.
 
2014-01-13 10:53:01 PM
What can I say?

Thermostats make me hot.
 
2014-01-13 10:54:46 PM

EngineerAU: MrEricSir: Finally, a way to let the NSA know when you're at home.

The power company switched us over to a smart meter a couple of years ago. I can go to their website to see nice graphs of how much electricity I used each day along with the high and low temperatures for that day. Looking at the graphs it's also very obvious each time I was out of town for several weeks. I wonder who else at the power company has the ability to see that data.


The entry level operator whose on-the-job perks include breaking into people's houses when they are out of town and trying on the women's undergarments that he finds.
 
2014-01-13 10:54:52 PM
My thermostat watching me...That's hot...
 
2014-01-13 10:57:50 PM
I'm still surprised that Google didn't buy out Sprint when they had the chance.  Tier 1 service for pressure on maintaining net neutrality and to provide end-to-end service for its datacenters, mobile for its android/nexus lines, 4g for a wireless broadband isp.  If they're willing to throw billions at a single silly phone app, adding some armor to what they already do for the cost of 5-6 snapchats just makes sense.  It would have irritated a few people, but it's not like they go a day without achieving that as is.

/1 snapchat = 0.1 rhode islands
 
2014-01-13 10:58:47 PM
Nest is pretty cool if you have a relatively small open-plan house and you for some reason want a self-programming thermostat that for some reason still needs you to set the initial program. And you would like to talk to your thermostat from afar.

I'll stick with my $22 7+1 day programmable until they have control loops with more than 1 input and 1 output.
 
2014-01-13 10:59:33 PM

gingerjet: nekom: /internet only, dumped cable TV last year, no regrets.

Fun fact.  Most cable companies make more money off of their internet services than actual cable television.


Not as much as they make from people buying both.
 
2014-01-13 11:01:45 PM
Gentlemen.. I give you.. the Thermo.. STAT!

/Google's long game here is they're likely getting into full home automation
 
2014-01-13 11:14:19 PM
Guessing you'll have to use Google+ to change the temperature in your house.
 
2014-01-13 11:30:13 PM

finnished: The Honeywell WiFi for example. Granted, not as elegant looking, but the functionality is there, and it's better at keeping temperature where you set it. About $50 cheaper I think.


Isn't it one of the points of the Nest that it  doesn't stay the same temperature?  That it is adaptive within a range?
 
2014-01-13 11:48:05 PM
Now, here's a question, does rubbing it out multiple times in a day get you a better ranking than a long,extended whackjob?  I'd really like to know the algorithms beforehand?
 
2014-01-13 11:55:12 PM

fusillade762: Merger Monday returned with gusto today as Charter made a $61.3 billion bid for Time Warner Cable

Splendid! Everyone knows media monopolies are good for consumers.


Oh I hope they don't buy TWC cause Charter is a shiatty,shiatty company. Yeah TWC is too but at least their customer service people are not as awful as Charter's.
 
2014-01-14 12:12:22 AM

A Terrible Human: fusillade762: Merger Monday returned with gusto today as Charter made a $61.3 billion bid for Time Warner Cable

Splendid! Everyone knows media monopolies are good for consumers.

Oh I hope they don't buy TWC cause Charter is a shiatty,shiatty company. Yeah TWC is too but at least their customer service people are not as awful as Charter's.


Hahahahaha. Oh that's rich.

I hate our local TW techs and support.
 
2014-01-14 12:34:58 AM

Sugarbombs: I'm still surprised that Google didn't buy out Sprint when they had the chance.  Tier 1 service for pressure on maintaining net neutrality and to provide end-to-end service for its datacenters, mobile for its android/nexus lines, 4g for a wireless broadband isp.  If they're willing to throw billions at a single silly phone app, adding some armor to what they already do for the cost of 5-6 snapchats just makes sense.  It would have irritated a few people, but it's not like they go a day without achieving that as is.

/1 snapchat = 0.1 rhode islands


A few years ago, Google did make a bid for the part of the wireless spectrum that had previously been used for analog broadcast TV (700MHz, I think?), but they were outbid by the big telecoms.
 
2014-01-14 12:36:26 AM
I bought a Zigbee/Wifi bridge for $18.  Add a screen, a few sensor and a relay and you have a wifi thermostat and those parts would add about $2 to the price.  Google paid way too much for Nest considering they could have bought Honewell for 20x times the price.  What google did pay was something like $20 per household in the USA.  There is no way they are earning that cash back.
 
2014-01-14 01:25:30 AM
I can understand the concern about funneling more information into the big Google advertising database... But, they are also pretty good at combining information from a bunch of different sources into something useful. Adding in a sensor that knows which room you are in (see NEST protect), gives Google/NEST the best chance of making an "internet of things"/proper home automation that doesn't suck.

I just hope that Google/NEST is good at publishing APIs for their hardware.
 
2014-01-14 01:43:34 AM
the decline of competition in the united states has lead to negative consequences for people as consumers and employees.
 
2014-01-14 02:02:45 AM

finnished: Worst Name I Ever Heard: finnished: there are other similar devices out there that function better.

Care to name names or model numbers? I've been thinking about a Nest, but I'm really suspicious of anything G touches. Especially if there's something cheaper or better available.

The Honeywell WiFi for example. Granted, not as elegant looking, but the functionality is there, and it's better at keeping temperature where you set it. About $50 cheaper I think.


Agreed
 
2014-01-14 02:03:16 AM

fusillade762: Merger Monday returned with gusto today as Charter made a $61.3 billion bid for Time Warner Cable

Splendid! Everyone knows media monopolies are good for consumers.


Except that you dont have a choice in cable providers anyway.  if you want cable, you generally only have one choice.

you can get dish, or some phone line based service, but if you want cable, this does not help or hurt your status as a monopolized consumer.
 
2014-01-14 02:11:25 AM

phimuskapsi: A Terrible Human: fusillade762: Merger Monday returned with gusto today as Charter made a $61.3 billion bid for Time Warner Cable

Splendid! Everyone knows media monopolies are good for consumers.

Oh I hope they don't buy TWC cause Charter is a shiatty,shiatty company. Yeah TWC is too but at least their customer service people are not as awful as Charter's.

Hahahahaha. Oh that's rich.

I hate our local TW techs and support.


I suppose it all depends on where you live whether TWC or Charter sucks more. Here's what I know: I've yet to have an issue with TWC customer service or had cable installed by TWC where the installation guy decided to make a hole halfway up the wall to put the cable in but with Charter I have. Your mileage may vary.
 
2014-01-14 02:13:48 AM
Is it cold where you live? Sucks to be you.
 
2014-01-14 04:36:51 AM

anfrind: A few years ago, Google did make a bid for the part of the wireless spectrum that had previously been used for analog broadcast TV (700MHz, I think?), but they were outbid by the big telecoms.


Google admitted later they didn't have an actual use for the spectrum in mind, they were bidding it up because the big telecoms had a deal among themselves to not bid against each other to keep the price as low as possible. Each company had agreed to only bid on certain parts of the spectrum. When Google looked like it could gobble it all up, the companies panicked and their little game of collusion, which for some reason was completely legal, was foiled.
 
2014-01-14 04:52:58 AM
Every time someone alludes to some big entity watching us all through (insert thing here), I make sure my fap sessions get just a little bit weirder. And that I don't wear pants around the house. If they want a show, they're getting a show that they won't soon forget/recover from.
 
2014-01-14 05:48:17 AM
I couldn't see Google buying Nest, Apple yes since it fits perfectly with their demographic (people who pay too much money).
 
2014-01-14 05:52:26 AM

finnished: Worst Name I Ever Heard: finnished: there are other similar devices out there that function better.

Care to name names or model numbers? I've been thinking about a Nest, but I'm really suspicious of anything G touches. Especially if there's something cheaper or better available.

The Honeywell WiFi for example. Granted, not as elegant looking, but the functionality is there, and it's better at keeping temperature where you set it. About $50 cheaper I think.


I have one and like it. Handy to have the ability to adjust temperatures when not home. Buddy at work bought a new house and it came with a Nest. He isn't impressed and has found it doesn't keep it where he wants. Probably uses a similar algorithm to Apple's shuffle (iow keeps playing the same song way too often)
 
2014-01-14 06:32:39 AM

gingerjet: finnished: Watch how the iFanboys all flock to disown Nest now... I've had some already on my FB feed do that. Two days ago, they were the best, and now he says "won't buy".

It has nothing to do with being an iFanboy.  It has everything to do with google not being good at design and function.  I hope they keep their hands off the Nest operations like they say they will but I seriously doubt it.


I hate Apple.  Bought a Nest almost a year ago because it looked cool.

The Auto Away feature alone is worth the cost.  Add in the fan functions and it is truly a marvelous piece of equipment.  My heating bill dropped 20% the first month after I installed it.  The following summer my cooling bill dropped 40%.

The thing is unbelievable and requires absolutely no interaction from the user to be effective.  It has sensors that are triggered by activity in the house to determine when it should adjust the thermostat.  After learning my patterns, I don't think I've touched the thing in 6 months. I bought 2 as gifts this past Christmas.
 
2014-01-14 07:20:11 AM
I'm about to replace all of my smoke alarms, so it would have been nice if they'd have done this a few months ago. And dropped the price of the Nest protect a bit. $120 is just too much when you need many of the damn things. Make it $80 and I'm in.
 
2014-01-14 08:09:52 AM

gingerjet: It has nothing to do with being an iFanboy.  It has everything to do with google not being good at design and function


Which is exactly the universal Apple fanboy fallback talking point, because it's impossible to prove or disprove. "Yuck, [insert non-Apple company's] UI is so messy and unintuitive! Apple's Just Works."
 
2014-01-14 09:02:30 AM

unyon: Isn't it one of the points of the Nest that it doesn't stay the same temperature? That it is adaptive within a range?


Here's the problem with the nest.  It uses light sensors and motion to tell if you are in the house to know when it can turn down the heat.  Now if your thermostat is downstairs and your office is upstairs it will never know that you are home unless you just program.  If you do that you might as well get a cheaper wifi thermostat.  I like the concept of Nest but way overpriced.
 
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