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2014-01-13 05:52:05 PM  
Thanks for keeping us infromed!
 
2014-01-13 05:54:44 PM  
Subby, you didn't link to Robocop. Why didn't you link to Robocop?
 
2014-01-13 05:55:40 PM  
Winning
 
2014-01-13 05:57:01 PM  
This guy is such a clown.  He's example number eleventymillion of morans running the city into the ground.  He got pulled over last week with an empty bottle of booze and a car that smelled like weed and was let go by a supervisor.  He complained he was profiled when the officer pulling him over was also black and on top of it he's an idiot on social media:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140110/METRO01/301090128

http://imgur.com/wUHg1jo
 
2014-01-13 06:01:09 PM  
Because he's the hero  Detroit deserves, but not the one it needs
 
2014-01-13 06:04:17 PM  
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2014-01-13 07:00:12 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: This guy is such a clown.  He's example number eleventymillion of morans running the city into the ground.  He got pulled over last week with an empty bottle of booze and a car that smelled like weed and was let go by a supervisor.  He complained he was profiled when the officer pulling him over was also black and on top of it he's an idiot on social media:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140110/METRO01/301090128

http://imgur.com/wUHg1jo


I came in here to mention that.  Seems like Detroit's citizens don't want responsible leadership...yet they want people to invest in the city.  How about no...I won't work in Detroit and the only times I'm down there are for a sporting event or concert.
 
2014-01-13 07:04:22 PM  
Boy, I just can't come up with any comments about Detroit's problems that don't come across racist.

Any how, how did he wind up needing mortgages on Detroit houses? I thought you could buy them for the price of a small import car.

Oh, and he's dumb enough to buy a TIMESHARE. That's what his Orlando thing is.
 
2014-01-13 07:07:16 PM  

jat26006: Because he's the hero  Detroit deserves, but not the one it needs


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2014-01-13 07:36:17 PM  
Detroit has an appointed Emergency Financial Manager, Kevyn Orr. Elections mean nothing in Detroit because the Emergency Financial Manager's powers trump all elections. Emergency Managers can:

*   Hire/fire local government employees
*   Renegotiate, terminate, modify labor contracts with state treasury approval
*   Sell, lease, or privatize local assets with state treasury approval
*   Revise contract obligations
*   Change local budgets without local legislative approval
*   Initiate municipal bankruptcy proceedings
*   Hire support staff
*   Strip locally elected officials of their power
*   Renegotiate, alter, or void union contracts before they expire, including imposing pay cuts that violate union contracts

It doesn't matter if Detroit were to elect Superman. He would be powerless compared to the Emergency Financial Manager.
 
2014-01-13 07:36:58 PM  
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2014-01-13 07:48:58 PM  

DeaH: Detroit has an appointed Emergency Financial Manager, Kevyn Orr. Elections mean nothing in Detroit because the Emergency Financial Manager's powers trump all elections. Emergency Managers can:

*   Hire/fire local government employees
*   Renegotiate, terminate, modify labor contracts with state treasury approval
*   Sell, lease, or privatize local assets with state treasury approval
*   Revise contract obligations
*   Change local budgets without local legislative approval
*   Initiate municipal bankruptcy proceedings
*   Hire support staff
*   Strip locally elected officials of their power
*   Renegotiate, alter, or void union contracts before they expire, including imposing pay cuts that violate union contracts

It doesn't matter if Detroit were to elect Superman. He would be powerless compared to the Emergency Financial Manager.


Dammit they were doing so well on their own too
 
2014-01-13 08:05:09 PM  
I saw him speak when he was a state representative.  He gave a presentation about the tax restoration during the last years of the Granholm administration.  The talk was slightly odd.  The points were good, but his demeanor reminded me of a leader from the 1970s who hasn't changed.  He even coming equipped with a "yes man" to respond to him in an old school call and response style I quite honestly haven't seen outside of a movie.
 
2014-01-13 08:28:09 PM  
Detroit is beyond the scope of financial responsibility; that opportunity was lost in the '90s when they went to the financial equivalent of Ludicrous Speed.  Anything that happens is now fodder for simple-minded conservative punch-lines (eg "Drunk bankrupt Democrat caused Detroit bankruptcy! LOLZ! If they elected Republicans they wouldn't be in this mess!")
 
2014-01-13 08:37:21 PM  

muck1969: Detroit is beyond the scope of financial responsibility; that opportunity was lost in the '90s when they went to the financial equivalent of Ludicrous Speed.  Anything that happens is now fodder for simple-minded conservative punch-lines (eg "Drunk bankrupt Democrat caused Detroit bankruptcy! LOLZ! If they elected Republicans they wouldn't be in this mess!")


And rightfully so.  Seeing as the "Gansta Mayor" AKA Kwame Kilpatrick managed to violate every ethical, legal, and moral code running the city, electing a Republican couldn't POSSIBLY have been worse.

He was convicted of fraud on a massive scale and is suspected of killing a stripper at the mayor's mansion for fark's sakes.  You just don't get much more derp than that.

Seriously, at one point every single member of the Detroit city council was under investigation by the FBI, SEC, Elections commission, or the BATF.  Detroit's citizens are complete retards.
 
2014-01-13 11:07:25 PM  

AngryDragon: And rightfully so.  Seeing as the "Gansta Mayor" AKA Kwame Kilpatrick managed to violate every ethical, legal, and moral code running the city, electing a Republican couldn't POSSIBLY have been worse.


Only if the mayor isn't being overridden by an Emergency Manager, whose purpose is only to represent the (ALEC & Mackinac Institute controlled) government in Lansing.  Why bother electing anyone for Detroit at this point if Lansing controls your city with no definite exit date? If Detroiters had the balls to do it (cops included) they'd unceremoniously send Orr and his friends on a one-way trip to Lansing - with instructions to not interfere with Mayor Duggan.


/Yes, I've read the reports
//and know that he's a Democrat kept in check by a not-so-conservative Republican legislature
///Nothing is said of when Lansing releases control of the city in its plans
////Not even in the long term ones
//Now where's an ED-209 malfunction when you need it?
 
2014-01-13 11:34:18 PM  

AcademGreen: He even coming equipped with a "yes man" to respond to him in an old school call and response style I quite honestly haven't seen outside of a movie.


As opposed to Kevyn Orr, a literal "yes man" from Lansing's current government?  In addition to that, he comes with the full backing of a state government that no longer represents its constituents(case in point: the RTW law that was designed to prevent a referendum, fearing an Ohio-style defeat).

Between ALEC and the Mackinac Institute, they've done to multiple states what OCP did only to Detroit except for the bloodshed, robots, and status as a for-profit company.   The only failure that ALEC has encountered is with Ohio, since Gov. Kasich did something none of his peers did - respected the wishes of his constituents after having the stricter-than-Wisconsin bill fail 62-38.

/Michigan's actions (and the rest of the ALEC states) make me proud to be an Ohioan
//State's doing reasonably well even it hasn't become an ALEC rubber-stamp state
///For that, I'd think that Gov. Kasich is actually more conservative
////for leaving Robocop in the movies, not putting it in the state government.
 
2014-01-14 03:53:13 AM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: This guy is such a clown.  He's example number eleventymillion of morans running the city into the ground.  He got pulled over last week with an empty bottle of booze and a car that smelled like weed and was let go by a supervisor.  He complained he was profiled when the officer pulling him over was also black and on top of it he's an idiot on social media:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140110/METRO01/301090128

http://imgur.com/wUHg1jo


Agreed overall, but black cops can still be guilty of stereotyping.
 
2014-01-14 09:26:21 AM  

sethstorm: AngryDragon: And rightfully so.  Seeing as the "Gansta Mayor" AKA Kwame Kilpatrick managed to violate every ethical, legal, and moral code running the city, electing a Republican couldn't POSSIBLY have been worse.

Only if the mayor isn't being overridden by an Emergency Manager, whose purpose is only to represent the (ALEC & Mackinac Institute controlled) government in Lansing.  Why bother electing anyone for Detroit at this point if Lansing controls your city with no definite exit date? If Detroiters had the balls to do it (cops included) they'd unceremoniously send Orr and his friends on a one-way trip to Lansing - with instructions to not interfere with Mayor Duggan.


/Yes, I've read the reports
//and know that he's a Democrat kept in check by a not-so-conservative Republican legislature
///Nothing is said of when Lansing releases control of the city in its plans
////Not even in the long term ones
//Now where's an ED-209 malfunction when you need it?


I agree having the state control the city is bad.  Detroit, however, is descending into anarchy.  No matter what the feel-good reports of a "city on the mend" say, there are vast areas that are effectively lawless.  Basic city services are nonexistent and no one is doing anything to fix it.  The citizens keep reelecting the same idiots who are constantly under investigation for looting the city's coffers for their own gain or those of their friends while the citizens suffer daily.

I don't think it's the ethical thing to do, but someone has to do it.  It's time for the adults to take over.
 
2014-01-14 01:10:09 PM  

jim32rr: DeaH: Detroit has an appointed Emergency Financial Manager, Kevyn Orr. Elections mean nothing in Detroit because the Emergency Financial Manager's powers trump all elections. Emergency Managers can:

*   Hire/fire local government employees
*   Renegotiate, terminate, modify labor contracts with state treasury approval
*   Sell, lease, or privatize local assets with state treasury approval
*   Revise contract obligations
*   Change local budgets without local legislative approval
*   Initiate municipal bankruptcy proceedings
*   Hire support staff
*   Strip locally elected officials of their power
*   Renegotiate, alter, or void union contracts before they expire, including imposing pay cuts that violate union contracts

It doesn't matter if Detroit were to elect Superman. He would be powerless compared to the Emergency Financial Manager.

Dammit they were doing so well on their own too


Yes, 30+ years of undermining unions and sending jobs overseas certainly had no impact on Detroit.
 
2014-01-14 01:32:26 PM  

AngryDragon: I don't think it's the ethical thing to do, but someone has to do it. It's time for the adults to take over.


DeaH: Yes, 30+ years of undermining unions and sending jobs overseas certainly had no impact on Detroit.


I wasn't in favor of the EM.  I wanted them to go bankrupt on their own with no help from the That being said if the state was going to help bail out the city from taxes received from the 9.5 million citizens that do NOT live in Detroit, I damn well wanted the city to control the money and NOT The same fools that got them to the point where they are now.

DeaH: Yes, 30+ years of undermining unions and sending jobs overseas certainly had no impact on Detroit.


Really, you're going to blame Detroit's downfall on that?
 
2014-01-14 02:38:11 PM  

slayer199: I wasn't in favor of the EM.  I wanted them to go bankrupt on their own with no help from the That being said if the state was going to help bail out the city from taxes received from the 9.5 million citizens that do NOT live in Detroit, I damn well wanted the city to control the money and NOT The same fools that got them to the point where they are now


Agreed

DeaH: Yes, 30+ years of undermining unions and sending jobs overseas certainly had no impact on Detroit


It only needed 8.

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2014-01-14 03:01:49 PM  

AngryDragon: slayer199: I wasn't in favor of the EM.  I wanted them to go bankrupt on their own with no help from the That being said if the state was going to help bail out the city from taxes received from the 9.5 million citizens that do NOT live in Detroit, I damn well wanted the city to control the money and NOT The same fools that got them to the point where they are now

Agreed

DeaH: Yes, 30+ years of undermining unions and sending jobs overseas certainly had no impact on Detroit

It only needed 8.

[i.imgur.com image 525x294]


And, yet, it had 34.
 
2014-01-14 03:17:13 PM  

slayer199: AngryDragon: I don't think it's the ethical thing to do, but someone has to do it. It's time for the adults to take over.

DeaH: Yes, 30+ years of undermining unions and sending jobs overseas certainly had no impact on Detroit.

I wasn't in favor of the EM.  I wanted them to go bankrupt on their own with no help from the That being said if the state was going to help bail out the city from taxes received from the 9.5 million citizens that do NOT live in Detroit, I damn well wanted the city to control the money and NOT The same fools that got them to the point where they are now.

DeaH: Yes, 30+ years of undermining unions and sending jobs overseas certainly had no impact on Detroit.

Really, you're going to blame Detroit's downfall on that?


Really? Your going to pretend it had nothing to do with Detroit's downfall? That industry tax base going away had no impact? That factories that were left as ghost towns had no impact on other property in the area? That diminishing wages because of fewer union jobs had no impact on the tax base? Really?
 
2014-01-14 03:33:49 PM  

DeaH: Really? Your going to pretend it had nothing to do with Detroit's downfall? That industry tax base going away had no impact? That factories that were left as ghost towns had no impact on other property in the area? That diminishing wages because of fewer union jobs had no impact on the tax base? Really?


I didn't said it had nothing to do with it, but it wasn't the primary cause.  The leadership of the city had everything to do with WHY they are where they are now.
 
2014-01-14 03:55:16 PM  

slayer199: DeaH: Really? Your going to pretend it had nothing to do with Detroit's downfall? That industry tax base going away had no impact? That factories that were left as ghost towns had no impact on other property in the area? That diminishing wages because of fewer union jobs had no impact on the tax base? Really?

I didn't said it had nothing to do with it, but it wasn't the primary cause.  The leadership of the city had everything to do with WHY they are where they are now.


I think you're wrong. Detroit's decline coincided with two things more than anything else:

1) Industry figuring out ways to break unions/offshore jobs
2) The race problem that resulted in white flight also resulted in a screw-you attitude toward city leaders.

Yes, leadership had problems. I was never a fan of Coleman Young. But you want to know something weird? He was not responsible for Detroit's financial problems. And, yes, Kilpatrick's borrowing binge had a big negative impact. But wanna know who was complicit with him? Wall Street. Wall Street made hundreds of millions off the deal made even more attractive by Detroit's pension funds. Kwame is going to jail for 28 years, but everyone on the Wall Street side of the deal walks away richer.

Has Detroit had great leadership? No. But let's be really clear about this. Industry has screwed Detroit and it's screwing it still. Let's see what happens to the Art Institute's collection and Belle Isle. Let's see what happens to the pension fund. Regardless, it will be good for business but probably not so much for Detroit. But it's a win-win because we'll all be able to talk about how those people ran the city and reinforce all our prejudices and stereotypes with a merry titter. And business will do just fine.
 
2014-01-14 08:16:49 PM  

DeaH: slayer199: DeaH: Really? Your going to pretend it had nothing to do with Detroit's downfall? That industry tax base going away had no impact? That factories that were left as ghost towns had no impact on other property in the area? That diminishing wages because of fewer union jobs had no impact on the tax base? Really?

I didn't said it had nothing to do with it, but it wasn't the primary cause.  The leadership of the city had everything to do with WHY they are where they are now.

I think you're wrong. Detroit's decline coincided with two things more than anything else:

1) Industry figuring out ways to break unions/offshore jobs
2) The race problem that resulted in white flight also resulted in a screw-you attitude toward city leaders.

Yes, leadership had problems. I was never a fan of Coleman Young. But you want to know something weird? He was not responsible for Detroit's financial problems. And, yes, Kilpatrick's borrowing binge had a big negative impact. But wanna know who was complicit with him? Wall Street. Wall Street made hundreds of millions off the deal made even more attractive by Detroit's pension funds. Kwame is going to jail for 28 years, but everyone on the Wall Street side of the deal walks away richer.

Has Detroit had great leadership? No. But let's be really clear about this. Industry has screwed Detroit and it's screwing it still. Let's see what happens to the Art Institute's collection and Belle Isle. Let's see what happens to the pension fund. Regardless, it will be good for business but probably not so much for Detroit. But it's a win-win because we'll all be able to talk about how those people ran the city and reinforce all our prejudices and stereotypes with a merry titter. And business will do just fine.


OK.  I agree with a lot of what you say, but this I can't take.  Wall Street abandoned Detroit long ago.  The only people really profiting off Detroit are it's corrupt leaders.

/Resident for more years than I care to admit.
 
2014-01-14 08:27:18 PM  

AngryDragon: DeaH: slayer199: DeaH: Really? Your going to pretend it had nothing to do with Detroit's downfall? That industry tax base going away had no impact? That factories that were left as ghost towns had no impact on other property in the area? That diminishing wages because of fewer union jobs had no impact on the tax base? Really?

I didn't said it had nothing to do with it, but it wasn't the primary cause.  The leadership of the city had everything to do with WHY they are where they are now.

I think you're wrong. Detroit's decline coincided with two things more than anything else:

1) Industry figuring out ways to break unions/offshore jobs
2) The race problem that resulted in white flight also resulted in a screw-you attitude toward city leaders.

Yes, leadership had problems. I was never a fan of Coleman Young. But you want to know something weird? He was not responsible for Detroit's financial problems. And, yes, Kilpatrick's borrowing binge had a big negative impact. But wanna know who was complicit with him? Wall Street. Wall Street made hundreds of millions off the deal made even more attractive by Detroit's pension funds. Kwame is going to jail for 28 years, but everyone on the Wall Street side of the deal walks away richer.

Has Detroit had great leadership? No. But let's be really clear about this. Industry has screwed Detroit and it's screwing it still. Let's see what happens to the Art Institute's collection and Belle Isle. Let's see what happens to the pension fund. Regardless, it will be good for business but probably not so much for Detroit. But it's a win-win because we'll all be able to talk about how those people ran the city and reinforce all our prejudices and stereotypes with a merry titter. And business will do just fine.

OK.  I agree with a lot of what you say, but this I can't take.   Wall Street abandoned Detroit long ago.  The only people really profiting off Detroit are it's corrupt leaders.

/Resident for more years than I care to admit.


Wall Street made a $474 Million fee off of the Kwame debacle. I provided other links in the earlier post. Bloomberg is the source for this one. You are wrong. The whole argument has been framed incorrectly. Wall Street can both abandon Detroit and still profit off of it in much the same way a corporate raider can destroy a company and make a bundle raiding the pensions.

Kwame is in jail. The Wall Street guys are not. The Wall Street guys are richer. Kwame is not.  So, who exactly is profiting? Hint: No one in Detroit.
 
2014-01-14 11:12:01 PM  

DeaH: I think you're wrong. Detroit's decline coincided with two things more than anything else:

1) Industry figuring out ways to break unions/offshore jobs
2) The race problem that resulted in white flight also resulted in a screw-you attitude toward city leaders.

Yes, leadership had problems. I was never a fan of Coleman Young. But you want to know something weird? He was not responsible for Detroit's financial problems. And, yes, Kilpatrick's borrowing binge had a big negative impact. But wanna know who was complicit with him? Wall Street. Wall Street made hundreds of millions off the deal made even more attractive by Detroit's pension funds. Kwame is going to jail for 28 years, but everyone on the Wall Street side of the deal walks away richer.

Has Detroit had great leadership? No. But let's be really clear about this. Industry has screwed Detroit and it's screwing it still. Let's see what happens to the Art Institute's collection and Belle Isle. Let's see what happens to the pension fund. Regardless, it will be good for business but probably not so much for Detroit. But it's a win-win because we'll all be able to talk about how those people ran the city and reinforce all our prejudices and stereotypes with a merry titter. And business will do just fine.


Coleman Young ran a balanced budget.  You're making excuses for the leadership...period.

Michigan and Detroit got fat off the auto industry for years...and never did anything to attract new businesses to the city or state.  A LOT of cities in Michigan have suffered because of the decline of the auto industry...but not all of them had leadership that were stealing from the city and were corrupt.  You can blame it on Wall Street or on the decline of unions (which is utter BS...because non-union autoworkers in the south are now making more in total compensation than the union members in the north), but the truth of the matter is that poor leadership is what got the city into the position it was in.

You can biatch about industry all you want but if it wasn't for Ilitch, Gilbert, Karmanos....and companies like GM and Blue Cross...Detroit would be in even worse shape as those companies all moved their headquarters to Detroit.
 
2014-01-14 11:54:17 PM  

slayer199: DeaH: I think you're wrong. Detroit's decline coincided with two things more than anything else:

1) Industry figuring out ways to break unions/offshore jobs
2) The race problem that resulted in white flight also resulted in a screw-you attitude toward city leaders.

Yes, leadership had problems. I was never a fan of Coleman Young. But you want to know something weird? He was not responsible for Detroit's financial problems. And, yes, Kilpatrick's borrowing binge had a big negative impact. But wanna know who was complicit with him? Wall Street. Wall Street made hundreds of millions off the deal made even more attractive by Detroit's pension funds. Kwame is going to jail for 28 years, but everyone on the Wall Street side of the deal walks away richer.

Has Detroit had great leadership? No. But let's be really clear about this. Industry has screwed Detroit and it's screwing it still. Let's see what happens to the Art Institute's collection and Belle Isle. Let's see what happens to the pension fund. Regardless, it will be good for business but probably not so much for Detroit. But it's a win-win because we'll all be able to talk about how those people ran the city and reinforce all our prejudices and stereotypes with a merry titter. And business will do just fine.

Coleman Young ran a balanced budget.  You're making excuses for the leadership...period.

Michigan and Detroit got fat off the auto industry for years...and never did anything to attract new businesses to the city or state.  A LOT of cities in Michigan have suffered because of the decline of the auto industry...but not all of them had leadership that were stealing from the city and were corrupt.  You can blame it on Wall Street or on the decline of unions (which is utter BS...because non-union autoworkers in the south are now making more in total compensation than the union members in the north), but the truth of the matter is that poor leadership is what got the city into the position it was in.

You can biatch about industry all you want but if it wasn't for Ilitch, Gilbert, Karmanos....and companies like GM and Blue Cross...Detroit would be in even worse shape as those companies all moved their headquarters to Detroit.


I am not saying that the elected officials were great or even good, but you are naive - in the extreme - if you think industry has been great for Detroit in the last 30 years. Take your example of GM. What percentage of the GM workforce was in Michigan in the 1960s? What percent is there now? Yet GM's top brass does very well indeed. Compare today's salary for the GM president with the salary the GM president got in 1965. Then do the same calculation for the guys on the line.

Race problems have been cover for the sucking dry of the area. And even now that Detroit is in its last gasps, business is still finding a way to profit off the area at the expense of the people who are still there. No, the elected leadership in Detroit was not good. It didn't do enough to protect the treasure and resources of the area. Mostly, it fiddled while Detroit burned. But getting back to that Wall Street deal that was plainly illegal, why is no one on Wall Street paying? Why were they allowed to keep the hundreds of millions in profits? Why are you content to just sit there and let them go without even the least amount of culpability?
 
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