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(Talking Points Memo)   After only 400,000 enrollments through November, Obamacare continues to languish with 1.8 million enrollments in December   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2014-01-13 05:32:20 PM  
That is a lot of penis pumps.
 
2014-01-13 05:33:42 PM  
Clearly a failure.

Give it up already, Dems!
 
2014-01-13 05:47:00 PM  
In a couple of months they're going to be biatching that only 6.9 million signed up instead of 7.
 
2014-01-13 05:48:58 PM  

themindiswatching: In a couple of months they're going to be biatching that only 6.9 million signed up instead of 7.


And they'll still be barking for repeal.

I'll be shocked, shocked I say, if they actually back off of repeal after the primaries are over.
 
2014-01-13 06:05:13 PM  
But I was told it doesn't matter because Obamacare caused eleventy million companies to dump insurance.
 
2014-01-13 06:05:52 PM  

meat0918: themindiswatching: In a couple of months they're going to be biatching that only 6.9 million signed up instead of 7.

And they'll still be barking for repeal.

I'll be shocked, shocked I say, if they actually back off of repeal after the primaries are over.


This is not a repeat from 2010 or 2012.
 
2014-01-13 06:07:19 PM  
How does selling health insurance fix health care?
 
2014-01-13 06:09:25 PM  
But what about the trillions who have lost coverage?
 
2014-01-13 06:10:11 PM  
Do we have single payer yet? No? Well I guess my next hospital bill will be a game of "Guess How Much You Owe".
/better than doing nothing I reckon
 
2014-01-13 06:11:21 PM  

BigOle8point: How does selling health insurance fix health care?


It doesn't.  Healthcare is free.  Duh.
 
2014-01-13 06:12:08 PM  

lennavan: meat0918: themindiswatching: In a couple of months they're going to be biatching that only 6.9 million signed up instead of 7.

And they'll still be barking for repeal.

I'll be shocked, shocked I say, if they actually back off of repeal after the primaries are over.

This is not a repeat from 2010 or 2012.


Well, previously it hadn't actually enrolled anyone.  In 20 years the GOP will be defending Obamacare from the evils of single payer.
 
2014-01-13 06:13:15 PM  

BigOle8point: How does selling health insurance fix health care?


People won't be treating the ER like a last-second fix.  ER care is super expensive compared to preventative care or non-ER care with a regular doctor.

With the focus put upon preventative care and non-emergency care, the high costs of healthcare will start to diminish as time passes and we don't have a god-awful backlog of people who've needed healthcare for decades and yet didn't get it because of pre-existing conditions and the high premiums.
 
2014-01-13 06:13:28 PM  

lennavan: BigOle8point: How does selling health insurance fix health care?

It doesn't.  Healthcare is free.  Duh.


Free like a Nigerian Lottery
 
2014-01-13 06:13:31 PM  
It makes the right wing so mad that the ACA is providing "those people" with insurance.
 
2014-01-13 06:16:19 PM  
Pretty soon the GOP will start claiming it was their idea all along.
 
2014-01-13 06:21:29 PM  
People signing up for a system whereby they can gain access to a public service mislabeled as a commodity in order to mitigate the outrageous cost of healthcare? Noooooooooo. Never happen.
 
2014-01-13 06:26:50 PM  

DubyaHater: Do we have single payer yet? No? Well I guess my next hospital bill will be a game of "Guess How Much You Owe".
/better than doing nothing I reckon


There is single payer already...it's you!
 
2014-01-13 06:29:43 PM  

vernonFL: That is a lot of penis pumps.


That's not mine.
 
2014-01-13 06:31:22 PM  

spelletrader: Pretty soon the GOP will start claiming it was their idea all along.


To be fair, it IS basically the package that the Republicans tried to push out a long time ago, that got defeated, then brought back by the Dems.
 
2014-01-13 06:31:39 PM  
Anyone got the figures on what the Exchanges in Democrat controlled states (that didn't try to sabotage the process) totaled?  I think Covered California enrolled about the number they were expecting - how did New York do?
 
2014-01-13 06:31:48 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: It makes the right wing so mad that the ACA is providing "those people" with insurance.


The problem has always been the cost of health care. I was sold to the fact that "health care reforms" were reforms to you know, health care. But the reform is just to offer everyone an "affordable" health plan? That's garbage. Quit taking all the kickbacks from the Big Pharma lobbyists and start with them. That shiat is way too expensive for most regular folks to afford.


Infernalist: BigOle8point: How does selling health insurance fix health care?

People won't be treating the ER like a last-second fix.  ER care is super expensive compared to preventative care or non-ER care with a regular doctor.

With the focus put upon preventative care and non-emergency care, the high costs of healthcare will start to diminish as time passes and we don't have a god-awful backlog of people who've needed healthcare for decades and yet didn't get it because of pre-existing conditions and the high premiums.


Preventative care, non emergency care and health insurance all cost $. When folks are struggling to get by this will be one of the first things that goes unpaid.
 
2014-01-13 06:32:34 PM  

spelletrader: Pretty soon the GOP will start claiming it was their idea all along.


imagizer.imageshack.us
 
2014-01-13 06:33:23 PM  
So, riddle me this, batman. I thought the ACA was supposed to have taken effect and basically made it impossible for stuff to be denied as a pre-existing condition?

So, what the hell is this from my doctor billing me for $120 for something not covered due to a pre-existing condition?
 
2014-01-13 06:34:54 PM  

BigOle8point: Zeppelininthesky: It makes the right wing so mad that the ACA is providing "those people" with insurance.

The problem has always been the cost of health care. I was sold to the fact that "health care reforms" were reforms to you know, health care. But the reform is just to offer everyone an "affordable" health plan? That's garbage. Quit taking all the kickbacks from the Big Pharma lobbyists and start with them. That shiat is way too expensive for most regular folks to afford.


Infernalist: BigOle8point: How does selling health insurance fix health care?

People won't be treating the ER like a last-second fix.  ER care is super expensive compared to preventative care or non-ER care with a regular doctor.

With the focus put upon preventative care and non-emergency care, the high costs of healthcare will start to diminish as time passes and we don't have a god-awful backlog of people who've needed healthcare for decades and yet didn't get it because of pre-existing conditions and the high premiums.

Preventative care, non emergency care and health insurance all cost $. When folks are struggling to get by this will be one of the first things that goes unpaid.


Which, at worst, means the government is paying for the much cheaper non-emergency care and preventative care rather than the obscenely expensive ER care.

An improvement over the old system, wouldn't you agree?
 
2014-01-13 06:35:21 PM  

Kit Fister: So, riddle me this, batman. I thought the ACA was supposed to have taken effect and basically made it impossible for stuff to be denied as a pre-existing condition?

So, what the hell is this from my doctor billing me for $120 for something not covered due to a pre-existing condition?


It was from before the provision went into effect.

You're welcome.
 
2014-01-13 06:36:27 PM  

Kit Fister: So, what the hell is this from my doctor billing me for $120 for something not covered due to a pre-existing condition?



imageshack.com


Probably from some college party
 
2014-01-13 06:36:28 PM  

Kit Fister: So, riddle me this, batman. I thought the ACA was supposed to have taken effect and basically made it impossible for stuff to be denied as a pre-existing condition?

So, what the hell is this from my doctor billing me for $120 for something not covered due to a pre-existing condition?


Details, please.

Though, it should be noted that smokers 'can' be charged more due to their smoking.

Over all, however, you can't be denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions.
 
2014-01-13 06:37:10 PM  

Tigger: Kit Fister: So, riddle me this, batman. I thought the ACA was supposed to have taken effect and basically made it impossible for stuff to be denied as a pre-existing condition?

So, what the hell is this from my doctor billing me for $120 for something not covered due to a pre-existing condition?

It was from before the provision went into effect.

You're welcome.


YOU MEAN OBAMACARE ISN'T RETROACTIVELY ELIMINATING ALL MEDICAL DEBT??  See the Republicans were right!
 
2014-01-13 06:37:14 PM  

Infernalist: BigOle8point: How does selling health insurance fix health care?

People won't be treating the ER like a last-second fix.  ER care is super expensive compared to preventative care or non-ER care with a regular doctor.

With the focus put upon preventative care and non-emergency care, the high costs of healthcare will start to diminish as time passes and we don't have a god-awful backlog of people who've needed healthcare for decades and yet didn't get it because of pre-existing conditions and the high premiums.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/01/02/259128081/medicaid-expans io n-boosted-emergency-room-visits-in-oregon

Except that in states tracking it, more people with coverage is boosting ER visits, not reducing them?

Don't get me wrong, I support the ACA and anything we cna do to get people healthy since it's beneficial to all of us. But, maybe this just goes to highlight that part of the problem is the people expecting services incorrectly in the first place, too?
 
2014-01-13 06:37:33 PM  

meat0918: lennavan: meat0918: themindiswatching: In a couple of months they're going to be biatching that only 6.9 million signed up instead of 7.

And they'll still be barking for repeal.

I'll be shocked, shocked I say, if they actually back off of repeal after the primaries are over.

This is not a repeat from 2010 or 2012.

Well, previously it hadn't actually enrolled anyone.  In 20 years the GOP will be defending Obamacare from the evils of single payer.


Guys, they're still trying to kill Social Security after 80 years. They'll never surrender.
 
2014-01-13 06:37:53 PM  

Skleenar: Kit Fister: So, what the hell is this from my doctor billing me for $120 for something not covered due to a pre-existing condition?


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Probably from some college party


slowclap.jpg

that was a much better answer
 
2014-01-13 06:40:28 PM  

Infernalist: Kit Fister: So, riddle me this, batman. I thought the ACA was supposed to have taken effect and basically made it impossible for stuff to be denied as a pre-existing condition?

So, what the hell is this from my doctor billing me for $120 for something not covered due to a pre-existing condition?

Details, please.

Though, it should be noted that smokers 'can' be charged more due to their smoking.

Over all, however, you can't be denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions.


Not sure what to give you. Says service date was 11/27, ESTABLISHED LEVEL 4 is the service, and says it wasn't covered by insruance because of pre-existing conditiion. Doesn't even say specifically what it was.
 
2014-01-13 06:41:05 PM  

Skleenar: Kit Fister: So, what the hell is this from my doctor billing me for $120 for something not covered due to a pre-existing condition?


[imageshack.com image 450x529]


Probably from some college party


Nah, I crapped that out last night. Exlax, nothing it can't move.
 
2014-01-13 06:41:15 PM  

Kit Fister: Infernalist: BigOle8point: How does selling health insurance fix health care?

People won't be treating the ER like a last-second fix.  ER care is super expensive compared to preventative care or non-ER care with a regular doctor.

With the focus put upon preventative care and non-emergency care, the high costs of healthcare will start to diminish as time passes and we don't have a god-awful backlog of people who've needed healthcare for decades and yet didn't get it because of pre-existing conditions and the high premiums.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/01/02/259128081/medicaid-expans io n-boosted-emergency-room-visits-in-oregon

Except that in states tracking it, more people with coverage is boosting ER visits, not reducing them?

Don't get me wrong, I support the ACA and anything we cna do to get people healthy since it's beneficial to all of us. But, maybe this just goes to highlight that part of the problem is the people expecting services incorrectly in the first place, too?


We all knew there would be a huge backlog of people who are dreadfully sick already and many of them only went to the ER as a last resort.  Now, they can afford to go to the ER to deal with their well-advanced illnesses that went untreated due to lack of funding to deal with them.

There's a ton of people out there with advanced conditions that require the ER that now can use the ER.  The insurance companies knew about this backlog and required the individual mandate in place so they'd have the money needed to take care of this backlog of neglected sick people.

Once the backlog is cleared out by care and/or death, then the system can actually function at its greatest efficiency.  Until that backlog of sick people are gone, however, there's going to be a huge uptick in people using medical services and yes, that includes the ER.
 
2014-01-13 06:41:59 PM  

Infernalist: BigOle8point: Zeppelininthesky: It makes the right wing so mad that the ACA is providing "those people" with insurance.

The problem has always been the cost of health care. I was sold to the fact that "health care reforms" were reforms to you know, health care. But the reform is just to offer everyone an "affordable" health plan? That's garbage. Quit taking all the kickbacks from the Big Pharma lobbyists and start with them. That shiat is way too expensive for most regular folks to afford.


Infernalist: BigOle8point: How does selling health insurance fix health care?

People won't be treating the ER like a last-second fix.  ER care is super expensive compared to preventative care or non-ER care with a regular doctor.

With the focus put upon preventative care and non-emergency care, the high costs of healthcare will start to diminish as time passes and we don't have a god-awful backlog of people who've needed healthcare for decades and yet didn't get it because of pre-existing conditions and the high premiums.

Preventative care, non emergency care and health insurance all cost $. When folks are struggling to get by this will be one of the first things that goes unpaid.

Which, at worst, means the government is paying for the much cheaper non-emergency care and preventative care rather than the obscenely expensive ER care.

An improvement over the old system, wouldn't you agree?


Gosh, I hope so. I really do. Only time will tell.

I hope the younger generation sees this and starts signing up. This will only work if we have full participation.
 
2014-01-13 06:43:23 PM  

Kit Fister: Infernalist: Kit Fister: So, riddle me this, batman. I thought the ACA was supposed to have taken effect and basically made it impossible for stuff to be denied as a pre-existing condition?

So, what the hell is this from my doctor billing me for $120 for something not covered due to a pre-existing condition?

Details, please.

Though, it should be noted that smokers 'can' be charged more due to their smoking.

Over all, however, you can't be denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

Not sure what to give you. Says service date was 11/27, ESTABLISHED LEVEL 4 is the service, and says it wasn't covered by insruance because of pre-existing conditiion. Doesn't even say specifically what it was.


11/27 is before the actual program kicked in.  The rule against denying service due to pre-existing conditions didn't kick in until Jan 1st, 2014.
 
2014-01-13 06:43:25 PM  

BigOle8point: Zeppelininthesky: It makes the right wing so mad that the ACA is providing "those people" with insurance.

The problem has always been the cost of health care. I was sold to the fact that "health care reforms" were reforms to you know, health care. But the reform is just to offer everyone an "affordable" health plan? That's garbage. Quit taking all the kickbacks from the Big Pharma lobbyists and start with them. That shiat is way too expensive for most regular folks to afford.


Infernalist: BigOle8point: How does selling health insurance fix health care?

People won't be treating the ER like a last-second fix.  ER care is super expensive compared to preventative care or non-ER care with a regular doctor.

With the focus put upon preventative care and non-emergency care, the high costs of healthcare will start to diminish as time passes and we don't have a god-awful backlog of people who've needed healthcare for decades and yet didn't get it because of pre-existing conditions and the high premiums.

Preventative care, non emergency care and health insurance all cost $. When folks are struggling to get by this will be one of the first things that goes unpaid.


So, change the Medicare Part B.
 
2014-01-13 06:43:36 PM  
In related news, tax return filings are expected to soar as we approach its deadline.
 
2014-01-13 06:45:03 PM  

BigOle8point: Infernalist: BigOle8point: Zeppelininthesky: It makes the right wing so mad that the ACA is providing "those people" with insurance.

The problem has always been the cost of health care. I was sold to the fact that "health care reforms" were reforms to you know, health care. But the reform is just to offer everyone an "affordable" health plan? That's garbage. Quit taking all the kickbacks from the Big Pharma lobbyists and start with them. That shiat is way too expensive for most regular folks to afford.


Infernalist: BigOle8point: How does selling health insurance fix health care?

People won't be treating the ER like a last-second fix.  ER care is super expensive compared to preventative care or non-ER care with a regular doctor.

With the focus put upon preventative care and non-emergency care, the high costs of healthcare will start to diminish as time passes and we don't have a god-awful backlog of people who've needed healthcare for decades and yet didn't get it because of pre-existing conditions and the high premiums.

Preventative care, non emergency care and health insurance all cost $. When folks are struggling to get by this will be one of the first things that goes unpaid.

Which, at worst, means the government is paying for the much cheaper non-emergency care and preventative care rather than the obscenely expensive ER care.

An improvement over the old system, wouldn't you agree?

Gosh, I hope so. I really do. Only time will tell.

I hope the younger generation sees this and starts signing up. This will only work if we have full participation.


It's already working.  I doubt that 1.8million number counts the 18-25 crowd that got re-added to their parents' healthcare.
 
2014-01-13 06:46:22 PM  

Infernalist: We all knew there would be a huge backlog of people who are dreadfully sick already and many of them only went to the ER as a last resort. Now, they can afford to go to the ER to deal with their well-advanced illnesses that went untreated due to lack of funding to deal with them.

There's a ton of people out there with advanced conditions that require the ER that now can use the ER. The insurance companies knew about this backlog and required the individual mandate in place so they'd have the money needed to take care of this backlog of neglected sick people.

Once the backlog is cleared out by care and/or death, then the system can actually function at its greatest efficiency. Until that backlog of sick people are gone, however, there's going to be a huge uptick in people using medical services and yes, that includes the ER.


Sure, but, wouldn't it be wise to advertise and shunt those folks over to clinics and other such places for triage, rather than sending them into the ER directly? ANd less expensive?
 
2014-01-13 06:47:51 PM  

Kit Fister: Infernalist: We all knew there would be a huge backlog of people who are dreadfully sick already and many of them only went to the ER as a last resort. Now, they can afford to go to the ER to deal with their well-advanced illnesses that went untreated due to lack of funding to deal with them.

There's a ton of people out there with advanced conditions that require the ER that now can use the ER. The insurance companies knew about this backlog and required the individual mandate in place so they'd have the money needed to take care of this backlog of neglected sick people.

Once the backlog is cleared out by care and/or death, then the system can actually function at its greatest efficiency. Until that backlog of sick people are gone, however, there's going to be a huge uptick in people using medical services and yes, that includes the ER.

Sure, but, wouldn't it be wise to advertise and shunt those folks over to clinics and other such places for triage, rather than sending them into the ER directly? ANd less expensive?


It'd be incredibly wise to do so.

Would you care to ask what happened to the funding for ACA advertising?  I'll give you three guesses as to what happened to it.
 
2014-01-13 06:47:51 PM  

Infernalist: It's already working. I doubt that 1.8million number counts the 18-25 crowd that got re-added to their parents' healthcare.


I was on my parents' insurance until I was 25, which was the cutoff before. I had their coverage my entire time in college, and this was before the ACA. I thought the ACA changed it to something like 28?
 
2014-01-13 06:49:41 PM  

Kit Fister: Infernalist: It's already working. I doubt that 1.8million number counts the 18-25 crowd that got re-added to their parents' healthcare.

I was on my parents' insurance until I was 25, which was the cutoff before. I had their coverage my entire time in college, and this was before the ACA. I thought the ACA changed it to something like 28?


Nope, the original cut-off point was 18.  That was changed to 25 by the ACA.

If you were on your parents' healthcare after 18, they paid the full price of an additonal adult family member.  The ACA allows 18-25s to stay on their parents' policies as a 'minor', which is far less expensive.
 
2014-01-13 06:51:59 PM  

Infernalist: Would you care to ask what happened to the funding for ACA advertising? I'll give you three guesses as to what happened to it.


The same thing that happened to mental health care funding and extended unemployment?
 
2014-01-13 06:52:45 PM  

Infernalist: Nope, the original cut-off point was 18. That was changed to 25 by the ACA.

If you were on your parents' healthcare after 18, they paid the full price of an additonal adult family member. The ACA allows 18-25s to stay on their parents' policies as a 'minor', which is far less expensive.


According to BCBS they had, and according to them, their coverage covered me until 25. So, maybe something to do with their coverage then. Dunno.
 
2014-01-13 06:52:55 PM  
I'm guessing it's because so many states opted out and what expand medicare. So many next time we can just not compromise and get a single payer system.
 
2014-01-13 06:53:30 PM  

Infernalist: Kit Fister: Infernalist: It's already working. I doubt that 1.8million number counts the 18-25 crowd that got re-added to their parents' healthcare.

I was on my parents' insurance until I was 25, which was the cutoff before. I had their coverage my entire time in college, and this was before the ACA. I thought the ACA changed it to something like 28?

Nope, the original cut-off point was 18.  That was changed to 25 by the ACA.

If you were on your parents' healthcare after 18, they paid the full price of an additonal adult family member.  The ACA allows 18-25s to stay on their parents' policies as a 'minor', which is far less expensive.


Also, what are you, the White House's ACA PR expert?
 
2014-01-13 06:54:47 PM  

DubyaHater: Do we have single payer yet? No? Well I guess my next hospital bill will be a game of "Guess How Much You Owe".
/better than doing nothing I reckon


That's why I love Obamacare.  My range for that guesstimate has gone from a maximum of infinity to a maximum of $6708.32 a year (premiums plus maximum out of pocket).  And that's not counting the tax credit.

Getting cancer or major medical problems has gone down to a question of how much can I get for my car and how much of a raise can I hit my boss up for, whereas previously I had questions like:

"Do I really want to see a doctor for this ugly new bump on my leg?  If it's cancer I can't afford to do anything, and once I know for sure I wouldn't be able to get insurance because it'd be pre-existing."

"How big of a cut can you stick up with crazy glue and duct tape anyway?"  (Answer: quite large.  Much more than you'd expect)

"How many motrin and canteens of water will it take to endure this probably-broken thumb for three weeks until I have drill and I can get a corpsman to look at it?"
 
2014-01-13 06:56:16 PM  

Kit Fister: Infernalist: Kit Fister: Infernalist: It's already working. I doubt that 1.8million number counts the 18-25 crowd that got re-added to their parents' healthcare.

I was on my parents' insurance until I was 25, which was the cutoff before. I had their coverage my entire time in college, and this was before the ACA. I thought the ACA changed it to something like 28?

Nope, the original cut-off point was 18.  That was changed to 25 by the ACA.

If you were on your parents' healthcare after 18, they paid the full price of an additonal adult family member.  The ACA allows 18-25s to stay on their parents' policies as a 'minor', which is far less expensive.

Also, what are you, the White House's ACA PR expert?


LOL  No, I've just seen enough of these threads to have read the answers to many of these questions already.  We're going on how many years worth of Obamacare hysteria?

And yes, you're right.  The funding for ACA advertising was cut by the House GOP.  There are 'many' aspects of Obamacare that could use improving, but that would require a bipartisan effort in the House and that's not going to happen, at least, not until the GOP majority disappears.
 
2014-01-13 06:56:40 PM  

Kit Fister: Infernalist: It's already working. I doubt that 1.8million number counts the 18-25 crowd that got re-added to their parents' healthcare.

I was on my parents' insurance until I was 25, which was the cutoff before. I had their coverage my entire time in college, and this was before the ACA. I thought the ACA changed it to something like 28?


Before you were only covered after 18 if you were a full time college student. Now you're covered until 26 no matter what.
 
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