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(Fox News)   Despite the odds of winning being roughly the same as him playing quarterback for both teams in the Superbowl, A-Rod files suit to overturn arbitrator's ban, releases 33 page decision in the process   (foxnews.com) divider line 73
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2014-01-13 05:41:36 PM  
Well where's the link to the court filing?

www.lifeintherough.com

We're waiting!
 
2014-01-13 05:42:56 PM  
Early in this whole story, it was interesting, sometimes even comical.  Now, it really is starting to become sad.
 
2014-01-13 05:48:48 PM  
This really shows that all A-Rod cares about is the money and possibly legacy if he somehow gets his stats untainted.  The more he drags this out and the more he fights it, the more pretty much everyone is going to dislike him.
 
2014-01-13 05:52:39 PM  
Alex Rodriguez Going Full Retard Trifecta Complete.
 
2014-01-13 05:54:31 PM  

Summoner101: This really shows that all A-Rod cares about is the money and possibly legacy if he somehow gets his stats untainted.  The more he drags this out and the more he fights it, the more pretty much everyone is going to dislike him.


Is it possible for more people to dislike this guy?

Bonds, McGwire, Sosa.....none of them were suspended for testing positive.

And technically, neither was Rodriguez.

This has gone way further than "putting the toothpaste back into the tube," and I'm not even sure there's an analogy that could be used for what he's trying to accomplish.
 
2014-01-13 05:55:06 PM  
Hey Arod i don't think you understand what BInding means, I hope yout ignoring your lawyers on this, otherwise they are incompetent and should be fired.

Federal courts have time and again refused to over turn binding arbitration, including famously in the case which killed the infamous reserve clause.
 
2014-01-13 06:08:24 PM  

LessO2: Summoner101: This really shows that all A-Rod cares about is the money and possibly legacy if he somehow gets his stats untainted.  The more he drags this out and the more he fights it, the more pretty much everyone is going to dislike him.

Is it possible for more people to dislike this guy?

Bonds, McGwire, Sosa.....none of them were suspended for testing positive.

And technically, neither was Rodriguez.

This has gone way further than "putting the toothpaste back into the tube," and I'm not even sure there's an analogy that could be used for what he's trying to accomplish.


Streisand effect comes to mind.
 
2014-01-13 06:09:31 PM  
What I love is he's arguing they violated his confidentiality when he was trying to buy documents to get out of being punished.
 
2014-01-13 06:13:35 PM  
Suing the union for not representing him adequately takes this to a level I hadn't previously dared hope for.
 
2014-01-13 06:14:18 PM  

flucto: Suing the union for not representing him adequately takes this to a level I hadn't previously dared hope for.


Yeah, when I saw that I wanted to know if it was possible for everybody to lose.
 
2014-01-13 06:21:07 PM  

grimlock1972: Hey Arod i don't think you understand what BInding means, I hope yout ignoring your lawyers on this, otherwise they are incompetent and should be fired.


oi44.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-13 06:29:08 PM  
Wow, suing his own union means that now not only every fan will hate him every player will despise him as well.
 
2014-01-13 06:31:08 PM  

Delawheredad: Wow, suing his own union means that now not only every fan will hate him every player will despise him as well.


They don't already?
 
2014-01-13 06:35:48 PM  
On the other side, after watching parts of the interview with Bosch, I have a very hard time believing a single thing Bosch says.  Don't get me wrong, still think it's pretty damning what I have seen regarding A-Rod, but I am sympathetic to the idea that Bosch is an incredibly unreliable witness.  If you haven't checked out the 60 minutes piece, give it a quick look.  Bosch meets every tell-tale sign of lying throughout.  The only time he looked halfway honest was when he said he would still be helping players do it if he hadn't gotten caught.

Still, A-Rod is a joke, and a juicer, so hey, both sides are equally bad.  /politics tab
 
2014-01-13 06:41:09 PM  

Delawheredad: Wow, suing his own union means that now not only every fan will hate him every player will despise him as well.


So, you're saying that nothing will change?
 
2014-01-13 06:46:12 PM  
Is there any way that we can make this an even bigger shiatshow?
 
2014-01-13 06:48:07 PM  
I would not be able to muster sympathy for A-Rod even if he were to fall into the subway and had his four limbs amputated...

He really needs to stop being a whiny biatch, not even most yankees fan believe him.
 
2014-01-13 06:50:03 PM  

lifeboat: grimlock1972: Hey Arod i don't think you understand what BInding means, I hope yout ignoring your lawyers on this, otherwise they are incompetent and should be fired.

[oi44.tinypic.com image 480x360]


Accursed typos !

/impotently shakes tiny fist of fury.
 
2014-01-13 06:50:33 PM  
What an epic pair of clownshoes.
 
2014-01-13 06:59:27 PM  
Just take your whatever hundreds of millions and take an hour doing a softball interview with Oprah and call it a career. I've got a better chance of getting into Cooperstown than he has and outside of saving an entire orphanage from a fire while sustaining 3rd degree burns over 80% of his body, he's never going to find redemption from the majority of the nation.
 
2014-01-13 07:01:57 PM  

FitzShivering: On the other side, after watching parts of the interview with Bosch, I have a very hard time believing a single thing Bosch says.  Don't get me wrong, still think it's pretty damning what I have seen regarding A-Rod, but I am sympathetic to the idea that Bosch is an incredibly unreliable witness.  If you haven't checked out the 60 minutes piece, give it a quick look.  Bosch meets every tell-tale sign of lying throughout.  The only time he looked halfway honest was when he said he would still be helping players do it if he hadn't gotten caught.

Still, A-Rod is a joke, and a juicer, so hey, both sides are equally bad.  /politics tab


He's saving his ass but he's more credible than aroid and nothing he has said has been a lie.
 
2014-01-13 07:04:35 PM  
Hope this works

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/01/14/sports/baseball/14arod -d ocs.html

Arbitration panel's decision begins at p. 44.
 
2014-01-13 07:07:15 PM  
I watched his supplier on 60 minutes last night. He thins he did nothing wrong as well.
 
2014-01-13 07:09:53 PM  
This whole thing is like the Floyd Landis investigation on steroids...

...oh wait, right...
 
2014-01-13 07:15:01 PM  

edmo: I watched his supplier on 60 minutes last night. He thins he did nothing wrong as well.


Except he admits he broke the law while saying he knew it was illegal but hey let's ignore facts while sucking aroid.
 
2014-01-13 07:35:03 PM  
I don't like A-Rod, but I don't see why they are trying to ban him for so long. Give him the standard 50 day suspension that was negotiated in the CBA.

I also echo the statement that the Bosch is unreliable as a witness expressed above.

This whole escapade stings of Selig grandstanding to secure his legacy and act like he didn't previously spend a lot of time ignoring PEDs in baseball.
 
2014-01-13 07:38:08 PM  
This guy is reaching George Costanzian levels of committing to the lie.
 
2014-01-13 07:47:06 PM  

AlHarris31: I don't like A-Rod, but I don't see why they are trying to ban him for so long. Give him the standard 50 day suspension that was negotiated in the CBA.

I also echo the statement that the Bosch is unreliable as a witness expressed above.

This whole escapade stings of Selig grandstanding to secure his legacy and act like he didn't previously spend a lot of time ignoring PEDs in baseball.


BECAUSE HE'S NOT BEING SUSPENDED FOR DRUGS, HE'S BEING SUSPENDED UNDER THE BEST INTEREST OF BASEBALL CLAUSE FOR TRYING TO IMPEDED THE INVESTIGATION....


GAWD
 
2014-01-13 08:01:36 PM  
 
2014-01-13 08:02:28 PM  

TrainingWheelsNeeded: This guy is reaching George Costanzian levels of committing to the lie.


No, even Costanza quit before he got this far in with a lie.
 
2014-01-13 08:25:00 PM  

grimlock1972: Hey Arod i don't think you understand what BInding means, I hope yout ignoring your lawyers on this, otherwise they are incompetent and should be fired.

Federal courts have time and again refused to over turn binding arbitration, including famously in the case which killed the infamous reserve clause.


He can still have the award set aside if there was something irregular with the arbitration, or if he makes out a case for bias.  But on the grounds he's using which is "they failed to protect me" - yeah, he's screwed.
 
2014-01-13 08:45:39 PM  

keypusher: Hope this works

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/01/14/sports/baseball/14arod -d ocs.html

Arbitration panel's decision begins at p. 44.


Thanks for that link. I just finished reading the whole thing. It also includes the secret arbitration decision.
 
2014-01-13 08:52:01 PM  
Once a Yankee, always a Yankee.
 
2014-01-13 08:53:07 PM  
Is this the Yankees punishment for the Yankees having several retiring players which were relatively pretty classy ?
 
2014-01-13 09:17:43 PM  
The only reason to do this is to try and force MLB into discovery and force them to renegotiate to avoid that. But I seriously doubt the case will get that far.
 
2014-01-13 09:38:58 PM  

flucto: Suing the union for not representing him adequately takes this to a level I hadn't previously dared hope for.


As I posted the other day, it is his best shot.

You get an arbitrator's decision thrown out by attacking the process. One avenue to do that is to show that both parties were colluding against you.
 
2014-01-13 09:44:16 PM  

dywed88: flucto: Suing the union for not representing him adequately takes this to a level I hadn't previously dared hope for.

As I posted the other day, it is his best shot.

You get an arbitrator's decision thrown out by attacking the process. One avenue to do that is to show that both parties were colluding against you.


Exactly. Like the fact that MLB ignored orders from the health department in order to obtain their evidence against him, and as a result tanked a criminal case against Biogenisis.
 
2014-01-13 09:52:20 PM  
I would like to express my deepest hope that the Yankees are bribing baseball to increase A-Rod's suspension, and that it eventually comes out.  That would make me smile like when the Grinch's heart grew three sizes.
 
2014-01-13 10:01:34 PM  

ongbok: dywed88: flucto: Suing the union for not representing him adequately takes this to a level I hadn't previously dared hope for.

As I posted the other day, it is his best shot.

You get an arbitrator's decision thrown out by attacking the process. One avenue to do that is to show that both parties were colluding against you.

Exactly. Like the fact that MLB ignored orders from the health department in order to obtain their evidence against him, and as a result tanked a criminal case against Biogenisis.


what law did they break? I'm gonna use the Zimmerman defense here, a directive from them is not a lawful order from a police officer.
 
2014-01-13 10:07:48 PM  

AlHarris31: I don't like A-Rod, but I don't see why they are trying to ban him for so long. Give him the standard 50 day suspension that was negotiated in the CBA.

I also echo the statement that the Bosch is unreliable as a witness expressed above.

This whole escapade stings of Selig grandstanding to secure his legacy and act like he didn't previously spend a lot of time ignoring PEDs in baseball.


Because aroid wound up trying to buy those documents to kill any evidence they had that he lied about using banned substances.

He was banned because he used and impeded an investigation, if this were the real world he would be in prison for destroying evidence.
 
2014-01-13 10:07:51 PM  

Dougie AXP: ongbok: dywed88: flucto: Suing the union for not representing him adequately takes this to a level I hadn't previously dared hope for.

As I posted the other day, it is his best shot.

You get an arbitrator's decision thrown out by attacking the process. One avenue to do that is to show that both parties were colluding against you.

Exactly. Like the fact that MLB ignored orders from the health department in order to obtain their evidence against him, and as a result tanked a criminal case against Biogenisis.

what law did they break? I'm gonna use the Zimmerman defense here, a directive from them is not a lawful order from a police officer.


They sank the Florida Department of Health case against Biogenisis by buying the evidence they used against ARod. You can say that that can be seen as obstruction of justice.
 
2014-01-13 10:16:34 PM  

ongbok: Dougie AXP: ongbok: dywed88: flucto: Suing the union for not representing him adequately takes this to a level I hadn't previously dared hope for.

As I posted the other day, it is his best shot.

You get an arbitrator's decision thrown out by attacking the process. One avenue to do that is to show that both parties were colluding against you.

Exactly. Like the fact that MLB ignored orders from the health department in order to obtain their evidence against him, and as a result tanked a criminal case against Biogenisis.

what law did they break? I'm gonna use the Zimmerman defense here, a directive from them is not a lawful order from a police officer.

They sank the Florida Department of Health case against Biogenisis by buying the evidence they used against ARod. You can say that that can be seen as obstruction of justice.


that's not an obstruction against arods case.
 
2014-01-13 10:17:58 PM  

ongbok: Exactly. Like the fact that MLB ignored orders from the health department in order to obtain their evidence against him, and as a result tanked a criminal case against Biogenisis.


And how does that impact the validity of the arbitration process? That in no way indicates that the Arbitrator or the PA were colluding with MLB.

If the league broke any laws, I hope that they get nailed. But that is up to the state of Florida and irrelevant to Rodriguez' case.
 
2014-01-13 10:26:56 PM  

dywed88: ongbok: Exactly. Like the fact that MLB ignored orders from the health department in order to obtain their evidence against him, and as a result tanked a criminal case against Biogenisis.

And how does that impact the validity of the arbitration process? That in no way indicates that the Arbitrator or the PA were colluding with MLB.

If the league broke any laws, I hope that they get nailed. But that is up to the state of Florida and irrelevant to Rodriguez' case.


What if the only evidence that they are using against him in the arbitration was illegally obtained? And what the PA and the arbitrator knew this and failed to take their required actions to prevent it from being used? Wouldn't that go to supporting his claims of collusion? That all seems to be the case here.
 
2014-01-13 10:32:08 PM  

ongbok: steamingpile: What I love is he's arguing they violated his confidentiality when he was trying to buy documents to get out of being punished.

To be fair MLB were also trying to buy those documents, and did it against orders from the Florida Department of Health because they were pursuing a criminal case against Biogenisis and MLB buying those documents would render them inadmissible in court.


And exactly how did that violate his confidentiality when he was trying to buy those same documents?

Maybe it only did so in the fact it stopped him from privately buying evidence against him after the MLB offered to head off other investigations against the doctor. Still doesn't change the fact aroid acted against baseball to subvert their punishment of him.

Even if he does think they acted illegally or he will wind up like barroid where no team will touch him when his contract runs out.
 
2014-01-13 10:32:36 PM  
They should have banned him for life having anything to do with baseball, scraped his name off anything, burned his uniforms, edit him out of every book and took the money back. Might as well banish him from the union too.
 
2014-01-13 10:32:49 PM  

Dougie AXP: ongbok: dywed88: flucto: Suing the union for not representing him adequately takes this to a level I hadn't previously dared hope for.

As I posted the other day, it is his best shot.

You get an arbitrator's decision thrown out by attacking the process. One avenue to do that is to show that both parties were colluding against you.

Exactly. Like the fact that MLB ignored orders from the health department in order to obtain their evidence against him, and as a result tanked a criminal case against Biogenisis.

what law did they break? I'm gonna use the Zimmerman defense here, a directive from them is not a lawful order from a police officer.


The documents were stolen from a vehicle, so you have receiving stolen property.  The MLB investigators moved them out of the state, so add interstate transport of stolen property.  The fact MLB paid over $200K makes it grand theft so both of those are felonies. Commission of a felony that hinders prosecution in FL is another felony.  I have three felonies by an organization, that's RICO.  Now, that I can file a RICO indictment, that allows me to file for civil forfeiture.  MLB doesn't have a lot of assets in FL but their members sure do and under the RICO statutes those are fair game, too.  File it during spring training when 13 out of state teams have millions of dollars of assets in state in case MLB decides to fight it.  Then settle for the Marlins renegotiating their stadium lease to cover the bond payments and legal fees.

That's my plan for becoming Governor and then Senator from FL.

/Ok, for someone else becoming those things because once I passed the bar there I left and have not looked back.
//Too bad FL changed their eminent domain laws after Kelo, because I could make a great better use of the property economic development argument for giving the lease to the Rays.
 
2014-01-13 10:37:46 PM  

scandalrag: Dougie AXP: ongbok: dywed88: flucto: Suing the union for not representing him adequately takes this to a level I hadn't previously dared hope for.

As I posted the other day, it is his best shot.

You get an arbitrator's decision thrown out by attacking the process. One avenue to do that is to show that both parties were colluding against you.

Exactly. Like the fact that MLB ignored orders from the health department in order to obtain their evidence against him, and as a result tanked a criminal case against Biogenisis.

what law did they break? I'm gonna use the Zimmerman defense here, a directive from them is not a lawful order from a police officer.

The documents were stolen from a vehicle, so you have receiving stolen property.  The MLB investigators moved them out of the state, so add interstate transport of stolen property.  The fact MLB paid over $200K makes it grand theft so both of those are felonies. Commission of a felony that hinders prosecution in FL is another felony.  I have three felonies by an organization, that's RICO.  Now, that I can file a RICO indictment, that allows me to file for civil forfeiture.  MLB doesn't have a lot of assets in FL but their members sure do and under the RICO statutes those are fair game, too.  File it during spring training when 13 out of state teams have millions of dollars of assets in state in case MLB decides to fight it.  Then settle for the Marlins renegotiating their stadium lease to cover the bond payments and legal fees.

That's my plan for becoming Governor and then Senator from FL.

/Ok, for someone else becoming those things because once I passed the bar there I left and have not looked back.
//Too bad FL changed their eminent domain laws after Kelo, because I could make a great better use of the property economic development argument for giving the lease to the Rays.


and how does any of that affect the arbitration process?

again, none of what you stated affects ARod. Legally agreed to, binding arbitration is hardly ever (hell I'm having trouble finding anything) overturned.

This isn't going anywhere. ARod will never play baseball again.
 
2014-01-13 10:43:42 PM  

Dougie AXP: AlHarris31: I don't like A-Rod, but I don't see why they are trying to ban him for so long. Give him the standard 50 day suspension that was negotiated in the CBA.

I also echo the statement that the Bosch is unreliable as a witness expressed above.

This whole escapade stings of Selig grandstanding to secure his legacy and act like he didn't previously spend a lot of time ignoring PEDs in baseball.

BECAUSE HE'S NOT BEING SUSPENDED FOR DRUGS, HE'S BEING SUSPENDED UNDER THE BEST INTEREST OF BASEBALL CLAUSE FOR TRYING TO IMPEDED THE INVESTIGATION....


GAWD


Not according to the arbitrator.  If you had read the decision (or even a review of the decision), A-Rod was suspended 50 games each for three first-time violations of the JDA and a further 12 games for the obstruction charges.  This article makes a pretty good case for why the arbitrator's decision was questionable.  Basically, he bypassed the 50/100/lifetime portion of the punishment to apply a separate punishment when A-Rod's situation probably should have applied under the 50/100/lifetime punishment.  The author argues that the most appropriate punishment for drug use were either 50 games or a lifetime ban but that the 150 was basically pulled out of thin air.  It's iffy but not so bad that it's going to result in a judge overturning the decision.
 
2014-01-13 10:51:14 PM  

rugman11: Dougie AXP: AlHarris31: I don't like A-Rod, but I don't see why they are trying to ban him for so long. Give him the standard 50 day suspension that was negotiated in the CBA.

I also echo the statement that the Bosch is unreliable as a witness expressed above.

This whole escapade stings of Selig grandstanding to secure his legacy and act like he didn't previously spend a lot of time ignoring PEDs in baseball.

BECAUSE HE'S NOT BEING SUSPENDED FOR DRUGS, HE'S BEING SUSPENDED UNDER THE BEST INTEREST OF BASEBALL CLAUSE FOR TRYING TO IMPEDED THE INVESTIGATION....


GAWD

Not according to the arbitrator.  If you had read the decision (or even a review of the decision), A-Rod was suspended 50 games each for three first-time violations of the JDA and a further 12 games for the obstruction charges.  This article makes a pretty good case for why the arbitrator's decision was questionable.  Basically, he bypassed the 50/100/lifetime portion of the punishment to apply a separate punishment when A-Rod's situation probably should have applied under the 50/100/lifetime punishment.  The author argues that the most appropriate punishment for drug use were either 50 games or a lifetime ban but that the 150 was basically pulled out of thin air.  It's iffy but not so bad that it's going to result in a judge overturning the decision.


Ok, missed that part.

However, arbitraitors are given latitude to adjust settled rules (hence why they can come up with salary numbers out of thin air when a player and team go to arbitration) so I still don't think that merits a federal case.
 
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