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(Christian Science Monitor)   If you are a US expat, something you REALLY don't want to hear from your local embassy is: things are likely about to get really bad in this country, we strongly suggest you stockpile food and cash right now   (csmonitor.com) divider line 88
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2014-01-13 08:17:35 PM  

DougTaupe: One of my coworkers just left to visit last week and disappeared, no kidding. We are worried about him; he hasn't checked in and no one (not even his family) have heard from him. It was all Hangover 2 jokes the first day, but now 3 days later all the joking has stopped. I had no idea this was happening. I think I probably won't share this link with anyone.

/Bangkok has him


Not sure if want update.
 
2014-01-13 08:24:20 PM  
Reason to worry: Demonstrators, who met no resistance from police,

The cops aren't stopping them. So either a) the government is planning on bringing in the military to do a Tiananmen-style crackdown; or b) the government is imploding from within and NOBODY is going to stop them.

Either way it will be bad.
 
2014-01-13 08:24:32 PM  

DougTaupe: BafflerMeal: DougTaupe: One of my coworkers just left to visit last week and disappeared, no kidding. We are worried about him; he hasn't checked in and no one (not even his family) have heard from him.

Was anyone supposed to hear from him?  It's only been three days...

We are a 100% remote outfit. We all work from home or on the road, so this type of travel is typical and expected. He was scheduled as on the clock all three days, and it really isn't like him not to check in. Would be like a your boss no-call/no-showing for 3 days straight; you would start to wonder. We are in the middle of a huge project as well, one that he was instrumental on. Something isn't right.

/guess who got assigned all his tasks



Hrm.  Yeah that's a little different.  Didn't read it as a business trip.  I haven't looked but are there any outages there for inet access?  I was cut off due to a Pacific underwater earthquake cutting inet cables one time.  Took days for everything to re-route through Australia.
 
2014-01-13 08:26:49 PM  
Doesn't Thailand have a coup or civil war every few years?  They make a lot of noise, overthrow the current regime and leave the king head of state, right?

Really of all the countries to end up in in the middle of a civil war, Thailand doesn't seem like a bad place.
 
2014-01-13 08:27:15 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Reason to worry: Demonstrators, who met no resistance from police,

The cops aren't stopping them. So either a) the government is planning on bringing in the military to do a Tiananmen-style crackdown; or b) the government is imploding from within and NOBODY is going to stop them.

Either way it will be bad.



No.  You're wrong on both counts.

The Thai don't usually have the US 'knock out teeth' mentality.  Generally speaking most of their protests have a low physical violence level both governmental and protestor alike.  The US could learn a thing or two from them.
 
2014-01-13 08:32:23 PM  

DougTaupe: One of my coworkers just left to visit last week and disappeared, no kidding. We are worried about him; he hasn't checked in and no one (not even his family) have heard from him. It was all Hangover 2 jokes the first day, but now 3 days later all the joking has stopped. I had no idea this was happening. I think I probably won't share this link with anyone.

/Bangkok has him


He's fine, I literally just left Bangkok, and am in Phnom Phen now,and the news makes it sound Way worse than it is.
 
2014-01-13 08:34:37 PM  
"Tens of thousands of antigovernment protesters occupied parts of central Bangkok on Monday, ratcheting up a two-month agitation to force the resignation of Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra."

I can't speak for the whole country but that crowd in the pic in the article looked pretty ratchet.
 
2014-01-13 08:34:38 PM  
Sounds like there are a lot of americans collecting pedomiles in Thailand
 
2014-01-13 08:49:36 PM  

mamoru: I live in Bangkok, so I'm really getting a kick...

Yeah, no need to hoard food and stuff. Most of the city is relatively unaffected (the worst effect I've felt from the Shutdown so far is bus traffic was a bit wonky yesterday as many of the buses I use either originate in or have routes through the affected roads) and it's pretty much business as usual. Unless you happen to live in a protest area and have the IQ of a school administrator, getting food is not going to be a problem.

I wonder if they issued similar warnings when the city was flooding a couple years ago. That was a situation where getting supplies in certain areas could be extremely difficult.

This, so far, has been mostly calm.

/don't actually know too many details about the protests, but if you want up to date info, follow @RichardBarrow on Twitter
//get the feeling these are just like the last protests in the sense of many many people knowing that they don't want the current government, but don't really seem to have any idea what they do want or any real plan to solve things
///I may very well be wrong though


Is it just me, or does it seem like there is always some sort of coup or attempted coup in Thailand? I was worried about my mom a few years ago (when she was living in Thailand). Her response was just "meh".

/I'd like to retire there. Family has some property in Phuket. I'm sure I could live like a queen on a very small budget.
 
2014-01-13 09:00:29 PM  
This situation could get very confusing if the rebel alliance starts using Thai fighters
 
2014-01-13 09:12:30 PM  

DougTaupe: One of my coworkers just left to visit last week and disappeared, no kidding. We are worried about him; he hasn't checked in and no one (not even his family) have heard from him. It was all Hangover 2 jokes the first day, but now 3 days later all the joking has stopped. I had no idea this was happening. I think I probably won't share this link with anyone.

/Bangkok has him


He's probably setup in the Somerset Maugham suite..
 
2014-01-13 09:23:13 PM  

DougTaupe: One of my coworkers just left to visit last week and disappeared, no kidding. We are worried about him; he hasn't checked in and no one (not even his family) have heard from him. It was all Hangover 2 jokes the first day, but now 3 days later all the joking has stopped. I had no idea this was happening. I think I probably won't share this link with anyone.

/Bangkok has him


He probably don't want you to know that he's shagging asian kids
 
2014-01-13 09:24:21 PM  
Won't somebody please think of the ping pong balls!?
 
2014-01-13 09:27:46 PM  

See My Az Go: Is it just me, or does it seem like there is always some sort of coup or attempted coup in Thailand? I was worried about my mom a few years ago (when she was living in Thailand). Her response was just "meh".


Pretty much. Lately, it's been like "Protests? Must be a day ending with -y..."
 
2014-01-13 09:41:52 PM  
I know someone personally who retired to Thailand. Not sure if he's in Bangkok, although I'm 99% sure that's why he went there. Underage kok to be specific.
 
2014-01-13 09:42:09 PM  

Magorn: if the rebel alliance starts using Thai fighters


crow202.org

...we'll counter with Siamese cats! No one will expect that! Ha ha! Ha ha! Ha ha! Ouch.

/stay safe and sane, all you folks out there in Thailand....
 
2014-01-13 09:58:43 PM  

BafflerMeal: Gyrfalcon: Reason to worry: Demonstrators, who met no resistance from police,

The cops aren't stopping them. So either a) the government is planning on bringing in the military to do a Tiananmen-style crackdown; or b) the government is imploding from within and NOBODY is going to stop them.

Either way it will be bad.


No.  You're wrong on both counts.

The Thai don't usually have the US 'knock out teeth' mentality.  Generally speaking most of their protests have a low physical violence level both governmental and protestor alike.  The US could learn a thing or two from them.


It does seem like a much better way to handle it.  So a few roads are blocked.  If you don't want to participate, go around.  No need for government violence to open things back up immediately.
 
2014-01-13 10:03:15 PM  
Uhh, pretty much the standard thing here. We average a coup every 2-3 years if you look back on Thai history.
A lot tamer up here in Chiang Mai, but I will be in Bangkok this weekend to see friends.

The drive by's have begun and the fire/pipe bombing will probably start in a few days, good times!
They're all morans if you ask me.
 
2014-01-13 10:06:42 PM  

See My Az Go: mamoru: I live in Bangkok, so I'm really getting a kick...

Yeah, no need to hoard food and stuff. Most of the city is relatively unaffected (the worst effect I've felt from the Shutdown so far is bus traffic was a bit wonky yesterday as many of the buses I use either originate in or have routes through the affected roads) and it's pretty much business as usual. Unless you happen to live in a protest area and have the IQ of a school administrator, getting food is not going to be a problem.

I wonder if they issued similar warnings when the city was flooding a couple years ago. That was a situation where getting supplies in certain areas could be extremely difficult.

This, so far, has been mostly calm.

/don't actually know too many details about the protests, but if you want up to date info, follow @RichardBarrow on Twitter
//get the feeling these are just like the last protests in the sense of many many people knowing that they don't want the current government, but don't really seem to have any idea what they do want or any real plan to solve things
///I may very well be wrong though

Is it just me, or does it seem like there is always some sort of coup or attempted coup in Thailand? I was worried about my mom a few years ago (when she was living in Thailand). Her response was just "meh".

/I'd like to retire there. Family has some property in Phuket. I'm sure I could live like a queen on a very small budget.


Phuket, don't worry about the conflict.

/sorry, had to.
 
2014-01-13 10:07:47 PM  
If you are a us expat, you are likely a douche.

/was an expat
//was kind of a douche
 
2014-01-13 10:18:24 PM  
Found the numbers, 11 coups and 7 failed attempts since 1932.
Citatation:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/12/03/thailand - has-had-more-coups-than-any-other-country-this-is-why/

I got some time off in 2006 during the last coup. Drove around and watched kids climb on tanks and the soldiers let the kids hold the guns and take photos.
 
2014-01-13 10:34:48 PM  

bigbobowski: this is really going to eat into the sex-tourism trade.
why else would anyone go to that sh*t hole?


Yes. Stay away from Thailand and Bangkok. Nothing there but sex-tourism trade. That says way more about you then you realize. A country of 70million with awesome beaches, temples, shopping, trekking, personalities, food, and the only thing you know about is sex-tourism. I suggest that the sh*t hole is what you use to think with.
 
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2014-01-13 11:21:45 PM  
"If you are a US expat, something you REALLY don't want to hear from your local embassy is: things are likely about to get really bad in this country, we strongly suggest you stockpile food and cash right now"

Oddly enough, "we strongly suggest you stockpile food and cash right now ," is why most US expats are expats.

The Boot-Strap Expat
http://7thpillar.wordpress.com/
 
2014-01-13 11:50:56 PM  

DougTaupe: One of my coworkers just left to visit last week and disappeared, no kidding. We are worried about him; he hasn't checked in and no one (not even his family) have heard from him. It was all Hangover 2 jokes the first day, but now 3 days later all the joking has stopped. I had no idea this was happening. I think I probably won't share this link with anyone.

/Bangkok has him


He wasn't booked into the David Carradine suite by any chance, was he?
 
2014-01-13 11:51:25 PM  
Send lawyers, guns and money.
The shiat has hit the fan.
 
2014-01-14 12:03:58 AM  
My brother is there right now for a vacation. I was very worried for about 3 seconds after reading this thinking "oh goodness, he hasn't called at all since he's been there, maybe he died." Then I remembered we are both extremely antisocial and we haven't actually spoken on the phone in years.
 
2014-01-14 12:14:38 AM  
2nd highest road deaths in the world.
Highest rate of alcoholism in SE Asia
High rate of drunk drivers
Little to no driving education
A propensity to avoid any sort of consequences and run from a scene of a crash
A public transport system that constantly derails and others that end in fiery crashes


But we're afraid of traveling because certain sections of a city are gridlocked. Sections where the locals and police tell tourists not to go and even assist in turning them away from the dangerous areas.
 
2014-01-14 12:26:08 AM  
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Well I'm putting all my money into canned food and shotguns...
 
2014-01-14 01:33:46 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Reason to worry: Demonstrators, who met no resistance from police,

The cops aren't stopping them. So either a) the government is planning on bringing in the military to do a Tiananmen-style crackdown; or b) the government is imploding from within and NOBODY is going to stop them.

Either way it will be bad.


The cops aren't cracking down for two reasons... One, a lot of the cops are on the protesters' side, and two, if the military picks a side, it will also be with the protesters, so the Yingluck Shinawatra government is intentionally NOT cracking down, out of fear that if things turn too violent, the military will just step in and say, "Ok, you're done.  Time for a new government."

The current ruling populist party in Thailand gets most of it's votes from the poorer, rural parts of the country.  The founder of this populist movement was Thaksin Shinawatra, a wealthy businessman, and also the current prime minister's brother.  Thaksin himself was prime minister of Thailand from 2001 until 2006, when he was forced into exile by a coup, and charged with corruption and abuse of power.  The populist movement has remained strong in the rural areas, though, and Thaksin's sister, Yingluck, is now the current prime minister.  The opposition, which is mainly made up of the middle class and wealthy Thais, are opposed to the ruling party's populist policies, and is convinced that Thaksin is secretly ruling the party from exile.  The current protests were triggered when the ruling party tried to introduce a bill that would have allowed Thaksin to return from exile without facing corruption charges.  The powerbase of the opposition is arguably Bangkok itself, so for the most part the protesters have the home field advantage.  Yingluck has called for new elections to be held on Feb. 2nd, but as of right now the opposition has said it will boycott these elections.  The opposition instead has called for Yingluck and her cabinet to resign, and they have called for election and constitutional reforms prior to any new elections.

So far the military has been watching from the sidelines, however since it was only a little over 7 years ago that the military staged a coup against her brother, Yingluck is likely afraid of another coup if she takes too hardline of stance against the protesters.  The king has also not weighed in.  Technically he is just a figurehead, but he holds MASSIVE influence with the Thai populous, and in the past he has been able to stop coups dead in their tracks just by making a speech.  That being said, the king RARELY if ever takes a political stance in Thailand, and the only way he would get publicly involved in the current dispute is if things get significantly more messy.
 
2014-01-14 02:29:06 AM  

Polyron: DougTaupe: One of my coworkers just left to visit last week and disappeared, no kidding. We are worried about him; he hasn't checked in and no one (not even his family) have heard from him. It was all Hangover 2 jokes the first day, but now 3 days later all the joking has stopped. I had no idea this was happening. I think I probably won't share this link with anyone.

/Bangkok has him

He probably don't want you to know that he's shagging asian kids


This.
 
2014-01-14 02:46:11 AM  

BlissKitchen: Not true, I was in Bangkok two weeks ago. I got several emails from the embassy advising me to take precautions up to and including leaving.


I'd consider an Email list of everybody who's bothered to check into the US Embassy to let them know that they're staying in the area to be both impersonal and 'US Media'.

It sounds about like the advice given for major snowstorms that can shut an area down for a bit.

Gyrfalcon: The cops aren't stopping them. So either a) the government is planning on bringing in the military to do a Tiananmen-style crackdown; or b) the government is imploding from within and NOBODY is going to stop them.


Or C: They're waiting for the heat to die down/lose steam.  Sometimes confronting a movement early on helps energize it.  A back room deal with the organizers might work better.
 
2014-01-14 03:07:22 AM  

positronica: words


Thank you for that. This is a pretty clear and rather fair assessment of the situation. :)
 
2014-01-14 05:44:50 AM  
It has been said before but the US government gives a fark less about expats.....I live in a foreign country and the only scam they are interested in is running their "side" businesses.   Shiat, needed a passport...you cannot even make an appointment with them or call them or email them.....gotta use a "private exclusive service"   for a fee of course.......Other expats from other countries are like, I just walk into the embassy and 2 hours later got my new passport........US Embassies are a scam......
 
2014-01-14 08:37:28 AM  
What is the U.S. equivalent of "urban elites?" (From TFA)  People who shop at Whole Foods?
 
2014-01-14 09:00:32 AM  

SoupJohnB: What is the U.S. equivalent of "urban elites?" (From TFA)  People who shop at Whole Foods?


Anyone with a college degree.  Anyone with a professional or para-professional job.

The countryside of Thailand is still basically smallholding subsistence farmers.
 
2014-01-14 09:16:41 AM  
Yeah, yeah, stockpile food and water; I get this. The real question is, how do you handle the situation where you feel the devil walking next to you?
 
2014-01-14 09:43:56 AM  

FrancoFile: SoupJohnB: What is the U.S. equivalent of "urban elites?" (From TFA)  People who shop at Whole Foods?

Anyone with a college degree.  Anyone with a professional or para-professional job.

The countryside of Thailand is still basically smallholding subsistence farmers.


So....they're like people who shop at Whole Foods?

/understand now - thx
 
2014-01-14 11:02:31 AM  

doglover: Do you know what I heard from the Tokyo embassy after the big 2011 earthquake?

Nothing. I'm sure statements were released, but it's not like the embassy actually calls you or anything. They release these statements in the US media, only.

That or they wanted me irradiated for some kind of weird international Illuminati style experiment.


I think they'll mainly try to determine if you survived natural disasters. Determine your position if they think they'll need evacuate you.

At least, that's how my countries embassies work.

Calling you to inform you that  there's a bazzillion people in the streets of Bangkok for like 1 months straight would be kinda pointless. Because, yeah, what new information would they be conveying to you?


Oh and travel alerts, ie. this country is considered less/unsafe. But they can't call every American, they can make statements, or simply inform airline companies/travel agencies of this countries new status of a place to stay the fark out of.
 
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