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(Christian Science Monitor)   Despite stumbling around on the ice during the Olympic trials like Dennis Rodman after a 3-day NK bender, pretty blond girl somehow still makes the US Figure-Skating Team. How will the sport's integrity ever survive this...yeah, don't care either   (csmonitor.com) divider line 77
    More: Fail, Figure skating at the Olympic Games, Lysacek, Michelle Kwan, figure skating, Olympic Dreams, Olympic medals, Mirai Nagasu, integrity  
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2014-01-13 04:59:04 PM
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And before someone flips their lid...she is 22.
 
2014-01-13 05:02:33 PM
white privilege
 
2014-01-13 05:03:55 PM
Sport?  Figure skating isn't a sport, subby.

/Getcha popcorn ready!
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 05:07:31 PM
Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.
 
2014-01-13 05:07:48 PM
Her only shot at winning now is if the Olympics allow some sort of "sport" where judges arbitrarily select a "winner".
 
2014-01-13 05:09:37 PM
She looks like Amy Adams.
 
2014-01-13 05:13:33 PM
Well that stinks on ice.

She kinda has prominent nostrils. Is there such a thing as a butternose?
 
2014-01-13 05:13:55 PM

StRalphTheLiar: Her only shot at winning now is if the Olympics allow some sort of "sport" where judges arbitrarily select a "winner".


So, any of the non-race events, then?
 
2014-01-13 05:14:08 PM

Beerguy: [www.eonline.com image 634x1024]
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[www.trbimg.com image 600x570]

And before someone flips their lid...she is 22.


TooOld.jpg
 
2014-01-13 05:20:44 PM
Figure skating is faker than pro wrasslin.
 
2014-01-13 05:22:39 PM

IlGreven: StRalphTheLiar: Her only shot at winning now is if the Olympics allow some sort of "sport" where judges arbitrarily select a "winner".

So, any of the non-race events, then?


Hockey and curling aren't race events, and they have actual scores.
 
2014-01-13 05:23:33 PM

Nabb1: Figure skating is faker than pro wrasslin.


and almost as gay.

/nttawwt
 
2014-01-13 05:24:41 PM

MrBallou: Well that stinks on ice.

She kinda has prominent nostrils. Is there such a thing as a butternose?


There is now. Consider the term coined, Sir. Which makes me think, I bet she could stuff a roll of quarters up them things!
 
2014-01-13 05:32:28 PM

jbc: Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.


Hey, soccer has objective scoring, don't go lumping it in with those others.

/Yes, I know, there's often a lack of evidence of said scoring
 
2014-01-13 05:34:36 PM

Nabb1: Figure skating is faker than pro wrasslin.


We found Surya Bonaly's Fark account.

/WAY too obscure, sorry.
 
2014-01-13 05:37:31 PM

4NTLRZ: MrBallou: Well that stinks on ice.

She kinda has prominent nostrils. Is there such a thing as a butternose?

There is now. Consider the term coined, Sir. Which makes me think, I bet she could stuff a roll of quarters up them things!


IseeWhatYouDidThere.jpg
 
2014-01-13 05:39:48 PM

Ivo Shandor: IlGreven: StRalphTheLiar: Her only shot at winning now is if the Olympics allow some sort of "sport" where judges arbitrarily select a "winner".

So, any of the non-race events, then?

Hockey and curling aren't race events, and they have actual scores.


Okay, any of the non-racing, non team sport events, then.
 
2014-01-13 05:40:02 PM

IlGreven: StRalphTheLiar: Her only shot at winning now is if the Olympics allow some sort of "sport" where judges arbitrarily select a "winner".

So, any of the non-race events, then?


she did beat the oriental to make the team.
 
2014-01-13 05:40:06 PM

jbc: Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.


Golf doesn't have your prerequisite subjective scoring but it isn't a sport, either.  And I think the point here is that we'd all like to see Ashley Wagner with her feet over her head rather than Phil Mickelson.
 
2014-01-13 05:41:31 PM

JayCab: jbc: Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.

Hey, soccer has objective scoring, don't go lumping it in with those others.

/Yes, I know, there's often a lack of evidence of said scoring


No, no, pool diving, not grass diving.

/[thatsthejoke.jpg]
 
2014-01-13 05:41:50 PM
 
2014-01-13 05:45:25 PM

IlGreven: Ivo Shandor: IlGreven: StRalphTheLiar: Her only shot at winning now is if the Olympics allow some sort of "sport" where judges arbitrarily select a "winner".

So, any of the non-race events, then?

Hockey and curling aren't race events, and they have actual scores.

Okay, any of the non-racing, non team sport events, then.


Throwing stuff for distance is pretty measurable, as are target shooting and seeing who can stab the other guy 5 times first.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 05:48:53 PM

Nana's Vibrator: jbc: Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.

Golf doesn't have your prerequisite subjective scoring but it isn't a sport, either.  And I think the point here is that we'd all like to see Ashley Wagner with her feet over her head rather than Phil Mickelson.


The list, obviously, was not exhaustive. Did you really think I consider spelling bees and Hungry Hungry Hippos to be sports?

Speaking of Hungry Hungry Hippos, when the only interesting thing to ever happen in the history of your competition is to have a redneck competitor's posse whack a beaver-toothed competitor across the knee WWE-style, it's time to shut it down.
 
2014-01-13 05:58:29 PM

Beerguy: [www.eonline.com image 634x1024]
[img004.lazygirls.info image 480x640]
[www.trbimg.com image 600x570]

And before someone flips their lid...she is 22.


niiiice
 
2014-01-13 06:08:50 PM

jbc: Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.


2sport
 noun
: a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other
 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sport

Gymnastics and diving certainly count. And if you don't think gymnastics is physical, I invite you to try it sometime.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 06:12:29 PM

the_vicious_fez: jbc: Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.

2sport
 noun
: a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other
 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sport

Gymnastics and diving certainly count. And if you don't think gymnastics is physical, I invite you to try it sometime.


Congrats. You've just (unsuccessfully) argued that Tag and Pin the Tail on the Donkey are sports.
 
2014-01-13 06:14:25 PM

the_vicious_fez: Gymnastics and diving certainly count. And if you don't think gymnastics is physical, I invite you to try it sometime.


We aren't questioning the physical skill required, but rather the lack of objective scoring.
 
2014-01-13 06:20:02 PM

jbc: the_vicious_fez: jbc: Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.

2sport
 noun
: a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other
 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sport

Gymnastics and diving certainly count. And if you don't think gymnastics is physical, I invite you to try it sometime.

Congrats. You've just (unsuccessfully) argued that Tag and Pin the Tail on the Donkey are sports.


Not me. Merriam Webster.

ShawnDoc: the_vicious_fez: Gymnastics and diving certainly count. And if you don't think gymnastics is physical, I invite you to try it sometime.

We aren't questioning the physical skill required, but rather the lack of objective scoring.


The scoring in gymnastics, diving, figure skating, aerial skiing and any number of other similar pursuits are far more objective than most people think. Yes, there's an "artistic" or execution component, but it's much more consistent and predictable than people like to admit. I'd liken it to no-calls in football. The officials are allowed a certain amount of discretion in their duties. The only difference is in how they exercise it.
 
2014-01-13 06:26:06 PM
That'll teach that 3rd place skater from being "Asian" American instead of Real American.

Seriously though, it is probably more likely a money thing/they already shot the 8pm television 20 minute fluff piece and didn't want to film another one for the pretaped figure skating lead in
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 06:35:28 PM

the_vicious_fez: jbc: the_vicious_fez: jbc: Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.

2sport
 noun
: a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other
 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sport

Gymnastics and diving certainly count. And if you don't think gymnastics is physical, I invite you to try it sometime.

Congrats. You've just (unsuccessfully) argued that Tag and Pin the Tail on the Donkey are sports.

Not me. Merriam Webster.

ShawnDoc: the_vicious_fez: Gymnastics and diving certainly count. And if you don't think gymnastics is physical, I invite you to try it sometime.

We aren't questioning the physical skill required, but rather the lack of objective scoring.

The scoring in gymnastics, diving, figure skating, aerial skiing and any number of other similar pursuits are far more objective than most people think. Yes, there's an "artistic" or execution component, but it's much more consistent and predictable than people like to admit. I'd liken it to no-calls in football. The officials are allowed a certain amount of discretion in their duties. The only difference is in how they exercise it.


But it's a 5 (or 10 or 15) yard penalty or it's not. You don't have the referee saying it's a 6 yard penalty and the line judge saying it's 4.3 yards and the back judge saying 3, then tossing out two and averaging the rest. That would be damn ridiculous.

Like figure skating.
 
2014-01-13 06:37:49 PM
Meh, the girl got in because she had a better chance for a medal, based upon her past performances. Plus she's hot, which doesn't hurt.
 
2014-01-13 06:48:08 PM
jbc:

But it's a 5 (or 10 or 15) yard penalty or it's not. You don't have the referee saying it's a 6 yard penalty and the line judge saying it's 4.3 yards and the back judge saying 3, then tossing out two and averaging the rest. That would be damn ridiculous.

Like figure skating.


That's a poor analogy because the penalties, in gymnastics at least, are consistent. Each trick is worth so many points when done perfectly, and various flaws (bent knees when they should be straight, not sticking a landing, and so on) beget specific deductions. That's all codified.

It's more like what the line judges have to do when it's 4th and inches and the QB is going to try to sneak it and you end up with a pile of bodies and no clear view of the ball in relation to the line of scrimmage. I don't know if there are multiple line judges and they confer, or if there's just one and he guesses, or what. Also, when there are multiple fouls on a play and it's down to all the officials to figure out who did what first and how the penalties offset. It's not just one guy out there figuring it out. It's a group of people who all saw different things trying to agree on what happened.

There's a human element in all refereed and/or judged sports. There's an uncertainty factor no matter what. Human judgement and human error play a part.

/Still can't wait for Selig to retire.
 
2014-01-13 06:50:56 PM

Crewmannumber6: She looks like Amy Adams.


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jbc [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 06:57:05 PM

the_vicious_fez: jbc:

But it's a 5 (or 10 or 15) yard penalty or it's not. You don't have the referee saying it's a 6 yard penalty and the line judge saying it's 4.3 yards and the back judge saying 3, then tossing out two and averaging the rest. That would be damn ridiculous.

Like figure skating.

That's a poor analogy because the penalties, in gymnastics at least, are consistent. Each trick is worth so many points when done perfectly, and various flaws (bent knees when they should be straight, not sticking a landing, and so on) beget specific deductions. That's all codified.

It's more like what the line judges have to do when it's 4th and inches and the QB is going to try to sneak it and you end up with a pile of bodies and no clear view of the ball in relation to the line of scrimmage. I don't know if there are multiple line judges and they confer, or if there's just one and he guesses, or what. Also, when there are multiple fouls on a play and it's down to all the officials to figure out who did what first and how the penalties offset. It's not just one guy out there figuring it out. It's a group of people who all saw different things trying to agree on what happened.

There's a human element in all refereed and/or judged sports. There's an uncertainty factor no matter what. Human judgement and human error play a part.

/Still can't wait for Selig to retire.


Yes, but in real sports, once the decision has been made, every single person in the building knows exactly what the score is. The scoring is not subjective there. You don't sit there and wait for the official to make up a number, because everyone agrees on the number.
 
2014-01-13 07:02:10 PM
jbc:

Yes, but in real sports, once the decision has been made, every single person in the building knows exactly what the score is. The scoring is not subjective there. You don't sit there and wait for the official to make up a number, because everyone agrees on the number.

At this point, I can't tell if you're trolling or not. The number isn't made up. It turns out, however, that when you pack 30 individual skills into 90 seconds and the judges have to decide whether you executed each one and what the penalties *per skill* are, the process is not instantaneous. That doesn't mean the number is "made up."

Also, "the sports you grew up with" != "real sports", as the dictionary will tell you. Just because there are other scoring systems you're not comfortable with, doesn't mean the world revolves around you.
 
2014-01-13 07:12:17 PM
Integrity? Judging in that sport has always been a soap opera.
 
2014-01-13 07:14:04 PM
Hey!  We could apply this to all sports!  For instance, the Steelers should really have been given a playoff berth over the Chargers because let's face it, over the last decade they have been consistently better (with three Super Bowls) and people like them more.  Plus the Chargers have blown their previous chances.

This is fun!
 
2014-01-13 07:15:41 PM

the_vicious_fez: The number isn't made up. It turns out, however, that when you pack 30 individual skills into 90 seconds and the judges have to decide whether you executed each one and what the penalties *per skill* are, the process is not instantaneous. That doesn't mean the number is "made up."

Also, "the sports you grew up with" != "real sports", as the dictionary will tell you. Just because there are other scoring systems you're not comfortable with, doesn't mean the world revolves around you.


Only in figure skating and gymnastics can you get commentators saying things like "That performance was better than X score.  I can't believe he's ranked lower than player Y"  A football field goal is worth 3 points.  A goal in soccer or hockey is worth 1.  A completed jump in skating is worth whatever a bunch of judges decide it is.  It's why I will only, and grudgingly at that, watch the medalists exhibition skate.  What they do is incredible and takes great skill.  How they're scored is ridiculous.  Add in the history of corruption, collusion, and politics and you've got a No Sale for me.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 07:16:17 PM

the_vicious_fez: jbc:

Yes, but in real sports, once the decision has been made, every single person in the building knows exactly what the score is. The scoring is not subjective there. You don't sit there and wait for the official to make up a number, because everyone agrees on the number.

At this point, I can't tell if you're trolling or not. The number isn't made up. It turns out, however, that when you pack 30 individual skills into 90 seconds and the judges have to decide whether you executed each one and what the penalties *per skill* are, the process is not instantaneous. That doesn't mean the number is "made up."

Also, "the sports you grew up with" != "real sports", as the dictionary will tell you. Just because there are other scoring systems you're not comfortable with, doesn't mean the world revolves around you.


If that we're true, they could go to instant replay. They don't because they need the phony numbers from different judges to create controversy. Get back to us when it has a legitimate objective scoring system.
 
2014-01-13 07:25:36 PM

jbc: Get back to us when it has a legitimate objective scoring system.


I'm now picturing a weigh in for the pairs skating and the women having to be handicapped like jockeys in horse racing.

"This is Dick Button reporting - Mary Smith weighed in at 112 today, three pounds under the minimum, which means an extra 1500 sequins need to be added to her costume before she can take the ice.  Her partner, Lance Lancelot, openly wept upon hearing the news and wondered if he would be able to fling her over the 8' beam during the competition."
 
2014-01-13 07:42:42 PM

jbc: the_vicious_fez: jbc:

Yes, but in real sports, once the decision has been made, every single person in the building knows exactly what the score is. The scoring is not subjective there. You don't sit there and wait for the official to make up a number, because everyone agrees on the number.

At this point, I can't tell if you're trolling or not. The number isn't made up. It turns out, however, that when you pack 30 individual skills into 90 seconds and the judges have to decide whether you executed each one and what the penalties *per skill* are, the process is not instantaneous. That doesn't mean the number is "made up."

Also, "the sports you grew up with" != "real sports", as the dictionary will tell you. Just because there are other scoring systems you're not comfortable with, doesn't mean the world revolves around you.

If that we're true, they could go to instant replay. They don't because they need the phony numbers from different judges to create controversy. Get back to us when it has a legitimate objective scoring system.


They have instant replay. They also have a time limit, sort of like how NFL refs can't deliberate over coaches challenges for longer than a certain amount of time (2 min, IIRC).
 
2014-01-13 07:47:34 PM
She looks like a winner to me, even if her whole routine consists of her scooting across the ice on her butt.

My biggest biatch about the Olympics, is women's gymnastics, where the teams are composed of 13 year old girls.

Any "sport" where you get points for smiling and waving you hands around, isn't a sport.
 
2014-01-13 07:52:58 PM
Brian France penalized Tonya Harding, opening up a spot on the team.

/Olympics sports entertained
 
2014-01-13 07:55:23 PM
Nope. Still not gonna watch
 
2014-01-13 07:56:42 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Brian France penalized Tonya Harding, opening up a spot on the team.

/Olympics sports entertained


Good lord I can't wait for race season.

My favorite Olympic news (other than the consistent Russian insanity) is that Leigh Diffy will be the announcer for bob sleds, luge and skeleton. He gets so damn excited all the time.
 
2014-01-13 07:56:47 PM

Crewmannumber6: She looks like Amy Adams.


Still unsure... any pictures of her ass?
 
2014-01-13 07:58:11 PM

jbc: Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.


Just like Olympic Snowboard Stuntaz...and, well most of the X games stuff that aren't races they've been adding lately.
 
2014-01-13 08:00:49 PM

jbc: the_vicious_fez: jbc: Figure skating isn't a sport, subby, it's a competition. Sports don't have subjective scoring based on judges pulling a number out of their ass. Figure skating is only a sport if you also consider gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants, American Idol and dog shows to also be sports.

2sport
 noun
: a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other
 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sport

Gymnastics and diving certainly count. And if you don't think gymnastics is physical, I invite you to try it sometime.

Congrats. You've just (unsuccessfully) argued that Tag and Pin the Tail on the Donkey are sports.


I bet pro paintball guys consider paintball a sport... and that's just tag with expensive equipment.
 
2014-01-13 08:14:34 PM
She must be rich.  God rewards the rich because they're clearly the hardest workers.
 
2014-01-13 08:16:21 PM
Man, reading people's random opinions on what is and isn't a "sport" sure is interesting. I hope they get to the part where they start quoting George Carlin and Hemingway soon.

/send the most talented in every sport to the Olympics. We've got a medal count to win
 
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