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2014-01-13 01:55:19 PM
I like my 3d tv.
 
2014-01-13 02:29:50 PM
Is there a name for the phenomenon where a certain technology has reached such an advanced state that there's really no reason to go any farther with it?

I feel that way about TVs and CGI. I just don't personally see the point anymore. I'm not saying everyone should think this way, I'm just wondering if there's a word for it.

\"Luddite LOL"
 
2014-01-13 02:40:25 PM

sigdiamond2000: Is there a name for the phenomenon where a certain technology has reached such an advanced state that there's really no reason to go any farther with it?

I feel that way about TVs and CGI. I just don't personally see the point anymore. I'm not saying everyone should think this way, I'm just wondering if there's a word for it.

\"Luddite LOL"


I haven't seen what 4k is like, but when DVDs came out I remember thinking WOW!!! but now you can easily see how superior Blu-ray is in quality. I hope I don't sound like one of those monster cable buying audiophiles, but if 4k is to Blu-ray what Blu-ray is to DVD then long may the inexorable march of progress continue.
 
2014-01-13 02:45:35 PM

Slaxl: but if 4k is to Blu-ray what Blu-ray is to DVD then long may the inexorable march of progress continue


I suppose you're right. If it really is that superior, I'm sure they'll rope me in too.
 
2014-01-13 03:00:11 PM

sigdiamond2000: Is there a name for the phenomenon where a certain technology has reached such an advanced state that there's really no reason to go any farther with it?

I feel that way about TVs and CGI. I just don't personally see the point anymore. I'm not saying everyone should think this way, I'm just wondering if there's a word for it.

\"Luddite LOL"


Don't get me started with CGI.

Here.  Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4dYsR4xNRk

/upcoming stop motion animation movie Boxtrolls
 
2014-01-13 03:06:52 PM

Slaxl: I haven't seen what 4k is like, but when DVDs came out I remember thinking WOW!!! but now you can easily see how superior Blu-ray is in quality. I hope I don't sound like one of those monster cable buying audiophiles, but if 4k is to Blu-ray what Blu-ray is to DVD then long may the inexorable march of progress continue.



For 4k, I think you have to have a HUGE tv to see much difference. Unless you sit really close to it.

www.rtings.com
 
2014-01-13 03:40:47 PM
I watch most of my content in 480p anyway as it is.  Do I notice the difference between DVD and Blue-Ray.  Sure.  Is it a big deal?  Mostly not.  Occasionally I'll want Blueray for something like Pacific Rim that's all eye candy, but for most TV and movies, the difference in detail isn't something I notice unless I'm specifically looking for it.  480p Netflix/Hulu streams are perfectly acceptable.
 
2014-01-13 03:43:20 PM
Welp, time to start investing in hexagons.
 
2014-01-13 04:06:12 PM
I was out at CES and saw them.  I've been there every year for the past 6, and saw the rise and fall of 3D and other "fads".  Personally, I think the 4K OLED curved TVs were absolutely stunning.  Now, what I don't know if it was the 4k, OLED or the curve.  I'm thinking it was a combination of the former, not so much on the curve.  LG had the best implementation of it.  Blacks were as pure as anything I had ever seen (better than Plasma), edges were crisp (thanks to no light bleed with OLED)... Just overall a fantastic picture.  Regardless of screen shape, I'm convinced that OLED and 4/8k will encourage consumers to upgrade their TVs (as opposed to 3D)- assuming they can get the content issues figured out.
 
2014-01-13 04:31:01 PM
It makes it easier to watch Ow, My Balls!
 
2014-01-13 04:33:57 PM
It would be cool for a first-person video game, but otherwise I don't see the point.

It's not like I have many curved walls begging for TVs.
 
2014-01-13 04:34:47 PM
The obsession with resolution isn't far off from the "bit wars" of the early consoles. Sure more resolution is often better, but if you have that high resolution on a TV that jitters and ghosts like the majority of sets do then you are focusing on the wrong thing.
 
2014-01-13 04:40:17 PM

Blues_X: I like my 3d tv.


THIS, until my right eye stopped giving me enough information for proper depth perception. Oh well.

As for curved displays... absolutely stupid for a living room. My 58" plasma looks great from everywhere, whereas a curved display would only look good from a specific distance and position.

...that said, curved displays would be absolutely AWESOME for a 3-monitor PC setup! Give me 3 32" curved 4k displays, and I think I'd be very happy, for work and games.
 
2014-01-13 04:46:50 PM

Blues_X: For 4k, I think you have to have a HUGE tv to see much difference. Unless you sit really close to it.


I disagree with where the lines on the graph are (after all, vision is a pretty subjective experience, and depends on several factors), but the main point of the graph is hard to dispute.
 
2014-01-13 04:47:31 PM
4K is awesome (stop by Magnolia at Best Buy if you wanna see it) but honestly useless until 5-6 years from now when all the content providers switch over to 4k (especially the internet streaming ones).  I know Version doesn't even do a good job at 1080p most of the time.  You end up with a big 4 grand tv that just upscales everything if you buy it now.
 
2014-01-13 04:48:31 PM

LesserEvil: Blues_X: I like my 3d tv.

THIS, until my right eye stopped giving me enough information for proper depth perception. Oh well.

As for curved displays... absolutely stupid for a living room. My 58" plasma looks great from everywhere, whereas a curved display would only look good from a specific distance and position.

...that said, curved displays would be absolutely AWESOME for a 3-monitor PC setup! Give me 3 32" curved 4k displays, and I think I'd be very happy, for work and games.


As a code monkey I want all the screens and pixels I can get surrounding me, ideally at a consistent distance from my eyes when I look in their direction.

As a TV viewer 4k seems like overkill and curved screens seem silly
 
2014-01-13 04:50:08 PM
Yeah, I can get behind a ginormous 4K OLED screen to replace the 46"er in the TV room, but a curved screen not so much.  Maybe it's worth it if you are really striving for the perfect theater experience or something.  It's seems kind of like the difference between a really nice audio system for listening to during the day versus uber high-end audiophile equipment for obsessives with dedicated listening rooms.  Fine, if that's your thing, but for better or worse, it's been a long time since I just sat and listened to a the equivalent of a double-album.

What's kind of media do you use to store a 2-3 hour long movie in 4K. What about streaming bandwidth?
 
2014-01-13 05:00:12 PM
It would be good for corners.
 
2014-01-13 05:01:41 PM
Great, so now I can let the sales guy at the Amazon Showroom tell me how ALL the best TVs these days are curved, so I should go ahead and buy one even if I don't intend on using the curve.
 
2014-01-13 05:06:07 PM

SinisterDexter: What's kind of media do you use to store a 2-3 hour long movie in 4K. What about streaming bandwidth?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding

If I'm reading the table correctly, would take 25Mbps at 30fps for a 4K show- but H.265 isn't really available en mass yet.  I would assume double for MPEG-4.  I don't believe there is any media that can store it yet.

There are also a few other codecs available that are competing as well- vp9 from Google for example.
 
2014-01-13 05:13:07 PM

BunkyBrewman: sigdiamond2000: Is there a name for the phenomenon where a certain technology has reached such an advanced state that there's really no reason to go any farther with it?

I feel that way about TVs and CGI. I just don't personally see the point anymore. I'm not saying everyone should think this way, I'm just wondering if there's a word for it.

\"Luddite LOL"

Don't get me started with CGI.

Here.  Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4dYsR4xNRk

/upcoming stop motion animation movie Boxtrolls


That was fun to watch. Also watched the behind the scenes for ParaNorman. I need to watch that one now.
 
2014-01-13 05:17:53 PM
I cant wait for 4k to come down in price...  and more oled tv options would be great too...  I was in walmart the other day browsing tv's, and I dont think I saw a single oled on the wall...
 
2014-01-13 05:47:18 PM
I've had a curved TV for years

www.digitalmomblog.com
 
2014-01-13 05:48:41 PM

StoPPeRmobile: It would be good for corners.


And perfect if you live in a yurt.  What with all those yurt owners having large HDTVs and all.
 
2014-01-13 05:57:13 PM
I'd just be happy if I could get 1080p television from Comcast on a regular basis. It's kind of sad when the Sherlock torrent I downloaded last night looks better than the cable signal on some channels.
 
2014-01-13 06:00:17 PM

theresnothinglft: 4K is awesome (stop by Magnolia at Best Buy if you wanna see it) but honestly useless until 5-6 years from now when all the content providers switch over to 4k (especially the internet streaming ones).  I know Version doesn't even do a good job at 1080p most of the time.  You end up with a big 4 grand tv that just upscales everything if you buy it now.


Well, you can have passive 3D in 1080p, if you're into that sort of thing. Like, you're really into Avatar and Gravity, and... that's about it I guess.
 
2014-01-13 06:09:43 PM
Are there ANY 4k, 3D TV's or do you have to chose between them? I NEED 240hz on a LCD just to get rid of the motion blur. 480Hz for 3D.   How soon until 4K, 3D, 480Hz screens?  For work I am getting a request ready to upgrade my monitor to a 4K, but for coding 30Hz is ok.
 
2014-01-13 06:10:21 PM
What I really want is this, in the $400-800 price range, with a suitable response time for gaming, a decent contrast ratio, and led quality:

uncrate.com

Curved tvs? Who cares. widescreen curved computer gaming is where it's at.
 
2014-01-13 06:12:31 PM
Curved screens.

Curved. Screens.
 
2014-01-13 06:19:12 PM

lvdata2: Are there ANY 4k, 3D TV's or do you have to chose between them? I NEED 240hz on a LCD just to get rid of the motion blur. 480Hz for 3D.   How soon until 4K, 3D, 480Hz screens?  For work I am getting a request ready to upgrade my monitor to a 4K, but for coding 30Hz is ok.


You'd only need to double the refresh rate if you were using active shutter glasses, which everyone seems to be moving away from.

And yes there are 4k 3d tvs w/240hz refresh rate.
 
2014-01-13 06:25:06 PM
The curved screens do add a tiny perception of depth to most things with HD resolution. I do not think that they will start flying off shelves anytime soon (and that may kill the concept right there),  but if they stick around long enough, they will probably be the "next upgrade" for consumers in need of a new TV.

4/8K really is like the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray.  It is beautiful, and once people start producing content for it, it will become the new standard over the next decade.  I am sure this will start in the adult industry and branch out from there (like Blu-Ray).  Just be ready to be able to see every imperfection in a wrinkle-star.
 
2014-01-13 06:27:05 PM
I'm holding out for no-screen holographic projection.

/Don't have a room for a screen big enough for 4K to matter.
 
2014-01-13 06:29:19 PM

blacksharpiemarker: What I really want is this, in the $400-800 price range, with a suitable response time for gaming, a decent contrast ratio, and led quality:

[uncrate.com image 570x404]

Curved tvs? Who cares. widescreen curved computer gaming is where it's at.


Make it OLED and you have a deal
 
2014-01-13 06:44:31 PM

Lighting: The curved screens do add a tiny perception of depth to most things with HD resolution. I do not think that they will start flying off shelves anytime soon (and that may kill the concept right there),  but if they stick around long enough, they will probably be the "next upgrade" for consumers in need of a new TV.

4/8K really is like the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray.  It is beautiful, and once people start producing content for it, it will become the new standard over the next decade.  I am sure this will start in the adult industry and branch out from there (like Blu-Ray).  Just be ready to be able to see every imperfection in a wrinkle-star.


Did Blu-Ray ever really make that big of an impact on porn when it was first launching? Aside from a few big budget ones like Pirates, it seemed like they were slow to adopt, especially since most of the porn action is stream now. Disc is mainly for the folks who are doing it old school, and who are therefore not your typical demographic for 4k.
 
2014-01-13 06:50:32 PM

the_sidewinder: blacksharpiemarker: What I really want is this, in the $400-800 price range, with a suitable response time for gaming, a decent contrast ratio, and led quality:

[uncrate.com image 570x404]

Curved tvs? Who cares. widescreen curved computer gaming is where it's at.

Make it OLED and you have a deal


Amen, brother.  (Or sister.  Or whatever.)
 
2014-01-13 07:16:51 PM
Curved screens are stupid.  But OLED is awesome.  How about a 4k OLED flat screen already?
 
2014-01-13 07:20:01 PM

blacksharpiemarker: What I really want is this, in the $400-800 price range, with a suitable response time for gaming, a decent contrast ratio, and led quality:

[uncrate.com image 570x404]

Curved tvs? Who cares. widescreen curved computer gaming is where it's at.


Yep. A curved TV doesn't make too much sense sitting so far away, but a curved monitor when you're 2ft away at most, definitely worth it.
 
2014-01-13 07:26:41 PM

Mad_Radhu: id Blu-Ray ever really make that big of an impact on porn when it was first launching?


Well, the adult industry going with Blu-Ray over HD-DVD ended the disc-based format wars once and for all.  That won't happen like that now, since the content will be driving the format, but the adult industry is almost always one of the earliest adopters of new entertainment technologies.  I more meant that is where we are likely to see the first consumer 4k content arriving from, especially when bandwith allows streaming 4K .
 
2014-01-13 07:27:26 PM

Lighting: Mad_Radhu: id Blu-Ray ever really make that big of an impact on porn when it was first launching?

Well, the adult industry going with Blu-Ray over HD-DVD ended the disc-based format wars once and for all.  That won't happen like that now, since the content will be driving the format, but the adult industry is almost always one of the earliest adopters of new entertainment technologies.  I more meant that is where we are likely to see the first consumer 4k content arriving from, especially when bandwith allows streaming 4K .


Whoops.  Spoke too late. Already happening...
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/11/5299032/naughty-america-porn-4K-vi de os
 
2014-01-13 07:35:33 PM

SinisterDexter: Yeah, I can get behind a ginormous 4K OLED screen to replace the 46"er in the TV room, but a curved screen not so much.  Maybe it's worth it if you are really striving for the perfect theater experience or something.  It's seems kind of like the difference between a really nice audio system for listening to during the day versus uber high-end audiophile equipment for obsessives with dedicated listening rooms.  Fine, if that's your thing, but for better or worse, it's been a long time since I just sat and listened to a the equivalent of a double-album.

What's kind of media do you use to store a 2-3 hour long movie in 4K. What about streaming bandwidth?


Secret about that audiophile business. It's all bullshiat. A mental illness. It isn't just the cables and the stupid pointy feet and the like. At some point, long before you've reached the very top end of the market, you begin reproducing the source material so perfectly that every little mistake the engineer or producer of the recording made becomes glaring, and ruins your enjoyment. Also, the difference between a $7k pair of speakers and a $14K pair of speakers really is, for all practical purposes, nonexistent. Similar observations apply to high end amplifiers. Right now, I'm using a solid state power amp intended for a restaurant PA system. It's just fine. I dropped a little more money on the preamp, but it's still considered merely "entry-level audiophile". You don't need anything better than that.
 
2014-01-13 07:46:16 PM

forgotmydamnusername: SinisterDexter: Yeah, I can get behind a ginormous 4K OLED screen to replace the 46"er in the TV room, but a curved screen not so much.  Maybe it's worth it if you are really striving for the perfect theater experience or something.  It's seems kind of like the difference between a really nice audio system for listening to during the day versus uber high-end audiophile equipment for obsessives with dedicated listening rooms.  Fine, if that's your thing, but for better or worse, it's been a long time since I just sat and listened to a the equivalent of a double-album.

What's kind of media do you use to store a 2-3 hour long movie in 4K. What about streaming bandwidth?

Secret about that audiophile business. It's all bullshiat. A mental illness. It isn't just the cables and the stupid pointy feet and the like. At some point, long before you've reached the very top end of the market, you begin reproducing the source material so perfectly that every little mistake the engineer or producer of the recording made becomes glaring, and ruins your enjoyment. Also, the difference between a $7k pair of speakers and a $14K pair of speakers really is, for all practical purposes, nonexistent. Similar observations apply to high end amplifiers. Right now, I'm using a solid state power amp intended for a restaurant PA system. It's just fine. I dropped a little more money on the preamp, but it's still considered merely "entry-level audiophile". You don't need anything better than that.


Wasn't there a story on that posted to Fark recently? Some "audiophile" dumped all his fancy stuff because he realized he was listening to his equipment and not the music.
 
2014-01-13 08:04:54 PM

sigdiamond2000: Slaxl: but if 4k is to Blu-ray what Blu-ray is to DVD then long may the inexorable march of progress continue

I suppose you're right. If it really is that superior, I'm sure they'll rope me in too.


They're reaching the point (for normal sized televisions) that improvements will no long matter as our eyes can only detect but so much.
 
2014-01-13 08:11:51 PM
Step 1: Buy a track IR http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/
Step 2: Use it to look at the flat screen you already own
Step 3: Don't waste money on a new tv, or waste processing power rendering pixels you aren't even looking at.
 
2014-01-13 08:44:17 PM

Lighting: Mad_Radhu: id Blu-Ray ever really make that big of an impact on porn when it was first launching?

Well, the adult industry going with Blu-Ray over HD-DVD ended the disc-based format wars once and for all.  That won't happen like that now, since the content will be driving the format, but the adult industry is almost always one of the earliest adopters of new entertainment technologies.  I more meant that is where we are likely to see the first consumer 4k content arriving from, especially when bandwith allows streaming 4K .


Yeah, but by the time they took a side, HD-DVD was already pining for the fjords. The big studios pretty much lined up for Blu-Ray at the start, and Sny adding it to the PS3 sealed the deal. At the time the change was happening, I just never saw many of either hi-def format on the shelves of my local pron emporium, and I live is a pretty high-tech and affluent area where they would be leading the charge. From what I saw the porn industry really had very little effect on that format war, compared to my local Best Buy that had Blu-Rays of every major release from the studios that were behind the format. HD-DVD just started off behind as far as Hollywood and never caught up. The only reason porn had any influence at all in the early days of VHS/Beta was because Hollywood was barely supporting the home video market at all because they thought it would kill profits on the big screen, up until the early 80s they were fighting tooth and nail and delaying a lot of major releases. Hell, it took until 1988 before E.T. even hit home video, because the studios viewed it as the enemy. 20 years later it was a whole different story with Blu-Ray.

Also, Netflix is going to be streaming 4k this year, starting with House of Cards season 2, which will be the first 4k consumer stuff.
 
2014-01-13 08:51:21 PM

Mad_Radhu: Lighting: Mad_Radhu: id Blu-Ray ever really make that big of an impact on porn when it was first launching?

Well, the adult industry going with Blu-Ray over HD-DVD ended the disc-based format wars once and for all.  That won't happen like that now, since the content will be driving the format, but the adult industry is almost always one of the earliest adopters of new entertainment technologies.  I more meant that is where we are likely to see the first consumer 4k content arriving from, especially when bandwith allows streaming 4K .

Yeah, but by the time they took a side, HD-DVD was already pining for the fjords. The big studios pretty much lined up for Blu-Ray at the start, and Sny adding it to the PS3 sealed the deal. At the time the change was happening, I just never saw many of either hi-def format on the shelves of my local pron emporium, and I live is a pretty high-tech and affluent area where they would be leading the charge. From what I saw the porn industry really had very little effect on that format war, compared to my local Best Buy that had Blu-Rays of every major release from the studios that were behind the format. HD-DVD just started off behind as far as Hollywood and never caught up. The only reason porn had any influence at all in the early days of VHS/Beta was because Hollywood was barely supporting the home video market at all because they thought it would kill profits on the big screen, up until the early 80s they were fighting tooth and nail and delaying a lot of major releases. Hell, it took until 1988 before E.T. even hit home video, because the studios viewed it as the enemy. 20 years later it was a whole different story with Blu-Ray.

Also, Netflix is going to be streaming 4k this year, starting with House of Cards season 2, which will be the first 4k consumer stuff.


I've got a random Blu-Ray/HD-DVD question... When HD took a crap and I happened to have an HD player, I went to Fry's and bought a bunch of HD stuff at a huge discount. Why do half of them have the titles in French on the cover? I'm nowhere near French Canada or France.
 
2014-01-13 08:59:03 PM

ShawnDoc: I watch most of my content in 480p anyway as it is.  Do I notice the difference between DVD and Blue-Ray.  Sure.  Is it a big deal?  Mostly not.  Occasionally I'll want Blueray for something like Pacific Rim that's all eye candy, but for most TV and movies, the difference in detail isn't something I notice unless I'm specifically looking for it.  480p Netflix/Hulu streams are perfectly acceptable.


I'm right there with you, especially with Pacific Rim. (No way I was going to get anything but Blu Ray for that.) I have a pretty good DVD collection, and I have no real need to upgrade the titles I have to Blu Ray. A good player and TV can make a high quality DVD look pretty close to Blu Ray quality. I was blown away by how good DVDs looked on my HDTV (thanks to the SRT chip) and while Blu Ray would be better, it wouldn't be so noticable that I needed to upgrade. (Unlike upgrading from VHS to DVD.)

So while 4K is probably the future, it's not going to be as revolutionary as the move from standard to HD. In fact, I don't really think I'd miss anything sticking with HD over 4K, because we're at the point of diminishing returns.

Of course, my beautiful TV is currently sitting in a repair shop because it stopped working this weekend, so I am NOT getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2014-01-13 09:15:33 PM
I like my 3d TV.

What I *don't* like is that I can't get any damned 3D content for it, Forza 5 on XbOne doesn't do 3D,  itunes has zero 3D content, and I refuse to buy Blu-Ray in this day and age of streaming. (don't even own a player, unless the xbone can do it)

I hear netflix has some... but that would mean using a VPN, which would either slow down my whole internets or fark up my internal network.
 
2014-01-13 09:16:18 PM

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The future!

 
2014-01-13 09:16:47 PM

crotchgrabber: I've got a random Blu-Ray/HD-DVD question... When HD took a crap and I happened to have an HD player, I went to Fry's and bought a bunch of HD stuff at a huge discount. Why do half of them have the titles in French on the cover? I'm nowhere near French Canada or France


Since it is Fry's they probably cut a deal where they snapped up every HD-DVD the studios had in their warehouses for $3 and a scratch off ticket, including stuff that was intended for other markets. Since HD-DVDs had no region coding in the spec, the studios probably just used the same discs in the North America, France, and Spain and people just selected the appropriate audio track for their country.
 
2014-01-13 09:18:08 PM

lindseyp: I like my 3d TV.

What I *don't* like is that I can't get any damned 3D content for it, Forza 5 on XbOne doesn't do 3D,  itunes has zero 3D content, and I refuse to buy Blu-Ray in this day and age of streaming. (don't even own a player, unless the xbone can do it)

I hear netflix has some... but that would mean using a VPN, which would either slow down my whole internets or fark up my internal network.


Vudu on the PS3 does 3D streaming. Do you have one of those?
 
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