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(Washington Examiner)   Crack conservative sleuth discovers employer-subsidized health plans can be cheaper than plans on the ACA Exchanges. Up next, that big orange thing in the sky, does it really provide light and heat?   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 129
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2014-01-13 02:40:50 PM  

clambam: kidgenius: clambam: The Most Uninteresting Man in the World: What are the odds that Walmart's plan was as cheap as it currently is and covered as much as it currently does BEFORE the ACA?

Actually I'd be pretty certain Walmart's insurance plan was excellent before the ACA. After all, you want to retain middle managers and above, and they're the ones who work enough hours to merit health insurance. The issue isn't the quality of insurance offered by the largest employer in the country, it's the percentage of employees who qualify for that coverage, and that remains very small compared to overall staffing.

According to this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/business/wal-mart-cuts-some-health- c are-benefits.html?pagewanted=all

It was only 52% back in 2009. Lots of good info in the NYT there.

I guarantee you that senior management has excellent health benefits. I'd be very surprised if store managers/assistant managers didn't receive good benefits as well, but I could be wrong. Who would work at that level without a decent benefits package? Oh wait a minute, maybe it's whatsisname who's paying $12,400 a year thanks to Obamacare.


I bet everyone on the corporate side, buyers, supply chain people, etc., all have excellent coverage.
 
2014-01-13 02:41:37 PM  
Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama
 
2014-01-13 02:44:57 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans


FoxNews has been telling you that Democrats have been telling us.....  there, better.
 
2014-01-13 02:46:17 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


That's some quality trolling,  I'm guessing you get like 1.75 cny per hour.   Hopefully you don't get relocated to the labor and education cap you deserve.
 
2014-01-13 02:46:30 PM  

netcentric: Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama


Yes. It is Obama's fault governors and insurance commissioners in red states offer crappy plans.

/my crappy red state plan is slightly less crappy than the one I got in the wild free market a few years ago.
 
2014-01-13 02:47:13 PM  

netcentric: Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama


This post brought to you by the Coalition for the Freedom of Patriots to Organize Foundations to Associate around the Founders' Intent to Provide as Few Citations As Possible.

//we're still working on it.  -Phil Coulson
 
2014-01-13 02:48:04 PM  

kidgenius: Mikey1969: SlothB77: Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.

Well, to those employees who 'qualify', of course...

Funny how you(And TFA) left that part out.

Further more, this is what the premium is that an individual pays. Walmart is subsidizing a not-insignificant portion of the entire premium, which allows them to offer a plan at a reasonable price.
Also, they can offer cheaper plans because they have a HUGE pool that they can provide to an insurance company. Give the exchanges time (years here people) and as the insurers figure out the risk pools, etc., rates may very well drop. The reason that the ACA plans are so expensive initially is due to uncertainty, which insurance companies absolute HATE.


That's exactly why i have such good insurance through my wife... If you work for a smaller company, then you have to have someone in the HR department that's a hell of a negotiator...
 
2014-01-13 02:48:21 PM  

netcentric: Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama


Please name one person who called it that and give a documented source as of the date.
 
2014-01-13 02:50:16 PM  

lennavan: Obama promised I could keep my doctor if I liked him.But then my doctor retired.WTF OBAMA WHY U LIEZ?


I recently heard this from my elderly father, without a hint of irony.
 
2014-01-13 02:52:40 PM  
So we have a choice, Subby? Oh wait, that's only if you are employed. Oh and if you are employed and your employer offers a health care plan.
 
2014-01-13 02:55:43 PM  

netcentric: Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama


Your aware they don't actually have to get plans only through the exchange, right?
 
2014-01-13 02:56:16 PM  

skyotter: lennavan: Obama promised I could keep my doctor if I liked him.But then my doctor retired.WTF OBAMA WHY U LIEZ?

I recently heard this from my elderly father, without a hint of irony.


Right now, EVERYTHING medical related people are using Obama as an excuse/thing to blame.   Apparently no doctor ever retired before Obama.
 
2014-01-13 02:56:35 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


Those democrats always coming around the house, trampling the shrubberies, yelling stuff like this in the windows when they see us.  Somebody should put a stop to it!
 
2014-01-13 03:02:41 PM  
And SlothB77 completely owns this thread.  10/10!
 
2014-01-13 03:03:36 PM  
Clearly, if employer-based plans are better, there's no reason to continue Obamacare.
 
2014-01-13 03:05:48 PM  

SlothB77: Fox News has been telling us that Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.


FTFY
 
2014-01-13 03:06:21 PM  

Rootus: And SlothB77 completely owns shiats all over this thread.  10/10!


ftfy
 
2014-01-13 03:06:26 PM  

Print'sNotDead: Had to borrow this from another Farker, but it needs to be here.


I, for one, am glad *that's* over.

I'm sure someone's already said this (long thread) but the Dems should have never caved on the public option.

/single payer would be better
 
2014-01-13 03:13:10 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: Print'sNotDead: Had to borrow this from another Farker, but it needs to be here.

I, for one, am glad *that's* over.

I'm sure someone's already said this (long thread) but the Dems should have never caved on the public option.

/single payer would be better


The public option wasn't removed to make the bill more palatable to Republicans, it was removed to make the bill more palatable to Democrats because the Blue Dogs weren't on board with a public option. I agree that the public option would be a better policy, but the choice wasn't between the ACA with public option and the ACA with no public option. The choice was ACA with no public option or no ACA at all.
 
2014-01-13 03:14:31 PM  

Danger Mouse: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Like doctors perform amputations because they get paid more?
Or if you like your insurance plan you can keep you insurance?

making things up like that?



Or things like
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
or
"Obamacare has done more damage to the USA then the swords of the Nazis,Soviets & terrorists combined."
or, do you mean things like
"Obama will be spending a whopping $200 million per day to visit to Mumbai."
 
2014-01-13 03:18:54 PM  

netcentric: Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama


Shutupshutup! We're back to calling it ACA now, just in case it becomes successful. If you like, you can also refer to it as Mitt Romney's plan.
 
2014-01-13 03:21:29 PM  

Lord_Baull: Danger Mouse: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Like doctors perform amputations because they get paid more?
Or if you like your insurance plan you can keep you insurance?

making things up like that?


Or things like
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
or
"Obamacare has done more damage to the USA then the swords of the Nazis,Soviets & terrorists combined."
or, do you mean things like
"Obama will be spending a whopping $200 million per day to visit to Mumbai."


Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?
 
2014-01-13 03:27:45 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


Every single day man, every single day. HIlarious.
 
2014-01-13 03:28:17 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: skyotter: lennavan: Obama promised I could keep my doctor if I liked him.But then my doctor retired.WTF OBAMA WHY U LIEZ?

I recently heard this from my elderly father, without a hint of irony.

Right now, EVERYTHING medical related people are using Obama as an excuse/thing to blame.   Apparently no doctor ever retired before Obama.



I liken the entire Obama presidency like this:
It's the bottom of the 7th, and the American Nationals pitcher GW Bush has so far done a pretty shiatty job in the game, down by 6-1 against the Corporate Warhawks. Obama asked to be brought in as relief, with the well-documented quote "Put me in coach, I can win the game!" The manager of the Nationals, one I.M. Public decides to give it a try, since it can't get any worse. Obama goes in and starts pitching a solid game, but unfortunately the shortstop is Beohner and the first baseman is McConnell, both of which refuse to give any effort to turn the game around, missing easy catches and throwing the ball wildly to teammates. When batting, Cruz insists on bunting and Ryan pops up to the catcher. So, the Nationals lose by 6-5, and we see the right side of the stands throwing bottles of beer at Obama shouting, "You lied to us! You said you could win the game!"
 
2014-01-13 03:30:37 PM  

Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?



I imagine somewhere around the cost of any other modern era president traveling to a foreign country as the single most powerful man on Earth.
 
2014-01-13 03:31:17 PM  

Lord_Baull: Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?


I imagine somewhere around the cost of any other modern era president traveling to a foreign country as the single most powerful man on Earth.



But I guess less than if he just landed his own plane on a nearby aircraft carrier.
 
2014-01-13 03:34:10 PM  

Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?


Probably about the same as any American president visiting a foreign country. Did we ever get any substantial evidence that the trip cost significantly more than that, besides claims that were proven to be baseless? Better yet, do these rhetorical questions ever hold water when you compare the answer to them to what the answer would be regarding any previous president during his administration?"

Are you ever not "just asking questions" and trying to get into pedantic pissing matches?
 
2014-01-13 03:34:44 PM  
Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!
 
2014-01-13 03:37:18 PM  

MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!


Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?
 
2014-01-13 03:41:06 PM  

Bloody William: Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?

Probably about the same as any American president visiting a foreign country. Did we ever get any substantial evidence that the trip cost significantly more than that, besides claims that were proven to be baseless? Better yet, do these rhetorical questions ever hold water when you compare the answer to them to what the answer would be regarding any previous president during his administration?"

Are you ever not "just asking questions" and trying to get into pedantic pissing matches?


I remember a time when a president making a diplomatic trip wasn't an issue.  I remember when a president could take a vacation without it becoming a scandal, despite having taken a fraction of the time as his predecessor.  I wonder what the difference is?
 
2014-01-13 03:42:04 PM  

ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?


Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.
 
2014-01-13 03:44:46 PM  

MrSplifferton: ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?

Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.


Yeah, I like the "fix actual problems" approach to things you've got here.  But "scrap everything and start again" polls better with teabaggers, so that's the "debate" we get.
 
2014-01-13 03:46:29 PM  

TNel: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Come again?  That has never been the selling point.  The point is people that are not eligible for health care and yes insurance companies and doctors/hospitals are pulling one over us.  You think it truely costs $10 a pill for tyenol in the ER?


You think providers have any say in how much you're charged for a pill? You farking idiot.
 
2014-01-13 03:47:04 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Bloody William: Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?

Probably about the same as any American president visiting a foreign country. Did we ever get any substantial evidence that the trip cost significantly more than that, besides claims that were proven to be baseless? Better yet, do these rhetorical questions ever hold water when you compare the answer to them to what the answer would be regarding any previous president during his administration?"

Are you ever not "just asking questions" and trying to get into pedantic pissing matches?

I remember a time when a president making a diplomatic trip wasn't an issue.  I remember when a president could take a vacation without it becoming a scandal, despite having taken a fraction of the time as his predecessor.  I wonder what the difference is?



I think it's because his wife has the audacity to spearhead a pet project to make American's healthy.
 
2014-01-13 03:48:36 PM  

Lord_Baull: UncomfortableSilence: Bloody William: Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?

Probably about the same as any American president visiting a foreign country. Did we ever get any substantial evidence that the trip cost significantly more than that, besides claims that were proven to be baseless? Better yet, do these rhetorical questions ever hold water when you compare the answer to them to what the answer would be regarding any previous president during his administration?"

Are you ever not "just asking questions" and trying to get into pedantic pissing matches?

I remember a time when a president making a diplomatic trip wasn't an issue.  I remember when a president could take a vacation without it becoming a scandal, despite having taken a fraction of the time as his predecessor.  I wonder what the difference is?


I think it's because his wife has the audacity to spearhead a pet project to make American's healthy.


ARUGULA!!!  Shut down everything.
 
2014-01-13 03:51:16 PM  

MrSplifferton: ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?

Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.


I'd actually really like that. I have employer-subsidized health coverage, and while it's great in terms of premiums I'd still love to have my own choices regarding how I'm covered beyond the few provided.
 
2014-01-13 03:52:28 PM  

Lord_Baull: I think it's because his wife has the audacity to spearhead a pet project to make American's healthy.


Americans. Plural doesn't use an apostrophe.
 
2014-01-13 03:56:16 PM  

Bloody William: MrSplifferton: ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?

Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.

I'd actually really like that. I have employer-subsidized health coverage, and while it's great in terms of premiums I'd still love to have my own choices regarding how I'm covered beyond the few provided.


The exchange in my state has 90 plans to choose from. If I were full time I would only have 3 choices.
 
2014-01-13 03:58:18 PM  

MrSplifferton: Bloody William: MrSplifferton: ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?

Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.

I'd actually really like that. I have employer-subsidized health coverage, and while it's great in terms of premiums I'd still love to have my own choices regarding how I'm covered beyond the few provided.

The exchange in my state has 90 plans to choose from. If I were full time I would only have 3 choices.


I'm stuck with Cigna, which already cost me some money by making me use the deductible last year, before all this stuff went into place, because a specialist who worked really well with me wasn't in-network. As it is, I'm finding another specialist, but I need to go through the irritation of finding one that works well for me (I decided the last year was a transitional period in terms of the specialist, since my deductible was already half-paid by the time I got the numbers back, so I ate the cost).
 
2014-01-13 03:59:21 PM  
UncomfortableSilence:

I remember a time when a president making a diplomatic trip wasn't an issue.  I remember when a president could take a vacation without it becoming a scandal, despite having taken a fraction of the time as his predecessor.  I wonder what the difference is?

You do? when?

i can recall just about the presidents taking crap about thier vacations.
 
2014-01-13 04:00:06 PM  

Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up


Actually, the proper term was 'craptastic'.

Or sometimes 'shiatty'.

but no, you never ragged on those plans Obamacare canceled.  Never at all.
 
2014-01-13 04:03:18 PM  
People tend to forget that Obamacare's website = Skymall for health plans.
 
2014-01-13 04:03:25 PM  

Bloody William: Lord_Baull: I think it's because his wife has the audacity to spearhead a pet project to make American's healthy.

Americans. Plural doesn't use an apostrophe.



That's what happens when I change what I was going to say, and don't care if there's a typo.
 
2014-01-13 04:04:23 PM  

Danger Mouse: UncomfortableSilence:

I remember a time when a president making a diplomatic trip wasn't an issue.  I remember when a president could take a vacation without it becoming a scandal, despite having taken a fraction of the time as his predecessor.  I wonder what the difference is?

You do? when?

i can recall just about the presidents taking crap about thier vacations.


Then show me comparable claims about Bush, or Clinton, or Bush, or Reagan, or farking Carter taking trips that cost $200 million and that they were outrageous and how dare they? farking back up your "I can recall," because I certainly goddamn can't.
 
2014-01-13 04:05:48 PM  

Bloody William: MrSplifferton: Bloody William: MrSplifferton: ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?

Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.

I'd actually really like that. I have employer-subsidized health coverage, and while it's great in terms of premiums I'd still love to have my own choices regarding how I'm covered beyond the few provided.

The exchange in my state has 90 plans to choose from. If I were full time I would only have 3 choices.

I'm stuck with Cigna, which already cost me some money by making me use the deductible last year, before all this stuff went into place, because a specialist who worked really well with me wasn't in-network. As it is, I'm finding another specialist, but I need to go through the irritation of finding one that works well for me (I decided the last year was a transitional period in terms of the specialist, since my deductible was already half-paid by the time I got the numbers back, so I ate the cost).


I had one of those garbage insurance plans that recruiting companies used to offer. For example, one medication was $180 generic, my prescription plan discounted it by 80...cents.

Medication for my wife (mental illness) and kids (eczema) cost about $1000/month. Now I pay 666/month premium and $10 for generic rx. Also out of pocket max is 1500/3000, which is a third of the oop for full time employees at my job.
 
2014-01-13 04:05:59 PM  

SlothB77: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Actually, the proper term was 'craptastic'.

Or sometimes 'shiatty'.

but no, you never ragged on those plans Obamacare canceled.  Never at all.


Those actually were specifically not employer plans, which were exempt.  (They also weren't private plans that had been unchanged for the past 4 years)
 
2014-01-13 04:06:00 PM  

SlothB77: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Actually, the proper term was 'craptastic'.

Or sometimes 'shiatty'.

but no, you never ragged on those plans Obamacare canceled.  Never at all.



This just in: Democrats = anonymous fark submitters
 
2014-01-13 04:06:39 PM  

Danger Mouse: i can recall just about the presidents taking crap about thier vacations.


The trip to India wasn't a vacation.
 
2014-01-13 04:07:01 PM  

Danger Mouse: i can recall just about the presidents taking crap about thier unprecedented amounts of vacation time during a war.

 
2014-01-13 04:09:02 PM  

MrSplifferton: Now I pay 666/month premium


PROOF OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST AND OBAMACARE IS HOW WE'LL ALL BE MARKED!
 
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