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(Washington Examiner)   Crack conservative sleuth discovers employer-subsidized health plans can be cheaper than plans on the ACA Exchanges. Up next, that big orange thing in the sky, does it really provide light and heat?   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 129
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2014-01-13 10:57:21 AM  
Nope.  not clicking on a site run by a Presbyterian church who wants to talk to me about the macroeconomics of health care.
 
2014-01-13 12:13:07 PM  
Crack smoking conservative sleuth discovers...

FTFSubby
 
2014-01-13 01:06:31 PM  
Hah. Author really did try to bring this up as if it were some big secret revelation.
 
2014-01-13 01:17:52 PM  
Guys, did you know jobs are better than no jobs? It's crazy!
 
2014-01-13 01:26:55 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-13 01:28:48 PM  
Uhh, whoever did their infographic isn't very good at counting. They said Wal Mart has 54 hospitals but only has 4.4 little hospitals in there.
 
2014-01-13 01:32:58 PM  
No, that big orange thing in the sky is really just an orange party light.  Celestia has been trolling us all from the beginning of time.
 
2014-01-13 01:34:25 PM  
Well, to be fair, it is in Walmart's best interests to keep their chattle healthy. Free labor isn't free... or something.
 
2014-01-13 01:34:28 PM  
OK  - I had trouble loading that web page, but I think from what little I could see, that it was comparing available Wal-Mart employee plans to the exchange.  Well that is not the comparison.  See the problem is that a large number of their workforce is not eligible for company benefits such as that.  I read in several articles last year where in several states Wal-Mart employees lead other working poor in receiving Medicaid.

So the comparison is not between the Wal-Mart plan and the exchange but between nothing and the exchange.  I mean, you could take the Wal-Mart CEO's salary and say that Wal-Mart's pay is far above the national average income, so they pay their workers enough.

Am I missing something here?
 
2014-01-13 01:59:25 PM  
Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.
 
2014-01-13 02:07:08 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans


It's nice to just make things up
 
2014-01-13 02:08:55 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


So we call all sign up for Walmart's plan?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 02:09:18 PM  
SlothB77:

but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.

You have a point.  Who wants to be enslaved by the government like those poor oppressed Canadians?
 
2014-01-13 02:09:19 PM  
So we should repeal ObamaCare because it's too expensive, and replace it with a law that says everyone must have employer-provided health insurance, and then we can watch as the savings roll in!

We good now?

// or we could have everyone in the same risk pool (with a "deep-pockets" end for the richers to have gold-plated orthodontia) and make everyone insured by virtue of the OMGTAXES they pay...
 
2014-01-13 02:09:51 PM  
It's almost like the law was made for people with no access to employer provided health insurance.
 
2014-01-13 02:13:29 PM  

SlothB77: Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


Well, to those employees who 'qualify', of course...

Funny how you(And TFA) left that part out.
 
2014-01-13 02:14:24 PM  

Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up


THIS.

/won't click that link
 
2014-01-13 02:14:55 PM  

Dr Dreidel: So we should repeal ObamaCare because it's too expensive, and replace it with a law that says everyone must have Walmart's employer-provided health insurance, and then we can watch as the savings roll in!


FTFY
 
2014-01-13 02:17:47 PM  
Shocking.  A group health plan that your employer pays part of the costs for may cost you less than an individual plan where you have to pay the whole amount yourself.
 
2014-01-13 02:17:51 PM  
What are the odds that Walmart's plan was as cheap as it currently is and covered as much as it currently does BEFORE the ACA?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 02:18:03 PM  

Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up


And time I hear something like "Democrats told us" it always ends up being something that no Democrat has ever said as far as I can tell.
 
2014-01-13 02:18:18 PM  

Dr Dreidel: So we should repeal ObamaCare because it's too expensive, and replace it with a law that says everyone must have employer-provided health insurance, and then we can watch as the savings roll in!

We good now?

// or we could have everyone in the same risk pool (with a "deep-pockets" end for the richers to have gold-plated orthodontia) and make everyone insured by virtue of the OMGTAXES they pay...


If I didn't know you weren't serious, I'd post a picture Bender laughing even harder.
 
2014-01-13 02:19:59 PM  

enry: Crack smoking conservative sleuth discovers...

FTFSubby


So, Rob Ford is working for the Examiner now?
 
2014-01-13 02:20:48 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.


Come again?  That has never been the selling point.  The point is people that are not eligible for health care and yes insurance companies and doctors/hospitals are pulling one over us.  You think it truely costs $10 a pill for tyenol in the ER?
 
2014-01-13 02:21:52 PM  
Math???
 
2014-01-13 02:22:07 PM  

Mikey1969: SlothB77: Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.

Well, to those employees who 'qualify', of course...

Funny how you(And TFA) left that part out.


Further more, this is what the premium is that an individual pays. Walmart is subsidizing a not-insignificant portion of the entire premium, which allows them to offer a plan at a reasonable price.
Also, they can offer cheaper plans because they have a HUGE pool that they can provide to an insurance company. Give the exchanges time (years here people) and as the insurers figure out the risk pools, etc., rates may very well drop. The reason that the ACA plans are so expensive initially is due to uncertainty, which insurance companies absolute HATE.
 
2014-01-13 02:22:26 PM  

TNel: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Come again?  That has never been the selling point.  The point is people that are not eligible for health care and yes insurance companies and doctors/hospitals are pulling one over us.  You think it truely costs $10 a pill for tyenol in the ER?


Forget it, Jake. He's dumber than a box of hair.
 
2014-01-13 02:22:29 PM  

Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up


Like doctors perform amputations because they get paid more?
Or if you like your insurance plan you can keep you insurance?

making things up like that?
 
2014-01-13 02:22:30 PM  
Had to borrow this from another Farker, but it needs to be here.img.fark.net
 
2014-01-13 02:22:33 PM  

The Most Uninteresting Man in the World: What are the odds that Walmart's plan was as cheap as it currently is and covered as much as it currently does BEFORE the ACA?


Actually I'd be pretty certain Walmart's insurance plan was excellent before the ACA. After all, you want to retain middle managers and above, and they're the ones who work enough hours to merit health insurance. The issue isn't the quality of insurance offered by the largest employer in the country, it's the percentage of employees who qualify for that coverage, and that remains very small compared to overall staffing.
 
2014-01-13 02:22:45 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.



Its hard to compare. The numbers provided in the article are misleading. They compare healthcare.gov unsubsidized prices to Walmarts subsidized prices. Then they compare a local BlueChoice network (which does suck, I've used bluechoice before), that covers only 28 Hospitals in the Upper East Coast, which is where their provider network exist. If you are traveling they WILL cover ER services anywhere.
Walmart which uses a National network covers 54 Hospitals in the ENTIRE US. That is arguably less hospital coverage per city than BlueChoice I'd be willing to bet.  I assume Walmart also covers traveling emergencies as well??? Either way, they are comparing a local network to a national network for non emergency hospital treatment??
 
2014-01-13 02:23:42 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.


Good points. Let's force all companies to provide insurance for workers so they don't have to be on Obamacare!!

You're for that then right?
 
2014-01-13 02:24:00 PM  
I heard that all non-obamacare plans were crap. so yeah, they would be cheaper.
 
2014-01-13 02:24:04 PM  

SlothB77: And the truth? Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


I do not live near a WalMart that is hiring and I currently do not work for them, can I still buy a plan through them?

You cannot be this stupids, please for the love of all that is holy tell me you see the flaw in your logic.
 
2014-01-13 02:27:04 PM  

Danger Mouse: Like doctors perform amputations because they get paid more?
Or if you like your insurance plan you can keep you insurance?

making things up like that?


Obama promised I could keep my doctor if I liked him.
But then my doctor retired.

WTF OBAMA WHY U LIEZ?
 
2014-01-13 02:28:01 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


In fairness to Sloth, some of the employer plans have been substandard, fortunately those employers who offered these substandard plans no longer can offer them and claim a tax break for them (I think they still can offer them but the disincentive of making them non deductible as well as next year hitting the employer with a fine if they have more than 50 employees will cause most of these plans to disappear).The truth is that to it's executives Walmart may offer better health care, to the peons stocking the shelves I think Walmart is happy to let the employees qualify for Medicade.
 
2014-01-13 02:28:01 PM  
 SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.



I don't think "the truth" means what you think it means...

And probably you don't want to be using Wal-Mart as a stellar example of a company providing Health Care Coverage for it's employees... try a little less Sloth and a little more Google perhaps?
 
2014-01-13 02:28:02 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: No, that big orange thing in the sky is really just an orange party light.  Celestia has been trolling us all from the beginning of time.


th03.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-13 02:28:19 PM  

colon_pow: I heard that all non-obamacare plans were crap.


No, that never happened.
 
2014-01-13 02:29:29 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 500x303]


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
You're amazing. You figured this all out already?
 
2014-01-13 02:29:35 PM  
I remember reading some posts from creation scientists that say that life could not have evolved on Earth because it would require some kind of external energy source.  This suggests that they believe that the big orange thing in the sky doesn't provide light and heat.
 
2014-01-13 02:30:41 PM  
I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this revelation. Go get a job as a Walmart stock boy to stick it to Obamacare?
 
2014-01-13 02:31:48 PM  

clambam: The Most Uninteresting Man in the World: What are the odds that Walmart's plan was as cheap as it currently is and covered as much as it currently does BEFORE the ACA?

Actually I'd be pretty certain Walmart's insurance plan was excellent before the ACA. After all, you want to retain middle managers and above, and they're the ones who work enough hours to merit health insurance. The issue isn't the quality of insurance offered by the largest employer in the country, it's the percentage of employees who qualify for that coverage, and that remains very small compared to overall staffing.


According to this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/business/wal-mart-cuts-some-health- c are-benefits.html?pagewanted=all

It was only 52% back in 2009. Lots of good info in the NYT there.
 
2014-01-13 02:32:11 PM  

sdd2000: The truth is that to it's executives Walmart may offer better health care, to the peons stocking the shelves I think Walmart is happy to let the employees qualify for Medicade.


Hell, Pre-ACA several States sued Wal-Mart for being so happy to let their employees obtain their Health Care Coverage through the Government.
 
2014-01-13 02:32:45 PM  
The big orange thing in the sky shot a huge solar flare at Earth recently.

Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-01-13 02:34:19 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


That wouldn't stem at all from their status as 'the nation's largest employer' would it?  Yah know...in case you wanted to say...negotiate lower rates...or have a larger risk pool....gee, that COULDN'T have anything to do with it....could it?
 
2014-01-13 02:35:37 PM  
http://www.fark.com/comments/8090052/88581287#c88581287

I asked a week ago when this stupid "study" would get traction.

Took a bit longer than I thought.


But HRA's ==== insurance to morons.
 
2014-01-13 02:36:39 PM  

Glenford: enry: Crack smoking conservative sleuth discovers...

FTFSubby

So, Rob Ford is working for the Examiner now?


I think it would improve their writing quality.
 
2014-01-13 02:36:45 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


Well, you successfully derailed the thread, so I'll give you that.

/also "TheOnebamacare"? lol
 
2014-01-13 02:37:55 PM  

kidgenius: clambam: The Most Uninteresting Man in the World: What are the odds that Walmart's plan was as cheap as it currently is and covered as much as it currently does BEFORE the ACA?

Actually I'd be pretty certain Walmart's insurance plan was excellent before the ACA. After all, you want to retain middle managers and above, and they're the ones who work enough hours to merit health insurance. The issue isn't the quality of insurance offered by the largest employer in the country, it's the percentage of employees who qualify for that coverage, and that remains very small compared to overall staffing.

According to this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/business/wal-mart-cuts-some-health- c are-benefits.html?pagewanted=all

It was only 52% back in 2009. Lots of good info in the NYT there.


I guarantee you that senior management has excellent health benefits. I'd be very surprised if store managers/assistant managers didn't receive good benefits as well, but I could be wrong. Who would work at that level without a decent benefits package? Oh wait a minute, maybe it's whatsisname who's paying $12,400 a year thanks to Obamacare.
 
2014-01-13 02:40:50 PM  

clambam: kidgenius: clambam: The Most Uninteresting Man in the World: What are the odds that Walmart's plan was as cheap as it currently is and covered as much as it currently does BEFORE the ACA?

Actually I'd be pretty certain Walmart's insurance plan was excellent before the ACA. After all, you want to retain middle managers and above, and they're the ones who work enough hours to merit health insurance. The issue isn't the quality of insurance offered by the largest employer in the country, it's the percentage of employees who qualify for that coverage, and that remains very small compared to overall staffing.

According to this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/business/wal-mart-cuts-some-health- c are-benefits.html?pagewanted=all

It was only 52% back in 2009. Lots of good info in the NYT there.

I guarantee you that senior management has excellent health benefits. I'd be very surprised if store managers/assistant managers didn't receive good benefits as well, but I could be wrong. Who would work at that level without a decent benefits package? Oh wait a minute, maybe it's whatsisname who's paying $12,400 a year thanks to Obamacare.


I bet everyone on the corporate side, buyers, supply chain people, etc., all have excellent coverage.
 
2014-01-13 02:41:37 PM  
Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama
 
2014-01-13 02:44:57 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans


FoxNews has been telling you that Democrats have been telling us.....  there, better.
 
2014-01-13 02:46:17 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


That's some quality trolling,  I'm guessing you get like 1.75 cny per hour.   Hopefully you don't get relocated to the labor and education cap you deserve.
 
2014-01-13 02:46:30 PM  

netcentric: Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama


Yes. It is Obama's fault governors and insurance commissioners in red states offer crappy plans.

/my crappy red state plan is slightly less crappy than the one I got in the wild free market a few years ago.
 
2014-01-13 02:47:13 PM  

netcentric: Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama


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2014-01-13 02:48:04 PM  

kidgenius: Mikey1969: SlothB77: Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.

Well, to those employees who 'qualify', of course...

Funny how you(And TFA) left that part out.

Further more, this is what the premium is that an individual pays. Walmart is subsidizing a not-insignificant portion of the entire premium, which allows them to offer a plan at a reasonable price.
Also, they can offer cheaper plans because they have a HUGE pool that they can provide to an insurance company. Give the exchanges time (years here people) and as the insurers figure out the risk pools, etc., rates may very well drop. The reason that the ACA plans are so expensive initially is due to uncertainty, which insurance companies absolute HATE.


That's exactly why i have such good insurance through my wife... If you work for a smaller company, then you have to have someone in the HR department that's a hell of a negotiator...
 
2014-01-13 02:48:21 PM  

netcentric: Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama


Please name one person who called it that and give a documented source as of the date.
 
2014-01-13 02:50:16 PM  

lennavan: Obama promised I could keep my doctor if I liked him.But then my doctor retired.WTF OBAMA WHY U LIEZ?


I recently heard this from my elderly father, without a hint of irony.
 
2014-01-13 02:52:40 PM  
So we have a choice, Subby? Oh wait, that's only if you are employed. Oh and if you are employed and your employer offers a health care plan.
 
2014-01-13 02:55:43 PM  

netcentric: Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama


Your aware they don't actually have to get plans only through the exchange, right?
 
2014-01-13 02:56:16 PM  

skyotter: lennavan: Obama promised I could keep my doctor if I liked him.But then my doctor retired.WTF OBAMA WHY U LIEZ?

I recently heard this from my elderly father, without a hint of irony.


Right now, EVERYTHING medical related people are using Obama as an excuse/thing to blame.   Apparently no doctor ever retired before Obama.
 
2014-01-13 02:56:35 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


Those democrats always coming around the house, trampling the shrubberies, yelling stuff like this in the windows when they see us.  Somebody should put a stop to it!
 
2014-01-13 03:02:41 PM  
And SlothB77 completely owns this thread.  10/10!
 
2014-01-13 03:03:36 PM  
Clearly, if employer-based plans are better, there's no reason to continue Obamacare.
 
2014-01-13 03:05:48 PM  

SlothB77: Fox News has been telling us that Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.


FTFY
 
2014-01-13 03:06:21 PM  

Rootus: And SlothB77 completely owns shiats all over this thread.  10/10!


ftfy
 
2014-01-13 03:06:26 PM  

Print'sNotDead: Had to borrow this from another Farker, but it needs to be here.


I, for one, am glad *that's* over.

I'm sure someone's already said this (long thread) but the Dems should have never caved on the public option.

/single payer would be better
 
2014-01-13 03:13:10 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: Print'sNotDead: Had to borrow this from another Farker, but it needs to be here.

I, for one, am glad *that's* over.

I'm sure someone's already said this (long thread) but the Dems should have never caved on the public option.

/single payer would be better


The public option wasn't removed to make the bill more palatable to Republicans, it was removed to make the bill more palatable to Democrats because the Blue Dogs weren't on board with a public option. I agree that the public option would be a better policy, but the choice wasn't between the ACA with public option and the ACA with no public option. The choice was ACA with no public option or no ACA at all.
 
2014-01-13 03:14:31 PM  

Danger Mouse: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Like doctors perform amputations because they get paid more?
Or if you like your insurance plan you can keep you insurance?

making things up like that?



Or things like
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
or
"Obamacare has done more damage to the USA then the swords of the Nazis,Soviets & terrorists combined."
or, do you mean things like
"Obama will be spending a whopping $200 million per day to visit to Mumbai."
 
2014-01-13 03:18:54 PM  

netcentric: Obamacare got called 'NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct pretty early on.

I think most people knew that the lower tier plans offere in Obamacare were poor quality, yet charged a higher peremium.

But people are willing to pay more and get less under Obamacare because they .... well, because Obama


Shutupshutup! We're back to calling it ACA now, just in case it becomes successful. If you like, you can also refer to it as Mitt Romney's plan.
 
2014-01-13 03:21:29 PM  

Lord_Baull: Danger Mouse: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Like doctors perform amputations because they get paid more?
Or if you like your insurance plan you can keep you insurance?

making things up like that?


Or things like
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
or
"Obamacare has done more damage to the USA then the swords of the Nazis,Soviets & terrorists combined."
or, do you mean things like
"Obama will be spending a whopping $200 million per day to visit to Mumbai."


Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?
 
2014-01-13 03:27:45 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


Every single day man, every single day. HIlarious.
 
2014-01-13 03:28:17 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: skyotter: lennavan: Obama promised I could keep my doctor if I liked him.But then my doctor retired.WTF OBAMA WHY U LIEZ?

I recently heard this from my elderly father, without a hint of irony.

Right now, EVERYTHING medical related people are using Obama as an excuse/thing to blame.   Apparently no doctor ever retired before Obama.



I liken the entire Obama presidency like this:
It's the bottom of the 7th, and the American Nationals pitcher GW Bush has so far done a pretty shiatty job in the game, down by 6-1 against the Corporate Warhawks. Obama asked to be brought in as relief, with the well-documented quote "Put me in coach, I can win the game!" The manager of the Nationals, one I.M. Public decides to give it a try, since it can't get any worse. Obama goes in and starts pitching a solid game, but unfortunately the shortstop is Beohner and the first baseman is McConnell, both of which refuse to give any effort to turn the game around, missing easy catches and throwing the ball wildly to teammates. When batting, Cruz insists on bunting and Ryan pops up to the catcher. So, the Nationals lose by 6-5, and we see the right side of the stands throwing bottles of beer at Obama shouting, "You lied to us! You said you could win the game!"
 
2014-01-13 03:30:37 PM  

Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?



I imagine somewhere around the cost of any other modern era president traveling to a foreign country as the single most powerful man on Earth.
 
2014-01-13 03:31:17 PM  

Lord_Baull: Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?


I imagine somewhere around the cost of any other modern era president traveling to a foreign country as the single most powerful man on Earth.



But I guess less than if he just landed his own plane on a nearby aircraft carrier.
 
2014-01-13 03:34:10 PM  

Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?


Probably about the same as any American president visiting a foreign country. Did we ever get any substantial evidence that the trip cost significantly more than that, besides claims that were proven to be baseless? Better yet, do these rhetorical questions ever hold water when you compare the answer to them to what the answer would be regarding any previous president during his administration?"

Are you ever not "just asking questions" and trying to get into pedantic pissing matches?
 
2014-01-13 03:34:44 PM  
Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!
 
2014-01-13 03:37:18 PM  

MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!


Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?
 
2014-01-13 03:41:06 PM  

Bloody William: Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?

Probably about the same as any American president visiting a foreign country. Did we ever get any substantial evidence that the trip cost significantly more than that, besides claims that were proven to be baseless? Better yet, do these rhetorical questions ever hold water when you compare the answer to them to what the answer would be regarding any previous president during his administration?"

Are you ever not "just asking questions" and trying to get into pedantic pissing matches?


I remember a time when a president making a diplomatic trip wasn't an issue.  I remember when a president could take a vacation without it becoming a scandal, despite having taken a fraction of the time as his predecessor.  I wonder what the difference is?
 
2014-01-13 03:42:04 PM  

ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?


Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.
 
2014-01-13 03:44:46 PM  

MrSplifferton: ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?

Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.


Yeah, I like the "fix actual problems" approach to things you've got here.  But "scrap everything and start again" polls better with teabaggers, so that's the "debate" we get.
 
2014-01-13 03:46:29 PM  

TNel: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Come again?  That has never been the selling point.  The point is people that are not eligible for health care and yes insurance companies and doctors/hospitals are pulling one over us.  You think it truely costs $10 a pill for tyenol in the ER?


You think providers have any say in how much you're charged for a pill? You farking idiot.
 
2014-01-13 03:47:04 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Bloody William: Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?

Probably about the same as any American president visiting a foreign country. Did we ever get any substantial evidence that the trip cost significantly more than that, besides claims that were proven to be baseless? Better yet, do these rhetorical questions ever hold water when you compare the answer to them to what the answer would be regarding any previous president during his administration?"

Are you ever not "just asking questions" and trying to get into pedantic pissing matches?

I remember a time when a president making a diplomatic trip wasn't an issue.  I remember when a president could take a vacation without it becoming a scandal, despite having taken a fraction of the time as his predecessor.  I wonder what the difference is?



I think it's because his wife has the audacity to spearhead a pet project to make American's healthy.
 
2014-01-13 03:48:36 PM  

Lord_Baull: UncomfortableSilence: Bloody William: Danger Mouse: Did we ever find out how much did that Mumbai trip cost?

Probably about the same as any American president visiting a foreign country. Did we ever get any substantial evidence that the trip cost significantly more than that, besides claims that were proven to be baseless? Better yet, do these rhetorical questions ever hold water when you compare the answer to them to what the answer would be regarding any previous president during his administration?"

Are you ever not "just asking questions" and trying to get into pedantic pissing matches?

I remember a time when a president making a diplomatic trip wasn't an issue.  I remember when a president could take a vacation without it becoming a scandal, despite having taken a fraction of the time as his predecessor.  I wonder what the difference is?


I think it's because his wife has the audacity to spearhead a pet project to make American's healthy.


ARUGULA!!!  Shut down everything.
 
2014-01-13 03:51:16 PM  

MrSplifferton: ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?

Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.


I'd actually really like that. I have employer-subsidized health coverage, and while it's great in terms of premiums I'd still love to have my own choices regarding how I'm covered beyond the few provided.
 
2014-01-13 03:52:28 PM  

Lord_Baull: I think it's because his wife has the audacity to spearhead a pet project to make American's healthy.


Americans. Plural doesn't use an apostrophe.
 
2014-01-13 03:56:16 PM  

Bloody William: MrSplifferton: ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?

Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.

I'd actually really like that. I have employer-subsidized health coverage, and while it's great in terms of premiums I'd still love to have my own choices regarding how I'm covered beyond the few provided.


The exchange in my state has 90 plans to choose from. If I were full time I would only have 3 choices.
 
2014-01-13 03:58:18 PM  

MrSplifferton: Bloody William: MrSplifferton: ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?

Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.

I'd actually really like that. I have employer-subsidized health coverage, and while it's great in terms of premiums I'd still love to have my own choices regarding how I'm covered beyond the few provided.

The exchange in my state has 90 plans to choose from. If I were full time I would only have 3 choices.


I'm stuck with Cigna, which already cost me some money by making me use the deductible last year, before all this stuff went into place, because a specialist who worked really well with me wasn't in-network. As it is, I'm finding another specialist, but I need to go through the irritation of finding one that works well for me (I decided the last year was a transitional period in terms of the specialist, since my deductible was already half-paid by the time I got the numbers back, so I ate the cost).
 
2014-01-13 03:59:21 PM  
UncomfortableSilence:

I remember a time when a president making a diplomatic trip wasn't an issue.  I remember when a president could take a vacation without it becoming a scandal, despite having taken a fraction of the time as his predecessor.  I wonder what the difference is?

You do? when?

i can recall just about the presidents taking crap about thier vacations.
 
2014-01-13 04:00:06 PM  

Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up


Actually, the proper term was 'craptastic'.

Or sometimes 'shiatty'.

but no, you never ragged on those plans Obamacare canceled.  Never at all.
 
2014-01-13 04:03:18 PM  
People tend to forget that Obamacare's website = Skymall for health plans.
 
2014-01-13 04:03:25 PM  

Bloody William: Lord_Baull: I think it's because his wife has the audacity to spearhead a pet project to make American's healthy.

Americans. Plural doesn't use an apostrophe.



That's what happens when I change what I was going to say, and don't care if there's a typo.
 
2014-01-13 04:04:23 PM  

Danger Mouse: UncomfortableSilence:

I remember a time when a president making a diplomatic trip wasn't an issue.  I remember when a president could take a vacation without it becoming a scandal, despite having taken a fraction of the time as his predecessor.  I wonder what the difference is?

You do? when?

i can recall just about the presidents taking crap about thier vacations.


Then show me comparable claims about Bush, or Clinton, or Bush, or Reagan, or farking Carter taking trips that cost $200 million and that they were outrageous and how dare they? farking back up your "I can recall," because I certainly goddamn can't.
 
2014-01-13 04:05:48 PM  

Bloody William: MrSplifferton: Bloody William: MrSplifferton: ikanreed: MrSplifferton: Why can't I pay for my ACA insurance with pre tax dollars?

/RAGE!!!

Actually, you should be able to, huh?  That's a good point.  Have you called your congressperson?

Add to that allowing employees to take their companies contribution to the health exchange.

Then, if you lose your job you don't lose your entire health network because your new company has a different health plan.

I'd actually really like that. I have employer-subsidized health coverage, and while it's great in terms of premiums I'd still love to have my own choices regarding how I'm covered beyond the few provided.

The exchange in my state has 90 plans to choose from. If I were full time I would only have 3 choices.

I'm stuck with Cigna, which already cost me some money by making me use the deductible last year, before all this stuff went into place, because a specialist who worked really well with me wasn't in-network. As it is, I'm finding another specialist, but I need to go through the irritation of finding one that works well for me (I decided the last year was a transitional period in terms of the specialist, since my deductible was already half-paid by the time I got the numbers back, so I ate the cost).


I had one of those garbage insurance plans that recruiting companies used to offer. For example, one medication was $180 generic, my prescription plan discounted it by 80...cents.

Medication for my wife (mental illness) and kids (eczema) cost about $1000/month. Now I pay 666/month premium and $10 for generic rx. Also out of pocket max is 1500/3000, which is a third of the oop for full time employees at my job.
 
2014-01-13 04:05:59 PM  

SlothB77: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Actually, the proper term was 'craptastic'.

Or sometimes 'shiatty'.

but no, you never ragged on those plans Obamacare canceled.  Never at all.


Those actually were specifically not employer plans, which were exempt.  (They also weren't private plans that had been unchanged for the past 4 years)
 
2014-01-13 04:06:00 PM  

SlothB77: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Actually, the proper term was 'craptastic'.

Or sometimes 'shiatty'.

but no, you never ragged on those plans Obamacare canceled.  Never at all.



This just in: Democrats = anonymous fark submitters
 
2014-01-13 04:06:39 PM  

Danger Mouse: i can recall just about the presidents taking crap about thier vacations.


The trip to India wasn't a vacation.
 
2014-01-13 04:07:01 PM  

Danger Mouse: i can recall just about the presidents taking crap about thier unprecedented amounts of vacation time during a war.

 
2014-01-13 04:09:02 PM  

MrSplifferton: Now I pay 666/month premium


PROOF OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST AND OBAMACARE IS HOW WE'LL ALL BE MARKED!
 
2014-01-13 04:10:24 PM  

Bender The Offender: You think providers have any say in how much you're charged for a pill? You farking idiot.


What?  How can you even get that when the talk was about price fixing from insurance companys and doctors?  The doctors inflate the cost of the pill knowing they will settle for a smaller amount.  Why go in saying "Hey this pill only cost me 1 cent" when you can say it costs $10 and then say "Ok I'll settle for $2 I guess".  Providers do have a say it's what the acceptable amount is and it's usually based off of medicare.    Some insurance pays more some pay less and the doctors will "eat" the cost.  Don't you look at your statements from the insurance company?  It clearly shows that you were billed X, insurance will only pay for Y, doctors office eats the rest.
 
2014-01-13 04:13:38 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Rootus: And SlothB77 completely owns shiats all over this thread.  10/10!

ftfy


No, his original was correct. Most of the thread has been spent either calling Sloth an idiot or disproving him instead of talking about the idiot in the article.

Successful threadjack is successful.
 
2014-01-13 04:13:48 PM  

SlothB77: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Actually, the proper term was 'craptastic'.

Or sometimes 'shiatty'.

but no, you never ragged on those plans Obamacare canceled.  Never at all.


SlothB77: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Actually, the proper term was 'craptastic'.

Or sometimes 'shiatty'.

but no, you never ragged on those plans Obamacare canceled.  Never at all.


So you say "employer plans" and then link to stories about individual plans and expect people not to notice?
 
2014-01-13 04:15:29 PM  

TNel: Bender The Offender: You think providers have any say in how much you're charged for a pill? You farking idiot.

What?  How can you even get that when the talk was about price fixing from insurance companys and doctors?  The doctors inflate the cost of the pill knowing they will settle for a smaller amount.  Why go in saying "Hey this pill only cost me 1 cent" when you can say it costs $10 and then say "Ok I'll settle for $2 I guess".  Providers do have a say it's what the acceptable amount is and it's usually based off of medicare.    Some insurance pays more some pay less and the doctors will "eat" the cost.  Don't you look at your statements from the insurance company?  It clearly shows that you were billed X, insurance will only pay for Y, doctors office eats the rest.


I can't tell if you're trying for Pocket Ninja-style satire, or if that was just the stupidest farking thing I read today.
 
2014-01-13 04:15:50 PM  

Bloody William: MrSplifferton: Now I pay 666/month premium

PROOF OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST AND OBAMACARE IS HOW WE'LL ALL BE MARKED!


I thought that it was discovered that the mark of the beast was 616. Anyways I got that response from a few coworkers I showed, however I don't think they were saying it tongue in cheek.
 
2014-01-13 04:20:01 PM  

MrSplifferton: Bloody William: MrSplifferton: Now I pay 666/month premium

PROOF OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST AND OBAMACARE IS HOW WE'LL ALL BE MARKED!

I thought that it was discovered that the mark of the beast was 616. Anyways I got that response from a few coworkers I showed, however I don't think they were saying it tongue in cheek.


They just hated numbers the ancient Babylonians liked(6, 360, 616).  It was like a biblical version of "freedom fries" petulant behavior.
 
2014-01-13 04:22:14 PM  

MrSplifferton: I thought that it was discovered that the mark of the beast was 616.


No, that's the Marvel universe's main reality designation.
 
2014-01-13 04:24:05 PM  

Bloody William: MrSplifferton: I thought that it was discovered that the mark of the beast was 616.

No, that's the Marvel universe's main reality designation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/616_%28number%29
 
2014-01-13 04:26:31 PM  

ikanreed: Bloody William: MrSplifferton: I thought that it was discovered that the mark of the beast was 616.

No, that's the Marvel universe's main reality designation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/616_%28number%29


Cool.
 
2014-01-13 04:33:25 PM  

ikanreed: Bloody William: MrSplifferton: I thought that it was discovered that the mark of the beast was 616.

No, that's the Marvel universe's main reality designation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/616_%28number%29


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth-616
 
2014-01-13 04:34:28 PM  

ikanreed: Bloody William: MrSplifferton: I thought that it was discovered that the mark of the beast was 616.

No, that's the Marvel universe's main reality designation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/616_%28number%29



Give me a break, lib. Next you'll be telling us the Sabbath falls on a Saturday.
Pfft.
 
2014-01-13 04:42:03 PM  

Bloody William: ikanreed: Bloody William: MrSplifferton: I thought that it was discovered that the mark of the beast was 616.

No, that's the Marvel universe's main reality designation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/616_%28number%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth-616


Give me some credit, I'm also a loser.  It's just that you said "No, [marvel stuff]" instead of "[marvel stuff]
 
2014-01-13 04:47:20 PM  
Wait, why are they comparing employer SUBSIDIZED health plans to individual UNSUBSIDIZED plans?
 
2014-01-13 04:58:38 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: Wait, why are they comparing employer SUBSIDIZED health plans to individual UNSUBSIDIZED plans?


Either they don't know the difference or they do and they are hoping their readers don't.
 
2014-01-13 05:00:41 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Well, to be fair, it is in Walmart's best interests to keep their chattle healthy. Free labor isn't free... or something.


They could care less about their Chattle. What the article fails to mention is Walmarts healthcare plan is only offered to FULL-TIME employees. Walmart stopped offering health insurance to part-time employees (working less than 30 hours per week) in 2013.  If some poor sob is lucky enough to land 40 permanent hours a week, he/she must work at least  six months before being eligible to purchase the company's primary health insurance.    How many full-time employees does Walmart really have relative to the Part-time employees (which are funded by the tax payer) again?
 
2014-01-13 05:25:11 PM  

Orange-Pippin: Bareefer Obonghit: Well, to be fair, it is in Walmart's best interests to keep their chattle healthy. Free labor isn't free... or something.

They could care less about their Chattle. What the article fails to mention is Walmarts healthcare plan is only offered to FULL-TIME employees. Walmart stopped offering health insurance to part-time employees (working less than 30 hours per week) in 2013.  If some poor sob is lucky enough to land 40 permanent hours a week, he/she must work at least  six months before being eligible to purchase the company's primary health insurance.    How many full-time employees does Walmart really have relative to the Part-time employees (which are funded by the tax payer) again?


6 months before being eligible? Is that even legal?

Did the executives have to wait 6 months to start their health insurance also?
 
2014-01-13 05:26:15 PM  

Bender The Offender: TNel: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Come again?  That has never been the selling point.  The point is people that are not eligible for health care and yes insurance companies and doctors/hospitals are pulling one over us.  You think it truely costs $10 a pill for tyenol in the ER?

You think providers have any say in how much you're charged for a pill? You farking idiot.


Actually they do.  My provider happened to misplace my insurance information so they sent me the 'real' bill for a visit and some tests.  The tab came in at just under $1000.  Several phone calls and 2 weeks later, the bill the insurance company paid was under $80.
So providers will charge whatever the FARK they want but insurance companies have a cap on what they will pay for each individual procedure.  This is the reason so many people had those crappy insurance plans, while they didn't have any actual insurance they put you on the insurance company's pay scale so your bill was less than 10% of what it would be without the plan.
 
2014-01-13 06:41:06 PM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


If you had to actually argue against reality, do you think it would be easier or more difficult than arguing against things that you make up?

Also, does it bother you at all that most people think you live in a world of your making that is a kaleidoscope of evil liberals that keep swirling around in your visions and always trying to "get you" for whatever that means?

Just talking that out, I figured out who you are:

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-13 09:37:18 PM  
"Big light in sky scheduled to appear in East! Sonic booms scare minority groups in sector B! And there's hamburger all over the highway in Mystic, Connecticut."

Those are the headlines. Now, for the rumors behind the news.
 
2014-01-13 09:58:33 PM  

theknuckler_33: SlothB77: Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up

Actually, the proper term was 'craptastic'.

Or sometimes 'shiatty'.

but no, you never ragged on those plans Obamacare canceled.  Never at all.

So you say "employer plans" and then link to stories about individual plans and expect people not to notice?


I don't think Sloth was trying to trick anyone, he just didn't know the difference himself.
 
2014-01-14 01:26:20 AM  
I've been comparing plans on the evil gub'mint website most of the evening, so of course I'm getting a kick...

Looks like I'll be saving over 150 a month.

THANKS, OBAMA!
 
2014-01-14 03:14:50 AM  

artifishy: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.

If you had to actually argue against reality, do you think it would be easier or more difficult than arguing against things that you make up?

Also, does it bother you at all that most people think you live in a world of your making that is a kaleidoscope of evil liberals that keep swirling around in your visions and always trying to "get you" for whatever that means?

Just talking that out, I figured out who you are:

[i.imgur.com image 720x576]


What's that from? I know I've seen it...
 
2014-01-14 07:08:55 AM  

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


*SSHHH*....the scary black man will be out of office 3 years from now, so just go back to sleep and don't worry your pointed little head. Drift off to slumberland and dream of Benghazi and Birth Certificates.
 
2014-01-14 07:18:09 AM  

UncomfortableSilence: I think it's because his wife has the audacity to spearhead a pet project to make American's healthy.

ARUGULA!!!  Shut down everything.


Obama used Grey Poupon on his hot dogs - he is truly history's greatest monster; even worse than Idi Amin, Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot combined.
 
2014-01-14 07:25:04 AM  

grumpfuff: DarwiOdrade: Rootus: And SlothB77 completely owns shiats all over this thread.  10/10!

ftfy

No, his original was correct. Most of the thread has been spent either calling Sloth an idiot or disproving him instead of talking about the idiot in the article.

Successful threadjack is successful.


Is threadjacking supposed to be some sort of strenuous accomplishment? Anyone can easily derail a thread just by posting pictures of hot chicks in skimpy outfits. Gosh, that is so difficult, isn't it?
 
2014-01-14 07:28:57 AM  

NateAsbestos: artifishy: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.

If you had to actually argue against reality, do you think it would be easier or more difficult than arguing against things that you make up?

Also, does it bother you at all that most people think you live in a world of your making that is a kaleidoscope of evil liberals that keep swirling around in your visions and always trying to "get you" for whatever that means?

Just talking that out, I figured out who you are:

[i.imgur.com image 720x576]

What's that from? I know I've seen it...


Bronson Pinchot (aka Cousin Balki from Perfect Strangers) in "The Langoliers". He was eaten at the end because the Langoliers were jealous that he was chewing more scenery than they were.
 
2014-01-14 08:42:52 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: grumpfuff: DarwiOdrade: Rootus: And SlothB77 completely owns shiats all over this thread.  10/10!

ftfy

No, his original was correct. Most of the thread has been spent either calling Sloth an idiot or disproving him instead of talking about the idiot in the article.

Successful threadjack is successful.

Is threadjacking supposed to be some sort of strenuous accomplishment? Anyone can easily derail a thread just by posting pictures of hot chicks in skimpy outfits. Gosh, that is so difficult, isn't it?


A known troll made an ignorant post. Instead of one or two people pointing out he was wrong, half the thread had to. Barely anyone said anything about the actual article.

If it wasn't a known troll, and they had used pictures of hot chicks, meh. Anyone can do that. But for a known troll to do it with obviously wrong statements?

someoneontheinternetiswrong.jpg
 
2014-01-14 10:04:05 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: UncomfortableSilence: I think it's because his wife has the audacity to spearhead a pet project to make American's healthy.

ARUGULA!!!  Shut down everything.

Obama used Grey Poupon on his hot dogs - he is truly history's greatest monster; even worse than Idi Amin, Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot combined.


And he ordered Twitter to let him use moar characters. #studyitout #stayinfromed
 
2014-01-14 04:45:19 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: NateAsbestos: artifishy: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.

If you had to actually argue against reality, do you think it would be easier or more difficult than arguing against things that you make up?

Also, does it bother you at all that most people think you live in a world of your making that is a kaleidoscope of evil liberals that keep swirling around in your visions and always trying to "get you" for whatever that means?

Just talking that out, I figured out who you are:

[i.imgur.com image 720x576]

What's that from? I know I've seen it...

Bronson Pinchot (aka Cousin Balki from Perfect Strangers) in "The Langoliers". He was eaten at the end because the Langoliers were jealous that he was chewing more scenery than they were.


Thaaaat's right. Nice.
 
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