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(Washington Examiner)   Crack conservative sleuth discovers employer-subsidized health plans can be cheaper than plans on the ACA Exchanges. Up next, that big orange thing in the sky, does it really provide light and heat?   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 129
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2014-01-13 10:57:21 AM
Nope.  not clicking on a site run by a Presbyterian church who wants to talk to me about the macroeconomics of health care.
 
2014-01-13 12:13:07 PM
Crack smoking conservative sleuth discovers...

FTFSubby
 
2014-01-13 01:06:31 PM
Hah. Author really did try to bring this up as if it were some big secret revelation.
 
2014-01-13 01:17:52 PM
Guys, did you know jobs are better than no jobs? It's crazy!
 
2014-01-13 01:26:55 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-13 01:28:48 PM
Uhh, whoever did their infographic isn't very good at counting. They said Wal Mart has 54 hospitals but only has 4.4 little hospitals in there.
 
2014-01-13 01:32:58 PM
No, that big orange thing in the sky is really just an orange party light.  Celestia has been trolling us all from the beginning of time.
 
2014-01-13 01:34:25 PM
Well, to be fair, it is in Walmart's best interests to keep their chattle healthy. Free labor isn't free... or something.
 
2014-01-13 01:34:28 PM
OK  - I had trouble loading that web page, but I think from what little I could see, that it was comparing available Wal-Mart employee plans to the exchange.  Well that is not the comparison.  See the problem is that a large number of their workforce is not eligible for company benefits such as that.  I read in several articles last year where in several states Wal-Mart employees lead other working poor in receiving Medicaid.

So the comparison is not between the Wal-Mart plan and the exchange but between nothing and the exchange.  I mean, you could take the Wal-Mart CEO's salary and say that Wal-Mart's pay is far above the national average income, so they pay their workers enough.

Am I missing something here?
 
2014-01-13 01:59:25 PM
Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.
 
2014-01-13 02:07:08 PM

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans


It's nice to just make things up
 
2014-01-13 02:08:55 PM

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


So we call all sign up for Walmart's plan?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 02:09:18 PM
SlothB77:

but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.

You have a point.  Who wants to be enslaved by the government like those poor oppressed Canadians?
 
2014-01-13 02:09:19 PM
So we should repeal ObamaCare because it's too expensive, and replace it with a law that says everyone must have employer-provided health insurance, and then we can watch as the savings roll in!

We good now?

// or we could have everyone in the same risk pool (with a "deep-pockets" end for the richers to have gold-plated orthodontia) and make everyone insured by virtue of the OMGTAXES they pay...
 
2014-01-13 02:09:51 PM
It's almost like the law was made for people with no access to employer provided health insurance.
 
2014-01-13 02:13:29 PM

SlothB77: Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


Well, to those employees who 'qualify', of course...

Funny how you(And TFA) left that part out.
 
2014-01-13 02:14:24 PM

Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up


THIS.

/won't click that link
 
2014-01-13 02:14:55 PM

Dr Dreidel: So we should repeal ObamaCare because it's too expensive, and replace it with a law that says everyone must have Walmart's employer-provided health insurance, and then we can watch as the savings roll in!


FTFY
 
2014-01-13 02:17:47 PM
Shocking.  A group health plan that your employer pays part of the costs for may cost you less than an individual plan where you have to pay the whole amount yourself.
 
2014-01-13 02:17:51 PM
What are the odds that Walmart's plan was as cheap as it currently is and covered as much as it currently does BEFORE the ACA?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 02:18:03 PM

Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up


And time I hear something like "Democrats told us" it always ends up being something that no Democrat has ever said as far as I can tell.
 
2014-01-13 02:18:18 PM

Dr Dreidel: So we should repeal ObamaCare because it's too expensive, and replace it with a law that says everyone must have employer-provided health insurance, and then we can watch as the savings roll in!

We good now?

// or we could have everyone in the same risk pool (with a "deep-pockets" end for the richers to have gold-plated orthodontia) and make everyone insured by virtue of the OMGTAXES they pay...


If I didn't know you weren't serious, I'd post a picture Bender laughing even harder.
 
2014-01-13 02:19:59 PM

enry: Crack smoking conservative sleuth discovers...

FTFSubby


So, Rob Ford is working for the Examiner now?
 
2014-01-13 02:20:48 PM

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.


Come again?  That has never been the selling point.  The point is people that are not eligible for health care and yes insurance companies and doctors/hospitals are pulling one over us.  You think it truely costs $10 a pill for tyenol in the ER?
 
2014-01-13 02:21:52 PM
Math???
 
2014-01-13 02:22:07 PM

Mikey1969: SlothB77: Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.

Well, to those employees who 'qualify', of course...

Funny how you(And TFA) left that part out.


Further more, this is what the premium is that an individual pays. Walmart is subsidizing a not-insignificant portion of the entire premium, which allows them to offer a plan at a reasonable price.
Also, they can offer cheaper plans because they have a HUGE pool that they can provide to an insurance company. Give the exchanges time (years here people) and as the insurers figure out the risk pools, etc., rates may very well drop. The reason that the ACA plans are so expensive initially is due to uncertainty, which insurance companies absolute HATE.
 
2014-01-13 02:22:26 PM

TNel: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Come again?  That has never been the selling point.  The point is people that are not eligible for health care and yes insurance companies and doctors/hospitals are pulling one over us.  You think it truely costs $10 a pill for tyenol in the ER?


Forget it, Jake. He's dumber than a box of hair.
 
2014-01-13 02:22:29 PM

Moosecakes: SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans

It's nice to just make things up


Like doctors perform amputations because they get paid more?
Or if you like your insurance plan you can keep you insurance?

making things up like that?
 
2014-01-13 02:22:30 PM
Had to borrow this from another Farker, but it needs to be here.img.fark.net
 
2014-01-13 02:22:33 PM

The Most Uninteresting Man in the World: What are the odds that Walmart's plan was as cheap as it currently is and covered as much as it currently does BEFORE the ACA?


Actually I'd be pretty certain Walmart's insurance plan was excellent before the ACA. After all, you want to retain middle managers and above, and they're the ones who work enough hours to merit health insurance. The issue isn't the quality of insurance offered by the largest employer in the country, it's the percentage of employees who qualify for that coverage, and that remains very small compared to overall staffing.
 
2014-01-13 02:22:45 PM

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.



Its hard to compare. The numbers provided in the article are misleading. They compare healthcare.gov unsubsidized prices to Walmarts subsidized prices. Then they compare a local BlueChoice network (which does suck, I've used bluechoice before), that covers only 28 Hospitals in the Upper East Coast, which is where their provider network exist. If you are traveling they WILL cover ER services anywhere.
Walmart which uses a National network covers 54 Hospitals in the ENTIRE US. That is arguably less hospital coverage per city than BlueChoice I'd be willing to bet.  I assume Walmart also covers traveling emergencies as well??? Either way, they are comparing a local network to a national network for non emergency hospital treatment??
 
2014-01-13 02:23:42 PM

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.


Good points. Let's force all companies to provide insurance for workers so they don't have to be on Obamacare!!

You're for that then right?
 
2014-01-13 02:24:00 PM
I heard that all non-obamacare plans were crap. so yeah, they would be cheaper.
 
2014-01-13 02:24:04 PM

SlothB77: And the truth? Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


I do not live near a WalMart that is hiring and I currently do not work for them, can I still buy a plan through them?

You cannot be this stupids, please for the love of all that is holy tell me you see the flaw in your logic.
 
2014-01-13 02:27:04 PM

Danger Mouse: Like doctors perform amputations because they get paid more?
Or if you like your insurance plan you can keep you insurance?

making things up like that?


Obama promised I could keep my doctor if I liked him.
But then my doctor retired.

WTF OBAMA WHY U LIEZ?
 
2014-01-13 02:28:01 PM

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


In fairness to Sloth, some of the employer plans have been substandard, fortunately those employers who offered these substandard plans no longer can offer them and claim a tax break for them (I think they still can offer them but the disincentive of making them non deductible as well as next year hitting the employer with a fine if they have more than 50 employees will cause most of these plans to disappear).The truth is that to it's executives Walmart may offer better health care, to the peons stocking the shelves I think Walmart is happy to let the employees qualify for Medicade.
 
2014-01-13 02:28:01 PM
 SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.



I don't think "the truth" means what you think it means...

And probably you don't want to be using Wal-Mart as a stellar example of a company providing Health Care Coverage for it's employees... try a little less Sloth and a little more Google perhaps?
 
2014-01-13 02:28:02 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: No, that big orange thing in the sky is really just an orange party light.  Celestia has been trolling us all from the beginning of time.


th03.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-13 02:28:19 PM

colon_pow: I heard that all non-obamacare plans were crap.


No, that never happened.
 
2014-01-13 02:29:29 PM

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 500x303]


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
You're amazing. You figured this all out already?
 
2014-01-13 02:29:35 PM
I remember reading some posts from creation scientists that say that life could not have evolved on Earth because it would require some kind of external energy source.  This suggests that they believe that the big orange thing in the sky doesn't provide light and heat.
 
2014-01-13 02:30:41 PM
I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this revelation. Go get a job as a Walmart stock boy to stick it to Obamacare?
 
2014-01-13 02:31:48 PM

clambam: The Most Uninteresting Man in the World: What are the odds that Walmart's plan was as cheap as it currently is and covered as much as it currently does BEFORE the ACA?

Actually I'd be pretty certain Walmart's insurance plan was excellent before the ACA. After all, you want to retain middle managers and above, and they're the ones who work enough hours to merit health insurance. The issue isn't the quality of insurance offered by the largest employer in the country, it's the percentage of employees who qualify for that coverage, and that remains very small compared to overall staffing.


According to this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/business/wal-mart-cuts-some-health- c are-benefits.html?pagewanted=all

It was only 52% back in 2009. Lots of good info in the NYT there.
 
2014-01-13 02:32:11 PM

sdd2000: The truth is that to it's executives Walmart may offer better health care, to the peons stocking the shelves I think Walmart is happy to let the employees qualify for Medicade.


Hell, Pre-ACA several States sued Wal-Mart for being so happy to let their employees obtain their Health Care Coverage through the Government.
 
2014-01-13 02:32:45 PM
The big orange thing in the sky shot a huge solar flare at Earth recently.

Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-01-13 02:34:19 PM

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


That wouldn't stem at all from their status as 'the nation's largest employer' would it?  Yah know...in case you wanted to say...negotiate lower rates...or have a larger risk pool....gee, that COULDN'T have anything to do with it....could it?
 
2014-01-13 02:35:37 PM
http://www.fark.com/comments/8090052/88581287#c88581287

I asked a week ago when this stupid "study" would get traction.

Took a bit longer than I thought.


But HRA's ==== insurance to morons.
 
2014-01-13 02:36:39 PM

Glenford: enry: Crack smoking conservative sleuth discovers...

FTFSubby

So, Rob Ford is working for the Examiner now?


I think it would improve their writing quality.
 
2014-01-13 02:36:45 PM

SlothB77: Democrats have been telling us all this time that we have substandard employer plans and insurance companies are pulling one over on us.

Also, democrats have been telling us all this time that Wal Mart offers substandard benefits and screws over their employees.

And the truth?  Wal Mart offers a better health plan at a lower cost than TheOnebamacare.


but hey, government can't amass more control and power if everyone is on Wal Mart's plan.  So, you gotta demonize them.


Well, you successfully derailed the thread, so I'll give you that.

/also "TheOnebamacare"? lol
 
2014-01-13 02:37:55 PM

kidgenius: clambam: The Most Uninteresting Man in the World: What are the odds that Walmart's plan was as cheap as it currently is and covered as much as it currently does BEFORE the ACA?

Actually I'd be pretty certain Walmart's insurance plan was excellent before the ACA. After all, you want to retain middle managers and above, and they're the ones who work enough hours to merit health insurance. The issue isn't the quality of insurance offered by the largest employer in the country, it's the percentage of employees who qualify for that coverage, and that remains very small compared to overall staffing.

According to this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/business/wal-mart-cuts-some-health- c are-benefits.html?pagewanted=all

It was only 52% back in 2009. Lots of good info in the NYT there.


I guarantee you that senior management has excellent health benefits. I'd be very surprised if store managers/assistant managers didn't receive good benefits as well, but I could be wrong. Who would work at that level without a decent benefits package? Oh wait a minute, maybe it's whatsisname who's paying $12,400 a year thanks to Obamacare.
 
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