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(The Week)   Japan's population crisis is due to not enough farking and too many Farkers   (theweek.com) divider line 48
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2014-01-13 09:14:04 AM
The Japanese fark. A lot. They just can't afford kids.

So, when you do get knocked up it's the "1000 dollar condom" of abortion.
 
2014-01-13 09:20:38 AM
Let's get to work boys.

i585.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-13 09:22:57 AM
WTF did I just read
 
2014-01-13 09:25:20 AM
 
2014-01-13 09:44:22 AM
I thought it was due to the fact that the women don't have massive tits, a waste the size of a can of soda, spikey blond hair, cat ears, and all under the age of 16. Hey, a Japanese man has to have standards.

On that note, I would gladly sacrifice my life here in America to move to Japan and help the population rebuild.
 
2014-01-13 09:48:50 AM
Who said that population is supposed to grow? I'm doing my part by not having any kids and have no qualms about it. Just because it's a tradition, doesn't mean it's a good tradition.
 
2014-01-13 09:55:59 AM

whosits_112: I thought it was due to the fact that the women don't have massive tits, a waste the size of a can of soda, spikey blond hair, cat ears, and all under the age of 16. Hey, a Japanese man has to have standards.

On that note, I would gladly sacrifice my life here in America to move to Japan and help the population rebuild.


I was in Japan last week.  From what I saw, I don't think Japanese woman can tell westerns apart. I saw amazing looking Japanese woman with some ugly western dudes.  I just came back and can't wait to go again.

On a positive note, from my limited field research Japanese woman get hammered just like the men.
 
2014-01-13 09:56:58 AM

zyrian: Who said that population is supposed to grow? I'm doing my part by not having any kids and have no qualms about it. Just because it's a tradition, doesn't mean it's a good tradition.


Government funding and social safety nets (pensions, health care, social security, unemployment insurance, etc) are predicated upon stable, populations and a certain ratio of worker to retiree.  That ratio's getting screwed up of aging populations, lack of even maintenance-level procreation, and a complete lack of immigration in Japan.
 
2014-01-13 10:02:49 AM

physt: whosits_112: I thought it was due to the fact that the women don't have massive tits, a waste the size of a can of soda, spikey blond hair, cat ears, and all under the age of 16. Hey, a Japanese man has to have standards.

On that note, I would gladly sacrifice my life here in America to move to Japan and help the population rebuild.

I was in Japan last week.  From what I saw, I don't think Japanese woman can tell westerns apart. I saw amazing looking Japanese woman with some ugly western dudes.  I just came back and can't wait to go again.

On a positive note, from my limited field research Japanese woman get hammered just like the men.


So you are saying that the Japs think the Yanks all look alike? Sign me up!
/Yellow Fever!
 
2014-01-13 10:16:13 AM

whosits_112: physt: whosits_112: I thought it was due to the fact that the women don't have massive tits, a waste the size of a can of soda, spikey blond hair, cat ears, and all under the age of 16. Hey, a Japanese man has to have standards.

On that note, I would gladly sacrifice my life here in America to move to Japan and help the population rebuild.

I was in Japan last week.  From what I saw, I don't think Japanese woman can tell westerns apart. I saw amazing looking Japanese woman with some ugly western dudes.  I just came back and can't wait to go again.

On a positive note, from my limited field research Japanese woman get hammered just like the men.

So you are saying that the Japs think the Yanks all look alike? Sign me up!
/Yellow Fever!


The girls were awesome.  They don't show any cleavage whatsoever but many wore tiny skirts with high heeled boots leaving their thighs exposed.  Didn't realize I was such a leg man!
 
2014-01-13 10:17:59 AM

Lexx: zyrian: Who said that population is supposed to grow? I'm doing my part by not having any kids and have no qualms about it. Just because it's a tradition, doesn't mean it's a good tradition.

Government funding and social safety nets (pensions, health care, social security, unemployment insurance, etc) are predicated upon stable, populations and a certain ratio of worker to retiree.  That ratio's getting screwed up of aging populations, lack of even maintenance-level procreation, and a complete lack of immigration in Japan.


Japan might get more immigration if they actually didn't make it a nightmare to immigrate there, and if Japan as a whole just stopped treating foreigners like shiat.  Japan is pretty well known as being the nicest racist country you could visit.

As for the population issue... I'm not sure if that's much of an issue.  Sure, they'll have to recalculate their taxes and whatnot, but Japan was pretty much out of room.  They were trying to make artificial islands to sustain their population not too long ago.  Sure less people means you have to destroy a lot of housing, but that also means you have more farmland.  Japan is not by any means a self-sustaining country and their massive debt proves it.  If they make the changes necessary to handle the drop in population it might actually help them.
 
2014-01-13 10:22:56 AM

LewDux: Link


Just me, but it's like the singing completely doesn't match the music.  I can only assume everyone is there to look up the ladies' skirts.
 
2014-01-13 10:22:59 AM

quiotu: Lexx: zyrian: Who said that population is supposed to grow? I'm doing my part by not having any kids and have no qualms about it. Just because it's a tradition, doesn't mean it's a good tradition.

Government funding and social safety nets (pensions, health care, social security, unemployment insurance, etc) are predicated upon stable, populations and a certain ratio of worker to retiree.  That ratio's getting screwed up of aging populations, lack of even maintenance-level procreation, and a complete lack of immigration in Japan.

Japan might get more immigration if they actually didn't make it a nightmare to immigrate there, and if Japan as a whole just stopped treating foreigners like shiat.  Japan is pretty well known as being the nicest racist country you could visit.

As for the population issue... I'm not sure if that's much of an issue.  Sure, they'll have to recalculate their taxes and whatnot, but Japan was pretty much out of room.  They were trying to make artificial islands to sustain their population not too long ago.  Sure less people means you have to destroy a lot of housing, but that also means you have more farmland.  Japan is not by any means a self-sustaining country and their massive debt proves it.  If they make the changes necessary to handle the drop in population it might actually help them.


I was thinking that the population would drop over the next several decades, then start to level off, once the men over there stopped being introverted, overworked, metrosexual weirdos. Just takes time for these things to balance out.
 
2014-01-13 10:38:25 AM
Probably because Japanese girls sound like they're screaming in pain when they have sex...

On another note, if the Japanese government really wants to fix their population problem I offer this solution...

Encourage either foreigners to knock up their girls (they'd be against this since they're so nationalist about their identity), or offer to give X amount to help raise the kids, regardless of who the ultimate parent is, allow this for up to three kid per couple. Or hell, even be perfectly fine if someone (male or female) wants to raise kids and get into a agreement with another man/women to agree to have a kid together even if the other leaves immediately.
 
2014-01-13 10:41:42 AM
I'll happily offer up myself to assist Japan with their population problem. Match me up with a cute girl, and I'm good to go.

...as long as their culture stops being so waisis to Gaijin.

Seriously, the number of anecdotal stories I've heard about Japanese xenophobia are verging on becoming data.
 
2014-01-13 10:47:41 AM

zyrian: Who said that population is supposed to grow?


The people behind almost every economic theory of the past fifty years, and many of the economic theories of the fifty before that. You'd be hard pressed to find a government that hasn't built its economic plan around, at the absolute least, a blend of theories that includes some dependency on the fact of population growth. Some go a lot more hardcore than that.
 
2014-01-13 10:47:44 AM

KellyX: Probably because Japanese girls sound like they're screaming in pain when they have sex...

On another note, if the Japanese government really wants to fix their population problem I offer this solution...

Encourage either foreigners to knock up their girls (they'd be against this since they're so nationalist about their identity), or offer to give X amount to help raise the kids, regardless of who the ultimate parent is, allow this for up to three kid per couple. Or hell, even be perfectly fine if someone (male or female) wants to raise kids and get into a agreement with another man/women to agree to have a kid together even if the other leaves immediately.


Never dated a Japanese girl, but was with a Korean for a while, and though it didn't sound like she was in pain, she was a screamer and a moaner. Hot damn did that rev the engines.

/VROOM VROOM!
 
2014-01-13 10:52:18 AM
lh3.ggpht.com
 
2014-01-13 10:54:04 AM

Lexx: zyrian: Who said that population is supposed to grow? I'm doing my part by not having any kids and have no qualms about it. Just because it's a tradition, doesn't mean it's a good tradition.

Government funding and social safety nets (pensions, health care, social security, unemployment insurance, etc) are predicated upon stable, populations and a certain ratio of worker to retiree.  That ratio's getting screwed up of aging populations, lack of even maintenance-level procreation, and a complete lack of immigration in Japan.


So, a pyramid scheme?
 
2014-01-13 11:10:20 AM

LemSkroob: So, a pyramid scheme?


...how else do you create profit?
 
2014-01-13 11:40:06 AM
The article points out the problem is economic.  It's the inevitable collapse of a growth based economy.  Their population density is too high, and it's costing people their will to continue the system.
 
2014-01-13 11:40:23 AM

LemSkroob: Lexx: zyrian: Who said that population is supposed to grow? I'm doing my part by not having any kids and have no qualms about it. Just because it's a tradition, doesn't mean it's a good tradition.

Government funding and social safety nets (pensions, health care, social security, unemployment insurance, etc) are predicated upon stable, populations and a certain ratio of worker to retiree.  That ratio's getting screwed up of aging populations, lack of even maintenance-level procreation, and a complete lack of immigration in Japan.

So, a pyramid scheme?


Yes, actually.  Same thing that happens in America.  Social Security being screwed isn't really about mismanagement, its about the simple fact that the baby boomers are retiring and there are more people drawing on the services than there are paying into it.

Everybody says "I paid my SS taxes, where's my check?" and don't seem to realize that the money they paid into it wasn't going into some magic bank account for them, it was paying off the people already in it.  If there aren't enough young people paying into the system, it can't cover the older people drawing from it.

Like Obamacare, it has to have young healthy people paying into it to pay for those drawing from it.
 
2014-01-13 11:47:45 AM
This article is pretty iffy in some ways - the hikkikomori issue is something every culture has, but the numbers are small both absolutely and in percentage. One guy claimed there were a million of them, it became a media fad, then they actually studied it and there were much fewer.

As for "crisis", not really, just a slowly declining population like most developed countries. Getting back to historic norms is hardly a crisis. Yeah, there will be a lot of old people for while.

The article did hit the main issues - economic and social forces killing marriage and childbirth. Though the dating thing is also a bit incomplete. Japan traditionally had yobai, where dudes would sneak over to a girl's house at night - that practice was probably already limited to the country by the Edo era, and went extinct in the 20th century. Arrainged marriage is also a bit of a misnomer, wealthy families had it but mostly people used matchmakers or more recently companies that basically set up dates.

Japan also has lots of prostitution, which makes not dating much easier.
 
2014-01-13 12:20:49 PM

quiotu: As for the population issue... I'm not sure if that's much of an issue.  Sure, they'll have to recalculate their taxes and whatnot, but Japan was pretty much out of room.  They were trying to make artificial islands to sustain their population not too long ago.  Sure less people means you have to destroy a lot of housing, but that also means you have more farmland.  Japan is not by any means a self-sustaining country and their massive debt proves it.  If they make the changes necessary to handle the drop in population it might actually help them.


Maybe Japan doesn't need to grow its own food. They import $16 billion in U.S. agricultural products each year, but the US-Japan trade balance is $67 billion/year in Japan's favor. I don't need to grow my own food; I can afford to buy it.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/international-markets-trade/countries -r egions/japan/trade.aspx#.UtQe5ZDI9NB
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5880.html
 
2014-01-13 12:28:22 PM

LewDux: Link


Wow I think Japanese musicians completely misunderstood the concept of trash metal music everything.
 
2014-01-13 12:57:10 PM

adamatari: This article is pretty iffy in some ways - the hikkikomori issue is something every culture has...


I'm not sure I'd go that far. Every culture has its NEETs, to be sure, but it is hard to imagine them becoming common and connected enough in most cultures to form their own subculture. Japan's did, and has gained enough traction to achieve a sort of semi-open status. The US is developing one, though it lags Japan's by a few years, and for the time being is it still mostly underground. In time I suspect it will become the new face of welfare abuse.

, but the numbers are small both absolutely and in percentage. One guy claimed there were a million of them, it became a media fad, then they actually studied it and there were much fewer.

Some 700,000, according to that study. Plus another 1.5-million-ish thought to be "at risk" for becoming such. That puts the "1 million" figure off by some 30%, but in a country of just over 125 million, it's still cause for alarm.
 
2014-01-13 01:26:17 PM

Edymnion: LemSkroob: Lexx: zyrian: Who said that population is supposed to grow? I'm doing my part by not having any kids and have no qualms about it. Just because it's a tradition, doesn't mean it's a good tradition.

Government funding and social safety nets (pensions, health care, social security, unemployment insurance, etc) are predicated upon stable, populations and a certain ratio of worker to retiree.  That ratio's getting screwed up of aging populations, lack of even maintenance-level procreation, and a complete lack of immigration in Japan.

So, a pyramid scheme?

Yes, actually.  Same thing that happens in America.  Social Security being screwed isn't really about mismanagement, its about the simple fact that the baby boomers are retiring and there are more people drawing on the services than there are paying into it.

Everybody says "I paid my SS taxes, where's my check?" and don't seem to realize that the money they paid into it wasn't going into some magic bank account for them, it was paying off the people already in it.  If there aren't enough young people paying into the system, it can't cover the older people drawing from it.

Like Obamacare, it has to have young healthy people paying into it to pay for those drawing from it.


And then long-term, you get to have serious issues because you're siphoning off all the young people's money and shipping it to Grandma.  So they aren't buying houses (that don't exist in the places where they want to be because *yay* anti-growth zoning and total lack of new infrastructure because NIMBY's), or doing all the things that could drive them out of the poor house.

Of course, once Grandma's dead, they've gotten a couple of raises/promotions/job switches, the student loans are paid off, and they're on the upside of Obamacare, then the economy will go NUTS because they're looking at $20K/year that they have no farking clue what to do with.

/And NCLB/pensions
//Seriously, my home state cut the college subsidy in half, but is still spending the exact same percentage of GDP on education.  How the fark does that work?
 
2014-01-13 01:31:43 PM
I'll be the last person to deny that Japan has more than its fair share of socially stunted man-children who aren't expressing a healthy desire to grow up and have a real relationship with a fellow meat-puppet (female or male).

BUT - articles like this never get to the next level of explaining WHY.  There are some very good reasons, with very normal and real-world explanations that could be usefully addressed with policy changes.

A few:

1) Extremely stratified educational advancement opportunities, with corresponding stratification of the job market.  If you fall off track at any point (for having a kid, let's say) then you can't recover.  So people don't want to have kids.

2) Overall drop in income levels compared to costs of living.  Single people can't afford their own places, let alone a house you can raise a kid in.  If you can't provide for a kid, it's easier to just not have one.  It also leads to a lot of problems in having healthy adult relationships if you're in Mom+Dad's house and can't afford your own place.

Once you accept those starting points, then the rather bizarre places that folks end up in socially and culturally start making more sense.  It's an out-growth of being denied access to the "normal" roles in society, so they make their own.
 
2014-01-13 02:08:29 PM

cefm: Once you accept those starting points, then the rather bizarre places that folks end up in socially and culturally start making more sense.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-13 02:08:32 PM

stuhayes2010: Let's get to work boys.

[i585.photobucket.com image 550x778]


Someone gets what this page is 'sposed to be 'bout.
 
2014-01-13 02:20:39 PM
Well, if they would stop drinking the semen instead of gettng fertilized they wouldnt have this problem!

/has seen a documentary or two on this.
 
2014-01-13 03:05:22 PM

whosits_112: I thought it was due to the fact that the women don't have massive tits, a waste the size of a can of soda, spikey blond hair, cat ears, and all under the age of 16. Hey, a Japanese man has to have standards.

On that note, I would gladly sacrifice my life here in America to move to Japan and help the population rebuild.


A turd the size of a can of soda coming from a tiny Asian chick would be frightening.
 
2014-01-13 03:12:37 PM

Fano: whosits_112: I thought it was due to the fact that the women don't have massive tits, a waste the size of a can of soda, spikey blond hair, cat ears, and all under the age of 16. Hey, a Japanese man has to have standards.

On that note, I would gladly sacrifice my life here in America to move to Japan and help the population rebuild.

A turd the size of a can of soda coming from a tiny Asian chick would be frightening.


On that note, I fail. But, yes, that is a very frightening image. She would be hired for the newest German scheise flick!
 
2014-01-13 03:29:42 PM

whosits_112: I was thinking that the population would drop over the next several decades, then start to level off, once the men over there stopped being introverted, overworked, metrosexual weirdos. Just takes time for these things to balance out.


It is evolution in action. In a few decades the non-breeders will die out and the people who manage to snag a date will keep going. This social selection will lead to a pretty drastic attitude change in the coming generations.
 
2014-01-13 03:34:20 PM

DerAppie: whosits_112: I was thinking that the population would drop over the next several decades, then start to level off, once the men over there stopped being introverted, overworked, metrosexual weirdos. Just takes time for these things to balance out.

It is evolution in action. In a few decades the non-breeders will die out and the people who manage to snag a date will keep going. This social selection will lead to a pretty drastic attitude change in the coming generations.



www.the-two-malcontents.com
Hopefully that means that these losers die off for good...
 
2014-01-13 03:50:29 PM

stuhayes2010: Let's get to work boys.

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Reporting for duty!
 
2014-01-13 10:35:11 PM
Maybe if they stop being such a bunch of misogynistic douche-bags.  It doesn't surprise me that even the hotties over there will date an ugly foreigner.  At least they get conversation, respect, and the idea that they can continue their career even if they got married.
 
2014-01-13 10:44:24 PM
Sign me up!
 
2014-01-13 11:06:49 PM
Is this a farkable Japanese girl thread? Oh, you mean neither of those exist? Right.
 
2014-01-13 11:25:10 PM

KellyX: Probably because Japanese girls sound like they're screaming in pain when they have sex...


Oh yeah... tell me more...
 
2014-01-14 12:08:58 AM
why do they call it yellow fever?  japanese people are not yellow!


also, is this thread where foreigners can call dibs?

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/relevant to my interests
 
2014-01-14 12:31:57 AM

DerAppie: whosits_112: I was thinking that the population would drop over the next several decades, then start to level off, once the men over there stopped being introverted, overworked, metrosexual weirdos. Just takes time for these things to balance out.

It is evolution in action. In a few decades the non-breeders will die out and the people who manage to snag a date will keep going. This social selection will lead to a pretty drastic attitude change in the coming generations.


That's not how evolution or human psychology works.
 
2014-01-14 01:18:35 AM
All joking aside, it actually gives me hope.  It really does seem that from the examples of Japan and some European countries, humans very well may self-regulate their population once resources (land, cost of living, social structures) become scarce and strained enough.  Maybe, just maybe, we'll one day hit some kind of sustainable equilibrium and not just fark our own species out of existence.

...maybe.
 
2014-01-14 01:24:06 AM
Hopefully they can recover from this. The Japanese have contributed to improving humanities lot. As time marches on I hope they have the young adaptive minds born to help them continue. We need great minds as our challenges continue to be vast.
 
2014-01-14 01:31:26 AM
Yeah it looks like logarithmic growth Malthus was wrong. We still got the population boom when people were still having 13 children and antibiotics and improved agriculture led to the infant mortality rate dropping. Now the higest birth rates peak out about 7. Every country has declined some are just below replacement rate
 
2014-01-14 02:37:47 AM

llortcM_yllort: DerAppie: whosits_112: I was thinking that the population would drop over the next several decades, then start to level off, once the men over there stopped being introverted, overworked, metrosexual weirdos. Just takes time for these things to balance out.

It is evolution in action. In a few decades the non-breeders will die out and the people who manage to snag a date will keep going. This social selection will lead to a pretty drastic attitude change in the coming generations.

That's not how evolution or human psychology works.


All joking aside, are you claiming that there isn't a genetic component to personality?
 
2014-01-14 08:14:20 AM
physt:
The girls were awesome.  They don't show any cleavage whatsoever but many wore tiny skirts with high heeled boots leaving their thighs exposed.  Didn't realize I was such a leg man!


Maybe because that's all there was to look at? If you were in Italy, you'd be a breast man and if you were in Miami Beach you'd be an ass man.


/In Brazil, you'd be EVERYTHING. No offense to the other most-beautiful-women contenders like France, Sweden or Montreal, but Brazil has it all.
 
2014-01-14 09:01:59 AM

bill4935: physt:
The girls were awesome.  They don't show any cleavage whatsoever but many wore tiny skirts with high heeled boots leaving their thighs exposed.  Didn't realize I was such a leg man!


Maybe because that's all there was to look at? If you were in Italy, you'd be a breast man and if you were in Miami Beach you'd be an ass man.


/In Brazil, you'd be EVERYTHING. No offense to the other most-beautiful-women contenders like France, Sweden or Montreal, but Brazil has it all.


Yes, I agree.  You are right. That was all they displayed so that's all I could enjoy.

How is Brazil for Americans?  Do they like bald, older guys?
 
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