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(Telegraph)   Wait a second, are you trying to tell me that couples who don't have to sacrifice their careers and end their social lives so they can raise needy, hyper, money-sucking crotch fruit are happier than couples who do?   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 382
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2014-01-13 07:36:58 AM  
Someone should have told subby's mom.
 
2014-01-13 07:42:20 AM  
Unlikely? I think it's very likely
 
2014-01-13 07:44:28 AM  
I'm 42 with no kids. Every time I go out for drinks with my married-with-kids friends, they're all "Omigod you don't know what you're missing, children are wonderful!".

3 to 4 beers in and I'm a genius , and they'd trade with me in a second. 2 beers later I should thank God for my "freedom".

I like kids, more since I see them rarely, and escape is always possible.
 
2014-01-13 07:48:27 AM  

jakomo002: I'm 42 with no kids. Every time I go out for drinks with my married-with-kids friends, they're all "Omigod you don't know what you're missing, children are wonderful!".

3 to 4 beers in and I'm a genius , and they'd trade with me in a second. 2 beers later I should thank God for my "freedom".

I like kids, more since I see them rarely, and escape is always possible.


It just depends on what type of person you are. If you are a selfish coont, then yes, kids can be a pain and get in the way of your social life. If you are satisified with your choice of a partner and the two of you are on the same page when it comes to parenting, the two of you trust one another, then you can actually raise kids where it is more enjoyable to be around them than your drunk, selfish friends who never got along with anyone well enough to have enough sex with them in order to procreate.
 
2014-01-13 07:48:42 AM  

jakomo002: I'm 42 with no kids. Every time I go out for drinks with my married-with-kids friends, they're all "Omigod you don't know what you're missing, children are wonderful!".

3 to 4 beers in and I'm a genius , and they'd trade with me in a second. 2 beers later I should thank God for my "freedom".

I like kids, more since I see them rarely, and escape is always possible.


Get yourself fixed.
 
2014-01-13 07:48:55 AM  
I wouldn't trade a second for that feeling of love for my son and daughter. Even when they are shiats.
 
2014-01-13 07:50:44 AM  
I'm in my early 30's so everyone I know is having kids or having their second kid and my wife and I couldn't be happier with our dog and 3 cats. We spend money on whatever we want, we travel with relative ease when we feel like it. Our time is our own. When the wife asked me what I was planning to do yesterday after an hour of running errands, I said I think I'll play videogames on the brand new, top of the line computer I just built for the rest of the day and that's just what I did.
As a matter of fact, I'm contemplating buying a $100 stainless steel growler with a tap cap to keep the beer fresh longer. Why am I bringing this up? Because that's the kind of stupid luxury item that a household with two incomes and no kids can buy. If I had kids, I'd have to buy diapers or school supplies or put it in their college fund.
 
2014-01-13 07:51:11 AM  
I am sorry to hear that Subby's Mom is a whore.
 
2014-01-13 07:51:13 AM  
FTA:
Yet, when asked to rate how happy they were with their lives in general there was a gender divide. Mothers were happier overall than any other group, while childless women were the least happy. By contrast men with children emerged slightly less happy than those without.
 
2014-01-13 07:51:45 AM  
You can tell the age of the submitter simply from of use of the words 'crotch fruit'
 
2014-01-13 07:51:46 AM  
This just in !!!!!!


Parenting is about raising stable, responsible adults.  It's not about being a "happy couple". That's the relationship part that needs to be worked on prior to raising children...............
 
2014-01-13 07:52:38 AM  
So far, it appears that people who have children are stupid and full of resentment and regret, and people who don't are stupid and selfish, and alcoholics.
 
2014-01-13 07:53:04 AM  

Ivandrago: When the wife asked me what I was planning to do yesterday...


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2014-01-13 07:53:47 AM  

gilatrout: I wouldn't trade a second for that feeling of love for my son and daughter. Even when they are shiats.


And we're done here

Subb, once you grow up and leave mommy's basement, you'll realize things are different in the real world
 
2014-01-13 07:54:07 AM  
Was the "Obvious" tag busy driving the kids to soccer practice?
 
2014-01-13 07:54:15 AM  

poe_zlaw: . "...who never got along with anyone well enough to have enough sex with them in order to procreate."


Living up to your Fark handle, I see. Unless you really aren't on speaking terms with logic.
 
2014-01-13 07:54:51 AM  

CarnySaur: So far, it appears that people who have children are stupid and full of resentment and regret, and people who don't are stupid and selfish, and alcoholics.


So everyone's stupid and unhappy? I didn't need a thread on babies to tell me that.
 
2014-01-13 07:54:59 AM  
For centuries, having children has been held up by many as the ultimate source of fulfilment and meaning in life.
However, according to one of the biggest studies ever conducted into Britain's relationships, childless couples have happier marriages.


That's because "meaningful" and "happy" are different concepts, genius.
 
2014-01-13 07:55:18 AM  

jakomo002: I'm 42 with no kids. Every time I go out for drinks with my married-with-kids friends, they're all "Omigod you don't know what you're missing, children are wonderful!".

3 to 4 beers in and I'm a genius , and they'd trade with me in a second. 2 beers later I should thank God for my "freedom".

I like kids, more since I see them rarely, and escape is always possible.


No they wouldn't and they aren't serious. Quit lying to yourself to make yourself feel better
 
2014-01-13 07:55:20 AM  
I was going to have kids, but then like everything else I decided to just let Hispanic immigrants do all the work.
 
2014-01-13 07:55:33 AM  
Some people just don't want kids, maybe it is just as simple as selfishness . And when people with children get snarky and derisive towards those without, it sort of reinforces the notion that they are miserable farks.
 
2014-01-13 07:57:48 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: gilatrout: I wouldn't trade a second for that feeling of love for my son and daughter. Even when they are shiats.

And we're done here

Subb, once you grow up and leave mommy's basement, you'll realize things are different in the real world


Please explain how childless couples don't live in the real world? I'd love to hear it!
Because the real world I apparently don't live in is filled with people who were too selfish to have kids, but did anyway, so I have to come in and give them to the state to take care of.
 
2014-01-13 07:58:03 AM  
Any time someone with children tries to apply pressure on my to join them, all it ever sounds like is, "I suffered,  why aren't you?"

poe_zlaw: If you are a selfish coont, then yes, kids can be a pain and get in the way of your social life


Or, you may have passions that simply can't be balanced with a family. Right now, I'm spending several nights a week dedicated to doing improv. Other nights, I'm working on designing games that I plan to sell. I'm pursuing photography, writing essays, fiction, editing a humor site. And, of course, there's the day job. These are the things I care about, these are the things that give me a sense of satisfaction and fulfillment. They're the reasons I get up in the morning.

I could, potentially, replace them with a child, but that's all they'd be- a replacement for the things that truly excite me.
 
2014-01-13 07:58:11 AM  
I get a kick out of people who consider those who voluntarily remain childless to be "selfish".
 
2014-01-13 07:58:26 AM  
You can find happiness in anything.  Just look at how happy north koreans are...
 
2014-01-13 07:59:33 AM  
I'm so glad others have a desire to perpetuate the species, so I don't have to.
 
2014-01-13 07:59:43 AM  
From now on I'll refer to all my friend's kids as "money-sucking crotch fruit".
 
2014-01-13 08:00:41 AM  
Oh this thread again.

<observation>

Birth to five: "We are the ubergifted parents of the universe and ye without kids are horrible people."
Six to sixteen: "I hate my kids, I hate my spouse, I hate my life, and I especially hate you."

</observation>
 
2014-01-13 08:00:45 AM  
Stoners who play video games all day and have no job are the happiest of all.

I'm working on kid #3, with the wife out of the workforce for 10-12 years. There are certainly sacrifices, but I think I'll be way happier than Subby in 30 years.
 
2014-01-13 08:01:30 AM  
i deal with enough adults who act like children to deal with ones that I'm responsible to keep alive.
 
2014-01-13 08:01:39 AM  

t3knomanser: Any time someone with children tries to apply pressure on my to join them, all it ever sounds like is, "I suffered,  why aren't you?"

poe_zlaw: If you are a selfish coont, then yes, kids can be a pain and get in the way of your social life

Or, you may have passions that simply can't be balanced with a family. Right now, I'm spending several nights a week dedicated to doing improv. Other nights, I'm working on designing games that I plan to sell. I'm pursuing photography, writing essays, fiction, editing a humor site. And, of course, there's the day job. These are the things I care about, these are the things that give me a sense of satisfaction and fulfillment. They're the reasons I get up in the morning.

I could, potentially, replace them with a child, but that's all they'd be- a replacement for the things that truly excite me.


This. Having children replaces the things you want and like to do with a single all-consuming activity.
I hear frequently from my friends who are having kids that they never have time to do what they love anymore.
 
2014-01-13 08:01:48 AM  
Maybe some of us legitimately don't feel enthusiastic about the idea of kids, so we know better than to just go getting knocked up willy-nilly. Why on earth is that a bad thing?
 
2014-01-13 08:02:04 AM  

poe_zlaw: .  jakomo002: I'm 42 with no kids. Every time I go out for drinks with my married-with-kids friends, they're all "Omigod you don't know what you're missing, children are wonderful!".

3 to 4 beers in and I'm a genius , and they'd trade with me in a second. 2 beers later I should thank God for my "freedom".

I like kids, more since I see them rarely, and escape is always possible.

It just depends on what type of person you are. If you are a selfish coont, then yes, kids can be a pain and get in the way of your social life. If you are satisified with your choice of a partner and the two of you are on the same page when it comes to parenting, the two of you trust one another, then you can actually raise kids where it is more enjoyable to be around them than your drunk, selfish friends who never got along with anyone well enough to have enough sex with them in order to procreate.


First off, I love my drunk, selfish friends.  Second, most people have no idea what they're getting into when they have a kid.  They flounder around until they get help or find their way.  If they're stubborn and cruel people, kids don't usually change that but rather become the helpless victims.

If more people thought it through, people would have less kids.
 
2014-01-13 08:02:58 AM  

poe_zlaw: It just depends on what type of person you are.


No, it's more than that.

Any teacher will tell you parents aren't the only people who care about kids. In order to raise them properly, you have to have the right resources and proper expectations. That sounds harder than it is, or 7 billion people wouldn't have done it recently. But the thing that cuts parents* to the bone is the pain of not being able to properly care for their kids. You make a father poor you kill him, even if he's perfectly healthy. Moms are the same. You can be totally selfish and still a good parent if you have the resources to raise the kids properly in your eyes.


*Parents are people who want to do right by their kids. People who don't want to take care of their own kids aren't even human.
 
2014-01-13 08:04:07 AM  
I wonder - is this kind of thing (assuming there is some truth to it) a selective pressure on human evolution?  Are more successful couples not reproducing at a competitive rate?

Meh - maybe.  Oh well.
 
2014-01-13 08:04:21 AM  
My wife and I can't have kids. Are we selfish alcoholics? Yes we are, but I wouldn't say we're happier than our friends who have kids.
 
2014-01-13 08:04:46 AM  

Ivandrago: I'm in my early 30's so everyone I know is having kids or having their second kid and my wife and I couldn't be happier with our dog and 3 cats. We spend money on whatever we want, we travel with relative ease when we feel like it. Our time is our own. When the wife asked me what I was planning to do yesterday after an hour of running errands, I said I think I'll play videogames on the brand new, top of the line computer I just built for the rest of the day and that's just what I did.
As a matter of fact, I'm contemplating buying a $100 stainless steel growler with a tap cap to keep the beer fresh longer. Why am I bringing this up? Because that's the kind of stupid luxury item that a household with two incomes and no kids can buy. If I had kids, I'd have to buy diapers or school supplies or put it in their college fund.


Who's going to buy your diapers when you need them again?
 
2014-01-13 08:04:53 AM  

dpaul007: poe_zlaw: . "...who never got along with anyone well enough to have enough sex with them in order to procreate."

Living up to your Fark handle, I see. Unless you really aren't on speaking terms with logic.


You sound like you visit your parents during the holidays without a partner. For reasons everyone clearly sees but you.
 
2014-01-13 08:05:52 AM  

markfara: I get a kick out of people who consider those who voluntarily remain childless to be "selfish".


I dunno, Mrs. PCoC and I are happily childfree, and freely admit it's because we're selfish. When people ask, "Do you have kids?" I use one of the following responses:

1) "No, we can't have them." Inevitably, the reply is a nosy, "Oh, why not?" "Because we farking hate kids."

2) "No, we're selfish jerks. Besides, do you really think the world needs another PCoC? I rest my case."

3) "No." "Why not?" "Because they wouldn't be as smart as I am, and then what would I do with the little imbeciles?"
 
2014-01-13 08:06:07 AM  
I can't have a kid cause I'd accidentally hurt it or use it as a Halloween prop.
 
2014-01-13 08:06:22 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: jakomo002: I'm 42 with no kids. Every time I go out for drinks with my married-with-kids friends, they're all "Omigod you don't know what you're missing, children are wonderful!".

3 to 4 beers in and I'm a genius , and they'd trade with me in a second. 2 beers later I should thank God for my "freedom".

I like kids, more since I see them rarely, and escape is always possible.

No they wouldn't and they aren't serious. Quit lying to yourself to make yourself feel better


Oh but they are, and I feel fine enough about the choices I've made vis a vis having children.  The times I've wanted kids pale in comparison to the times I'm happy to have none.
 
2014-01-13 08:07:08 AM  

Ivandrago: I'm in my early 30's so everyone I know is having kids or having their second kid and my wife and I couldn't be happier with our dog and 3 cats. We spend money on whatever we want, we travel with relative ease when we feel like it. Our time is our own. When the wife asked me what I was planning to do yesterday after an hour of running errands, I said I think I'll play videogames on the brand new, top of the line computer I just built for the rest of the day and that's just what I did.
As a matter of fact, I'm contemplating buying a $100 stainless steel growler with a tap cap to keep the beer fresh longer. Why am I bringing this up? Because that's the kind of stupid luxury item that a household with two incomes and no kids can buy. If I had kids, I'd have to buy diapers or school supplies or put it in their college fund.


Are you trying to say that you could only afford a top of the line computer and $100 growler because you have two incomes and no kids?

I'm all for having no kids, but that argument sounds a bit preposterous...
 
2014-01-13 08:07:08 AM  
The main issue I see with parents is they go overboard. One child would have sufficed for the parenting experience, but they pop out 3 and are broke, miserable and have zero personal time.

Just have one, for your sanity, your wallet, and and overcrowded planet.
 
2014-01-13 08:07:19 AM  
I have a number of friends who have kids.

Couple A: All about their kids, and balancing jobs - tough to tell if they love each other though.
Couple B: Great career stuff going on, travel a lot - really seem to enjoy each other and their kid.

My wife and I don't have any yet (I'm 31) and aren't intending to for a few more years. She wants to finish grad school and get her first appointment (Methodist pastor).

I run a summer camp/retreat center. I get paid because I'm fantastic with kids, and I look forward to having a few of our own. Partially because I run a summer camp/retreat center and I will have no shortage of babysitters! Admittedly, I don't really want a baby, I just want a kid. Is there a way to skip the 0-3yrs range, without adopting?
 
2014-01-13 08:08:34 AM  
Humans have been having children for millions of years.

Because you shot a load up your wife's cooch and made a baby isn't a farking miracle, it's routine life on earth for a mammal.

So what do you want, a medal?
 
2014-01-13 08:08:37 AM  

poe_zlaw: .  jakomo002: I'm 42 with no kids. Every time I go out for drinks with my married-with-kids friends, they're all "Omigod you don't know what you're missing, children are wonderful!".

3 to 4 beers in and I'm a genius , and they'd trade with me in a second. 2 beers later I should thank God for my "freedom".

I like kids, more since I see them rarely, and escape is always possible.

It just depends on what type of person you are. If you are a selfish coont, then yes, kids can be a pain and get in the way of your social life. If you are satisified with your choice of a partner and the two of you are on the same page when it comes to parenting, the two of you trust one another, then you can actually raise kids where it is more enjoyable to be around them than your drunk, selfish friends who never got along with anyone well enough to have enough sex with them in order to procreate.


How is getting along with someone a prerequisite for procreation?
 
2014-01-13 08:08:44 AM  

Spuddy345: Ivandrago: I'm in my early 30's so everyone I know is having kids or having their second kid and my wife and I couldn't be happier with our dog and 3 cats. We spend money on whatever we want, we travel with relative ease when we feel like it. Our time is our own. When the wife asked me what I was planning to do yesterday after an hour of running errands, I said I think I'll play videogames on the brand new, top of the line computer I just built for the rest of the day and that's just what I did.
As a matter of fact, I'm contemplating buying a $100 stainless steel growler with a tap cap to keep the beer fresh longer. Why am I bringing this up? Because that's the kind of stupid luxury item that a household with two incomes and no kids can buy. If I had kids, I'd have to buy diapers or school supplies or put it in their college fund.

Who's going to buy your diapers when you need them again?


The in-home care nurse I can afford with all the money I've saved from not having to put two kids through college at $150,000 a piece.
 
2014-01-13 08:09:46 AM  

doglover: *Parents are people who want to do right by their kids. People who don't want to take care of their own kids aren't even human.


My ex worked up here in Montreal at Batshaw (Child Protection Services).  Some of her stories about the misery and cruelty people inflict on their kids would make you cry, not to mention horrors of neglect.
 
2014-01-13 08:10:22 AM  

CarnySaur: So far, it appears that people who have children are stupid and full of resentment and regret, and people who don't are stupid and selfish, and alcoholics.


Don't label me. I can have kids AND be an alcoholic!
 
2014-01-13 08:10:51 AM  

t3knomanser: Any time someone with children tries to apply pressure on my to join them, all it ever sounds like is, "I suffered,  why aren't you?"

poe_zlaw: If you are a selfish coont, then yes, kids can be a pain and get in the way of your social life

Or, you may have passions that simply can't be balanced with a family. Right now, I'm spending several nights a week dedicated to doing improv. Other nights, I'm working on designing games that I plan to sell. I'm pursuing photography, writing essays, fiction, editing a humor site. And, of course, there's the day job. These are the things I care about, these are the things that give me a sense of satisfaction and fulfillment. They're the reasons I get up in the morning.

I could, potentially, replace them with a child, but that's all they'd be- a replacement for the things that truly excite me.


You can do both. My parents had hobbies.
 
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