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2014-01-13 01:43:38 AM  
The Albany City Council decided last year to remove the encampments on the Bulb so that the property can be made into part of McLaughlin Eastshore State Park in line with the city's longterm plan for the Bulb.   The city erected a temporary, 30-bed homeless shelter in November next to the Bulb, which has remained a largely unused.

I understand the allure of living in your own community on property you don't own, but only in California would a group of homeless people sue a city for building a homeless shelter.  They are homesteading on city land and seem to be irked that the city is asking them to move.  You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.
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2014-01-13 01:49:15 AM  

Lsherm: You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.


Heh. CSB time:

We have a homeless camp here in Portland on land owned by the father of a kid I went to high school with. It sits on land previously occupied by an adult bookstore he owned. And dealt cocaine out of. Turns out the guy had been in jail multiple times, charged with (but never convicted of) murder and later implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Of course none of us (or our parents) knew this back in the days when we were having sleepovers at his house.

/csb
 
2014-01-13 01:54:48 AM  

fusillade762: Lsherm: You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.

Heh. CSB time:

We have a homeless camp here in Portland on land owned by the father of a kid I went to high school with. It sits on land previously occupied by an adult bookstore he owned. And dealt cocaine out of. Turns out the guy had been in jail multiple times, charged with (but never convicted of) murder and later implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Of course none of us (or our parents) knew this back in the days when we were having sleepovers at his house.

/csb


Well yeah, but as long as that father doesn't kick them off the land, it's all good.  But these people don't have a right to public property if the public has decided they are going to use the land for something other than a homeless camp.
 
2014-01-13 02:20:40 AM  

Lsherm: fusillade762: Lsherm: You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.

Heh. CSB time:

We have a homeless camp here in Portland on land owned by the father of a kid I went to high school with. It sits on land previously occupied by an adult bookstore he owned. And dealt cocaine out of. Turns out the guy had been in jail multiple times, charged with (but never convicted of) murder and later implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Of course none of us (or our parents) knew this back in the days when we were having sleepovers at his house.

/csb

Well yeah, but as long as that father doesn't kick them off the land, it's all good.  But these people don't have a right to public property if the public has decided they are going to use the land for something other than a homeless camp.


That's the thing. The city wants to buy the land so they can move the camp because downtown businesses are complaining. But he's had such a long history with city inspectors and police harassing the bookstore that used to stand there that he's holding out just to fark with them.
 
2014-01-13 02:24:41 AM  

fusillade762: Lsherm: fusillade762: Lsherm: You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.

Heh. CSB time:

We have a homeless camp here in Portland on land owned by the father of a kid I went to high school with. It sits on land previously occupied by an adult bookstore he owned. And dealt cocaine out of. Turns out the guy had been in jail multiple times, charged with (but never convicted of) murder and later implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Of course none of us (or our parents) knew this back in the days when we were having sleepovers at his house.

/csb

Well yeah, but as long as that father doesn't kick them off the land, it's all good.  But these people don't have a right to public property if the public has decided they are going to use the land for something other than a homeless camp.

That's the thing. The city wants to buy the land so they can move the camp because downtown businesses are complaining. But he's had such a long history with city inspectors and police harassing the bookstore that used to stand there that he's holding out just to fark with them.


Well, barring eminent domain, which is among the worst rights abuses America has to offer, he's in the clear.
 
2014-01-13 02:54:46 AM  
But they wasn't stabbin' hobos. They was readin' hobos.
 
2014-01-13 03:02:44 AM  

fusillade762: Lsherm: You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.

Heh. CSB time:

We have a homeless camp here in Portland on land owned by the father of a kid I went to high school with. It sits on land previously occupied by an adult bookstore he owned. And dealt cocaine out of. Turns out the guy had been in jail multiple times, charged with (but never convicted of) murder and later implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Of course none of us (or our parents) knew this back in the days when we were having sleepovers at his house.

/csb


You know what would be awesome? If the Paris Metro were to merge with the Portland MAX and then there could be a stop at that corner, W.Burnside and 4th, and it could be called Bibliotheque des Demunis.

/I thought it was funny
 
2014-01-13 03:04:13 AM  

Lsherm: You know what keeps you from having to move? Owning land.


Even then, eminent domain.
 
2014-01-13 03:04:54 AM  
Albany .. where? I hate these news websites that don't reveal the state.
 
2014-01-13 03:06:28 AM  
Maybe it's just my cynical side, but that fire doesn't sound very accidental. Wouldn't surprise me if somebody was sent to "encourage" the residents of hoboville to clear out so they could make room for a parking lot.
 
2014-01-13 03:15:52 AM  
You know what keeps you from having to move? Owning land.

Even then, eminent domain.


Even then, no...you have to pay taxes..you are just renting the land.......Pretending you own something....bet you believe in the tooth fairy and OJ's innocence too.
 
2014-01-13 03:19:37 AM  
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got nuthin
 
2014-01-13 03:20:03 AM  
Wait, aren't all libraries hobo libraries?
 
2014-01-13 03:32:25 AM  

Halfmast Trousers: Albany .. where? I hate these news websites that don't reveal the state.

Yes, I initially thought it was Albany, NY since I live in Brooklyn (NY that is).  But the pictures and an article stating that there are homes for sale in Albany less than $500,000 didn't sound descriptive of Albany, NY.  Since there were articles about Oakland and Berkeley, my conclusion is that it is Albany, California where the hobo library was burned down.

I can see a need for a library for homeless people. Since many don't work or have much of a home to clean or a TV to watch, probably have a lot of free time to read. And better to read than turn to drugs, alcohol, etc. And there has been a history in a lot of towns where homeless people do not feel welcome going into the town libraries.  Pretty good idea to build a hobo library. Too bad it burned. Hope the group can work out something with the town they can get housing and/or another hobo library.

 
2014-01-13 03:34:37 AM  
The hobos don't have a library anymore. It burned down.
 
2014-01-13 03:37:42 AM  

eldie: I can see a need for a library for homeless people. Since many don't work or have much of a home to clean or a TV to watch, probably have a lot of free time to read. And better to read than turn to drugs, alcohol, etc. And there has been a history in a lot of towns where homeless people do not feel welcome going into the town libraries. Pretty good idea to build a hobo library. Too bad it burned. Hope the group can work out something with the town they can get housing and/or another hobo library.


I have a bunch of crappy books to get rid of and I don't want to donate them to the local library. I'd totally give them to the hobos.
 
2014-01-13 03:40:53 AM  
Hobos can't afford cable!
 
2014-01-13 03:43:49 AM  

Captain James T. Smirk: Wait, aren't all libraries hobo libraries?


Came here to say that.
 
2014-01-13 03:44:48 AM  
If I was homeless and I had a tent and found a nice spot to put it, I'd rather camp than live in some crappy homeless shelter.
 
2014-01-13 03:46:03 AM  

doglover: Lsherm: You know what keeps you from having to move? Owning land.

Even then, eminent domain.


Gotta keep reading down the thread, doglover.
 
2014-01-13 03:47:50 AM  
Judging from the people I see on most trips to the public library, hobo library is redundant.
 
2014-01-13 03:47:58 AM  

Replica: Hobos can't afford cable!


Regular people can't afford cable.
 
2014-01-13 03:52:42 AM  

eldie: Halfmast Trousers: Albany .. where? I hate these news websites that don't reveal the state.

Yes, I initially thought it was Albany, NY since I live in Brooklyn (NY that is).  But the pictures and an article stating that there are homes for sale in Albany less than $500,000 didn't sound descriptive of Albany, NY.  Since there were articles about Oakland and Berkeley, my conclusion is that it is Albany, California where the hobo library was burned down.

I can see a need for a library for homeless people. Since many don't work or have much of a home to clean or a TV to watch, probably have a lot of free time to read. And better to read than turn to drugs, alcohol, etc. And there has been a history in a lot of towns where homeless people do not feel welcome going into the town libraries. Pretty good idea to build a hobo library. Too bad it burned. Hope the group can work out something with the town they can get housing and/or another hobo library.


Could have something to do with bathing in the bathrooms, being drunk and disorderly, and oh, the open masturbating at computers. I swear, computers are great but the internet in libraries should be drastically limited. No porn, no facebook, no gaming.
 
2014-01-13 05:01:07 AM  

Chaide: Maybe it's just my cynical side, but that fire doesn't sound very accidental. Wouldn't surprise me if somebody was sent to "encourage" the residents of hoboville to clear out so they could make room for a parking lot.


There are a lot of people in this country who are very upset about little, poor people getting things they don't deserve, and haven't earned. When big, rich, powerful people get things they didn't earn or deserve, it doesn't seem to bother 'em.
But if some iinsignificant little bum gets a free sammich at their expense, it's rage time.
One such fine local area man probably torched it.
 
2014-01-13 05:50:21 AM  

robohobo: Could have something to do with bathing in the bathrooms, being drunk and disorderly, and oh, the open masturbating at computers. I swear, computers are great but the internet in libraries should be drastically limited. No porn, no facebook, no gaming.


Just out of curiosity, what's your problem with Facebook and gaming?  Library computers exist to offer access to people who for whatever reason (poor, homeless, whatever) don't have their own.  Other than ensuring everyone has a chance to use the library facilities (by time-limiting terminal usage in this case) librarians shouldn't be unduly judging what usage is "necessary" or not.  Otherwise libraries would not carry any books except non-fiction reference titles and the classics.  Nobody "needs" chick lit or vampire erotica any more than they "need" Facebook.

As for pornography, some librarians have resisted blocking even that, on grounds that filter software is generally very badly written and usually by sketchy companies with weird social agendas, and because Freedom.  But I can see an argument for saying "If you are obviously surfing porn here, we will kick you off the computer".
 
2014-01-13 06:02:05 AM  
Do you think the lore of Big Rock Candy Mountain and Fiddler's Green keeps itself?
 
2014-01-13 06:19:24 AM  
Apparently there is a non-hobo library I can go to.
 
2014-01-13 07:10:38 AM  
www.wearysloth.com

Person of interest
 
2014-01-13 07:41:11 AM  
this sucks rocks with jagged teeth and broken braces. i've taken books to that library for years.

what the article fails to mention is that the folks who live on the bulb are mostly artists, and over the last 30 years have turned an old ugly landfill pile into a park full of art, some amazing, some mediocre, and some iconic.

the library was a hidden gem, where conversation happened, books were traded, classes were held. the residents are all pretty amazing folks. nobody begs there, nobody sparechanges on the bulb itself, or anywhere near it. all the encampments are well spaced, and well hidden under the scrub trees, so unless you're looking for someone, all you really see is park. its an off-leash dog park as well.

the real issue is that there are two developers that want to put up ugly-as-shiat poorly constructed condos on the waterfront there, and don't want homeless people in view of their overpriced crap architecture. they've been pulling all kinds of shiat for the last three years, sending kids in to deface the art, randomly cutting down trees and destroying art installations.

well, i now know what i'm doing with the leftover project lumber in the backyard. i can drop it off, and there will be a new library within a week or two, and then i can haul over another case or two of books.
 
2014-01-13 08:22:31 AM  
jam.canoe.ca

Is Shy Pete ok?
 
2014-01-13 08:22:44 AM  

Lsherm: The Albany City Council decided last year to remove the encampments on the Bulb so that the property can be made into part of McLaughlin Eastshore State Park in line with the city's longterm plan for the Bulb.   The city erected a temporary, 30-bed homeless shelter in November next to the Bulb, which has remained a largely unused.

I understand the allure of living in your own community on property you don't own, but only in California would a group of homeless people sue a city for building a homeless shelter.  They are homesteading on city land and seem to be irked that the city is asking them to move.  You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.
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See Newcastle vs New London and get back with me.
 
2014-01-13 08:24:30 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Lsherm: The Albany City Council decided last year to remove the encampments on the Bulb so that the property can be made into part of McLaughlin Eastshore State Park in line with the city's longterm plan for the Bulb.   The city erected a temporary, 30-bed homeless shelter in November next to the Bulb, which has remained a largely unused.

I understand the allure of living in your own community on property you don't own, but only in California would a group of homeless people sue a city for building a homeless shelter.  They are homesteading on city land and seem to be irked that the city is asking them to move.  You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.
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See Newcastle vs New London and get back with me.


Damn phone and stoopid fingers.

Kelo vs New London.
 
2014-01-13 08:27:08 AM  

fusillade762: Lsherm: fusillade762: Lsherm: You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.

Heh. CSB time:

We have a homeless camp here in Portland on land owned by the father of a kid I went to high school with. It sits on land previously occupied by an adult bookstore he owned. And dealt cocaine out of. Turns out the guy had been in jail multiple times, charged with (but never convicted of) murder and later implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Of course none of us (or our parents) knew this back in the days when we were having sleepovers at his house.

/csb

Well yeah, but as long as that father doesn't kick them off the land, it's all good.  But these people don't have a right to public property if the public has decided they are going to use the land for something other than a homeless camp.

That's the thing. The city wants to buy the land so they can move the camp because downtown businesses are complaining. But he's had such a long history with city inspectors and police harassing the bookstore that used to stand there that he's holding out just to fark with them.


Well, I for one am okay with the camp staying right there.  I don't think it's a good idea to scatter the homeless sex offenders.  I would rather know where they are so my kids can avoid them.
 
2014-01-13 08:59:07 AM  

Lsherm: fusillade762: Lsherm: You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.

Heh. CSB time:

We have a homeless camp here in Portland on land owned by the father of a kid I went to high school with. It sits on land previously occupied by an adult bookstore he owned. And dealt cocaine out of. Turns out the guy had been in jail multiple times, charged with (but never convicted of) murder and later implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Of course none of us (or our parents) knew this back in the days when we were having sleepovers at his house.

/csb

Well yeah, but as long as that father doesn't kick them off the land, it's all good.  But these people don't have a right to public property if the public has decided they are going to use the land for something other than a homeless camp.



Wait, you're saying that the hoboes have no right to be on public land, but, when they set themselves up on private property, they're the kings of the realm.
 
2014-01-13 09:20:31 AM  
all libraires are hobo libraiies.
 
2014-01-13 09:29:57 AM  
Truly, the burning of the Great Library of Hobandria is a blot on the history of the West.
 
2014-01-13 09:40:20 AM  
pdxabc.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-13 09:59:20 AM  
Now where will they go to read a tail about a Bunyan come a Paul?
 
2014-01-13 10:02:56 AM  

Ghastly: Now where will they go to read a tail about a Bunyan come a Paul?


Dammit, Bunyan comma Paul. Stupid cell phone.
 
2014-01-13 10:10:43 AM  

zimbomba63: Lsherm: fusillade762: Lsherm: You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.

Heh. CSB time:

We have a homeless camp here in Portland on land owned by the father of a kid I went to high school with. It sits on land previously occupied by an adult bookstore he owned. And dealt cocaine out of. Turns out the guy had been in jail multiple times, charged with (but never convicted of) murder and later implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Of course none of us (or our parents) knew this back in the days when we were having sleepovers at his house.

/csb

Well yeah, but as long as that father doesn't kick them off the land, it's all good.  But these people don't have a right to public property if the public has decided they are going to use the land for something other than a homeless camp.


Wait, you're saying that the hoboes have no right to be on public land, but, when they set themselves up on private property, they're the kings of the realm.


Are you simple? I said as long as they had permission they were ok.
 
2014-01-13 10:43:04 AM  

Lsherm: The Albany City Council decided last year to remove the encampments on the Bulb so that the property can be made into part of McLaughlin Eastshore State Park in line with the city's longterm plan for the Bulb.   The city erected a temporary, 30-bed homeless shelter in November next to the Bulb, which has remained a largely unused.

I understand the allure of living in your own community on property you don't own, but only in California would a group of homeless people sue a city for building a homeless shelter.  They are homesteading on city land and seem to be irked that the city is asking them to move.  You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.
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So your solution for homelessness is for homeless people to buy land and build homes?

Boris Johnson, is that you?
 
2014-01-13 10:46:57 AM  

Hector Remarkable: But they wasn't stabbin' hobos. They was readin' hobos.


Fortunately, nothing of value was lost because each of the hobos has memorized a book.

Don't talk to the crazy cat lady, name of Archer.

She's a Jeffrey Archer novel.

And that guy over there is 50 Shades of Gray. They kicked him of Guantanamo Bay.
 
2014-01-13 12:15:54 PM  
The Years the Culture Burned

Library of Alexandria     48 BC
Library of Alexandria     270 AD
Library of Alexandria     391 AD
Library of Alexandria     642 AD
Albany Bulb                 2014 AD
 
2014-01-13 12:43:54 PM  
Jimbow the Hobo quoted as saying "that's not fair. That's not fair at all. There was time now. Time enough at last!"
 
2014-01-13 01:02:46 PM  

brantgoose: Lsherm: The Albany City Council decided last year to remove the encampments on the Bulb so that the property can be made into part of McLaughlin Eastshore State Park in line with the city's longterm plan for the Bulb.   The city erected a temporary, 30-bed homeless shelter in November next to the Bulb, which has remained a largely unused.

I understand the allure of living in your own community on property you don't own, but only in California would a group of homeless people sue a city for building a homeless shelter.  They are homesteading on city land and seem to be irked that the city is asking them to move.  You know what keeps you from having to move?  Owning land.
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So your solution for homelessness is for homeless people to buy land and build homes?

Boris Johnson, is that you?


Keep in mind the majority of homeless people are mentally ill. Rape and violent attack are common place at shelters plus some of the people with schizophrenia believe homeless shelters are put in place so rich people can harvest their organs and such.
 
2014-01-13 02:26:58 PM  
harvest organs...yaa right
a lot of them just cut out a kidney to prove this
why organ agencies would kill for free organs...oh wait
 
2014-01-13 02:58:08 PM  
I'm pretty sure they just use our libraries. Their bathrooms to be specific.
 
2014-01-13 04:19:19 PM  
The Albany Bulb is a godforsaken spit of land made from the refuse of the bay area. The best thing that ever happened to it was when the homeless began to build a community on it. It has sculpture and other art in addition to the library. I'm saddened that the library is gone.
 
2014-01-13 08:47:57 PM  
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