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(Daily Mail)   If you are a drug dealer living in England, have 22 kids including a bank robber and a murderer, you too could get £1.2m in state benefits   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 76
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2014-01-12 11:56:25 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk
lifestyles of the poor rich and shameless.
 
2014-01-13 12:16:15 AM
Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival


I didn't know England had the south.
 
2014-01-13 12:17:50 AM

Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.


I think England is like Florida, the civilized areas are in the south and the yokels are in the north.
 
2014-01-13 12:27:49 AM
Clearly this single example proves that all government assistance needs to end.
 
2014-01-13 12:54:17 AM

fusillade762: Clearly this single example proves that all government assistance needs to end.


Yep. This career criminal means that all people who are poor and need government assistance are career criminal masterminds.

QED - We need to jail the poor. It'll fix all crime problems.
 
2014-01-13 01:57:18 AM

Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.


1. Why did an 18 year old need a babysitter?
2. Who isn't drunk at carnivals?
 
2014-01-13 02:16:09 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. Why did an 18 year old need a babysitter?


It was his former babysitter. The kid grew up and hunted down his old babysitter.
 
2014-01-13 03:07:05 AM
Wow, that's like 1/1,000,000,000th* of what the wealthy rape society of each year.


*conservative underestimation
 
2014-01-13 03:30:20 AM

some_beer_drinker: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]
lifestyles of the poor rich and shameless.


static.guim.co.uk
approves. can you lend us a quid till i get me dole?
 
2014-01-13 04:06:03 AM
everything else aside, especially since I'm not going to bother reading that article, is submitter/daily fail implying that he shouldn't get state benefits because two of his kids are criminals?

so if i robbed a gas station they should take away my parents social security?
 
2014-01-13 05:14:39 AM
I have pondered the testing and elimination of sociopaths, but since I might be one I hold final judgement.
 
2014-01-13 05:31:00 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.

I think England is like Florida, the civilized areas are in the south and the yokels are in the north.


Haha, that'll raise the ire of the Northerners... when they all wake up, this afternoon, shake off their hangovers and get back from the dole office.

/runs away
 
2014-01-13 05:40:56 AM

wildcardjack: I have pondered the testing and elimination of sociopaths, but since I might be one I hold final judgement.


You need to keep quiet about this, until we have most of FARK on the train and headed to the camps.

Especially those Liters. They get showered first.
 
2014-01-13 05:41:45 AM
Another day, another piece of made up bullshiat from the Daily Fail.
 
xcv
2014-01-13 05:41:57 AM

fusillade762: Clearly this single example proves that all government assistance needs to end.


Can't there be a middle ground? Provide an economic incentive to have a vasectomy, increased benefits, a coupon for a couple half price pints?
 
2014-01-13 05:43:13 AM

Slaxl: Haha, that'll raise the ire of the Northerners... when they all wake up, this afternoon, shake off their hangovers and get back from the dole office.


Bugger off.
 
2014-01-13 05:44:03 AM

log_jammin: everything else aside, especially since I'm not going to bother reading that article, is submitter/daily fail implying that he shouldn't get state benefits because two of his kids are criminals?

so if i robbed a gas station they should take away my parents social security?


Of course not, they're implying that NO ONE should get state benefits because some of the people who do are shady.
 
2014-01-13 06:05:18 AM
This is just the Daily Fail jumping on the bandwagon. One of our TV channels is showing a controversial series called Benefits Street which is essentially poverty porn aimed at the Fail's right-wing readership.
But the truth is that benefit fraud accounts for a tiny percentage of the total social security bill, and represents less than one percent of what the government could recoup if it clamped down on tax avoidance and evasion. It costs the country more every time the RAF flies one of its planes into a mountain, and if the pilot projects successfully that event will get no more than two paragraphs on an inside page.
MPs themselves have been shown to be the worst offenders when it comes to illegally claiming government handouts.
 
2014-01-13 06:09:00 AM

some_beer_drinker: lifestyles of the poor rich and shameless.


Well its a fookin tough economy, innit?
 
2014-01-13 06:10:04 AM
 
2014-01-13 06:18:50 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.

I think England is like Florida, the civilized areas are in the south and the yokels are in the north.


Just like America .
 
2014-01-13 06:21:17 AM
My daddy was a bankrobber

But he never hurt nobody......
 
2014-01-13 06:22:48 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.

I think England is like Florida Korea, the civilized areas are in the south and the yokels are in the north.

 
2014-01-13 06:31:28 AM

fusillade762: Clearly this single example proves that all government assistance needs to end.


It needs to include mandatory birth control.

/You want I should put the clamps to him, Boss?
 
2014-01-13 06:35:20 AM
Soo..two out of 22 kids made it out ok?
 
2014-01-13 06:38:36 AM
log_jammin:
so if i robbed a gas station they should take away my parents social security?

Not at all.. your parents earned the social security.. it was their money all along.  Nothing "free or benefit" about it.
 
2014-01-13 06:41:21 AM
www.theanalysisfactor.com
 
2014-01-13 06:41:50 AM

TrotlineDesigns: your parents earned the social security


how do you know?

I know a person on SS because she's obese.
 
2014-01-13 06:43:41 AM
Soooo 1.2mil over the course of what? 40 years and feeding/clothing 15 children (7 don't know him)? I'm sure that number includes whatever bloated housing subsidy he got for his flat as well.

*math noises*

Okay that's about 67,000 (pounds... not opening charmap) a year which even including housing bennies is pretty extravagant to do nothing and it says he's actually only been out of work for 10 years so even if he was an on again/off again worker before then that number gets inflated to let's say 80,000.

Now I know we are supposed to buy into the whole idea that England is a nation of loafers who live like gods on the back of the poor starving worker class and persecuted upper crust but somehow... SOMEHOW I don't think they pay welfare bums what equates to WELL over $100,000 per year.

That said... for those who allow these types of story whip them up into a right wing frenzy (and believe me I dislike people who actually abuse the system just as much as the herpiest tea derper) then your ire should be directed at the incompetent social workers who allow this type of crap to go on for generations.

So no... you don't get to take examples like this (well real examples of abuse anyway) and attack all poor people who require assistance but DO get to attack another favorite target. The Big Gov Bureaucrat all sitting smug and elitist in their ivory tower handin' out yer hard earned jerb monies to the druggies and blacks.

Go get 'em, boys!
 
2014-01-13 06:46:20 AM
Ahh, starting out the week with a classic poor-shaming thread. Carry on, Fark!
 
2014-01-13 06:51:59 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: 2. Who isn't drunk at carnivals?


Being arrested for drunk and disorderly doesn't mean you were just drunk in public, it usually gets pulled out when someone drunk is harassing someone (or doing something exceptionally stupid, like walking down the middle of a busy road while drunk) but not enough so they can easily be prosecuted for a more serious offense.

It wouldn't normally be considered a big issue or making someone a "criminal" by most people, and it is unlikely it would affect the person much (most employers if informed of it probably wouldn't take any significant notice of it when hiring for example), I guess it would be about in line with being caught speeding - if it happened once, no big deal, if it happens regularly that would be concerning.
 
2014-01-13 06:54:52 AM

wildcardjack: I have pondered the testing and elimination of sociopaths, but since I might be one I hold final judgement.


I hope you are joking. Not even close. If you really were, you'd have no idea--you'd think you were the sanest guy in the world. It's everybody else who has a problem.
 
2014-01-13 07:14:45 AM
here to help: "That said... for those who allow these types of story whip them up into a right wing frenzy"

i guarantee i am to the left of you politically, and though i'm not frenzied, i'm perturbed by lazyass worthless f*cks whether they be chavs or MP's or bankers.
 
x23
2014-01-13 07:33:40 AM
well. i'm convinced. no one anywhere on Earth ever should get any government benefits at all.
 
2014-01-13 07:33:43 AM

HotWingAgenda: God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. Why did an 18 year old need a babysitter?

It was his former babysitter. The kid grew up and hunted down his old babysitter.


There may be another story there.
 
2014-01-13 07:35:19 AM

TheSwissNavy: i guarantee i am to the left of you politically,


I'm curious... what draws you to that conclusion? I'm pretty darned libby.
 
2014-01-13 07:36:31 AM

Animatronik: HotWingAgenda: God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. Why did an 18 year old need a babysitter?

It was his former babysitter. The kid grew up and hunted down his old babysitter.

There may be another story there.


The babysitter ratted out the family for dealing dope.
 
2014-01-13 07:44:42 AM

Animatronik: HotWingAgenda: God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. Why did an 18 year old need a babysitter?

It was his former babysitter. The kid grew up and hunted down his old babysitter.

There may be another story there.


The sitter ratted on them for the drug trafficking
 
2014-01-13 07:50:10 AM
Dad? Why haven't you  returned my calls?
 
2014-01-13 07:54:53 AM
If only they were immigrants the Daily Mail could retire and simply print this one story over and over again every day.
 
2014-01-13 08:07:01 AM

log_jammin: I know a person on SS because she's obese.


Social Security Disability is a separate program from what typically referred to as Social Security.
 
2014-01-13 08:17:17 AM
thought to have cost the taxpayers well over £1million to date


who has time to check for facts when rumors generate more ad clicks.
 
2014-01-13 08:20:44 AM

marcpen: This is just the Daily Fail jumping on the bandwagon. One of our TV channels is showing a controversial series called Benefits Street which is essentially poverty porn aimed at the Fail's right-wing readership.
But the truth is that benefit fraud accounts for a tiny percentage of the total social security bill, and represents less than one percent of what the government could recoup if it clamped down on tax avoidance and evasion. It costs the country more every time the RAF flies one of its planes into a mountain, and if the pilot projects successfully that event will get no more than two paragraphs on an inside page.
MPs themselves have been shown to be the worst offenders when it comes to illegally claiming government handouts.


there's been a ton of complaints about that show. i think it's gonig to get axed

the fail is the last place id look for any assessment of the welfare state
 
2014-01-13 08:27:28 AM

log_jammin: TrotlineDesigns: your parents earned the social security

how do you know?

I know a person on SS because she's obese.


Turning obese takes hard work. A person of average will-power could never pull off maiming him/herself like this: You have to shut off your self-respect and turn into a lazy, inactive gluttoon filled to the brim with fats, sugar and self-entitlement instead of living a healthy life and enjoying physical activities. Therefore a dedicated fatso has earned all the respect that society has in store for such a special lifestyle.
 
2014-01-13 08:30:42 AM

GoldSpider: Ahh, starting out the week with a classic poor-shaming thread. Carry on, Fark!


Absolutely! I agree with Brother Dave Gardner: Don't tax the rich, tax the poor to give them the incentive to become rich.
 
2014-01-13 08:31:21 AM

generallyso: Social Security Disability is a separate program from what typically referred to as Social Security.


no it's not.
 
2014-01-13 08:32:22 AM

Monophtalmos: Turning obese takes hard work. A person of average will-power could never pull off maiming him/herself like this: You have to shut off your self-respect and turn into a lazy, inactive gluttoon filled to the brim with fats, sugar and self-entitlement instead of living a healthy life and enjoying physical activities. Therefore a dedicated fatso has earned all the respect that society has in store for such a special lifestyle.


you got to be hard core, to harden your arteries.
 
2014-01-13 08:33:29 AM
Not that I am, in any way, defending abusers of the welfare system in any country, but... The headline, here and at The Fail, say this guy is a drug dealer. However, the only mention of drugs in the article is that the guy was found guilty of "possession of cannabis" which the paper SAYS was a large amount, but there's nothing in there about any sort of official drug dealing charge. It seems to me that this guy's biggest problem is an inability to keep it in his pants. Bailiff! Whack his peepee!
 
2014-01-13 08:34:07 AM
gluttoon?
 
2014-01-13 08:35:35 AM
Sounds like the Cumbrian version of "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia".

/watched the US version of "Shameless" for the first time last night
//William H. Macy is cuddly and cute compared to the actor who plays Frank in the UK version - yikes!
 
2014-01-13 08:37:35 AM
We should start making gloves out of his babies. I'm sure one of them could feed a family of 4 for at least a week if the fat was rendered and the bones were used for soup.I'm sure that "article" could be more of an editorial hit piece, I'm just not sure how.
 
2014-01-13 08:37:58 AM

GoldSpider: Ahh, starting out the week with a classic poor-shaming thread. Carry on, Fark!



That is why they are called entitlements and not benefits.  Entitlements removes the stigma and shame because the recipients come to realize they are owed a share of what is other people's money based on their mere existence-they are entitled to it.  It is liked the Earned Income Tax Credit.  It is not really earned (no services or goods are provided in exchange for it) so it is not really income but it is less shameful for the recipients by calling it earned instead of welfare.
 
2014-01-13 08:39:30 AM

libranoelrose: gluttoon?


Like a glutton, only wider and more stretched out.
 
2014-01-13 08:40:50 AM
USA! USA! USA!

Now We Know: JPMorgan Chase Is Worse Than Enron

Foreclosure fraud, investor fraud, cheating customers, market manipulation, LIBOR ... and now, the coup de grâce to JPM's tattered reputation: a $2 billion fine for closing its eyes and covering up as Bernie Madoff literally bilked widows and orphans, along with a lot of other families and charities.

fattedgoose-com.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com
 
2014-01-13 08:43:43 AM

generallyso: Another day, another piece of made up bullshiat from the Daily Fail.


Well, since you know the facts in this matter, please elucidate us.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-13 08:45:48 AM

Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.


Lot's of planets have a south.
 
2014-01-13 08:47:29 AM

hardinparamedic: fusillade762: Clearly this single example proves that all government assistance needs to end.

Yep. This career criminal means that all people who are poor and need government assistance are career criminal masterminds.

QED - We need to jail the poor. It'll fix all crime problems.



Quite everyone, the Two Stooges are discussing something!  Please take notes, this is important.
 
2014-01-13 08:47:55 AM
so generous with other peoples money, and no common sense to boot.
 
2014-01-13 08:49:07 AM

Huggermugger: Sounds like the Cumbrian version of "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia".



"you don't have fiestas?Cumberland sausage?"
 
2014-01-13 08:50:20 AM

log_jammin: TrotlineDesigns: your parents earned the social security

how do you know?

I know a person on SS because she's obese.


That's social security disability.. not the same animal and you know it. I would take the time to 'splane it to you but I am sure you already know just trying to play troll baiter
 
2014-01-13 09:05:40 AM

TrotlineDesigns: That's social security disability.


managed by the social security administration. that gives the disabled checks that says "social security" on the front of it.

TrotlineDesigns: just trying to play troll baiter


nope. just pointing out that SS isn't just for people who "earned" it.
 
2014-01-13 09:12:48 AM

generallyso: log_jammin: I know a person on SS because she's obese.

Social Security Disability is a separate program from what typically referred to as Social Security.


you are both wrong,

Social Security Disability Insurance is for people who have contributed to the system but became disabled before ordinary retirement age, their benefit is based on their contribution.

you are thinking of SSI "Supplemental Security Income" which is Welfare, it is around 700-800 a month depending on which state you are in and is for people who are too disabled to have much or any work history and for disabled children. SSI has income limitations
 
2014-01-13 09:13:59 AM
www.voght.org
 
2014-01-13 09:20:58 AM
The real life Frank Gallagher.
 
2014-01-13 09:32:29 AM

marcpen: This is just the Daily Fail jumping on the bandwagon. One of our TV channels is showing a controversial series called Benefits Street which is essentially poverty porn aimed at the Fail's right-wing readership.
But the truth is that benefit fraud accounts for a tiny percentage of the total social security bill, and represents less than one percent of what the government could recoup if it clamped down on tax avoidance and evasion. It costs the country more every time the RAF flies one of its planes into a mountain, and if the pilot projects successfully that event will get no more than two paragraphs on an inside page.
MPs themselves have been shown to be the worst offenders when it comes to illegally claiming government handouts.


==================

The tactic of attacking the entire welfare system as a failure by using one extreme case of fraud was pioneered by Ronald Reagan, who coined the term, "Welfare Queen".    Read the story of Linda Taylor.....it's long but worth it.  This woman was a full blown sociopath, but her story was presented as being typical of people who were on the dole.  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/12/linda _ taylor_welfare_queen_ronald_reagan_made_her_a_notorious_american_villa in.html
 
2014-01-13 09:48:30 AM

Lehk: generallyso: log_jammin: I know a person on SS because she's obese.

Social Security Disability is a separate program from what typically referred to as Social Security.

you are both wrong,

Social Security Disability Insurance is for people who have contributed to the system but became disabled before ordinary retirement age, their benefit is based on their contribution.

you are thinking of SSI "Supplemental Security Income" which is Welfare, it is around 700-800 a month depending on which state you are in and is for people who are too disabled to have much or any work history and for disabled children. SSI has income limitations


ah...ok. i was wrong.
 
2014-01-13 10:21:00 AM
This is a case where the community should come together and make them all 'disappear'

/lynch mobs can still serve a purpose
 
2014-01-13 11:22:05 AM

fusillade762: Clearly this single example proves that all government assistance needs to end.


I didn't see benefits mentioned anywhere in the article, except for the headline. Maybe this is part of a series about this family for some reason.

Found something in the Mirror about it.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/raymond-hull-drug-dealer-dad-30 09 937

British tabloids are weird.

Fark It: I didn't know England had the south.


It's funny, you get one impression of England in the US. Then you get to your hotel, turn on the "tele" and get daytime talk show trash with British accents, and weird call-in/quiz show gambling.

They really are more sensible about using escalators, though.
 
2014-01-13 11:30:17 AM
He's not black or Arab, though, so it's not a big deal.
 
2014-01-13 12:44:19 PM

Greek: Not that I am, in any way, defending abusers of the welfare system in any country, but... The headline, here and at The Fail, say this guy is a drug dealer. However, the only mention of drugs in the article is that the guy was found guilty of "possession of cannabis" which the paper SAYS was a large amount, but there's nothing in there about any sort of official drug dealing charge. It seems to me that this guy's biggest problem is an inability to keep it in his pants. Bailiff! Whack his peepee!


I'm not sure how much he was caught with but doing the conversion on the currency you could probably get a quarter pound of decent stuff where I live for that. He's dealing, but he's not dealing all that much if that was his big arrest.
 
2014-01-13 01:14:27 PM

Lehk: generallyso: log_jammin: I know a person on SS because she's obese.

Social Security Disability is a separate program from what typically referred to as Social Security.

you are both wrong,

Social Security Disability Insurance is for people who have contributed to the system but became disabled before ordinary retirement age, their benefit is based on their contribution.

you are thinking of SSI "Supplemental Security Income" which is Welfare, it is around 700-800 a month depending on which state you are in and is for people who are too disabled to have much or any work history and for disabled children. SSI has income limitations


I happily stand corrected.  My sister born disabled got SSI until she got a job then they cut it off and she was fine with that because she made a lot more money.. the issue was with her health care.

I retired military so get my check until the powers that are decide I can't have it.. Wife started getting her SS check at 62 .. Same rules apply to her as they do my sister.. don't make to much or them gobermentals will take it all back.. She is the editor of our local paper so working under the table isn't an option..
 
2014-01-13 02:44:24 PM
anyone notice the daughter's big rack?
 
2014-01-13 03:50:11 PM
People like this need to be spayed so that we can continue to have a viable welfare state.
 
2014-01-13 04:19:45 PM

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: anyone notice the daughter's big rack?



I bet the dad did.  He seems like a "hell yeah, I'll try anything" type of guy.
 
2014-01-13 04:35:46 PM

happhazzard: People like this need to be spayed so that we can continue to have a viable welfare state.


How many times do we have to tell you to never, ever take anything the Daily Mail says seriously?

oblivion-graphics.com
 
2014-01-13 05:19:51 PM

Lehk: generallyso: log_jammin: I know a person on SS because she's obese.

Social Security Disability is a separate program from what typically referred to as Social Security.

you are both wrong,

Social Security Disability Insurance is for people who have contributed to the system but became disabled before ordinary retirement age, their benefit is based on their contribution.

you are thinking of SSI "Supplemental Security Income" which is Welfare, it is around 700-800 a month depending on which state you are in and is for people who are too disabled to have much or any work history and for disabled children. SSI has income limitations


No.. we aren't both wrong.. Jackie Treehorn would have more respect for those that .. well.. most of you kids wouldn't get the reference.. but fact is my legless sister gets a huge 370 dollars per month.. she got a job that paid more so now she gets nothing.. Thanks Obama because Bush made sure she could survive on her own.
 
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