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(Daily Mail)   If you are a drug dealer living in England, have 22 kids including a bank robber and a murderer, you too could get £1.2m in state benefits   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 76
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2014-01-12 11:56:25 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk
lifestyles of the poor rich and shameless.
 
2014-01-13 12:16:15 AM
Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival


I didn't know England had the south.
 
2014-01-13 12:17:50 AM

Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.


I think England is like Florida, the civilized areas are in the south and the yokels are in the north.
 
2014-01-13 12:27:49 AM
Clearly this single example proves that all government assistance needs to end.
 
2014-01-13 12:54:17 AM

fusillade762: Clearly this single example proves that all government assistance needs to end.


Yep. This career criminal means that all people who are poor and need government assistance are career criminal masterminds.

QED - We need to jail the poor. It'll fix all crime problems.
 
2014-01-13 01:57:18 AM

Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.


1. Why did an 18 year old need a babysitter?
2. Who isn't drunk at carnivals?
 
2014-01-13 02:16:09 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. Why did an 18 year old need a babysitter?


It was his former babysitter. The kid grew up and hunted down his old babysitter.
 
2014-01-13 03:07:05 AM
Wow, that's like 1/1,000,000,000th* of what the wealthy rape society of each year.


*conservative underestimation
 
2014-01-13 03:30:20 AM

some_beer_drinker: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]
lifestyles of the poor rich and shameless.


static.guim.co.uk
approves. can you lend us a quid till i get me dole?
 
2014-01-13 04:06:03 AM
everything else aside, especially since I'm not going to bother reading that article, is submitter/daily fail implying that he shouldn't get state benefits because two of his kids are criminals?

so if i robbed a gas station they should take away my parents social security?
 
2014-01-13 05:14:39 AM
I have pondered the testing and elimination of sociopaths, but since I might be one I hold final judgement.
 
2014-01-13 05:31:00 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.

I think England is like Florida, the civilized areas are in the south and the yokels are in the north.


Haha, that'll raise the ire of the Northerners... when they all wake up, this afternoon, shake off their hangovers and get back from the dole office.

/runs away
 
2014-01-13 05:40:56 AM

wildcardjack: I have pondered the testing and elimination of sociopaths, but since I might be one I hold final judgement.


You need to keep quiet about this, until we have most of FARK on the train and headed to the camps.

Especially those Liters. They get showered first.
 
2014-01-13 05:41:45 AM
Another day, another piece of made up bullshiat from the Daily Fail.
 
xcv
2014-01-13 05:41:57 AM

fusillade762: Clearly this single example proves that all government assistance needs to end.


Can't there be a middle ground? Provide an economic incentive to have a vasectomy, increased benefits, a coupon for a couple half price pints?
 
2014-01-13 05:43:13 AM

Slaxl: Haha, that'll raise the ire of the Northerners... when they all wake up, this afternoon, shake off their hangovers and get back from the dole office.


Bugger off.
 
2014-01-13 05:44:03 AM

log_jammin: everything else aside, especially since I'm not going to bother reading that article, is submitter/daily fail implying that he shouldn't get state benefits because two of his kids are criminals?

so if i robbed a gas station they should take away my parents social security?


Of course not, they're implying that NO ONE should get state benefits because some of the people who do are shady.
 
2014-01-13 06:05:18 AM
This is just the Daily Fail jumping on the bandwagon. One of our TV channels is showing a controversial series called Benefits Street which is essentially poverty porn aimed at the Fail's right-wing readership.
But the truth is that benefit fraud accounts for a tiny percentage of the total social security bill, and represents less than one percent of what the government could recoup if it clamped down on tax avoidance and evasion. It costs the country more every time the RAF flies one of its planes into a mountain, and if the pilot projects successfully that event will get no more than two paragraphs on an inside page.
MPs themselves have been shown to be the worst offenders when it comes to illegally claiming government handouts.
 
2014-01-13 06:09:00 AM

some_beer_drinker: lifestyles of the poor rich and shameless.


Well its a fookin tough economy, innit?
 
2014-01-13 06:10:04 AM
 
2014-01-13 06:18:50 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.

I think England is like Florida, the civilized areas are in the south and the yokels are in the north.


Just like America .
 
2014-01-13 06:21:17 AM
My daddy was a bankrobber

But he never hurt nobody......
 
2014-01-13 06:22:48 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Fark It: Adrian, one of his sons, was 18 years old when he killed his babysitter
His daughter, Rianna, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at a village carnival

I didn't know England had the south.

I think England is like Florida Korea, the civilized areas are in the south and the yokels are in the north.

 
2014-01-13 06:31:28 AM

fusillade762: Clearly this single example proves that all government assistance needs to end.


It needs to include mandatory birth control.

/You want I should put the clamps to him, Boss?
 
2014-01-13 06:35:20 AM
Soo..two out of 22 kids made it out ok?
 
2014-01-13 06:38:36 AM
log_jammin:
so if i robbed a gas station they should take away my parents social security?

Not at all.. your parents earned the social security.. it was their money all along.  Nothing "free or benefit" about it.
 
2014-01-13 06:41:21 AM
www.theanalysisfactor.com
 
2014-01-13 06:41:50 AM

TrotlineDesigns: your parents earned the social security


how do you know?

I know a person on SS because she's obese.
 
2014-01-13 06:43:41 AM
Soooo 1.2mil over the course of what? 40 years and feeding/clothing 15 children (7 don't know him)? I'm sure that number includes whatever bloated housing subsidy he got for his flat as well.

*math noises*

Okay that's about 67,000 (pounds... not opening charmap) a year which even including housing bennies is pretty extravagant to do nothing and it says he's actually only been out of work for 10 years so even if he was an on again/off again worker before then that number gets inflated to let's say 80,000.

Now I know we are supposed to buy into the whole idea that England is a nation of loafers who live like gods on the back of the poor starving worker class and persecuted upper crust but somehow... SOMEHOW I don't think they pay welfare bums what equates to WELL over $100,000 per year.

That said... for those who allow these types of story whip them up into a right wing frenzy (and believe me I dislike people who actually abuse the system just as much as the herpiest tea derper) then your ire should be directed at the incompetent social workers who allow this type of crap to go on for generations.

So no... you don't get to take examples like this (well real examples of abuse anyway) and attack all poor people who require assistance but DO get to attack another favorite target. The Big Gov Bureaucrat all sitting smug and elitist in their ivory tower handin' out yer hard earned jerb monies to the druggies and blacks.

Go get 'em, boys!
 
2014-01-13 06:46:20 AM
Ahh, starting out the week with a classic poor-shaming thread. Carry on, Fark!
 
2014-01-13 06:51:59 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: 2. Who isn't drunk at carnivals?


Being arrested for drunk and disorderly doesn't mean you were just drunk in public, it usually gets pulled out when someone drunk is harassing someone (or doing something exceptionally stupid, like walking down the middle of a busy road while drunk) but not enough so they can easily be prosecuted for a more serious offense.

It wouldn't normally be considered a big issue or making someone a "criminal" by most people, and it is unlikely it would affect the person much (most employers if informed of it probably wouldn't take any significant notice of it when hiring for example), I guess it would be about in line with being caught speeding - if it happened once, no big deal, if it happens regularly that would be concerning.
 
2014-01-13 06:54:52 AM

wildcardjack: I have pondered the testing and elimination of sociopaths, but since I might be one I hold final judgement.


I hope you are joking. Not even close. If you really were, you'd have no idea--you'd think you were the sanest guy in the world. It's everybody else who has a problem.
 
2014-01-13 07:14:45 AM
here to help: "That said... for those who allow these types of story whip them up into a right wing frenzy"

i guarantee i am to the left of you politically, and though i'm not frenzied, i'm perturbed by lazyass worthless f*cks whether they be chavs or MP's or bankers.
 
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2014-01-13 07:33:40 AM
well. i'm convinced. no one anywhere on Earth ever should get any government benefits at all.
 
2014-01-13 07:33:43 AM

HotWingAgenda: God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. Why did an 18 year old need a babysitter?

It was his former babysitter. The kid grew up and hunted down his old babysitter.


There may be another story there.
 
2014-01-13 07:35:19 AM

TheSwissNavy: i guarantee i am to the left of you politically,


I'm curious... what draws you to that conclusion? I'm pretty darned libby.
 
2014-01-13 07:36:31 AM

Animatronik: HotWingAgenda: God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. Why did an 18 year old need a babysitter?

It was his former babysitter. The kid grew up and hunted down his old babysitter.

There may be another story there.


The babysitter ratted out the family for dealing dope.
 
2014-01-13 07:44:42 AM

Animatronik: HotWingAgenda: God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. Why did an 18 year old need a babysitter?

It was his former babysitter. The kid grew up and hunted down his old babysitter.

There may be another story there.


The sitter ratted on them for the drug trafficking
 
2014-01-13 07:50:10 AM
Dad? Why haven't you  returned my calls?
 
2014-01-13 07:54:53 AM
If only they were immigrants the Daily Mail could retire and simply print this one story over and over again every day.
 
2014-01-13 08:07:01 AM

log_jammin: I know a person on SS because she's obese.


Social Security Disability is a separate program from what typically referred to as Social Security.
 
2014-01-13 08:17:17 AM
thought to have cost the taxpayers well over £1million to date


who has time to check for facts when rumors generate more ad clicks.
 
2014-01-13 08:20:44 AM

marcpen: This is just the Daily Fail jumping on the bandwagon. One of our TV channels is showing a controversial series called Benefits Street which is essentially poverty porn aimed at the Fail's right-wing readership.
But the truth is that benefit fraud accounts for a tiny percentage of the total social security bill, and represents less than one percent of what the government could recoup if it clamped down on tax avoidance and evasion. It costs the country more every time the RAF flies one of its planes into a mountain, and if the pilot projects successfully that event will get no more than two paragraphs on an inside page.
MPs themselves have been shown to be the worst offenders when it comes to illegally claiming government handouts.


there's been a ton of complaints about that show. i think it's gonig to get axed

the fail is the last place id look for any assessment of the welfare state
 
2014-01-13 08:27:28 AM

log_jammin: TrotlineDesigns: your parents earned the social security

how do you know?

I know a person on SS because she's obese.


Turning obese takes hard work. A person of average will-power could never pull off maiming him/herself like this: You have to shut off your self-respect and turn into a lazy, inactive gluttoon filled to the brim with fats, sugar and self-entitlement instead of living a healthy life and enjoying physical activities. Therefore a dedicated fatso has earned all the respect that society has in store for such a special lifestyle.
 
2014-01-13 08:30:42 AM

GoldSpider: Ahh, starting out the week with a classic poor-shaming thread. Carry on, Fark!


Absolutely! I agree with Brother Dave Gardner: Don't tax the rich, tax the poor to give them the incentive to become rich.
 
2014-01-13 08:31:21 AM

generallyso: Social Security Disability is a separate program from what typically referred to as Social Security.


no it's not.
 
2014-01-13 08:32:22 AM

Monophtalmos: Turning obese takes hard work. A person of average will-power could never pull off maiming him/herself like this: You have to shut off your self-respect and turn into a lazy, inactive gluttoon filled to the brim with fats, sugar and self-entitlement instead of living a healthy life and enjoying physical activities. Therefore a dedicated fatso has earned all the respect that society has in store for such a special lifestyle.


you got to be hard core, to harden your arteries.
 
2014-01-13 08:33:29 AM
Not that I am, in any way, defending abusers of the welfare system in any country, but... The headline, here and at The Fail, say this guy is a drug dealer. However, the only mention of drugs in the article is that the guy was found guilty of "possession of cannabis" which the paper SAYS was a large amount, but there's nothing in there about any sort of official drug dealing charge. It seems to me that this guy's biggest problem is an inability to keep it in his pants. Bailiff! Whack his peepee!
 
2014-01-13 08:34:07 AM
gluttoon?
 
2014-01-13 08:35:35 AM
Sounds like the Cumbrian version of "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia".

/watched the US version of "Shameless" for the first time last night
//William H. Macy is cuddly and cute compared to the actor who plays Frank in the UK version - yikes!
 
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